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For or Oppose? Dudtz 8/25/05 5:29 PM EST
For or Oppose? VermillionBird 22:55, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
The article currently states: "A BB gun is a pneumatic gun usually powered by compressed gas, electric revolution, or a spring." First off, if the BB is fired by electric revolution or a spring, it's not pneumatic, is it? Secondly, I could use a little clarification on "electric revolution". Does that mean the BB is spun around inside a disk-shaped cylinder and fired via centrifugal force? I think those two points could be improved in the article. KarlBunker 15:47, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
What are the dimensions of the CO2 cartridges?--SeanMon 21:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
The article previously contained way to much information, much of it completely irrelevant or downright wrong. I replaced this with historical information from the Daisy Museum website, plus personal experience with Daisy and Crosman BB guns. For the purpose of the article, I have restricted "BB gun" to mean an airgun with a BB sized bore, i.e. .175-180 inches, and intended to or capable of firing spherical steel shot. This implies a smoothbore barrel, or an oversized rifled barrel with a mechanism for retaining the steel BBs. The PCP big bore airguns from Korea don't fit the definition, nor does the Lewis and Clark gun. Those are air rifles, not BB guns.
Operating mechanisms are covered in air gun, which is a superset of BB guns, so I think details can be left for that article; I breifly mention the types of actions used on common airguns on the market now. The "spring rod" type of action described is just crap--the only way direct action works is when the projectile is MUCH heavier than the connector, such as with bows. Any direct action BB projector is a toy, not a BB gun. Legal issues are the same; BB guns are a subset of air guns, the only reasons BB guns would be more or less legal is due to power and operating mechanism issues.
If anyone feels I have removed too much, feel free to grab the data from the previous edit and add it back into the article, along with a justification, please. I'm going to think about ways to source some of my generalizations about BB guns, such as dual-use pneumatics, CO2 pistols, and spring piston guns. Probably the best way to back that up would be to provide examples of commonly available BB guns in each category, maybe in a chart. scot 18:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
The pellets cannot be classed as 'Ammunition' for obvious reasons: they dont use any muntion- no explosive shot system. Jonomacdrones 18:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
IMHO we should add a better picture sonoricercatore 11:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I've been shot close blank with a BB Gun and it did not penetrate my skin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.4.231 (talk) 07:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I vaguely remember watching TV shows from the 60's (in reruns in the 80's) where a child's first experience with death was accidentally-on-purpose killing or wounding a small animal (usually a bird) with a BB gun. Does anyone have specific examples? --75.161.84.72 15:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The only film I recall having a BB gun as a central plot element was A Christmas Story. I think if you can find the name of the movie you're thinking of, as well as a few other examples of BB guns playing important roles in the arts, I'd support adding another section. Daler (talk) 08:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I recall from decades ago at a movie theater at Chanute AFB, Illinois, back in 1979, a Japanese,English-dubbed movie about a little boy (glasses, small, bully-bait) and a little girl who see another boy bring down a bird with a BB gun. The littler boy fights the older boy with the gun taking it from him, swinging it by the barrel, and breaking it on the ground while the little girl cries over the dead bird. Later on there is a scene of many birds flying as the little girl yells, "They're alive!" They're alive!. Yeah I didn't undestand it back when I first saw it either. Greenbomb101 (talk) 20:51, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Teenagers and yobs often use BB guns as fun, but if you are confronted by a teenager threatening to fire contact the police or run. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.160.145 (talk) 12:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
its usally plastic bbs isnt it ive never seen steel or copper Luke12345abcd (talk) 19:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
The second external link to everything2.com about BB gun fights is pretty darn offensive. Can we replace it with a link that's more about BB gun fights, or provide a warning about the link and it's potentially offensive nature? Haqrefpber (talk) 15:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
According to the lede, the balls used measure 0.171 to 0.173 inches in diameter, but in several spots in the article it is apparently assumed that they have a diameter of 0.177 inches ("standard 0.177 lead pellet" – what is standard about it?; "A 0.177 projectile fired above 350 ft/s ..."; "Air gun pellets of the correct diameter, .177 caliber, (4.5 mm) ...", "Note: 0.177-inch diam: 0.450 cm: (0.0151*PI) cm^3 times 7.8 g/cm^3 for steel"). Note that 0.173 inches is 4.4 mm.
