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Is a controversial organization and worthy of a section of her own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.212.107.47 (talk) 20:29, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
OK, my attention was called to this from a posting at WP:COIN. Some crazy edit-warring go on here. I've requested full page protection for a few days while you all sort out your issues. Please come to Talk and discuss the issues. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 23:02, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Seems like some editors are addiing content about islamic relief, namely:
Ok, so that is the story so far. You all need to talk out the differences here and stop edit warring. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 23:22, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
And for disclosure, Barredono is an employee of the firm. I have no relation to company. Richie1921 (talk) 00:53, 30 March 2015 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Barredondo
Let us address the fact that this whole page is marketing material and not worthy of Wikipedia. This reads like an ad. I was attempting to clean it up and ask assistance doing so. Richie1921 (talk) 00:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raben_Group
The page as is uses marketing materials, not facts. Representing a terror organization has attracted media and that's what causing them to try and clean the site of what belongs as lead. Richie1921 (talk) 00:48, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Authentic worthwhile sources - not from this company website
terror: http://www.newsmax.com/RonnTorossian/Hamas-Terror-Raben-Group-Lobby/2015/03/27/id/634911/
http://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/4308/2015-03-26/raben-comes-relief-islamic-relief.html
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/terrorist-organization-hires-washington-d-c-lobbying-firm/2015/03/27/?shared=emailmsg=fail
Guns:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/26/rapid-deployment-shotspotter-controversial-urban-microphone-system-aided-aggressive-lobbying/
Richie1921 (talk) 00:51, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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remove all the marketing materials and revert to what the page was before barrendo - who is a raben group employee - made this a marketing page for the company. all my edits are legit. Richie1921 (talk) 00:54, 30 March 2015 (UTC) Richie1921 (talk) 00:54, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Raben_Group&oldid=653939480 - as the page now is a marketing tool for the company which a self admitted employee created. The page as presented there would be accurate and what is now on page is marketing 01:01, 30 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie1921 (talk • contribs)
2 primary edits 1 - The information regarding terrorist representation be restored. 2 - Profile & policy breakfasts sections be removed. They are fluff. and not Wikipedia worthy. Richie1921 (talk) 01:10, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
those are major edits. that the marketing fluff be removed. and that the terrorist representation be restored. and if the sources aren't wiki worthy then the page is not wiki worthy as they have no wsj or nyt sources. thank you ~~`~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie1921 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
References
<protected edit request removed> Ick. The whole article is written like an advert. PR-speak like "the value-based firm drives progressive public policy..." and so on does not inspire confidence in the objectivity of the article.
My specific request? WP:TNT. Seriously. Start over from a clean slate and gradually introduce material, building consensus along the way. The article is short enough that this wouldn't be too burdensome. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:58, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Here is a new article which ran in a very major Washington DC outlet on this issue. It must be relevant. http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/237255-islamic-terror-organization-taps-dc-lobbying-firm Richie1921 (talk) 19:57, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Potential Outline of a Rewrite
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[hide] • 1 Profile • 2 Clients • 3 References • 4 External links Profile Founded in 2001, the firm's founder,. [7] Robert Raben has been described as a top lobbyist by The Washingtonian,[8] The Hill,[9] and Washington Life Magazine.[7] Raben has noted that “I was very deliberate about that and very focused on our work reflecting and serving the community. I’m interested in how power is distributed in this country and what we can do to change that. We are a value-driven firm.” [10] Clients In March 2015, the Raben Group was hired by controversial organization Islamic Relief Worldwide, whom has been banned as a terror organization in Israel & Russia. Numerous publications referred to the organization as a Hamas front organization. http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/237255-islamic-terror-organization-taps-dc-lobbying-firm Richie1921 (talk) 19:57, 30 March 2015 (UTC) [11] [12] [13] Another client, ShotSpotter uses revolutionary technology to " detect, locate and report gunshots to police. Critics worry that the microphones are prone to false alarms, and more troubling, appear to vacuum up street-level conversations in the neighborhoods where it has been installed." Raben Group is one of four lobbying companies they use. [14] In 2013, The March on Washington Film Festival [15] was founded by Robert Raben, The Raben Group and Victoria Bassetti. The inaugural festival sought to honor the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, tell stories of the Civil Rights Era, and motivate a new generation of activists. References 1. Jump up ^ "The Raben Group". OpenSecrets.org. Retrieved 7 August 2012. 2. Jump up ^ "About The Raben Group". 3. Jump up ^ "The Raben Group homepage". 4. Jump up ^ http://www.rabengroup.com/our-people 5. Jump up ^ http://www.newsmax.com/RonnTorossian/Hamas-Terror-Raben-Group-Lobby/2015/03/27/id/634911/ 6. Jump up ^ http://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/4308/2015-03-26/raben-comes-relief-islamic-relief.html 7. ^ Jump up to: a b Staff (1 May 2009). "The 2009 Power 100". Washington Life Magazine. 