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There was never an "emperor" of Ireland. Please do not "sex up" history! Indeed the so-called "High King" is open to debate.
Brian Borúma was given the title Imperator Scotorum in the Book of Armagh so I would contend that it’s hardly “sexing up” the history of the man. — Viralworld
The title Emperor of the Scots descends from the Roman Influence. There was no Gaelic when the Romans first arrived in Scotia, that was the first given name to the land, the people known as Scotti or (Scots) in Saxon.
To the Irish at that time, there was many kings, not just one and the title of emperor coming from the Romans applies to the ruler of all kings. More study is required by the ^^^ first poster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.104.231.204 (talk) 14:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
I agree with the poster ^ see my own post at far bottom. If you type Scoti into Wikipedia, it lets you understand why Brian Boru said he was emporer of the Gaels called Scots. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:1F17:9600:A59C:C578:A906:DB72 (talk) 11:35, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Imperator Scotorum translates into Emperor of Scoti (Scots), see google translate & multiple Irish sources supplied below.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/robert-the-bruce-and-ireland-s-last-scottish-high-king-1.2356851 - Irish Times.
http://www.aughty.org/pdf/triumph_brian_boru.pdf - Ireland and the Celtic church, a history from Ireland 1172, G. Stokes D.D 1888.
https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/crowning-of-irelands-last-scottish-high-king/ - Collage of Dublin, Sean Duffy, Professor of Medieval History.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/history/british-and-irish-history-biographies/brian-boru - Oxford Unity Press — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.104.231.204 (talk) 16:19, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Isn't the occasion of making the Vikings pay tribute still celebrated in Dublin as a sort of independence day? I'd put it in the article, but I don't remember the details sufficiently. -- April
It doesn't sound familiar, I'll try and check it out at some stage. Bernfarr
Hello, I'm new to Wikipedia.
I have a suggestion for this page, but am not confident enough to edit it myself: What about adding some info about Brian Boru's family, like his parents, marriage(s), and children?
The user from 66.185.85.80 who revised the page had his edits for Niall of the Nine Hostages revoked and the page marked with a possible copyright violation. The same web site with Niall of the Nine Hostages information seems to have been mined for this[1] article. I don't know what the status of the copyright is, but I'm reverting to the old version of this page until this all gets cleared up. --Ruy Lopez 10:02, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I've made a start on cleaning up and wiki-fying/reformatting the article. The prose is rather thick, with some great Irish-isms "to be sure", which I've left in :). Some of the sentence structures were odd and I've fixed these. I've removed some of the stuff that was in parentheses as these bits really need to be put into different articles, and merged some stuff that was duplicated. I'm still not sure if the whole "History" section really belongs in this article at all. There is quite a bit of original research I suspect, but I'm not quite comfortable enough to remove it yet. I'd love to get some feedback. - FrancisTyers 23:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the disputed tag as I don't think there is any real dispute on here at the moment. We simply have to find a reputable source and add Brian's date of birth, if known.--File Éireann 20:10, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Encyclopaedia Brittanica states that he was born in 941. I think that until someone researches the issue further, it would be reasonable to accept 941 as per EB.--File Éireann 20:20, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Edit: Hi, to whom ever wrote the 'Popular image' article I have a few questions. It seemed to me that in the 'Popular image' article you were trying to rufute something, and it is unclear to me as to what (If anything) you're trying to refute. If this is the case could you please clarify? And if the article is trying to rufute something could you please site your sources? Thanks. --PatickOg 05:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, I don't know who made the 'popular image' article (Wasn't FrancisTyers, thanks for the clear up) but I think it should be removed. It doesn't seem to (Me) convey it's message very well. Also it seems to suggest that Boru had little if anyhting to do with the Vikings. We know he did because of the Battle of Clontarf and two norse works, Njal's Saga and the Orkneyinga Saga, which claim Earl Sigurd was at the battle and so was Brian Boru. Further more the Danes while they were absorbed in to the Irish Culture, the major absorption began after Clontarf. Again I suggest the 'popular image' be removed as it will likely clash with other articles as well as itself. That is unless the person who wrote it would like to present his sources. --PatickOg 07:04, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
The orthography of kings' names could do with being tidied up :- Mael Mordha would be better as Máelmórda mac Murchada, Mathgamain Mathgamain mac Cennetíg, Mael Muad Máelmuad mac Brain, Mael Sechlainn mac Domnall II Máelsechlainn mac Domnaill, and so on, all matching Byrne's usages in Irish Kings and High-Kings. Patronymics don't need repeating after the first mention unless there's a need to disambiguate. I'd also suggest unlinking them. Anyone who writes an article on them can always use Google to find which pages need links adding (but only if there's some sort of standardisation in the usages). Angus McLellan 13:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
