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Please review the edits re: the health service. They are accurate, though they may need presented in a more NPOV way. This is difficult, as essentially the health service in Ireland is a disaster by all accounts and absolutely diabolical. I mean, 170 patients on trolleys in corridors awaiting A&E treatment without any kind of national emergency (apart from the situation itself) is fairly appalling. This was the situation a day or two ago.
The two-tier health system is also well documented - it exists. How one describes it in any kind of neutral way without hiding that fact, I do not know. zoney ♣ talk 21:17, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The health section is still a bit POV; it could do with a bit of international perspective instead of sounding like a shrill TV3 news segment. The article does not distinguish between elective and non-elective procedures in public health; the former are free to everyone. Also, while the description of the medical card system mentions a figure of a million people, it seems to describe the system as being available to only the completely indigent. In fact almost 40% of the population is covered by the medical card system. jimg
These objections need to be addressed by someone with more competence than I possess. Filiocht 13:34, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)
The Republic of Ireland did not exist prior to 1922. So with the main economy article being moved to Economy of the Republic of Ireland, it doesn't make sense to have (much) pre-1922 content there. The pre-1922 content is somewhat awkward to classify as "Economy of the Republic of Ireland", not to mention pre-1949. And this article has all-island content post-1922 also.
Also this is the ideal page title under which to write about the economic effects of partition, as the final section.
This new article needs a lot of work - Ireland's 19th century in particular was noteworthy. I think the relevant section here is not accurate in its depiction of Ireland at that time - I think we did have more industry, albeit concentrated mostly around Belfast and to some degree in Dublin.
But economy is more than industry, and the article does not go into depth on the agricultural economy of the time. All the market towns of Ireland for example, how they came about.
Going back earlier, what about the Vikings? They had economy. What about Ireland's coastal cities? Galway for example was rich from sea trade.
Much work to be done. zoney ♣ talk 12:18, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
This sentence sounds weird to me, I can't really place the context or meaning of it. "The Institute of Technology system has recently overtaken the universities in terms of first year enrollment numbers and this trend appears to be accelerating; this is the realisation of the binary system's strength in Ireland."
That last part in bold seems to be misusing the phrase "binary system", especially since there is a link to Binary. --rimbaud 15:54, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
Ireland has a positive future and a wealth of highly educated people, I cant see this mentioned in the article.
Ireland demographics are positive, with the youngest educated workforce in Europe http://www.idaireland.com/why-ireland/young-talented-workforce/ Can we add this to the intro? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.251.160 (talk) 16:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me the situation of the economy in the North in terms of growth, strong sectors, contribution to British economy and budget surplus(if applicable). All I know is it's doing better after the troubles. I'm trying to improve the articles on Ireland in the French wikipedia and they're missing info on the North. Thanks in advance.- Dalta 15:53, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
There ar many incroct facts in this section. The M1 only goes from the border toDublin, Not along the whole east cost and Brodband coerage is nowhere near 50%, eiter Geograpicly or poplation wise
The "State ownership and deregulation" section says several times that the government controls "much" of a given industry. I think it's important to be more precise, giving numbers with references. This section needed a lot of copyediting just now, so I'm also not sure I trust its qualitative judgements, so some research is probably in order. -- Beland 03:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
This section sounds like a disgruntled citizen trying to convince us of what bad shape the country's health care system is in. Maybe it is, but the point could be made in a less flimsy fashion by substituting more details for broad generalizations - or at the very least, reliable sources to support those generalizations. Toward the end, it is less like a coherent description and more like a list of half-remembered horror stories.
What does it mean that anyone with "a medical reason" can get free health care? How many people in the country don't have any health insurance? Are people in Ireland healthier or sicker than those in other European countries?
This section also contains information which is not in the "main" article, Health care in the Republic of Ireland, so these two pages need to be re-synchronized, with the overall summary here and more details and background there. -- Beland 03:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
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why is the gdp calculated in $ instead of euro
Is this using a completely different concept of External debt than the rest of the world uses? Theres no way in hell the state owes over a trillion to -anyone-, particularly as our (comparatively negligble) national debt is under 40 billion. CIA Factbook puts the states actual external debt at 11B.