8. Jump up ^ Eisler, Kim (1 June 2007). "Hired Guns: The City's 50 Top Lobbyists". The Washingtonian. 9. Jump up ^ "Top Lobbyists: Hired Guns". The Hill. 14 May 2009. 10. Jump up ^ Guadalupe, Patricia (Spring 2013). "Power Players". Latinomagazine.com. 11. Jump up ^ http://www.newsmax.com/RonnTorossian/Hamas-Terror-Raben-Group-Lobby/2015/03/27/id/634911/ 12. Jump up ^ http://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/4308/2015-03-26/raben-comes-relief-islamic-relief.html 13. Jump up ^ http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/terrorist-organization-hires-washington-d-c-lobbying-firm/2015/03/27/?shared=emailmsg=fail 14. Jump up ^ https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/26/rapid-deployment-shotspotter-controversial-urban-microphone-system-aided-aggressive-lobbying/ 15. Jump up ^ "About the Festival". The March on Washington Film Festival. |
Richie1921 (talk) 19:57, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Remove sections on Profile & policy breakfasts as they are marketing fluff. Richie1921 (talk) 20:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
I read this again and agree with WP:TNT. Would everybody agree to stubify this and leave just the lead, and then rebuild? thx for the suggestion, Short Brigade Harvester Boris. I'll start looking for good sources today, to rebuild from. Jytdog (talk) 13:38, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
OK, Short harvester proposed it, so he will agree, so i am going to go ahead and make the request:
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Per the discussion above, please stubify the article, removing all content other than the lead. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 22:09, 31 March 2015 (UTC) Is someone making this change please so we can start to clean this up from a marketing material created by an employeeRichie1921 (talk) 03:31, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Regarding "sources" I have already provided sources and you rejected the largest jewish newspaper in America and a major Washington dc publication and you said they aren't reliable. As I said if not then the whole article does not belong. Anyway, lets start fixing the above and then can make more major changes. If have to wait 3 days, will. Thanks. Richie1921 (talk) 10:50, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Done TNT'ed. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:57, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
did a google search 15 pages in, searched NY Times site and WaPo site. here are some sources that we can use to start rebuilding... some I need to check at RSN to see if they are reliable or not.
a start.. Jytdog (talk) 12:13, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Here is something I think is absolutely worthwhile as a lead that they represent terror organization: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/237255-islamic-terror-organization-taps-dc-lobbying-firm largest jewish newspaper in America: http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/terrorist-organization-hires-washington-d-c-lobbying-firm/2015/03/27/0/?print Opinion of allen West: http://allenbwest.com/2015/04/american-firm-picks-up-islamic-terror-organization-as-a-new-client/ Richie1921 (talk) 16:59, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Since there is consensus on need for Islamic Rights Worldwide in the story, onto the next one.
This should be present
Raben Group Work For Pornography Industry
The Raben Group has worked extensively for the pornography industry, helping to raise awareness of pornography in Washington, and lobbying to tax adult entertainment online. 3 separate soruces:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/inside-washington-20080419
Striking blondes have a way of getting attention in D.C. That’s a sure bet for adult-film starlet Stormy Daniels, who will represent the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection at the National Press Club on May 29. The Los Angeles-based group of porn producers wants to keep adult Internet content away from kids. Online child safety has been a key issue for the Justice Department and has prompted hearings, legislation, and self-regulatory actions by industry, such as ASACP’s own online warning-label program. ASACP, whose inside-the-Beltway exposure has been scarce, has hired the Raben Group to raise its image in the public policy realm.
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/2598-companies-hire-washington-lobbyists-before-bad-news-breaks Another victim of bad PR — the adult-film industry — similarly has increased its presence here. Upset that it was the subject of critical Senate hearings into adult films and not given a chance to dispute the charges, adult-film makers formed the Free Speech Coalition and hired the Raben Group. “When you are treated that way, you know, we felt maybe we needed some professional help,” said Kat Sunlove, the director of legislative affairs for the Coalition, which is based in California. Sunlove said the Raben Group, which specializes in civil-rights law, has helped set up meetings between adult-film representatives and staffers to educate Congress on such things as how the Internet has affected the industry and what the industry is doing to protect against child pornography.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR2005111602116.html Raben says his team is going to be working on building coalitions with other groups in Washington concerned about free speech and government regulation. And they'll probably be fighting congressional efforts to restrict Internet content and to tax adult entertainment online Richie1921 (talk) 02:33, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
just looked at them again.
both written by Ronn Torossian, whose article is beset by sockpuppeting. (see Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Ronn_Torossian. Richie is now banned. Was probably another. Jytdog (talk) 18:38, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
after building the article back, it was clear to me that we had only a stub here. I merged it per the subject. Jytdog (talk) 18:59, 4 April 2015 (UTC)