To Druworos. I've been reading more about Brain Boru and this subject. I will admit his image as the king who freed the Irish from the Norse is largely over blown. But I would point out that not only does the subject in question seem confusing by being placed outside the articles about Brian's life and rule but also seems to conflict with the rest of the page. It can only help but confuse the reader instead of giving him a constant, flowing, and informative read. Until I can say whether or not the "Popular Image" article is true or not I won't delete it, I'm either going to try and join the the articles or perhaps add to "Popular Image" so it sounds less opposing to the rest of the page. --PatickOg 09:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
What's this I hear about the british queen mother being a descendant of Brian Boru? Superdude99 20:08, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I believe Queen Elizabeth is somehow descended form Brian Boru, but I do not know the details. Iamdmonah (talk) 09:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
I just noted the possibility he was born in 926 in the article. I originally learned of this from the French Larousse Encyclopedic Dictionary, ed 1964 ... When I later saw all sources quoting 941, I thought it was a mistake on Larousse's part, or maybe science had evolved since... but I just saw in again on answers.com, meaning there's a set of sources still clinging to 926... if anybody can get definitive data on the matter, I'd like to see all this cleaned up. --Svartalf 19:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I have recently purchased a book about Brian Boru, his family, and his descendants. I saw the entry on wikipedia about the Kennedy family being descendants of Boru through a son named Cennetig. According to this book, which is probably the most accurate book about the O'Brien Clan out there, Brian's sons were named: Murrough, Conor, Flan, Teige, Donald, and Donough. Brian's father, however, was named Cennetig, and it is thought that some Kennedy clans are descended from Cennetig through some of Brian Boru's brothers. There are a number of non-O'Brien surnames descended from Brian. On the O'Brien Clan website, Kennedy is not listed as one. And this is understandable because I do not think a descendant of Brian Boru would take a pre-Boru ancestor's name as their own surname. I have read also that the American Kennedy family is descended from the Scottish Kennedy clan and is not affiliated with the Dalcassian Kennedy family. But I did not want to edit that entry in case anybody had any differing information from what I have. -- From what i recall, the Kennedy family are descended from one of Brian's nephews who was called Cennetig. -Paul
Some days ago, somebody removed the sections about trivia and modern culture references to Brian. I've reinstated them until discussion can take place to see just why they should be removed in the first place. Granted, the bits gathered there are trivial, but they show that King Brian is not forgotten. Also, the fact that the harp kept at Trinity College is generally named after him, or the existence of a piece of music bearing his name are worth mentioning, all the more so as there are no specific articles on them. The Brian Boru Harp is subsumed in the emblems of Ireland, and while the March is famous and well known, I don't know if enough is known about it to make an independent article, I sure could not even wring a stub's worth out of what I know without going into baseless conjectures. So mentioning the piece under the eponym seems the best solution. --Svartalf 02:18, 18 October 2006
MYname is brian mattix and I really am intested in this you should look at this I was so into this you really need to look at this I am still looking at this--75.121.203.104 (talk) 17:06, 19 March 2009 (UTC)--75.121.203.104 (talk) 17:06, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I would like it noted that the burgeoning victories of Brian Boru against the Norse Vikings in the late 10th century are simultaneous with the burgeoning victories of Aelfred the Great of Wessex against the Norse Vikings in the late 10th century. That is, in the years leading up to 1000 CE, both the Christian Irish and the Christian Anglo-Saxons began emerging from Norse Viking subjugation. I believe it is obvious that there is at least indirect relation here — at the minimum, by 1000 CE, the Vikings were in decline and the long suppressed Celtic-Christian kingdoms of Ireland and England began re-emerging. But I also believe it is possible that there was some direct relation between Brian Boru and his contemporary colleague, and de facto ally, Aelfred the Great of Wessex. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.235.44.73 (talk • contribs).
subjugation? erin was not East Anglia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.218.218 (talk) 03:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
That section is written so as to suggest that the presence of the Norse in Ireland at the time of Brian Boru was equivalent to that of English footballers on holiday - rowdy tourists with knives or swords. However given that the Norse had already conquered significant areas of England, Scotland, France and Russia it seems incongruous and less than credible to imply that they had no comparable penetration of Ireland.
