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Please clarify this page. The discussion is about an Iraqi attack but the lead-in is about an Iranian attack. Iraqi or Iranian? (I believe the correct answer is Iraqi).

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75.17.119.140 (talk) 05:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Legalities[edit]

It is stated that "Legally the American warship was allowed to attack any hostile aircraft within twenty miles". What is the legal basis for this claim? International law, US law, US rules of engagement (which have no legal authority) or Iraqi law?124.197.15.138 (talk) 23:18, 7 July 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I believe it is US rules of engagement - which have no legal authority, even in the USA, and often contradict international law.203.184.41.226 (talk) 04:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
According to Rear Admiral Grant Sharp, USN Investigating Officer "The [Rules of Engagement](ROE) that were in existence on 17 May 1987 were sufficient to enable STARK to properly warn the Iraqi aircraft in a timely manner of the presence of a U.S. warship; and if the warning was not heeded, the ROE were sufficient to enable STARK to defend herself against hostile intent and imminent danger without absorbing the first hit." from http://www.navy.mi.th/judge/PDF/6%20ROE%20Case%20Studies[1].pdf --Senra (talk) 17:31, 23 August 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The above link is broken but I found the same quotation in an e-book. I have now replaced the sentence beginning "Legally ..." and added a reference to the e-book --Senra (talk) 21:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hostile Aircraft[edit]

The article states that the American warship was allowed to attack hostile aircraft. However the Iraqi forces were not considered hostile to America at the time of the incident. The attack occured during the context of the Iran-Iraq war. The Stark was not a combatant in that conflict. Her mission was to protect American-flagged ships, primarily oil tankers, from Iranian gunboats. See http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a051787ussstark. Iraq quickly apologized for the attack. As written, the article gives the false impression that Iraq was hostile to the US in 1987. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.89.77.22 (talk) 17:50, 12 September 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hostile aircraft does not refer to any country's forces, but to the aircraft. Hostile is a category of identification, determined by the then ship's AIMS Mk XII (12) ATC-RBS, Identification, Friend or Foe system. It is doctrine based, on the aircraft's speed, direction, RF emissions, and other factors. The nationality of an hostile (or unknown) aircraft might be unknown; bliss(?). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 (talk) 23:46, 29 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Citations[edit]

The central part of this article, which is the description of the attack, is almost completely unsourced. This is always a problem, but even more so here because this is a WP:BLP issue regarding the still-living officers and crew of Stark. If anyone can point me to a good source, I can take a stab at a re-write. Kendall-K1 (talk) 15:31, 22 July 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]


the Falcon 50 seems to me a total bull. Mirage F.1 were already armed with Exocet, and frankly speaking what are the 'reliable sources' to state the Falcon theory? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.11.0.22 (talk) 00:06, 2 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah I'm starting to think the same thing. At the very least we should present the Mirage and Falcon as two possibilities, instead of stating the Falcon as fact. Kendall-K1 (talk) 05:15, 2 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I came across this today as well. There's no supporting evidence, outside of the previously-linked article (that didn't work) that the aircraft was anything but a F1 Mirage. The official USN report clearly states that it was a F1 that attacked the USS Stark, and I'm going to believe that over an article that was published with no proof by an author with no credentials. The entire thing reeks of conspiracy theorists, and this website should be about presented facts, not an unsupported theory from one person. Kain292 (talk) 20:24, 10 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So was it a Mirage F1 or a Falcon 50? The page makes no sense. AdAstra2009 (talk) 22:51, 10 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See the #Discussion in progress section below. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:50, 11 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Need to balance detail[edit]

WP:Summary style level of detail re the missile attack incident needs balancing between the USS Stark (FFG-31) and the USS Stark incident articles, or perhaps the latter article should be merged into the former. Please discuss at Talk:USS Stark (FFG-31)#Need to balance detail. Thanks. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:32, 12 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discussion in progress[edit]

There is a discussion currently in progress which relates to this incident at Talk:USS Stark (FFG-31)#Removal of content re Dassault Falcon 50. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 18:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Miles or Nautical miles[edit]

This article states distances in (international) miles, but Naval forces and aircraft use nautical miles so which one is it? The convert template uses international miles. Avi8tor (talk) 07:59, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Iraqi victory?[edit]

Why does the infobox for this article describe this incident as an "Iraqi victory?" The United States and Iraq were not in conflict at this time (and had never been previously), and this was apparently an unauthorized action taken by the Iraqi pilot, acting solely on his own initiative. If one treats this mistake as a "victory," then by the same logic the USS Liberty incident should be listed as an Israeli victory, and the shootdown of Iran Air Flight 655 should be called an American victory. Jrt989 (talk) 17:04, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requested move 12 February 2024[edit]

USS Stark incident → Attack on the USS Stark – (the proposed title was changed from USS Stark attack) – The ship was attacked, incident implies tension or threats. MountainDew20 (talk) 22:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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