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Right now the homepage of The Times online outlet ([1] has the headline titled "Chinese mob seeks revenge against Uighurs" and click it the title becomes "Chinese Han mob marches for revenge against Uighurs after rampage.' Reading through this "report" and several previous related pieces, I find high bias. For example, Han Chinese are "mob" and Uighurs are "protesters" or even "victims". The second paragraph of this "report" says "Men and women of all ages, girls in high heels and young men in smart white shirts, brandished wooden staves, billiard cues, iron bars and even machetes as they surged towards the main city bazaar." and yet on the 6 images accompanied it, I can hardly identify any woman among the "mob" and further, where were the girls in high heals? Four of the 6 images are "mob" Han Chinese "well-armed" with "wooden staves, billiard cues, iron bars and even machetes" and other two are Uighur women bravely/boldly defying or confronting [those two mostly likely from unrelated incidents from the riot reported by this one]. Enough being said.
Being a Han Chinese livng in U.S.A. seeking the truth of the event, I hate the Chinese government controlled "news" media and other brainwashing machines and I highly doubt anything from those washing machines. The professional and ethical standards exibited from this Times Online article and other related reports are no better than those by the controlled media and washing machines. Very disappointed. "Newspaper of record"? That's ridiculous. --Minimeme (talk) 14:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
This article seems to be quite sparse on sources especially in it's coverage of the paper's early history. It would be very helpful if these could be added. 212.219.220.116 (talk) 18:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
As a interesting query (to a "better late than never" addenda), shouldn't this article be (and begin and continue with) "the Times", without a capital "T", or is this simply ignorance talking here? What do the editors of "The Times" think...?
Have deleted statement that it is "preserved in the British Library's newspaper library in that capacity". It has no special status amongst all the other newspapers in the library <http://www.bl.uk/collections/newspapers.html>. Devoxo 12:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
" It was purchased by Rupert Murdoch's News International in 1981. The Sun, being part of the same stable (having once featured a topless model on page three), the first News International Times featured a full-page Spirit of Ecstacy Rolls-Royce advertisment on page three."
Seems to be a grammatical error or something, that sentence doesn't make sense to me.
The Times is not so easily categorised as reflecting the conservative views of its proprietor, Rupert Murdoch. In its general worldview it certainly reflects his economic conservatism, but in terms of British politics it has supported Tony Blair and New Labour at the last two elections. This may be a reflection of the extent to which, under Blair, the Labour Party has drifted to the right, or it may reflect Mr Murdoch's desire always to be on the winning side. Either way it is becoming increasingly known in national political circles as being the in-house journal of New Labour.
As far as I know one can still choose to buy The Times standard broadsheet size. The 'compact' edition hasn't yet replaced it altogether.
It has, as of 1st November 2004. You might be thinking of the Sunday edition, The Sunday Times, which remains broadsheet. As far as I am concerned, the broadsheet is a sad loss. The Times is still a good paper, but has so less authority as a tabloid. From a commercial point of view, however, you can't argue with Murdoch's decision. All of the old Times correspondents are there, which means he only lost around 15,000 readers to the Telegraph. Personally I read The Times, Telegraph, Guardian and FT, and out of those, I think that the FT is the best quality with the other 3 about the same.--Mrclarke 17:02, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Actually, The Times is owned by Rupert Murdoch, Stan Zegel, and several (million) other shareholders. While Mr. Murdoch may own more shares than me, I own more than some others. It would be just as accurate to say it is "owned by Stan Zegel" but even more accurate to say it is "owned by News Corporation, headed by Rupert Murdoch."--StanZegel 05:10, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Rich Farmbrough 14:44, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yes--I'd like to know what typeface they are using now that they aren't using Times New Roman; I can't seem to find this information anywhere. Rdr0 21:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
TNR, designed by Stanley Morrison I think, was only used for a year, 1931-32, and was replaced by Europa. Not sure if this is still is being used since the newspaper turned "compact". I think these details inclusion would be comparatively trivial while the article is still at the embryonic stage, comparatively speaking. Philip Cross 21:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
They are using a variant called "Times Classic" which has been bespoke designed for them and not released for general sale. Haddocky 09:47, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I disagree that the term "quality" is appropriate without qualification in the opening sentence. ABC is not a repository of standard English, and to me the term "quality newspaper" means "a newspaper of high quality". It is certainly debatable that the Times is of high quality (personally I'd say that its quality has suffered a steep decline during Murdoch's reign and that it is a mediocre publication nowadays). In the interests of NPOV, I will therefore excise this word from the opening sentence again in a few days time unless I am convinced that this is a bad move. Lupin 15:11, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
After I finished reading the Wikipedia article on the Times I did not have a clear impression as to its position on a newspaper quality scale in the UK in 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.30.66.43 (talk) 17:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia have it ??? where ?
here is just a part...