"less than credible to imply that they had no comparable penetration of Ireland. " no it's not —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.218.218 (talk) 03:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
New too this Wiki thing but i read in the paper a couple of month ago that a film was to be made about Brian Boru's life or the battle of Clontarf, cant remember which. Does anyone think this should be included in the popular culture or even Trivia section? Dont know enough about the film to write it, dont even think filiming started yet, but should it make a mention?? James153.96.50.65 09:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Not too sure about Sean Penn, when i read the article in the paper, it mentioned either Christian Bale or Leo DiCaprio playin Boru. Im not too sure if it is going ahead (it was only a small article with not alot of details) but i'll check!! James 153.96.50.65 08:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Sean Penn? Brian Borjew lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.218.218 (talk) 03:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
The following is unsourced information:
While this is interesting, we can't use it unless you provide a source. Also, none of this is really trivia, as trivia by its definition is "unimportant information" - it therefore shouldn't be in a trivia section but instead the information should be incorporated into the main article. - Tbsdy lives (talk) 10:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
I've got no strong opinion on Brian Boru vs Brian Bóruma as the correct name for Wikipedia in English, but could the good editors please 1) Discuss page moves before doing them, and 2) make sure that there is consistency between the name of the article and the name used in the article. Right now the article is called Brian Boru while the name bolded in heading& used in the infobox is Brian Bóruma. Thanks, Finn Rindahl (talk) 18:06, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
I undid DinDraithou's earlier (undiscussed) alternation of the title for two reasons. (1) the common name of this person, including in Ireland, is Brian Boru. (2) This is the English language Wikipedia, we're not here to teach people Gaeilge, especially at the cost of losing the by far best known name of a historical figure (perhaps the most notable in Irish history). It wreaks of obscurantist tokenism. Crusty academia, or no crusty academia—this man's most recognisable name is Brian Boru. - Yorkshirian (talk) 22:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
The currently listed secondary sources seem like the obvious material to be using here. Presumably Byrne's Irish Kings, Ó Cróinín's Early Medieval Ireland, plus the RIA history, will be useful for background. I'm not sure what else is going to help here. Given that Brian will be given a passing mention in a million and one books and articles, it presumably makes sense to try and keep the number of works cited under control.
So does anyone have a view on other useful sources?
Under "further reading", removing Ireland before the Normans, we have:
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has generic name (help)Anyone read those? Presumably the MacShamhráin and Ryan articles merit inclusion, but the other two may not. Is Kelleher's "Rise of the Dál Cais" likely to be useful? How about Gwynne's "Brian in Armagh"? MacShamhráin's "Brian Bóruma, Armagh and High Kingship"?
