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I have copied material from the New York City Department of Education article concerning Common Core's comparison with communism. This material does not belong in the NYCDOE article, as it has a weak nexus to that institution; however, the discussion is directed at Common Core so this article should be a good location to collect such material where the discussion pertains to the Common Core and not a state derivative.
In doing so, it would appear this article makes no effort to form a coherent analysis section. Instead, there is a Response section which appears, on the first glance (I consider myself a rather experienced Wikipedian) to be a rambling mess I would expect to hear from a crazy man (I believe the casual reader would not even try to comprehend whatever this section is saying). This "response" section should be split into obvious criticisms, obvious analysis, and other statements ("responses") that are neither analytical nor critical (and hence should possibly be in another section, like a history section). This is important because if the material is neither analytical nor critical, well, it is less important for the casual reader. With that, I have started a relevant section with material which is clearly critical. int21h (talk · contribs · email) 01:18, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
The problem with your insertion is, at a minimum, it assigns inordinate WP:WEIGHT to the idea that CC is Communist or Communist-like. A single person, who is not an expert in either Communist China, nor in education, nor the intersection of education in China, reported on by questionable WP:RS, is not a valuable addition from this point of view. Lastly, the addition failed to note the qualifying factors and instead added the content as if it were a fact that there were more than one person making this comparison and that the WND is dedicated to a "Christian worldview". A more neutral addition would have been "Christian news source WND covered the story of a woman who compared CC to Communism." I also now have reverted your addition.
As for NYCDOE, the removal at that article of the content is only related to that article, and nothing restricts us from similar removal here (albeit for different reasons).
A source having an article is only indicative that we believe that source to be notable. No one would consider Glenn Beck or Donald Trump to be authoritative, trusted, reliable sources. You should re-read WP:RS apparently. --Izno (talk) 19:21, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Copying within Wikipedia must provide attribution in the page or its history. Period. I won't debate your incorrectly informed opinion.
Your suspicions are irrelevant. Whether "people" consider Beck or Trump to be reliable sources is also irrelevant in that our standards do not (except in the WP:SPS case).
You are always welcome to request a 3rd opinion or start an RFC on inclusion of this woman's opinion in the article. Perhaps both I and Stevie are calibrated incorrectly in our position and could use recalibration by the community. --Izno (talk) 14:44, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Aside from the discussion above related to the Communism inclusion, you suggested that the currently Response section is underwhelming in its organization. From a brief review of the section yesterday, I would tend to agree. Do you have specific suggestions for a remedy? Will you work with us on it? --Izno (talk) 14:46, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
The "Response" section is definitely an incoherent mess. It should at least be broken up into two distinct sections: positive responses and criticisms. Given that many Americans seem to be vehemently opposed to "common core", and the fact that getting rid of it was a major plank in Trump's winning campaign platform, the article should at least give some hint or clue to non-Americans (like myself), as to why "common core" is loathed and despised by so many Americans. The article completely fails to do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77Mike77 (talk • contribs) 22:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
The Assessment section needs updating. The first paragraph refers to the 2014-2015 school year in the future. --seberle (talk) 10:29, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Several states dropped common core so the current article is out of date.
https://www.georgiastandards.org/Georgia-Standards/Pages/default.aspx http://eagnews.org/florida-state-officials-drop-common-core-in-favor-of-florida-standards/ RonDr (talk) 20:25, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by RonDr (talk • contribs) 20:24, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Gotcha, going to fix that no w, but already added how trump wants to get rod of CCSI with School Choice and education opportunity act. Nathanpn (talk) 16:51, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Updated on how Trump wants to replace CCSI with School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. (Getting tired from typing "School Choice And Education Opportunity Act") If you have any question or suggestions, please post. Nathanpn (talk) 16:54, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
The erroneous sentence in the introduction has been removed. If no one can find any details on how this proposed act will "end" Common Core, should we make a note in the Adoption section that this is not clear at this time? Numerous sources before the election noted that the federal government has no way to "end" the Common Core. If Izno is correct, the act will not "end" the Common Core, it will only remove any further federal incentives to keep it. This sounds likely, but since it is unsourced speculation, we cannot yet include it. Perhaps the final sentence in the Adoption section should read, "Upon taking office, President-elect Donald Trump plans to abolish the standards and allow local communities to control their standards, which will be done with the School Choice And Education Opportunity Act (SCAEOA). However, the Common Core is not under federal control, and details of the SCAEOA have not yet been released, so it is not yet clear how the SCAEOA can end the Common core." --seberle (talk) 10:09, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Let us note that Common Core, as described in this article, includes no "language" requirement whatsoever. In CC guidelines, the term is used exclusively as a synonym for English literacy. The lack of any world languages component is at least as ringing a condemnation of this scheme as its dogfaced exclusion of the arts. (Particularly in view of the claim that CC will bring American students up to international standards. In this respect it's clearly a farce.) Our article on it would be much more complete if someone with expertise on the subject added a section on these extraordinary omissions. Laodah 05:22, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
I haven't even read through the entire article, and the few excerpts that I've read show an incredible amount of bias in favor of Common Core. Even the opening line...
