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The result of the move request was: not moved, no consensus to move, and common name. -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:01, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Jagannath → Jagannatha – Though in Hindi the word "Jagannatha" is pronounced as Jagannath (with virama) originally in Oriya[1][2][3]and Sanskrit it is written and pronounced as "Jagannatha". Considering the original language name the page should be moved to "Jagannatha".--SubhaUtter2me! 18:24, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Question; is the name correct, as the Sanskrit form? I believe it is Jagannatha in Sanskrit, and should be written so here. Imc 18:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe 'Jagannatha' is usually spelt as Jagannatha, but pro-nounced as Jagannath when spoken. Maybe spelling should be adjusted? GourangaUK 08:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Every name must be spelled according to its native pronunciation. The very name is pronounced as 'Jagannatha' in Puri itself. We should be least bothered regarding how it is pronounced by Hindi or any Non Oriya tongue. Hence, the existing spelling must be rectified from Jagannath to Jagannatha.--Mwhatw (talk) 10:26, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Jay Jagannatha.I'll say in simple words that, though there are some changes in the pronouncing of Odia words while speaking in other languages. We can't change the actual spelling of the word Jagannatha instead of Jagannath according to other language. So My suggestion is its better to rename it or move it.--Jnanaranjan sahu (talk) 12:46, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
In my opinion, Jagannatha is the right spelling. Please don't stick blindly to the English Language Sources Only, because only a native can make correct spelling and pronunciation to his/her mother tongue. You might have known that, a lot of spellings have been revised and some are in the process of revision according to the original indic spelling /pronunciation. e.g. Calcutta to Kolkata, Orissa to Odisha. Please don't ignore the original spelling in the case of absence of sufficient English language sources. It's not fair. ଜ-Ja ଗ-ga ନ୍ନା-nna ଥ-tha is the right spelling, ask any one who is born and brought up in Odisha. Most of the foreigners who visit Puri, the temple town of Lord Jagannatha, call Jagannatha, Balabhadra and Subhadra as Jaggarnaut, Balvader and Suvadra because they are not accustomed to spell such words. To the local people, it looks very funny. I will also mention that, unlike Hindi and Bengali, Odia language is more saturated in spelling and pronunciation. A word without any vowel sign always ends with vowel sign A,(ଅ अ অ) to make it complete. e.g. ଫୁଲ in Odia is PHULA whereas फुल in Hindi is Phul ফুল in Bengali is Phul. So please look into these aspects also. ସୁରଥ କୁମାର ପାଢ଼ୀ (talk) 17:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
It should be renamed to Shree Jagannatha from jagannath. It is accurate as per the local dialect and how we the people of Puri mention him. The name Jagannath is sounding like a hindi term and is an inaccurate translation of local term into English. Khanti Odia Pua (talk) 06:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
The article currently gives the Oriya spelling as ଜଗନ୍ାଥ, this is composed of the letters JA-GA-NA-virama-AAsign-THA. I think this is illegal Unicode since I am not aware of any semantics for a virama followed by a dependent vowel sign. From what scribblings I can get here by people in Purī, I guess that the sequence without virama ଜଗନାଥ would be correct. Can anyone with knowledge of Oṛiā check? 113.19.60.151 (talk) 16:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi
Today, I browsed the link to see some information on keyword "Jagannath puri". Please refer - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagannath
The very first photograph on right side which states the text below Photograph
"Jagannath (far right) with his brother Balarama (far left) and sister Subhadra (center) in Radhadesh, Belgium"
My question is - why "Belgium" (as a link) is referred here (last word of above text) and what does it signifies ?
Now when i enlarge this photograph the word belgium is no where found.(Also there is no link of Belgium to jaganath Puri as far as i think).
Please refer (for enlarge photo) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jagannath_baladev_subadra_radhadesh.sized.jpg (enlarged)
Any suggestion/solutions on this ?
- Gaurav Bhambri
I am sure there are plenty of alternative histories for Jesus Christ. The idea that Jesus went to India and learned the Vedas is kind of cute, but seems out of place in a Wikipedia article.