One area where Ní Mhaonaigh's book seemed rather feeble was in covering Brian's afterlife. She mentioned the Cogadh and a couple of poems, and that was about it. But presumably myth-making didn't stop then. What about Keating and the Ó Cléirighs? Is Morgan Llywelyn the only person to have written a novel about Brian? No Yeats or Ferguson poems that I know of, but surely that doesn't mean no poems at all? What about plays, films, TV series, radio shows? Either we have a proper section on posthumous representations, complete with citations, or we have a dreadful "in popular culture" list of cruft and random bollocks. My current favourite is: 'In "Strapping Young Lads" by Brian Dunning, Brunnhilde claimed to have killed Boru in single combat, and "torn his still-beating heart from his breast."' What the fuck is that about? And the rest is little better. Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
The lead now says (English: Brian Boru, Irish: Brian Bórumha, Brian Bóroimhe, or more usually Brian Ború) - I don't speak Gaelic, but is Ború really the more usuallly used Gaelic name? And why is this spelling of the name in bold? Finn Rindahl (talk) 16:51, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Just seen this in the article and it makes me laugh everytime i see it. Did the Irish assimilate the Vikings or did the Vikings assimilate themselves into Irish culture? I'd say it was the conscious choice of the Vikings and not from any pressure from the Irish. The Vikings wherever they went assimilated with the local populations - in Scotland, England, the Western Isles, Normandy, Kiev and Constantinople. The off-shoot of the Vikings, the Normans where exactly the same. The Irish didn't assimilate them, they made themselves "more Irish than the Irish themselves" just like they did in southern Italy where they became just as "Italian as the Italians themselves".Mabuska (talk) 23:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
It would be interesting to know if Collins says more about this Morough (Murchad) O'Brien. If he was Brians son his name, even when anglisized, should be mac Brian. Is it possible that this is Brians (and Gormflaiths) grandson Murchad mac Donnchad Ua Briain (d.1068)? All other sources I remember seeing ahs Mór as the mother og Brians son Murchad. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 12:45, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
A question was asked in 2006 whether the late Queen Mother Elizabeth was descended from Brien Boru. The answer is "probably", due to the family tree paradox. The paradox is that as time goes back, the number of ancestors increases, but the population of the world or the region decreases. As a result, if one goes back a thousand years, it is highly probable that any person with ancestry in a given region is descended from any person in that region who had descendants. It is probable that a twentieth-century Scottish noblewoman with a well-documented family tree would be able to trace descent from a late historical High King of Ireland. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:37, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
"Brian's first wife was Mór, daughter of the king of Uí Fiachrach Aidne of Connacht. She is said to have been the mother of his sons Murchad, Conchobar and Flann. Later genealogies claimed that these sons left no descendants, although in fact Murchad's son Tadc is recorded as being killed at Clontarf along with his father and grandfather.[12]
Echrad daughter of the king of Uí Áeda Odba, an obscure branch of the southern Uí Néill, was the mother of Tadc, whose son Toirdelbach and grandson Muirchertach rivalled Brian in power and fame.[13]"
The first paragraph indicates that Tadc was a son of Murchad (grandson of Brian Boru); the second indicates he was the son of Brian Boru by Echrad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.5.47.198 (talk) 15:10, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
While reading through the 'Battle of Clontarf' section of this article I found this sentence to be quite funny:
"All of the accounts state that the Battle of Clontarf lasted all day. This may be an exaggeration, or it may suggest a long-drawn-out fight."
Quite! Can I suggest that if someone were to edit it to say "All of the accounts state that the Battle of Clontarf lasted all day. This may be an exaggeration, or it may suggest that the Battle of Clontarf lasted all day" it would be even funnier? Thanks. - DropShadow (talk) 12:43, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
is this the same name? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 20:01, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
On multiple wiki pages referring to Ireland, I have seen edits which are clearly created by racist Irish supremacists or immature children.
On this page, for example, someone keeps changing that translation of Imperator Scottorum and stating it means Emporer of the Irish.
Unless Brian Boru time travelled then this is as ridiculous as the concept of time travel. Pre the 1800s there was no such name/ title as Ireland or the Irish, Scottorum does not even come close to translating into Irish.
If the editors had any level of education on Irish history, they would know that Ireland had no written language pre-roman influence and no historical records.
Latin predominantly led to the creation of Gaelic and the Gaels were all called Scoti by the Romans, there is NO evidence showing the ancient Scoti or Irish called themselves Irish, this falsehood had been edited out for historical accuracy.
See wiki pages - Scoti & Scotia, Both have factual references with sources.
Ancient Roman, Greek and medieval Irish and Scottish records refer to Ireland as Scotia (before, during and after) the life of Brian Boru.
Brian Boru was not saying he was the Emporer of the Scottish people that would be ridiculous, he was stating he was the Emporer of the Gaelic people, this is as simple as history defines it.
Imperator Scottorum - Emporer of the Scots, the Scots being a roman Latin name for the Gaels.
Wiki admins truly need to align wiki pages and sources for historical accuracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.156.234.146 (talk) 10:20, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
The Banner - Brian Boru was not a Scot, he was the Gaelic king self-stated Emporer of the Gaels, the Roman name for the Gaels was the Scotti which is Scot in English, we are speaking about a (Roman Latin) translation here, the Roman title applies.
You're translating from Latin to English incorrectly, this as an error.
You lack understanding, he was not stating he was a Scot or Scottish, but the translation remains what it translates into, Emporer of the Scots.