The article Air gun, section BB also states: "A BB is a small ball, typically made of steel with a copper or zinc plating, of 4.5 mm/.177" diameter." However, Birdshot gives 0.180 inches (4.57 mm) as the "true" meaning of BB. I think the inconsistencies should be fixed by an editor who is knowledgeable about the topic; I don't have access to reliable references for any of this. --Lambiam 12:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
The last sentence on this page says "But in USA all real looking bb/airsoft guns needs to have a orange tip" This is not true of BB guns. Even the BB gun used as this article's picture has no orange tip. I have bought them at mainstream stores such as WalMart, Outdoor World, and Sports Authority without any orange tip. They all could be easily passed off as a real firearm.
Airsoft guns (6mm) must have this orange tip, but not BB guns (.177). I live in Florida, maybe the law is different in other states. I hesitate to change this because I am not sure it is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jumboshrmp (talk • contribs) 13:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
What's the difference? I've been told that BB gun's can be deadly (up close) while airsoft gun's are typically harmless. But if someone held one of these up to my head how do I know if it's a BB gun or an airsoft gun (let's pretend I'm aware it's a fake gun and not a real one). Or to put it another way, I've only ever encountered the pistol version of these guns, but I don't know whether they were BB or air? How to tell? I'm cofused about the whole thing, I hear one thing from someone then someone else contradicts it straight away.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.149.177 (talk) 19:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
The article states, under Safety: "As with rocks, bricks, keys and other items, vandals have sometimes misused BB guns for the wrongful damage of property." The article is not about rocks, bricks or keys; and the section is titled "Safety", not "Vandalism".
Later, also under Safety: "The major manufacturers are Crosman and Daisy which are known for their quality. Most pellet gun manufacturing companies have a wide variety although some aren't as popular." This is misplaced, and definitely not NPOV.
I suggest deleting both paragraphs at the end of Safety. Husoski (talk) 18:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
The penetration statement is unclear. "The effective penetrating range of a BB gun with a muzzle velocity of 400-600fps is +/- 60'/ 30mts." After the word "is", I'm reading a tolerance sign, 60 feet, slash, 30mts. No idea what "mts" is since meters are "m" and shouldn't be paired with feet. Please clarify. Thinktank33 (talk) 19:49, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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What does the second "b" stand for? Why "Bb"? Strange that this isn't explained in the article... --Gaston76 (talk) 19:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
"B" stands for "buckshot" in shotgun terminology, and the number of "B"s used correlates to the size of each individual shot. so you can have B, BB, and BBB for instance. 98.178.191.34 (talk) 03:53, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Lord Belbury has brought to my attention that two links were removed- the one was a malfunciton of a copy/paste and the other is clearly a reference citation in APA format similar to the nature of pre-existing references, which Lord Belbury claims is "spam". A link contained in a reference tag cited in APA style is clearly NOT spam, though it may or may not meet Wikipedia policy with respect to references. Rather the proper thing to do is to cite appropriate wikipedia policy to support your contentions, NOT be "lazy" by making what are clearly baseless claims of so-called "spam". Therefore the reference was re-inserted for the time being. 98.178.191.34 (talk) 03:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, but No. It doesn't matter what "affiliate links" are present so long as the link contains information useful to the topic matter. Here the link supports allegations of FPS (Feet Per Second) when taken in conjunction with the rest of the Wikipedia references at the same area. It, therefore, is not a violation of WP:REPSPAM or WP:ELNO. The idea that The reference may also be unnecessary as the sentence it was added to was already sourced is also not adequate to support reference removal because of WP:NPOV , which encourages using multiple sources. Rather properly understood, citation spam is understood to be citations added not to verify article content but rather to populate numerous articles with a particular citation. The keyword in that is "numerous articles" which hasn't happened here. 98.178.191.34 (talk) 20:13, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
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