"The Common Core State Standards Initiative is an educational initiative from 2010 that details what K–12 students throughout the United States should know in English language arts and mathematics at the conclusion of each school grade."
...seems to indicate that what is presented in Common Core is the be-all end-all answer to everything that's wrong in the universe, instead of recognizing that Common Core is an attempt to quantify the minimum national standards for what students should know.
Additional, in the "Reception and Criticism" section, when a quotation is taken from one critical response...
The "Common Core adopts a bottom-line, pragmatic approach to education and the heart of its philosophy is, as far as we can see, that it is a waste of resources to 'over-educate' people,"[66]...
...is followed up by a clear defense/justification:
...though the Common Core set only minimum—not maximum—standards.
These are simply the first ones that I saw; I haven't read the whole thing, so it is possible that they're the only statements like this in the article, but I doubt it.
Purely anecdotally, every single person that I've heard describe the Common Core approach to mathematics has a negative view of it. And these aren't third-hand parties: these are actual parents of actual students actually trying to learn math the Common Core way.
Ghonth (talk) 20:59, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
I've just cut the repetition out of the lead "an initiative is an initiative" and pinned the definition of this endeavor to a WP:Reliable source. In general, too much of this article is written in bureaucratese and relies for its wording on the organization behind it rather than on more neutral sources. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:29, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Someone added a tag in May: "This article or section contains close paraphrasing of a non-free copyrighted source, Ready or Not : Creating a High School Diploma That Counts." There is no explanation as to what needs correcting. According to the tag, there is discussion on this Talk Page, but I do not see it. Does anyone know what the specific copyright infringement is and what needs correcting? --seberle (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
I added a couple of sentences about the Standards for Reading Foundational Skills because I feel it is relevant. If you disagree, feel free to remove or modify it. John (talk) 18:29, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
is an ExxonMobile spokesperson cited and partially quoted? What acknowledgement have they/the corporation received, entitling them to a say in this pedagogy topic article? Arcsoda (talk) 19:43, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Adumbrativus (talk) 23:05, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Common Core State Standards Initiative → Common Core – "Common Core" is the WP:COMMONNAME, not to mention it is also more WP:CONCISE. ~BappleBusiness[talk] 04:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Why doesn’t this article mention the role of the Gates Foundation in creating common core? 24.251.193.195 (talk) 18:18, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
"Since 2010, 41 states and the District of Columbia have been members of the Common Core State Standards Initiative; Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, Virginia, Alaska, Nebraska, Indiana and South Carolina did not adopt it. Minnesota adopted the English Language Arts standards but not the Mathematics standards. Although starting as a fast trend, the curriculum lost momentum and found at least 12 states introducing legislation to prohibit implementation. Four states that initially adopted Common Core have since decided to repeal or replace it: Indiana, Arizona, Oklahoma, and South Carolina."
Why are 4 states listed as having adopted and then repealed and replaced it, while 3 of those 4 are also listed as having not adopted it at all? Why is Arizona left out of the first list? Shouldn't it be that 45 states have been members if 4 of them adopted and then left? UWIdico (talk) 15:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Core#Assessment
Seems this starting line should read, "The impetus for assessment was not a function of the Common Core project, but to ensure states' continued compliance with the testing mandates..."
Am I missing something? Is "impetuous" really the better fit here? Shlama b'Mshikha (talk) 23:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, the link is down
EDIT: NVM, someone just misspelled the most important phrase in the whole document. It's fine 50.48.57.142 (talk) 16:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)