If someone has a different meaning for external debt than what everyone else uses, I'd like to hear it... --Kiand 21:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm wondering if perhaps we should make more of a mention of the IDA in both the development and continuance of the growth of the Irish economy? I think it's an important point (particularly given the number of countries trying to emulate the model) and is perhaps a little underplayed in this article. Thanks. Lochdale 21:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
The figure in the info box of 10% is now 9 years old, any one know where this figure comes from and if there is a more upto date figure? Fabhcún 18:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
The article currently has 12 citation needed tags. Please either remove the information until sources are found or begin adding sources as soon as you can. Go through the rest of the article and make sure any other statements that may be questioned over their verifiability has inline citations as well. The article is well put together, but with a quick glance, these citation tags need to be fixed before a full review is given. Feel free to renominate once the inline citations are added. --Nehrams2020 03:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
The lead contains much statistical information about the economy that isn't mentioned elsewhere. Perhaps this could be moved to a "nature of the economy" section and the lead more accurately summarise the article.AleXd (talk) 18:41, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe it could be time to update some of the information and statistics in this article? Many figures such as that of the Population below poverty line and the GDP growth are certainly outdated. For example, it mentions a GDP growth of 4.7% (2005 est.) when the ESRI has estimated it will be -0.4% in 2009. That is a huge difference!). I would update it myself but I lack the knowledge of economics to actually know what I'm doing! 86.42.204.52 (talk) 13:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
The reference no 9 is broken. I have found the same document here: http:// workforall.net /IRELAND_The_wealth_of_the_nation.pdf
I am not sure why but workforall.net is blacklisted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.132.124 (talk) 21:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Recent updates to reflect the current state of affairs (while possibly neccesary) are fast becoming a "news" section. As a suggestion, the anon who has done a lot of good work recently and added much of this may want to consider summarising/integrating content. Instead of adding in a new section for each piece of "news" in the past weeks. It would make for a much more appropriate structure and make for a more readable article. That represents a longer term view... Guliolopez (talk) 01:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Do we need this section? Despite Sarah777's efforts it is still full of conjecture and inaccuracies. Since the recession started in 2008 why not a Recession of 2008 section (most likely) followed eventually by a Recession of 2010 section etc? From the first sentence it is poor: "Ireland has been in recession since second quarter of 2008 and some commentators have claimed it is entering a depression, [38][39] with GDP down over 10%[40][41] and unemployment up 87.5%[42] to 11%[43][44]." GDP down and unemployment up since when? The 2nd quarter of 2008? None of the refs support this. "Influential American economist Paul Krugman has stated that Ireland faces the worst economic outlook in the world[45]. Ireland has the world's highest external debt at 811% of GDP[46] due to excessive Government borrowing and the financial bailout and Nationalisation of Ireland's banks[47] which were loaded with debt due to the Irish property bubble." Complete conjecture as to the cause of the external debt. I doubt it is even accurate. Ireland's external debt at close to 2 trillion must have long predated the current crisis. I could go on but the rest just consists of 'most economists think' without any references for support. Did the author poll the world's economists? Surelay anything salvegable from this section could be added to the next section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.181.78 (talk) 16:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC) they really like soup —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.113.131 (talk) 17:47, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. This is an article on the economy, we don't need unsubstantiated opinions. Title should read Global Recession, Banking Crises, or even Credit Crunch IMO.
