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I believe the name of this article should be changed from Illinois River (Arkansas) to Illinois River (Oklahoma). The Illinois rises in the state of Arkansas, but the great majority of its length is in Oklahoma. The original title of this article was Illinois River (Oklahoma) but it was changed by somebody who apparently thought that, as the Illinois is a tributary of the Arkansas River, the river is located in Arkansas. Comments please. Smallchief (talk01:43, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Your proposal seems reasonable to me. The list of "What links here" shows a lot more links to Oklahoma-related pages than to Arkansas-related pages. Bruin2 (talk) 14:23, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. I say that the best name of this article is Illinois River (Arkansas River). This river goes through more than one state, but it's not the only river with this name in the United States with that name, so the best title for this article is to reveal the body of water this river flows through. Georgia guy (talk) 17:58, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose based on the inconsistency this perpetuates when naming creeks, streams, rivers and similar geographic features. If a river is clearly a Primary Topic then such disambiguation is not required. However if disambiguation is required, which should we use?
The geographic region of where most of the river exists such as Elk River (Tennessee) – river exists in both Alabama and Tennessee and flows into the Tennessee River
The tributary of formulation such as Fountain Creek (Arkansas River)-where the creek is entirely in the state of Colorado. Why isn’t this title Fountain Creek (Colorado)? Which provides the reader more information about where this creek actually is. Additionally there are at least 21 Fountain Creeks and at least three states—IL, IN and WI that have multiple Fountain Creeks. What happens when two Fountain Creeks are tributaries of the same river?
Blackwater River is a DAB page that illustrates the inconsistency perfectly as it contains entries disambiguated both regionally—state, county, etc. and by tributary of construction.
It can get crazy when the multiples streams or rivers with the same name needs disambiguation and they all flow into the same body of water—such as the Atlantic Ocean.
Clearly WP:PLACE allows both types of disambiguation but doesn’t give priority to one or the other. I see no real benefit to WP in making this title change as it just perpetuates a silly inconsistency in our guidance. --Mike Cline (talk) 19:29, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say it was illogical, I said it perpetuates an inconsistency in our place naming convention. Should every river that exists in more than one state that isn't a primary topic be disambiguated this way? They aren't now! That's a guideline issue. I oppose this move because it isn't policy based and perpetuates a silly inconsistency we have in our place naming convention. --Mike Cline (talk) 23:32, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That would be a great argument if our naming guidelines were based on logic. Fountain Creek (Arkansas River) is entirely within the state of Colorado but the title doesn't tell us that. Wouldn't Fountain Creek (Colorado) be a better title? Should Sabine River (Texas–Louisiana) really be Sabine River (Gulf of Mexico)? My opposition is based entirely on the inconsistency in our naming guideline--not any fanatical disamibiguation logic (of which we have far too much).--Mike Cline (talk) 00:01, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the proposed name is confusing. When I first read it I assumed it was referring to a river in the state of Arkansas. The disambiguator looks similar to a hypothetical Illinois River (Arkansas river). I don't really think there's a problem here - the majority of this river's length is in Oklahoma, but if you really think there is a problem, then either Illinois River (Arkansas and Oklahoma), or Illinois River (tributary of Arkansas River) would work better for me. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 17:07, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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It's kind of surprising that there were a few people who support the current title even with the fact that the river isn't entirely in Oklahoma. Do many people think that the river is entirely in Oklahoma?? Georgia guy (talk) 17:43, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Now, using "Illinois River (Arkansas River)" may confuse some, but if the name were meant to indicate that the river is only in Arkansas it would say "Illinois River (Arkansas)". If that's too confusing, how about the Sabine River example and call the page "Illinois River (Oklahoma–Arkansas)" or else call it "Illinois River (Oklahoma/Arkansas)". The current title cannot remain, as it is inaccurate. Personally, I like using Arkansas River for disambiguation purposes. Paris1127 (talk) 17:36, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Illinois River (Oklahoma) → Illinois River (Arkansas–Oklahoma) – Per WP:PRECISE, WP:PLACEDAB and WP:NCRIVER. About half of this river is in one state and half in the other (per this not so great map) so I think it makes sense to inclue both states in the parentheses. (Note that the 2015 RM above was to trade one state name for the other, where this is meant to be more holistic.)