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In diff, WWGB requests a citation for only the second incident with passenger fatalities in MNR history. I don't have a good source offhand. But there are plenty of sources for December 2013 Spuyten Duyvil derailment was the first passenger fatalities in MNR history. Best I could find is [1] but the language used is maybe not explicit. could use another pair of eyes. quote:
Before Tuesday, the most devastating crash had occurred at Spuyten Duyvil in the Bronx in December 2013, when four passengers were killed and more than 70 others were injured in a derailment on the Hudson line.
It was the first crash to result in passenger deaths in the railroad’s history. Now it has grim company, although the circumstances on Tuesday appeared notably different.
--Jeremyb (talk) 06:36, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
OK, I understand that the article is going to be in American English because we are dealing with an event in the US. Is "signalized" really the best word to use? Would "controled" (controlled in Br. Eng, not sure if Am. Eng loses the double "l") be a better word? Mjroots (talk) 07:02, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
I have no idea where any of you are from, but this article could really do with a better image that actually shows the crash. Anyone in the area is invited to upload it, preferably to Commons. Sadly no fair use applies here so its the only way we can get one. Thanks! EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 20:27, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
(←) MTA service was restored this morning (they are fast), see the paragraph I added in "Aftermath". Also, I haven't been able to find any free ones; I'll let someone else double-check before I fair-use upload.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 23:28, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Do we really need to link "headlights", "laptop", "union", "climbing", or "gasoline"? Are we next going to link "fatalities", "Investigators", and "evidence"?--ɱ (talk · vbm) 23:20, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
"Climbing", I linked because while the sport's participants know what is meant, for more people than you would think "climbing" is as much how you get up a ladder or staircase as how you get up Half Dome—so linking it is of service to a reader who doesn't realize that technical climbing, the latter kind, is what was meant. Daniel Case (talk) 05:24, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
We seem to have decided that one of the victims, Walter Liedtke, is notable, and based on his reported accomplishments (curator of European art at the Met; author of a two-volume guide to the museum's Dutch paintings) I don't doubt that he was.
But it occurs to me that another victim, computational chemist Robert M. Dirks, might have met our notability standards for scientists without having to die so tragically. According to Bloomberg, his employer states that he "made tremendous contributions to our own research, and to the broader scientific community" by being "involved in the development of novel computational chemistry methods."
Turns out this might be a bit more than hype/kind words about the dearly departed, take your pick. Google Scholar shows he had a pretty respectable CV, with most but not all of his work dating to his postdoc at Caltech. Two of our own articles, Folding@home (an FA) and Adaptive sampling, cite papers he coauthored, and it seems like we're not the only place he got cited, either. I'm not sure how to interpret it, but his page at DocbyDoc looks pretty encouraging, too.
I should get some of the WP:WPBIO science people and WP:CHEM people on this one as well. Not only can they better decide if he meets the criteria than I, they can actually understand and explain why his work made him notable. (I won't pretend to). Daniel Case (talk) 06:24, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Valhalla train crash#Aftermath now says:
Commerce Street remains closed to vehicles, and is due to reopen when the NTSB finishes its investigation.
Apparently reopened 5+ days ago but can't find a good ref. Best I found was dailyvoice.com. (see also The Daily Voice (U.S. hyperlocal news)) FWIW, "when the NTSB finishes its investigation" will be many moons from now. --Jeremyb (talk) 06:38, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Are there any reliable sources that have speculated on the possibility of a suicide attack as a motive? Redhanker (talk) 22:09, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Suicide attack seems unlikely. She could have just left the car, as others have done (one possibly wrist-cutting before or afterward to make it look like a canceled suicide). Reckless suicide with unintended consequences (few could have predicted that the Metro-North line is a bad place for this kind of suicide due to its third-rail design), maybe. Her actions seemed deliberate, and they were puzzling: calmly looking at the rear scrape, getting back in the car, driving forward onto the rails, and then waiting for the train. But intent would require her to also intentionally get trapped there, and intent gives no reason to get out and check the damage – a look out the window to verify alignment with the tracks would suffice. Maybe she only decided to die after seeing the scrape, having a very low threshold (ridiculous). There's lots of speculation, mostly by bloggers and commenters, some opinionated. Does any reliable source state that investigators give any chance to suicide as the explanation? Go fish: (Google search) One media quotes her daughters saying "I thought that maybe she committed suicide. ...", but concluding "She's not a murderer." Anyone would wonder about suicide as a possible explanation, surely including the investigators. But that's not noteworthy unless an investigator rules suicide in (or out), based on some scrap of evidence. Lacking a clear sign of intent, it's presumed an accident; a fatal, possibly distracted miscalculation. -A876 (talk) 22:14, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
In a paragraph I just added, it mentions that to facilitate the underrunning configuration of the trains' shoes, the tips of the third rails are slightly upturned at grade crossings (suggesting that it might have been a factor in why the rails came loose on impact).
This should be easy to get a picture of and illustrate ... even if we can't get a picture of the third rails at the Commerce Street crossing yet, there are plenty of other grade crossings on the Harlem Line in upper Westchester—in addition to the nearby Valhalla and Mount Pleasant stations, the Katonah and Brewster (OK, so it's in Putnam County, not Westchester) stations are also adjacent to grade crossings. Someone want to get out and do it? I couldn't find anything on Commons that we could even crop to, but I may not have been looking in the right place. Daniel Case (talk) 17:23, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
After a good faith move, and reversal of same, I've move protected the article to prevent a move war. If an editor feels strongly that the article should be moved, then WP:RM is the correct venue. IMHO, a year disambiguator is not needed, as there is no other Valhalla train crash article to disambiguate from. Should that situation occur, then we can deal with it at the time. Mjroots (talk) 20:03, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I spent about 45 seconds sizing up this article, but I can already tell that it's a winner! How do I nominate this article for a trains portal featured article? Srwalden (talk) 13:04, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
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Just because 8 people is more than 6 doesn't mean you use a source that DOESN'T say anywhere that officials are calling the Philadelphia crash the worst since Valhalla.
