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I think BM / Boyevaya Mashina should be translated "combat vehicle" or "fighting vehicle" rather than "battle machine". Bukvoed 10:26, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't know. "Battle Machine" has a nice ring to it.
-G
"The weapon was also known as a "Stalin Organ" (or Stalinorgel in German), so named by German troops due to the sound of its rockets, and its organ-like appearance (the missile tubes were arranged in parallel along its back, just as organ tubes are arranged)." (emphasis added)
The usual wording is "organ pipes". It's no big deal, but I'll change it. (OTOH, I see from today's paper that it was a big deal for Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) when, advocating his telecommunications bill, he spoke of "Internet tubes" instead of pipes.) --ChrisWinter 22:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I seem to recall that it was the Russian nickname that resulted from the sound they made. The multi-faceted noise the rockets made upon launching sort of sounded like: "kut-YOOSH-ah." I can't remember where I read or heard this and could not find a confirmation on the 'net.--Hezekiah-1812 19:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
No doubt the song inspired. But why that song and not another? And why nickname that weapon and not another with that song. I think the nexus is onomatopoeia--which I can barely spell, let alone prove. Is there a Russian source I might query?Hezekiah-1812 19:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
First Katyushas was marked latter K after Komentern plant where they was made. The song was extremely popular at that time and soldiers liked to give nicknames to weapon using first letter of official name. For example, artillery cannon M-30 was nicknamed as Matushka (Mother). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.146.76.194 (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
There is no evidence that Katyushas reach a whopping ~150 kilometers. This is completely unfounded. At least not in the hands of the Hizbollah.
Could be referring to Zelzal missiles (see IDF concerned missiles could hit central Israel) -- 131.6.84.67 13:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Langemak was arrested and executed in 1937, but Katyusha launcher development was authorized in 1938 and completed in August 1939. I presume that Langemak designed the RS-132 rockets, so I will move this information to that article. —Michael Z. 2006-08-04 02:09 Z
I'm removing the following text again:
They did not design the Katyusha: as the article states, it was designed after Langemak was dead. I assume they designed the RS-132 aircraft rocket, so I already moved this text to that article. The Katyusha is a series self-propelled multiple rocket launchers, which fire the M-13 and other rockets, which are a modified design based on Langemak's aircraft rockets. —Michael Z. 2006-08-05 13:41 Z
This statement needs a reference. —Michael Z. 2006-08-04 02:22 Z
I find this statement highly doubtful. Since reference does not seem forthcoming, I propose deletion. Asgrrr 01:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, doubtful. Chertok talks about the development as more of a skunk works project. THey were almost afraid to demonstrate it to visiting generals, because it was not really an authorized project. I believe if the Soviets had copied the Nebelwerfer, it would have had a more similar appearance. DonPMitchell (talk) 23:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Should this be moved to a name which makes the subject of the article self-evident? Suggestions:
I like no. 1. —Michael Z. 2006-08-04 05:59 Z
Do we need some mention of the weapons current role in the Israel Lebanon conflict? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.108.152.163 (talk • contribs) .
The following was added by an anonymous contributor:
"The fact that Katyusha Rockets are a Russian weapon has been lost in a maze of Islamist and Arab enemies, each assisting the other behind the scenes. Russia’s role is usually omitted, or chalked up to the economics of arms sales instead of strategic malice." - Is there a Secret Syrian-Iranian-Russian Alliance?, by J. R. Nyquist
All this says is "Russia's role is omitted", and doesn't describe that role, or even unambiguously say there is one. I haven't seen any information that the Katyusha weapons being used by Hezbollah (if indeed those are the ones this quote is alluding to) or their ammunition is manufactured in Russia. Perhaps the source has more information, but as it is inserted into this article, this quotation seems to constitute innuendo and nothing more. I'm removing it, barring some justification or the replacement with a quotation which actually says something. —Michael Z. 2006-09-01 18:04 Z
I don't really see how the photo of a partially wrecked apartment building in Haifa contributes to this article. It's a current event documentary photo, and doesn't say anything about Katyusha rocket launchers. Is there a good reason not to remove it? —Michael Z. 2006-09-15 00:40 Z
, due to the similarity of the pitch of the rocket firing sound and the pitch of the crecendo of the beginning of the third line of each stanza of the song.