Are you willing to re write? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.181.191 (talk) 02:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Reading this whole article one gets the impression that Ireland is currently a wealthy state with just a bit of overconsumption... It is not. I have lived here for 2 years (it is today June 15, 2011), and the economy is totally dysfunctional. In this period net income has dropped by 1/3. Cuts and savings are being made constantly, in order to show Europe 'we can handle the situation'. Fact is, all cuts and reductions to welfare state has saved €289 million over last year. Year-on-year budget deficit (not including interest on loans from ECB/IMF etc) is €18 billion (18000 million!). Write it as it is - Ireland is in fact a default country; counting GNP per capita it is on same level as Greece [that as this is written is negotiating its second bail-out and/or default]. Page really needs proper revision, and correct figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.59.228 (talk) 17:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello
Unfortunately I feel that this article does not meet the criteria for a b-class article: it is incomplete and inaccurate in places, as noted by other editors on this page. It is full of disputations and missing citations and overall not worthy of B class, especially for such an important topic. Best,--Ktlynch (talk) 15:32, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
What are the B class article standards? 70.62.142.66 (talk) 20:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
The second citation[2] says that the GDP fell 1.2%, not is -1.2%. But Google Public Data says that GDP is -5.99, which is more accurate because on second citation[3] says that it fell, not is. 70.62.142.66 (talk) 20:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
The majority of nations have natural resources included in their Economy article - does Ireland really need a separate page? The "Natural resources" article has a lot of issues which I feel would be better handled on this page.Gymnophoria (talk) 16:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I was a bit surprised to see no mention of how much tourism contributed to the economy. Then again I had to search a bit too before I found farming as a part of agri-food so perhaps it is there but under something I don't recognize :) Anyway I thought tourism contributed something like 5% so I'd have though it was big enough to have a mention. Dmcq (talk) 19:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)yes but i still think there is tourism in ireland and that is my finial statement...
There's no link to the source of the numbers about export and import. Can the person who wrote those please refer to his/her source.cause i mean like you dont even know if thats true, so its not really reliable!!!
The result of the proposal was to complete the merge (2012) - which was then completed in 2013. Guliolopez (talk) 12:49, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Two merges (recruitment/resources) were proposed some time ago. Per my related note on the "recruitment" page, I am strongly in favour of a merge/redirect from that article. (The recruitment article was originally a very broad and unencyclopaedic opinion piece. While this has been improved somewhat, I can see no reason to keep it separate. It should ideally be merged into a small sub-section here and a redirect left at the existing article). In terms of the "resources" article, per my related note several years ago, the resources article has had several problems. While some improvements have been forthcoming, the resources article still has problems (scope isn't clear, includes outofdate lists of mining companies, and awkward references to related legislative artefacts). If those can be addressed somewhat, then maybe the resources article can/should remain separate. However, if it can't be salvaged as a whole, then the salvageable pieces should likely be merged here. If there are no objections, I am going to merge the recruitment stuff soon. Would welcome more discussion on the resources article. Guliolopez (talk) 01:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC), a UN/WTO agency that aims to promote sustainable economic development through trade promotion. I would like to propose the addition of an external link (http://www.macmap.org/QuickSearch/FindTariff/FindTariff.aspx?subsite=open_access&country=SCC372%7cIreland&source=1%7CITC) that leads directly to our online database of customs tariffs applied by Ireland. Visitors can easily look up market access information for Ireland by selecting the product and partner of their interest. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3 prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 1) ITC is part of the United Nations, and aims to share trade and market access data on by country and product as a global public good 2) No registration is required to access this information 3) Market access data (Tariffs and non-tariff measures) are regularly updated
Thank you, Divoc (talk) 15:52, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Please do not merge Celtic Phoenix with Economy of the Republic of Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.28.102 (talk) 12:29, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I do not want the Celtic Phoenix article to be merged or deleted. Please give the article more time to allow for the article to be expanded, which you could help by doing so. I know that there is already information on other articles, but this article give more information and references . Let us all agree that the article only needs to be expanded, not deleted or merged. Also, Please do not keep putting up the merge template on the article. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs) 17:18, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Just a light-touch reminder on the WP:NPOV guidelines - as they relate to ensuring that any "positions" on a subject are fair and represented without bias. I note this as I had made some additions to highlight the existence of "other" opinions on the Celtic Phoenix concept. My additions were (IMO) quite "light" relative to WP:UNDUE guidelines. I'm sure it was just an oversight, but my additions were removed, and replaced with "balancing" statements from government sources instead. I have put these back. Other thoughts are obviously welcome, but I wouldn't have thought we should ONLY be representing a government "line" on this subject - as per the related guideline on relying on single or limited sources. Guliolopez (talk) 13:04, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
I am calling on anyone to help with expanding the Celtic Phoenix article.
Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs) 17:02, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
"Ireland-stub" added to article to show the article needs to be expanded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs) 17:12, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
More information had been added onto the article. Please do not remove! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs)
Information added detailing property price growth outpacing Dublin property prices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.4.116 (talk) 12:50, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
LEAVE MY ARTICLE ALONE PLEASE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs) 15:43, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Removing this - it seems to be original research. There are three Google hits for the term, total. One is to this very article, two are from a thread on Reddit where someone aptly points out that "I'm no expert but isn't Fionnuisce completely wrong here? The 'Phoenix' in Phoenix Park in Dublin is just an anglicisation of Fionn Uisce and bears no relation to the bird that rose from the ashes." BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 20:46, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
What is the actual Irish translation for Celtic Phoenix? --DylanMcKaneWiki (talk) 11:57, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Right now, this article is pretty much one person's slant on the so-called "Celtic Phoenix" (a rarely used term) that's better covered elsewhere (with additions from Guliolopez that the OP tried to remove). As the term is a neologism and as the Irish economic recovery-of-sorts is better covered elsewhere, I would be happy for either my deletion proposal or Aronzak's merge proposal to go ahead. Unfortunately, DylanMcKaneWiki and his various IP's seem unwilling to engage on any talk page. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:11, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
I do not want you to delete this page as I created it and people have come along to add more information on. The page still needs more information as it is a new page. I would like if you contribute to the page by helping to expand it rather than delete it. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.107.198.251 (talk) 23:47, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Celtic Phoenix has more information !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs) 13:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I put a lot of hard work into creating this page. Please respect my work !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs) 13:45, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
The article is not that old. Please give it more time to allow for the article to be expanded, which you could help by doing so. I know that there is already information on other articles, but this article give more information and references to the Celtic Phoenix. You can help contribute to the article by helping to add more information to it. Please do not consider deleting or merging this article again. Let us all agree that the article only needs to be expanded, not deleted or merged. Agreed? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs) 14:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I object. Just leave the article alone and move on. Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs) 16:57, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I am left with no other choice but to MERGE this article with the Economy of the Republic of Ireland article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs) 17:10, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
I decided to bring back the Celtic Phoenix article as I believe it deserves an article, like the Celtic Tiger. This article too much will NEVER be merged or deleted!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanMcKaneWiki (talk • contribs) 19:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
As per my other notes on this topic, I still have significant concerns that, while this topic remains a "standalone" article, it seems to serve only as a POVFORK for more "upbeat" opinions on economic "news". It also remains a COATRACK for loosely related developments in the area. (By this I mean that the article largely coins a term (or extends a recently coined and infrequently used term), and then we lump anything that supports that term/concept into it - even if the original publisher or source didn't actually associate the concept with the term itself). In that sense it seems to skirt the WP:OR and WP:SYNTH guidelines. If this article is to remain a standalone, it should be moved to a summary style sub-article that uses a different subject title. But I am still in a merge camp on this... Guliolopez (talk) 12:10, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Apparently no, it doesn't need to be an admin. In the absence of any reasons not to merge being presented, I propose doing the merge tomorrow, 6th June. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 19:55, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
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The title here is wrong. The constitutional name for Ireland is "Ireland" not the Republic of Ireland. See [1]
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.83.253.13 (talk) 17:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: withdrawn per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) sst✈ 09:27, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Economy of the Republic of Ireland → Economy of Ireland – Unnecessary disambiguation. The proposed new title already redirects here. There is no separate article for the economy of Ireland (the island). Also, the term "Economy of Ireland" is used throughout the article. A hatnote may be useful to redirect readers to Ireland#Economy if this move request succeeds. sst✈ 11:00, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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I don't think we should be using Irish GDP (or GNO) statistics in the summary Economy table - the Central Bank of Ireland has proposed GNI* as a better alternative to GDP (which is now so messed up due to Apple and other multinational movements that it has no real meaning). Is an GNI* feed available? thanks Britishfinance (talk) 19:19, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Guliolopez,
1. The flaw is that I think the third sentance re the GDP per cap tables should be taken out. I don't know if you are active in the Irish market / economy, but the replacement of Irish GDP by GNI* is a big deal. Even the latest Irish IMF and OCED reports now quote GNI* beside GDP and GNP in all charts. They will keep calculating GDP (as will the CSO) because they are committed to do so, however nobody defends Irish GDP (or GNP) anymore as a meaningful statistic. However, I take you point re other editors coming along. I will take it up with the WikiProject Economics forum?