As a resident of Ireland, your bias is clear however a deliberate translation error is vandalism, you as the admin are vandalising this wiki page.
The banner -
It is obvious that you do not have any Gaelic Education, being said I can see you are from Europe living in Ireland.
The Romans called the Islands people the Scoti, Scots and we are translating from Roman Latin into English, Imperator Scottorum.
I am not stating a personal view, I am stating a fact, Imperator Scottorum translates into Emporer of the Scots, I am Italian and I have studied Roman and Gaelic history for longer than you have lived in Ireland.
See Scotia under (etymology and derivations), it clearly states Irish documents dating back to the 9th century use the word (Scot). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:1F17:9600:A59C:C578:A906:DB72 (talk) 11:31, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
"Scotti" was a Latin word for the gaels in Ireland originating from around the 3th century. There were no gaels in Scotland at this point as they were picts. Scotti referred to the Irish, the gaels of Éire. Thus Scotti from that point translated much closer to meaning Irish. The Gaels went to Scotland due to an invasion via the Irish kingdom, Dál Ríata, and eventually in the 9th century the Dál Ríata kingdom merged with the picts to form Alba/Scotland. The term "scotti" only came to refer to the Scottish offially in the 13th century after a decree by the Pope. In Brian Ború's time, Scotti would have referred to the Gaels of Ireland, so the term "Emperator Scottorum" would translate to "Emperor Of The Irish". Understand? And in response to you claiming the Irish never called themsleves "Irish", of course they wouldnt as they wouldnt of spoken English. They called themselves gaels,from Éire. Then around the 13th century the term "Éireanach" became more popular,and to this day Éireanach is the Irish word for Irish. So yes the Gaels WERE Irish. I dont understand your nonsense about "racial supremacy", nor your premature anger but "Emperator Scottorum" translated at the time to "Emperor of the Irish" as you would quite obviously think since Brian Ború was Irish. Tíocfaidh ár lá, Éire. (talk) 16:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
There continues to be disagreement over whether Imperator Scottorum should be translated in the lead as "Emperor of the Gaels" or "of the Irish" or "of the Scots". In fact, it should not be in the lead at all. Brian was never "bestowed the title Imperator Scottorum". It was used, once, by his secretary, in a marginal note written on the Book of Armagh. The fact is not significant enough to go in the lead. It belongs in the High King section. Unfortunately, that entire section is a highly personal opinion written by a single editor in 2005, and entirely unsourced. It needs to be re-written, and can include a discussion of the various interpretations of Imperator Scottorum. This Irish Times article by Seán Duffy explains that Scotus meant Irishman, although he goes on to say that "there is evidence to suggest that [in using Imperator Scottorum] he saw himself as overlord not just of all Ireland but of all the Gaels". This entry on the Book of Armagh by DáibhI Ó Cróinín in Medieval Ireland: An Encyclopedia, translates it unambiguously as "emperor of the Irish". I'm taking the phrase out of the lead, and tagging the section. Scolaire (talk) 14:26, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I cannot be bothered to check any more of the references added in this disputed edit by @Iamdmonah: that has been repeatedly reverted by @The Banner:, since after checking this one my mind is made up that it will be a waste of time. The book was already cited for the sentence There are many accounts of how Brian was killed, from dying in heroic man-to-man combat to being killed by the fleeing Viking mercenary Brodir while praying in his tent at Clontarf
, there is no dispute it references the latter part of that sentence. The following passages were added.
Following the battle, Imar, rule of governor of the city of Limerick who was loyal to Ivar, fled the city by ship down the River Shannon towards the estuary, relentlessly pursued by Brian. Also with Imar were his two sons, Donnuban and hundreds of other Vikings. They hid in a monastery on Scattery Island, not expecting Brian to attack on sacred groundhere
However Brian, still in a rage over the death of his brother, landed on the island, massacred every Viking in the monastery and desecrated the church. This marked the end of any chance of further successful Norse attacks on Munster as most of the Viking leadership and army had been slaughteredhere
However, he then allowed some of the Norse to remain in their settlement, but they were wealthy and now central to trade in the region, particularly the slave trade, and possessed a fleet of great value, which Brian would utilise in his later naval expeditionshere
None of those additions can be referenced to page 128 of 1001 Battles That Changed the Course of History, as anyone looking on Google Books will be able to see. FDW777 (talk) 12:51, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
In fact I could be bothered to check another reference, this one that's supposedly "Brian Boru–Irish Biography". www.irishlibraries.com
. The website isn't even irishlibraries.com (a website that appears to have had no known history), the actual citation can be found at https://www.libraryireland.com/biography/BrianBoru.php. This "reference" was added at end of a paregraph, the last sentences of which were.