This is so specific that it really needs to be confirmed by a reference. —Michael Z. 2006-10-11 17:21 Z
Any objection to moving this article to Katyusha rocket launcher? This would make the title self-explanatory and disambiguating when it appears in lists and search results. Optimized for general-audience readers, as recommended by Wikipedia:Naming conventions . —Michael Z. 2006-12-14 06:36 Z
There's a general problem with the article because the name suggests that Hezbollah and at other conflict areas in the world milicias are using the WW-II-rocket-launchers. Why and who made the errorousely merging from Kayusha (rocket) into this article? Try a Google search for Katyusha and 99+ percent of the hits link to the Hezbollah used rocket, not to the launcher called Stalinorgel by German soldiers in WW2. In strongly recommend to revert this measure. --213.155.224.232 11:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
According to the article RS-82 rocket RS doesn't mean Raketny Snaryad but Reaktivny Snaryad. – Ilse@ 00:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd expect Katyusha's would be copied by other countries, including Germany in WWII and Western Allies. This should be described.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 16:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Germany had a different phylosophy in rocket engineering. German rockets like the Wasserfall (Stinger's Grandfather) developed in the direction of liquid fuel, which is efficient in larger rockets and finally led to the V2 and later to spacecrafts like Wostock or Apollo. Solid fuel Rockets like Katjuscha are tendetially used for smaller rockets, like Quasam and of course fireworks. The Space Shuttle's Booster however shoes, that solid fuel Rockets can also be use in a large scale. Resources may be a reason too, Solid fuel rockets require nitre, which means making Hydrogen from coal, making amonia from hydrogen (Haber-Bosch) and Nitric acid from amonia (Oswald). Nitric acid however may be better invested in warheads and bombs. Liquid fuel Rockets require liquid Oxigen - made from air under high pressure - and Alkohol - made from potatoes. In general, Russia has better recources (what you need for solid fuel rockets) and Germany has better Engineering (what you need for liquid fuel rockets). Recources were also important for the V2. Building a V2 costed the same as building a bomber, but you don't need oil (and don't risk the life of your people). -- 62.227.193.5 (talk) 20:03, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Section "Katyushas since World War II" contain information about stereotypes.--Berserkerus 14:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
A mention could be made of the Katyushas use at Dien Bien Phu during the First Indochina War: "From about 4pm on 6 May [1954]. . . saw the unleashing of a wholly new weapon in Heavy Division 351's armoury: the 'Stalin organs'. These six tube banks of Chinese rocket projectors announced their presence with a monstrous screeching" - Windrow, Martin, The Last Valley pg 600-601 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.156.90.233 (talk) 16:06, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
What exactly is a Katyusha? It's not the BM-13 specifically, so is it just a Russian term for multiple rocket launchers in general? —Masterblooregard (talk) 12:07, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
"Jet shell" is not a perfect translation for reaktivnyy snaryad, because jet propulsion usually refers to something which is not a rocket. Perhaps it could be translated directly as "reactive shell", or perhaps "impulse shell", in reference to the propulsion method. —Michael Z. 2007-08-03 19:46 Z
The section Katyusha#Operators makes no sense in this article. This is about a series of obsolete models. The references are flaky, too:
Maybe the operators section can be written as a historical survey (although the article already is that), but the current state is useless. I'm removing it. —Michael Z. 2007-10-25 02:42 Z
Good job-it has passed its GA. The images are very nice, and most of the references are good. However, you may want to take a look at the comments raised above about the globalsecurity.org. I was willing to overlook it because it was a relatively minor issue, but it would be nice to see it fixed. Cheers, ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ Drop me a lineReview Me! 15:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I have been looking through recent GA reviews and came upon the one that was completed on this article on August 25th. The reviewer, who appears to be rather inexperienced, may have been slightly hasty in passing this article as a GA. The article itself is good; my main concern is with formatting and referencing issues. I am not going to take the article to GAR right now, but below is a list of issues that the lead editor may want to address:
As I said before, I am not delisting this article as a GA, nor am I taking it to GAR. However, I would strongly suggest that the editors address the points above, so that these steps are not taken against the article in the future by another editor. Drop a note on my talk page if you have any questions about these comments, as I am not watchlisting this page. Dana boomer (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
The english article doesn't cover a lot of important history (check the Russian wikipedia article, with babelfish if necessary). After the war, Kostikov the head of RNII was given a lot of credit for Katyusha. By the mid 1950s, Korolev and Glushko both worked to correct the history and give credit to Langemak. Kostikov had denounced Langemak, Kleimentov, Korolev and Glushko, contributing to their arrests and in the case of Langemak and Kleimentov, their executions. Korolev later called Kostikov a "scoundrel" and clearly believed he had acted ruthelssly to advance his own career. Kostikov assumed leaderhip of RNII after the purge. In 1991, Langemak and Kleimentov (and some others) were posthumously awarded Hero of Socialist Labor, for their role in inventing and developing Katyusha.
