April 10

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 10, 2014.

Srpsko Sarajevo

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The result of the discussion was keep. Number 57 17:19, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(I've stricken votes that were made by sockpuppets of the same account and have been indefinitely blocked.) CodeCat (talk) 14:40, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I agree with that wholeheartedly. Something is only offensive if it meant to be, and anyway WP:NOTCENSORED. There are terms I don't like to hear used but I have to put up with them. Si Trew (talk) 21:49, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If people reading the English-language Wikipedia use this term it should stay, if not, it should go: my stats show it was viewed a maximum 8-10 times a week which is a bit borderline (I have written articles that have had far fewer) but that the stats since this discussion opened, when you'd expect them to increase by this discussion itself, are actually about 2-4 a week. The reason I recommended Delete, below, which I posted before this reply, is simply that I think it is an unlikely search term.
If it helps people find the article it should stay. If it hinders them, it should go. That's all there is to it. Si Trew (talk) 21:29, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Si Trew, I was checking that link (possibly more than you mentioned). I really doubt someone is getting to this link to read actually about real article. That's my opinion anyway, but I was checking link. There are big numbers because of me :D --Lighthouse01 (talk) 18:11, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, we only delete foreign-language redirects when the language is unrelated to the subject. That's not the case here. Compare to Deutschland, Москва, etc. --BDD (talk) 18:40, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think so. People will find, entering new name, relevant article with old name in its text and we won't have any trouble regards finding info. Anyway, article with this name has not good popularity, Istočno Sarajevo is more likely search term. But even more East Sarajevo because of English public. --Lighthouse01 (talk) 22:54, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
They will find the article entering the new name if they know the new name. If all they have heard if the old name they won't find it. How can having a redirect be hateful but having the same name in the article not? GB fan 23:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well there was a reason to change name: you can read it here. But I have nothing against mentioning old name in new article because people should know its' history. And they can easily find the article entering old name in Google. Right? --Lighthouse01 (talk) 08:55, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And just to say, If I was able to remove Srpsko prefix, I'd remove that from all the world. Why? Because, imagine this: Russia attacks America, takes about 50% territory, and rename Eastern Part of Town (i.e. Washington): Russian Washington. Or any other country. But using the worst crimes against civilians. How about that? --Lighthouse01 (talk) 09:00, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The situation would be the same, I'm sure. Compare to, say, redirect Nazi Croatia or Vichy France itself. I'm sure many Croatian and French people are ashamed of those periods in their countries' histories, but a redirect isn't an endorsement of such things. It's merely reflecting a historical reality. --BDD (talk) 20:02, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. And try looking at the edit history of Pressburg or Poszony or Pozsony (a misspelling) or Bratislava. Are those supposed to go? Historical names have their place. Si Trew (talk) 21:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What about Leningrad, Stalingrad, Petrograd? Si Trew (talk) 07:16, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is a likely search term, the article says "It was previously known as Srpsko Sarajevo" GB fan 20:30, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well maybe we could keep "Serb Sarajevo", but "Srpsko" for English native speakers is uncommon. --WikiLite91 (talk) 20:18, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Nobody on an English keyboard will be able to type the thing above the C (I forget what they are called, but the diacritical mark above the C) so in that sense the redirect is helpful. But Istocno Sarajevo exists as a redirect and is rightly tagged as ((R from title without diacritics)). The article itself could use some cleanup since the English grammar is a bit out of whack, but that's a separate matter (and I am happy to do that after we reach consensus). A very good friend of mine who is Serbian and I think born in Sarajevo can possibly help me find the facts, do a bit of translation and so forth, and we can scrub the article up a bit: but here we are discussing not the article but the redirect. "Srpsko" would seem very uncommon for an English speaker to type.
However, I also note there are no Interwiki links, so my pure guess is the majority of searches are by English-speaking Serbians/Serbs. Si Trew (talk) 08:54, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Subfamily Velociraptorinae