Brian's naval forces, which included contingents supplied by the Hiberno-Norse cities that he brought under his control, provided both indirect and direct support for his forces on land. Indirect support involved a fleet making a diversionary attack on an enemy in a location far away from where Brian planned to strike with his army. Direct support involved naval forces acting as one arm in a strategic pincer, the army forming the other arm
I have read the entire article, and searched for relevant words such as "pincer", "navy", "naval", "ship", "boat". The only mention is the single sentence In 993 Brian prepared a fleet of boats, sailed up the Shannon and invaded Leitrim and Cavan
which references a whole lot of nothing. Can @Iamdmonah: please explain why this reference and the other do not contain the information he claims? FDW777 (talk) 13:08, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
In relation to the first few paragraphs, about Brian on Scattery Island, I believe that I simply used or re-used the incorrect source, I dont know how that has occurred, but I can repair it. In relation to the second group of edits I made (which was quite some time ago), I was having trouble with the URL link and therefore decided to manually put in the source. Obviously, I put in the incorrect words when typing the name of the website (irishlibraries instead of library Ireland) without realising, and therefore did not return to fix it as I hadn't realized it was wrong. Furthermore, the information wrote where I had meant to cite libraryireland, was in reference to the invasion of Leitrim and Cavan. The information detailing the tactics of Brian's naval forces ("strategic pincers") was not an edit I made, it was edited in by someone else. Its possible I misplaced a citation at the end of the paragraph (therefore leading you to believe I had written that segment). I will wait to see if you have any further questions before I attempt to repair these citations.
Iamdmonah (talk) 14:37, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
My apologies, I have just realised what the problem was. I had believed that the user known as 'The Banner' was continuously reverting my edits on the 'Ulster Campaigns' section (which were perfectly well sourced), without realising that he was actually reverting my edits referencing Brian on Scattery Island. (Partly his fault, but mainly down to my blatant ignorance).
That is the reason I was continuously reverting to the original revision by me. Also, I have now found the sources of all the information that was previoulsy incorrectly sourced by me, but I will await to see if you have any further queries in regards to my edits before replace the citations. Iamdmonah (talk) 14:49, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
I have now replaced the incorrect citations with the correct ones. Apologies for my mistake. Iamdmonah (talk) 17:57, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Please understand that i am really trying my best and am not deliberately trying to edit disruptively or add "fake" sources.
With this most recent edit you have made can you please explain what is the problem. The sources are not "fake" I have the URL link to the website, you can see for yourself.
On future, can you please explain what the problem is exactly, because it is just resulting in this back and forth reverting. Just saying "fake sources" isnt really helping me understand what the problem is. How do you expect me to understand that?
I still want an explanation for what is wrong with my most recent edits, and yes, I am aware that you should not make more than 3 reverts on a page within 24 hours, so I will leave it for now. Iamdmonah (talk) 19:40, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
I went on to the site but I could find the page but the page numbers were not identified, that being said the link I have provided not only goes to to the book but goes directly to the pages I have cited. Iamdmonah (talk) 13:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Would anyone be supportive or interested in creating a sort-of legacy section? Mainly detailing his successors in Munster, specifically his descendants in the O'Brien Dynasty, some information about the state of Viking power in Ireland afterwards, and maybe incorporating the historical view section which is already present in the article. Basically, Brian's impact on the political landscape in Ireland following his death. Iamdmonah (talk) 13:23, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes something like that. How the Dál gCáis grew to be one of the most powerful tribes in Ireland because of Brian's exploits for example. And Brian's descendants in the O'Brien dynasty, such as the High Kings of Ireland Toirdelbach Ua Briain and Muirchertach Ua Briain. Also, the rise of Munster as the most powerful Kingdom in Ireland, and the standing of the Vikings in Irish politics following the Battle of Clontarf Iamdmonah (talk) 15:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)