I read somewhere (ugh, where?) that Korolev and Glushko wrote a scathing article in the BSE about Kostikov in the mid 1950s. I own a 1980s edition of the encyclopedia, and there is no article about Kostikov at all! I suppose he was just considered an embarassment.
There is also some intersting history with regard to Gvai and Tikhomerov, both of whom patented smokeless-powder rockets about the same time in the 1920s. Gvai ended up in prison for a while, which allowed Tikhomerov to develop the idea exclusively. I recall reading there was some controversy there that would be worth looking into. DonPMitchell (talk) 19:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Someone redirected BM-14 to here, so now there's nothing about it. Should this article cover any post-WWII launchers, or should the other be restored? --ZBrisk (talk) 23:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
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also the experimental Klementi Vorochilov KV-6 Behemoth of 1941 had a rocket launcher to one of its turrets — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:580:F197:9600:451B:B887:DDFD:8550 (talk) 21:26, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
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There used to be an audio file of the katyushas launching. What happened to it? I tried the links from the bot-posted section, but they all led to a deleted file with no explanation. Why was it deleted? DrZygote214 (talk) 12:56, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
There doesn't appear to be any discussion in this article or the linked "variants" articles regarding the design of the rockets themselves. 125.254.43.66 (talk) 02:05, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
“Katyusha” is a name, indicated by its capitalization, not a foreign term that should be italicized (see MOS:FOREIGNITALIC). This also aligns with prevailing usage: the OED’s citations only have the term capitalized in the first 1955 example; in the first page of Google Books results for the term, only one source has it italicized at all, and not consistently.
I’ll remove italics from the article. —Michael Z. 2016-12-07 19:45 z
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Why does it say used by Soviet Union and others? Who are the others? MadHatterMusk (talk) 01:52, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
This article is missing many inline citations. Is it time for WP:GAR? User:Mzajac. Schierbecker (talk) 07:29, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
In this article it is claimed, it happened on July 14, 1941 - citing Eremenko ( I guess it is Yeremenko).
However according to Marshal Yeremenko it was on July 15, 1941 : " We first tried out this superb weapon at Rudnaya, north-west of Smolensk. In the afternoon of July 15, the earth shook with the unusual explosion of jet mines. Like red tailed comets, the mines were hurled into the air. The frequent and dazzling explosions, the like of which had never been seen, struck the imagination. The effect of the simultaneous explosion of dozen of these mines was terrific. The Germans fled in panic, and even our own troops near the point of of the explosions, who for reasons of secrecy had not been warned that this new weapon would be used, rushed back from the front line."
Source: Voyenno-istoricheskii zhurnal (Historico-Military Journal), 1959, No. 1, p. 51 , quoted by IVOVSS , printed in Alexander Werth, Russia at War, 1941-1945. : https://books.google.dk/books?redir_esc=y&hl=da&id=v2SCDwAAQBAJ&q=yeremenko#v=snippet&q=yeremenko&f=false
Would someone please double check which date is correct ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.71.142.188 (talk) 13:31, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations. It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited. In my opinion the article qualifies as a "quick fail" according to at least WP:GAFAIL (#3).
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A 2008 nominee with large amounts of unsourced content including uncited statistics.
Concerns have been raised since the day after the GA review in August 2008. The nominator is still active, however. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:34, 28 April 2023 (UTC)