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The result of the discussion was delete Number 57 17:25, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant title: Velociraptorinae is a subfamily. It is arbitrary and potentially confusing to have Subfamily Velociraptorinae appear as a search topic out of the untold number of biological subfamilies. --Animalparty-- (talk) 08:38, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This page is entitled Redirects for discussion, not articles for deletion, so we are discussing redirects. It is fallacious and unrealistic to think that somebody searching for "Subfamily" will be necessarily looking for anything relating to Velociraptors (why not "Subfamily Ponerinae", "Subfamily Apocynoideae", etc...?). Yet when typing Subfamily into the search bar, Velociraptors come up twice as matching terms, which, whether an intentional way to increase page views, or simply the result of an over-enthusiastic bout of redirect creation, is arbitrarily spotlighting one group out of the countless numbers of biological subfamilies. A search for articles containing "Subfamily Velociraptorinae" yields the intended article as the first hit, so there is no hindering location of the article. Unless someone proposes to create a "Subfamily X" for every subfamily (again, redundant, superfluous, and not recommended), there is no need to have this one.--Animalparty-- (talk) 20:31, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Commment I get from Special:Search ust for the term "Subfamily" as well as the one listed:
  • Subfamily Velociraptorini (which is a redirect to Velociraptorinae]]
  • Deinonychus just where it is mentioned as being younger biologically where it says it is part of the subfamily
  • Eudromaeosauria where it says it is part of the subfamily
  • Dromaeosauroides where it says it is art of the subfamily
  • Microraptoria where it says they are expressly coined without the subfamily prefix.
And others of course which are not so relevant. But since those articles call it a subfamily, perhaps in the end it should stay. It might be wrong if you were Carolus Linnaeus who after all had a rather odd naming scheme and was a bit sex-obsessed so that orchids mean testes and so on, but is it a likely search term? To me it would seem unlikely someone would go to the trouble of typing in "subfamily", but I am no expert. Si Trew (talk) 21:02, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Reply. I'm not arguing that Velociraptorinae is not the name of a subfamily (indeed it is), and Linnaeus has nothing to do with the point of the Rfd. I am saying this is a singularly redundant and unlikely search term that gives the impression this one subfamily is somehow unique and distinct from every other biological subfamily, when all are subfamilies are simply names (N.b, over 31,000 articles mention "subfamily"). Should there be a redirect for Country Uganda?, Person Elton John? Name John Smith? Species Homo sapiens? If someone were to search for the subfamily that humans belong to (Homininae, arguably a more likely search than a dinosaur group), by the search term "Subfamily Homininae" the intended target is first in the results without the need for a redirect. And the same is true for Subfamily Velociraptorinae. (Subfamily Velociraptorini, on the other hand, is incorrect in nomenclature, and its Rfd is dealt with here.) --Animalparty-- (talk) 17:31, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I entirely agree. Just throwing in "subfamily" for me the first that came up were these, and exactly by your argument I am not sure someone would want to have a subfamily of velociraptors instead of a subfamily of bears (Ursa minor ) or example or a subfamily of caterpillers or whatever. I entirely agree with you just saying what I found at the top of my search. Surely Subfamily Velociraptorini should ho as well then? Si Trew (talk) 05:52, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:R from character

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The result of the discussion was Move to Template:R from fictional character. Number 57 17:18, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is misleading, because there are character names that will be used as redirects to places other than actual character lists (i.e., an article on the work itself). There are some current uses, which will need to be updated; some may be erroneous usages stemming from this confusion. BDD (talk) 23:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it is meant to mean R from character to list entry ([from] Char[acter] R to list entry) which would be both from and to... and nonstandard. —PC-XT+ 06:57, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That would be my preferred solution too. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:03, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
CharR is redundant to this template (before it was a redirect) and ((R to list entry)), but is used so much as a specialized template, it was retained and one of the general ones redirected to it. That doesn't make sense to me. —PC-XT+ 07:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Perhaps I should clarify what I want here. I would also be fine with ((R from character)) being restored as its own tag. ((CharR to list entry)) would be a more specific version of the tag. The former could populate a Category:Fictional character redirects. Is that doable? This would preserve the granularity of CharR. Or we could just reverse the redirect, as previously suggested.
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Comment No no, the templates are hard enough for a gnome to find in the first place, and ((R from)) and ((R to)) at least give some chance. BDD, you seem a dab hand at searching stuff, or rather finding it, but I find it an eternal struggle, don't make it harder please! Si Trew (talk) 23:48, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hm? I want ((R from character)) to exist one way or another. And I'll probably propose an RM to move CharR to ((R to character list entry)) for clarity and consistency. Best to let this resolve first, though, in case the latter becomes a redirect itself. --BDD (talk) 00:06, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that all makes sense. Perhaps I misinterpreted what you wrote above. Sorry about that, fully support that proposition. Si Trew (talk) 08:13, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Acontias (synonym)

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:23, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What is the point of a redirect like this? The background to this (and many other "Foo (synonym)" redirects) can be found at Category:Set indices on snakes which includes "Category tags are no longer allowed on disambiguation pages, so these ... "(synonym)" redirects have been created to carry them instead.". DexDor (talk) 21:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