209.204.147.112 (talk) 00:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
What? Weeabo-kun2198 (talk) 10:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
I will have to do some research on that, sounds interesting. http://enetarticles.info — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bm009 (talk • contribs) 00:21, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
I will have to do some research on that, sounds interesting. http://enetarticles.info — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bm009 (talk • contribs) 00:21, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
The present article is highly sub-standard keeping in view the breadth & depth of the subject and the information base on the Cult of Lord Jagannath.
Irrelevant material have been placed in the present article.
Contributions from serious users are solicited to clean up and standardize this article, which pertains to a very important aspect of Hinduism.
Softdynamite (talk • contribs) 13:31, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Jay Jagannath. I am excited to see your interest in Lord Jagannath. I have gone through your edits and appreciate those.
1. Your attempt to put Oriya script in the etymology part is laudable, but unfortunately it's still not working. Please consider to attempt with a different font.
2. I disagree with your edit that Jagannath is an 'epitome' of Lord Buddha. Your referred site [ambedkar.org/Tirupati/Chap3.htm], is neo-Buddhist propaganda page and the claims made therin are not reliable. Also for your kind information, Buddhists no longer visit the Jagannath temple for pilgrimage. Also see Buddhist pilgrimage, the name of Lord J. or Puri are completely missing. For the arguments and reasons of scholars like Starza, Panigrahi, Kulke, et al, it is more or less accepted in the academic circles that Buddhist origin of the Lord is redoubtable. The Crypto-Buddhist touch is due to the extensive assimilation that the Jagannath religion has gone through. Therefore, I am undoing certain part of your edits. If you are not satisfied, we will discuss the issue further.
3. Yes, I am sorry, Odia and Odisha are more appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Softdynamite (talk • contribs) 18:36, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Subhasis wrote:
Dear Subhasis,
Jaya Jagannatha. I am an Odia and a native speaker, if it is at all relevant.
1. It is never the assertion that "All Hinduism content are right and Buddhism are wrong" - the impression of Buddhism on the Lord's evolution is too obvious to be ignored. But what I contend is that 'Jagannath' at Puri is not an epitome of Buddha. Even if we accept that Lord J. is a buddhist deity, he can not be equated to Buddha/Gautama. Even in Indrabhuti's Jnana Siddhi, Jagannath was a deity whose consort was Vimala.
2. Use of Odia fonts is a most welcome thing, but if u use an open unicode type font, it would be better and the page would be legible in place of font errors like - "ଜଗନ୍ନାଥ" (5 squares) as I see on the screen. Please consider using *.jpg images in place.
3. Your contention that "simply deleting any content doesn't make the idea weaker that Jagannath doesn't have a similarity with any other Hindu deity" is not in proper direction. In view of this user, the idea that Jagannath is a tribal deity [Jaganeola/Jagana Kittung/Dadhi vaman/Purusottam Narasimha], who has been subsequently assimilated into Hinduism is undoubtable. I certainly agree that the Lord's origins are not in Hinduism, but I strongly disagree that it is Buddhist, instead.
4. Any topic on a deity can never be secular, by whatever measure. There has to be religious angles.
Regards.
(talk • contribs) 22:25, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
The article has many issues to be tackled in its way to GA status:
I will limit my suggestions to these for now and after you have actioned on them, I can present more comments to have achieve GA status.--Redtigerxyz Talk 16:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
started work on improving language and adding references
Comment Initially posted on User talk:Redtigerxyz: I have almost cleaned up and referenced the article Jagannath. About some of the points you made in 2011: Jagannath is believed by many of his devotees to be non sectarian.there are numerous references some of which i have quoted.I have added a note on Jain origins.In an article in the Oxford university journal Avinash Patra calls Jagannath the cause of all avatars and not an avatar. The idea that Jagannath is an avatar is a concept which the Jagannath temple in Puri is trying to impose since 90 years which has been strongly objected to by scholars and devotees. I will search out the new paper articles if you like. Hence these views deserve to be represented.