2. The other point is the notion that Ireland's economy is a "low-tax" driven economy. I believe it is, and the Irish government, the IDA, the OECD, even the Central Bank describe it as such in speeches and presentations (i.e. it is not a personal view). HOWEVER, I am prepared to be over-ruled on this if you, others, think that this is not appropriate for an intro line ?
Regardless, I am new to this, so thanks for your attention. Kind regards, Britishfinance (talk) 19:52, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Guliolopez.
1. I think on reflection you are right on this. There is now enough text in the summary section to cover the issue. I have followed your earlier advice and raised the GNI* v GDP issue with the Wikiproject Economics team which I think is the right route. Unless there is wide agreement to swap GDP for GNI* in the infobox (and in other places on Wikipedia), then this issue will never get resolved properly and will raise more issues with future editors. I wonder whether we should still have something like "(with caveats on GDP)" after the 3rd sentence on Ireland's GDP ranking. Or would it be overkill? I want the Wikipedia material to show that we are fully alert, and current with events. The fact that the Central Bank has initiated this and the OECD-IMF have already put it into all their reports shows how material this is. I often see sentences like rank 5th, 6th per capita etc. regarding Ireland (especially in State publications) and sigh (everybody is not driving around in Ferraris in Ireland, at least not yet).
2. I see your issue now, and you have a point. Ireland's economy relies on a "low corporate tax" economic model to attract multinationals, but the wider economy has plenty of high taxes. I still think that we should have this in the first sentence (it is such a huge part of what makes Ireland's economy - if not the dominant part). How about something like "The economy of Ireland is a knowledge economy built on a low corporate tax system to attract multinational service providers in high-tech, life sciences and financial services industries". I know you have reservations about Ireland as just a "tax-driven economy" (fair enough), but it is so central to what brings multinationals to Ireland that it would be good to capture it in the first sentence.
Again, thanks for the discussion! Britishfinance (talk) 07:55, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Or at least according to this article. Searching this article on "agriculture" or "farm" produces nothing; "agricultural" turns up only in a document used as a source.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't agriculture been a major part of Ireland's economy for, oh, most of recorded history? Wasn't there this severe potato famine that had a major effect on the country? But since this article is so set on telling us that Ireland is a knowledge economy, I guess it doesn't have time for that. Never mind that more than half the country's total land area is used for agriculture, including forestry, something I found only by Googling. I guess that must not produce much, if any, measurable percentage of the country's GDP, or the article would at least have a subsection. Nor do we apparently need an Agriculture in the Republic of Ireland article. Daniel Case (talk) 22:43, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Per the comments and tags from Daniel Case, and my own notes on both topics, unless there are other thoughts I will likely take a stab at addressing the concerns raised. Specifically, on:
If no other thoughts, I will do this in the coming days. Guliolopez (talk) 09:39, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
DillonTCwiki - you've been reverted by at least three different editors, and you've received warnings from three editors. Why are you trying to force this change to the caption through against consensus and the WP:IMOS? Can you engage with us, please? Secondly, I have to ask, what account have you used to edit with before? BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 19:16, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
It should probably be noted that all Wikipedia pages based on specific countries economics, shows a picture of there business district, or if they have more than one, the bigger or biggest business district. Therefore I see it as best to change the picture to one of the IFSC. B. M. L. Peters (talk) 01:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Why was the Gdp,gdp per capita and more downgraded by so much from 594bil to 516bil 51.37.39.180 (talk) 06:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)