--@Libertarian12111971: I want to point this out. NOBODY SAID THAT. At that point in 2015, it was the deadliest passenger train crash in the United States since the 2009 Washington Metro train collision, which killed nine people and injured eighty others; the May 2015 Philadelphia train derailment involving a speeding Amtrak train surpassed it, killed eight people.
Never does it say the worst. It has more deaths and that what the article is saying. Nowhere does it say worst or anything of the sort. It is a factual statement. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 19:12, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
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I've mostly completed the review (I just need to finish with the images, which look good so far). Before I sign off, I have a couple of ideas/notes:
The crash is the deadliest in Metro-North's history,[1] as well as at the time the deadliest rail accident in the United States since the June 2009 Washington Metro train collision, which killed nine passengers and injured 80.
At about 5:30 p.m., 14 minutes after sunset on February 3, 2015,[4] a vehicle…
((Cite court|litigants= Jill Shiner Vandercar, etc., et al. v. Metro-North Commuter Railroad, et al. |vol= 178 |reporter= A.D.3d |opinion=931 |court= N.Y. App. Div. 2d Dep’t |date=2019 |url= https://www.leagle.com/decision/innyco20191218424))
→ Jill Shiner Vandercar, etc., et al. v. Metro-North Commuter Railroad, et al., 178 A.D.3d 931 (N.Y. App. Div. 2d Dep’t 2019).-- Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:15, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Full of sensationalized dramatized insignificant nonsense that presumes the driver of the SUV took stupid actions. I see nothing that can't be explained by her simply panicking and being yet another blameless victim. LETS CLEAN IT UP PEOPLE - this article's state was a disgrace. CapnZapp (talk) 17:31, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
I will have to revert some of your changes. In the future, by the way, please consider a) starting discussions like this on the talk page before you go editing away, and b) avoiding section heds like this. Daniel Case (talk) 18:21, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Contrariwise, I would point to Murder of Janet March, pretty much all of which I researched and wrote. In the "1990s marital difficulties" section, there are several references in the first two grafs to a paralegal at the law firm where Perry March worked at the time whom he attempted to initiate an extramarital affair with, an effort whose consequences, when his wife learned about them, caused some of the strain in their marriage that led to him killing her.
The woman's name is in the court opinions on the case, more than one in fact, but since it seems her role in the case was peripheral and she did not seek any publicity as a result of that role in the case—she did not seek any at all, actually, and one of the sources suggested she had been somewhat reluctant to testify about Perry's overtures to her in the first place, I decided we could get by in that article without using her name. I have not changed my mind on that in the nearly four years since I created the article. Anyone who really wants to know her name can go digging through the court records like I did.
Her, I would put at the other end of the spectrum from Alan Brody.
I think both these decisions of mine are consistent with BLPNAME, which turns in large part on whether "the name of a private individual has not been widely disseminated or has been intentionally concealed." This is true of the paralegal; I do not ocnsider it in any way true of Alan Brody (whose name makes a lot more than "brief appearances" in news stories; I also think he is now very "directly involved" in the article's topic). Daniel Case (talk) 21:32, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Ownership is bad, yes, but I do not think that should deter us from practicing stewardship of articles, especially those we have invested a lot of personal effort in improving. Perhaps it's easier for me to say and do this because, since unlike so many other people (it seems) I do not set my watchlist to add anything I edit. I have a watchlist of less than 500 articles (mostly) rather than some astronomical four-figure amount, so I can actually do these things. So it may seem a little bit like I'm owning. But the upshot is that I can and do revert vandalism and good-faith additions of unsourced material in the articles that are on my list. Ownership, from this perspective, would be if I reverted every single change, even those made in clear good faith, even those helpful to the article, no matter what, and as you must concede in this case I have not. Daniel Case (talk) 16:49, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion the Litigation section alone should clearly have disqualified this article from GA status. I think I've managed to cut out all the loud unencyclopedic noise now. CapnZapp (talk) 10:56, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
In the future, though, when you do this sort of editing, consider that it often leaves a bunch of disconnected, random-seeming single-sentence paragraphs behind, which MOS:PARA discourages (Indeed that was part of the reason for the quotes originally, I think). I will be finding a way to put all these splinters back together.
He would cut must suture as well. Daniel Case (talk) 16:34, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
I just noticed that the move protection on this article celebrated its sixth birthday yesterday. While that may have made sense when it was imposed, within a month or so of the crash, there has been no serious dispute or discussion over the name of this article (it's not really consistent yet with the naming of other train-wreck articles, but it's hardly alone in that regard) since then. Not that there couldn't be or shouldn't be, but I think the days when someone was just ready to move the article willy-nilly to make it their preferred name are long gone.
Would anybody mind if I lift the protection? Daniel Case (talk) 20:11, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Note f states that LIRR uses under-running third rail, citing to the NTSB report, which does indeed say that. But the NTSB report is incorrect; LIRR uses top-contact third rail, as is visible in the photo at the top of the LIRR article, among many other photos. How should this situation be handled? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:182:CD00:109A:50AF:5DBC:7EC5:1CB9 (talk) 17:46, 11 December 2021 (UTC)