Could you have a look at the article when you are free. We can discuss and make any modifications
The weak point at present is the article is missing on the ISKCON and Gaudiya Vaishnavism connections.That is something i am not well aware of .If you could add a chapter on that in the article it would be great.
Also I hope to ask for a peer review it soon sids (talk) 16:09, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Jagannath as Krishna is a popular view. In the present context, many RS refer to him as primarily a form of Krishna, a Vaishnava deity.
Redtigerxyz Talk 17:41, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Comment Initially posted on User talk:Sidsahu: Jagannath is referred to as Krishna by many WP:RS. He is primarily a Vaishnava deity. This needs to be noted in the lead. I have collected a list of encyclopaedias/dictionaries/RS that define Jagagannath as a form of Krishna. As before, I will equate Jagannath with Vithoba, a god with many identifications (Buddha, Shiva), but primarily Vaishnava (Krishna-Vishnu). Also, the Krishna is more ancient than 90 years. It is at least found in Sarala's Mahabharata, in which Krishna's corpse somehow transformed into the Jagannath icon. --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:51, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
1) Jagannath is seen as solely a Vaishnav deity by the Vaishnav schools of thought, this view is widespread in people outside east india and in many books referring to such sources 2) For the people of east india Jagannath is thought of as the universal deity with a Vaishnav bias. There r even articles and books to mention Jagannath has both masculine and feminine aspects. He wears sarees and a nose ring to emphasise the dual sexuality of the divine. I didnt add those which would confuse the article more.But there is a very very strong Shakta Tantric and shaiva influence which you must have come across while researching on Vimala Temple which cannot be ignored. 3) Simple put Jagannath gives darshan in the form of any god the devotee desires.In memory of the marathi devotee Ganapaty Bhatt , he dresses once a year and is worshipped as Ganesh In the words of the historian Sir Jadunath Sarkar[1] :
"The diverse religions of Orissa in all ages have tended to gravitate towards and finally merged into the Jagannath worship, at least in theory"
Hope I have made the Jagannath as Vishnu more clear in the intro 2 chapters.Gaudiya Vaishnavism sees him as Vishnu alone and does not support alternate identity Sidsahu (talk) 11:51, 2 December 2012 (UTC) p.s: started work on Vaishnavism section Sidsahu (talk) 12:34, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
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Sidsahu (talk) 12:28, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Jagannath considered as Buddha is not a mainstream view. The Mukherjee ref says that Jagannath = the Hindu Buddha avatar is a Hindu POV. The Jamanadas book claims many Hindu gods/temples like Tirupati, Pandharpur, Draksharama, Sabarimala are Buddhist in nature, not a mainstream views. --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:43, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Sidsahu (talk) 07:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Sidsahu (talk) 08:10, 10 December 2012 (UTC) I think if in the intro Jagannath is worshipped by Buddhists is removed , POV wise i think all will be well. Sidsahu (talk) 14:35, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
@retigerxyz:Have a look, the point you made has been rectified in the lead Sidsahu (talk) 08:10, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
--Redtigerxyz Talk 18:50, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
point 1 : removed. point 2: tried to clarify, will also ask a Wiki Orissa administrator to have a look Sidsahu (talk) 07:29, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
User:MKar has referenced and checked the etymology section,I hope the problem is solved Sidsahu (talk) 14:23, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Sidsahu (talk) 08:37, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
, because puri temple authorities tried to erase the mention of buddha as an avatar of vishnu
Sidsahu (talk) 10:50, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
--Redtigerxyz Talk 06:57, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
--Redtigerxyz Talk 07:14, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Skipping some sections
--Redtigerxyz Talk 07:45, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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The Jagannath#Tribal origins section has this broken English: These assumptions state Jagannath with a class of aborigines, called Savaras, the peculiar shape as a pillar and typical nature of the wooden icon of the deity and his associates, Balabhadra and Subhadra; many scholars have held that Jagannath has originally been a tribal deity of Savara origin. Could someone with access to the sources please reword this to convey some meaning to the reader? Please use simple straightforward sentences. -84user (talk) 13:23, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Note the folowing paragraph is also broken (run-on), but I've tagged it with ((Specify)) because it lacks precise citation. My reason is "need page number and quote from Eschman's book; google search inside finds no match for Nabakalevara, but page 266 mentions renewal but not body. Careful paraphrasing is important to avoid non-encylocpedic synthesis.". -84user (talk) 14:01, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