On the Monotype / Linotype question, I am fairly sure that the relevant company is Linotype (whose machines could produce a whole line of type at a time - important for high speed newspaper production) but the history of the two companies is a bit intertwined and confusing.
One thing I am sure of is that The Times was instrumental in the development of the typeface and the key designer was employed directly by The Times
Note the 'Times Digital Archive' from 1795-1985 is online and available by subscription. Many local authorities in the UK have subscribed to the archive for their public libraries and ayone in possesion of a library card can access the archive from the comfort of their own home. Jooler 11:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Until the 10th September, The Times was classified as centre-right, when it was changed by Bergenhaus to centre. I think that, overall, it is centre-right, so have reverted the change. (By the way, I mistakenly pressed "save page" too early - I meant my edit-comment to be "The Times is not centrist overall - it is centre-right".) Ojcookies 04:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
The Guardian is considered to be the preeminant centre left newspaer in Britain, the Times is not on the same political wavelength as this - more centrist/centre right —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.66.216 (talk) 03:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
guillem balague writes for the times, i included him in th list at the bottom.
The addition of E.S. Dallas's three years as a "special correspondent" for The Times isn't really significant in the newspaper's history. Given that the only other journalist mentioned in this section is W.H. Russell, the first dedicated war correspondent, Dallas would have to have achieved something very special to warrant a mention. I will remove the addition tomorrow unless someone can produce evidence of his historical significance. (There is scant evidence of this in the Wikipedia stub on him. He appears to be known principally for having written for The Times.) Le poulet noir 21:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I agree with you and will remove the reference to E. S. Dallas. I was looking for a way to reverese link The Times with E. S. Dallas and came up with this insertion. Perhaps what is needed is a seperate article listing like Journalists of The Times? In other words, a place where we could reverse link articles about journalists indirectly with the main article of Tne Times. Aletheia 16:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I was going to suggest a separate section (or, possibly, a separate entry) myself. It would be useful to find a bank of worthy names to help get it started. Any suggestions, anyone? Le poulet noir 19:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
This comment is not backed up by the cited source [2]. It claims that Murdoch interfered with the editorial line in the early days, and it claimed that the Sunday Times had a Pro-Conservative editorial line imposed upon it. The comment relates to the Sunday Times, Pro-Conservative is very different to NeoConservative, One cannot infer from the actions of Mr Murdoch in the past what his actions of the present may be. As such the comment is un-encyclopedic and reflects a POV. --Chopz 18:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
This is a question that I was just wondering in my AP Politics class. Is The Times subsidized by the British government, after the free market reforms of Thatcher, or is it privatized? Vagrant
The Times is not, and never has been, subsidised by any government. No national or regional newspapers in Britain are subsidised by the Government. You seem to be confusing Britain with the Soviet Union and The Times with Pravda. Le poulet noir 15:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
The article currently has the line:
In all the images I see of the paper at timesonline.co.uk, the headlines all appear to use a serif font.
Can somebody verify this? - Dharris 15:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Most headlines are serif, but there's a bit of a mix. Soaringgoldeneagle 12:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Has The Times ever published a weekly edition for the ex-pat market? I've read about "weekly Times" being sent out to the Far East from the UK in the late 40s: is this the Times proper or another (perhaps local) paper going by the name? If the former, I was surprised by this as I thought the weekly Guardians etc were a relatively new development. 217.155.195.19 15:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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Rather than just a list of the supplements, I'd suggest it'd be more useful for a general 'Layout' section. As it stands, all the supplements are described, but you get no description of what the actual papaer looks like (news with comment in the middle, world news, business, register, sport - pretty standard though this is) and no room for mention of, say, the Times Crossword (only mentioned in this article currently as a contrast to the times2 crossword). I might have a crack at this myself in a bit.--PaulTaylor 19:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
THE TIMES OF EARTH <http://www.timesofearth.com>. is a leading Internet destination dedicated to bring you World News, World Business ,Science / Technology ,Sports, Health,Weather and Horoscope/Photos/Video. Our primary objective is to bring "news as it happens"quality news which is impartial, timely and independent. Our equally important other objective is to make this a web community for all people around the world .