These, and the explanation quoted above, appear to be the idiosyncratic creations of Jwinius (note: stopped editing the project in 2011) for his own use. In a discussion at his talk page in 2008, he wrote that, following some interminable discussion that I can't find (probably at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles) that didn't go his way, he came up with a way to keep track those disambiguation pages that are not only about snakes by creating a whole series of new redirects for them that I can track. I've pinged the project to see if someone can offer an opinion on whether they're useful. — Scott talk 22:33, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Most of these "(synonym)" redirects I've looked aren't synonyms at all. They're homonyms. I don't think there's much value in creating redirects for homonyms, but it's not appropriate at all to have them as "(synonym)" redirects, and having them redirect to a dab is useless. The best way to disambiguate the homonyms from a taxonomic perspective would be with author citation, e.g. Acontias Troost, 1836 (which would redirect to Agkistrodon). I don't think there's a lot of value in the associated DABs either, but I took a stab at making sense of Acontias (disambiguation) (with this diff), which I hope might clarify what Jwinius seems to have been attempting. Obscure homonyms can be handled just fine in the taxobox of the relevant article, making dabs and redirects isn't very useful. Plantdrew (talk) 02:10, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion that Scott's looking for may be this[1] which ended with "[Jwinius]'s objections about people futzing with pages constructed according to practices that are rather persnickety and completely undocumented and so far as I can tell idiosyncratic to [Jwinius] seem rather unrealistic.". For the record, I don't agree with the suggestion in that discussion that SIAs be used to get round the rules on dab pages as (now) dabs have the advantage that inlinks get flagged up and fixed. DexDor (talk) 05:18, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for finding that. Also - "idiosyncratic"! Aw yeah, I totally called it. — Scott talk 13:54, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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CAT:File mover

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. --BDD (talk) 18:03, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CNR that isnt using uppercase per WP:Shortcut. The target already has two shortcuts: CAT:RF and CAT:RENAME. John Vandenberg (chat) 17:47, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't say, but if it was created less than a year ago, there appears to be some interest in it. --BDD (talk) 23:14, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. --BDD (talk) 18:03, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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T:N

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CNR with less than 10 hits per month. John Vandenberg (chat) 17:23, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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T:FAUNA

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FAUNA was repurposed by user:SMcCandlish to be about something about the real fauna. Likewise this template redirect should IMO point to something about the real fauna, or be deleted. John Vandenberg (chat) 17:10, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Gornisht

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(1) Target article (Gornisht Yiddish Yinglish) makes no mention of the term "gornisht". (2) "Gornisht"/"garnisht" (גאָרנישט) is standard Yiddish, an adverb meaning "(not) at all" (see Weinreich, Uriel (1977) [1968]. Modern English-Yiddish Yiddish-English Dictionary (First Schocken ed.). New York: Schocken Books. p. 682. ISBN 0-8052-0575-6.) Peter Chastain [habla, por favor] 17:53, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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T:RFPP

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:26, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CNR that receives < 10 pageviews per month - often 0 or 1 pageviews per month. John Vandenberg (chat) 17:04, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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T:WPMA

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Dr. Qamar Tabish

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:27, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in Sialkot Elassint Hi 16:38, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Mark Pauly

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete as G7 (IIO was creator). --BDD (talk) 18:04, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As a Wharton School professor and well-known figure in health care economics, Pauly probably deserves his own article. He's been called "father of the individual mandate" and is quoted once at the target page, but it's misleading to suggest the ACA is his primary claim to notability. Indeed, he had no direct role in its creation. BDD (talk) 16:37, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Anthroposkentron

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. See #Άνθρωποςκέντρον. Also, it is transliterated. Wikipedia doesn’t need transliterations of random foreign words. Gorobay (talk) 14:19, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Άνθρωποςκέντρον

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:29, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not especially Greek, and this isn’t even a real Greek word. Greek doesn’t form compounds by shoving two roots together like that. Gorobay (talk) 14:15, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Gorobay. The target word is 19th Century New Latin neologism (if you can call a two hundred year old word a neologism), according to Merriam-Webster. We don't usually have Rs from foreign languages unless they are related. If this is not used in either modern Greek or classical Greek there is no point in having it. I can't see it on the Hellenic/Greek WP via the Interwiki links. On the other hand, I did find this about Greek declensions, written in Spanish, which mentions how this is formed and my Spanish is not great but I think it says it would be the genitive. There's also a link here at factolex.com to it but I am guessing that is just a copy from Wikipedia or Wiktionary? Looking at their "about" stuff it says first "It's like Wikipedia, but we use short facts instead of extended articles, all our facts are referenced". But that doesn't help if someone has in fact inserted the thing by copying it from Wikipedia and deleting context (I am not sure they have, it could be the other way around, but the argument runs in circles either clockwise or widdershins). Si Trew (talk) 14:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It’s not genitive. It’s two lemmas concatenated by someone who doesn’t know Greek. Gorobay (talk) 15:24, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I never said it was genitive. I said what I thought that Spanish article said it was. Either I have not read that article properly (my Spanish is not brilliant, as I said) or that article is wrong. Either way, there is no point using it in support. Si Trew (talk) 04:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. John Vandenberg (chat) 17:14, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Άντρο

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The result of the discussion was delete. As potent as it may be for ants, the average human would need to drink copious amounts of ant rum to become intoxicated. --BDD (talk) 04:32, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not especially Greek. Gorobay (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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