@Diannaa: This article has had major copyvio and plagiarism issues of at least this source published in 2011 by Oxford University Press with copyright notice (see page 5 onwards, where someone had copied pasted numerous paragraphs without cites and appropriate in-text attribution). I have deleted much, for now, and I am not sure what we can do in terms of hard delete and how far we need to go. Just alerting you for now. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:18, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
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ISKCON MOVEMENT REGARDING JAGANNTH IS TOTALLY BASELESS. This organisation is using Jagannath as a marketing product and misinterpreting the jagannath culture worlwide. So i think this portion should be removed from this place — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prachites (talk • contribs) 19:03, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Chaitanya came to Odisha 500 years back . But the things mentioned here regarding Chaitantya and Odisha Vaihnvaism are totally illogical . kindly remove — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prachites (talk • contribs) 19:05, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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This article lacks some information are very important . We can also add information such as other other names of Jagannath that are Jagabandhū , Jagadhīsa , patitāpāvana. Sanskrit name of Jagannath (जगन्नाथः) . Jagannath in IAST form (Jagannāth) . Jagannath is also worshiped in Nepal and Bhutan as a form of vishnu and buddha. We can contribute more by adding the sign or mark of Jagannath cult that is Neelachakra(blue whee). I can edit this article in a very good manner and I can contribute also. I only want permission. Debiprasad91 (talk) 07:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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I have been observing this article frequently. I found out that people have vandalised and the vandalism has gone unnoticed. I request someone to make this article fully protected to prevent this nuisance. Nishānt Omm (talk) 06:22, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
The Buddhist origin section has been maliciously written and making statements that are not mentioned in the referenced sources, particularly from Starza and Abhinav Patra. I have decided to edit it to so as to remove the biases.
In the tooth relic section -"However, this is a weak justification because some other traditions such as those in Jainism and tribal folk religions too have had instances of preserving and venerating relics of the dead."
Starza only commented on the use of bones, tooth relic, ratha yatra bearing resemblance to a similar pocession mentioned Faxian and Jagannath being identified as the ninth avatar like Buddha. He said these manifestations of the cult are not sufficient to establish a Buddhist origin.
Also, "The same ancient monastic practice of 3-4 months temporary retirement of all monks and nuns, to take shelter at one place during the heavy rainfalls of monsoons, is found in the Hindu and Jain monastic traditions." note is not mentioned in the sources used as reference.
The caste system section is written with a lot of bad intent trying to imply its only supported by "colonial era Indologists and Christian missionaries". Hence I have added a reference to an Indian source by Archana Kanungo published by Govt. of Odisha directly.
The Sarala Das section is the worst. Here the editor is just pushing his own opinion - "However, in some these references Buddha is mentioned as incarnation of Vishnu or Jagannath, not vice versa, therefore Jagannath is considered as the source of all incarnations. Furthermore, the mention of Buddha as part of ten avatara was prevalent across many Hindu sects other than Jagannath cult and was a broader movement in Vaishnavism to incorporate Buddha as one of the ten main avatara of Vishnu between fifth and the sixth century, who was in turn linked with Jagannath as a source of all avataras starting from Jayadeva of 12th century. So, the mention of Buddha as Jagannath does not proof the Buddhist origin of Jagannath, rather assimilation of Buddha in Hinduism." He referenced multiple sources(including some hindu encyclopedias) that just talk about Buddha being the ninth avatar of Vishnu. None of these sources talk about Jagannath. Hence, I have moved them to the relevant paragraph. A lot of these sources actually have nothing to do with the topic of Jagannath originating from Buddha. Witchilich (talk) 10:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)