Not sure what is meant by the Books remark: "The only supplement with a quality newspaper devoted to book reviews, features and interviews." Is the article's author unaware of the New York Times' Book section, or is this intended to imply something about it? Just inquiring. RayEtheridge (talk) 13:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I wish intellectual Americans would stop referring to The New York Times as "The Times" and The Times as "The Times Of London" or "The London Times" - there are no such papers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phyte (talk • contribs) 22:28, 27 July 2007
Changed pollitcal allegiance from 'Centre-right (in recent times more centre-left)' to 'Centre-right (in recent times more central)' Given that the Guardian and Independent are described as centre left I think this reflects the position of The Times better. 90.199.47.138 (talk) 16:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
There's no mention of the Koenig & Bauer steam-powered pressing of The Times in (November) 1814 which ostensibly heralded the start of mass media printing. This is noteworthy but my lack of academic historical rigour precludes me from doing the honours and adding it. Who cares to assist? --John Gibbard (talk) 13:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
The Times does a lot of coverage on Christian issues and news. Does it claim any particular christian heritage in its editorial identity ? It has more than one religion reporter. However, some apparently feel that it has an anti-Catholic slant. [3] ADM (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I've deleted the purported quotation from The Times editorials of July 31 1914, since I can't find it in the online facsimile of the Times for that day (which I've been looking at for other reasons). The quote would be startlingly different in style and tone from other contemporary editorial content in The Times, whether or not it reflects Steed's actual views, of which I'm afraid I'm ignorant.
Like many other newspapers, it would be a good idea to note what positions The Times has taken in the Mideast conflict. I don't think I would be mistaken if I asserted that Rupert Murdoch is on the record as being a supporter of Israel. ADM (talk) 04:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
According to this article, which appears authoritative, the nickname "The Thunderer" dates from a particular incident in 1830. This doesn't seem quite compatible with the version given here, especially the quotation. Astarabadi (talk) 00:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the Category:Critics of Wikipedia, I have done this because it appeared that the category was placed here as a result of one source: [4]. The times its self is not a critic of wikipedia, rather, the journalist who wrote the source: Alexandra Frean is. As such I have removed the category. Please do not undo my edit without prior discussion here, regards SpitfireTally-ho! 16:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I would have though that the reason the newspaper was called The Times would have been mentioned in the article somewhere. It was given that name because it originally published the times of things like the tides and thus shipping arrivals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.40.249.90 (talk) 17:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
No mention of Times New Roman in the article, nor even what font is used at The Times now. Can someone help? --DThomsen8 (talk) 20:00, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Could someone add info about the strike which occurred in 1982? I remember being told this years ago (as it happened when I was born) and was reminded it when seeing this: [5] go to 2:45. 109.176.233.46 (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
This happened in 1966, not 1967 as in the article. I was working for the Times Bookshop, and the morning after the story broke we were greeted by the Assistant Manager John Edgecombe with "Good morning, Lord Thomson's minions." I had left by the end of '66.
Rogersansom (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:51, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
I think that there needs to be some material on their 2012 campaign on tax avoidance. This had a significant impact on British politics. Amazon, Google and Starbucks were subjected to questions in Parliament over their tax affairs. David Cameron condemned Jimmy Carr. I remember reading about Anne Robinson, ASDA, Chris Moyles, etc. in The Times. I think that this deserves a paragraph in the article. Epa101 (talk) 20:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Is there any problem with using News Works as a source for circulation statistics? I believe that it's seen as a neutral organisation, as all the leading newspapers have a stake in it. See these figures for The Times and The Sunday Times. It's interesting that the Sunday Times has a significantly higher circulation. It even sells more copies than the Sunday Telegraph. Epa101 (talk) 21:13, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
" Its previous incarnation began on 5 September 2005, before which it was called T2 and previously Times 2"
Should we not have dates for T2 and Times 2 as well? A look through the online archive gives me a date of 20/7/1999 for Times 2, coinciding with a Times 3 launch, but this date could simply be a return date after another period of being rested, so I don't want to change it incorrectly.
Also when was the first supplement separated from the main paper? 92.21.212.196 (talk) 00:09, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
...is actually a separate publication with institutional firewalls, separate history, management, &c., and merely owned by the same umbrella corporation, then The Sunday Times Travel Magazine isn't actually an imprint of The Times, is it? Shouldn't this be with the other publication? — LlywelynII 02:29, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
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I know that font is used loosely by many people; but as I understand, in terms of printing (which is what is being discussed here), a font is, strictly speaking, only a typeface of a particular size (and style?). Therefore, should not most occurrences of font in this article by replaced by typeface?
Paul Magnussen (talk) 19:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Clarification on how official this name is and whether it is proper use would be helpful. It seems to often be used to distinguish the paper from e.g the New York Times Fabius Planciades Fulgentius (talk) 17:00, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
I note that the reference for this successful libel action against the Times was removed today by someone who has replaced it with "citation needed." That was more than disingenuous. NRPanikker (talk) 21:47, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
As with the case with The New York Times whose masthead is visible despite it appearing on the frontpage of the sampled clip, so too should the masthead for The Times be present on infobox 223.25.62.113 (talk) 07:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)