I have stopped contributing content to Wikipedia. You may find me patrolling from time to time, but most nights I will rather be studying like Aulus Gellius is doing here on the left. I will be back writing articles once the scholars and academics have taken over. ☿ Apaugasma (☉) |
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Hieroglyphs, decipherment of[edit]Hi Apaugasma! First off, thanks for the warm welcome and for the balanced edits :-). One request, though: I think "[...] was able to identify the phonetic value of a few Egyptian hieroglyphs" gives the wrong impression. This suggests that Ibn Washiyya was following the correct method like an early Young / Champollion, as per Dr. El Daly's claims. I would be very excited if that were true, but looking e.g. at the picture shown with the article (from Dr. El Daly's presentation), it clearly is not: Going through the list from the upper left, 𓊰 is not a uniconsonantal sign at all, certainly not "aleph", 𓏌𓏤 is /nw/ + determinative stroke, not "y", 𓏏 𓏥 is /t/ + plural strokes and not "q", 𓉻 is ayn+aleph (the word "great"), not "g", the next character 𓏌 is /nw/ again, now interpreted as "b", 𓊹𓊹 "two gods" (nTr.wy?) is certainly not "k" and so forth ... I could go on for the rest of the chart: it is not just that the phonetic values are misidentified but that word signs are interpreted as phonetics and the author clearly did not even understand which signs belong together. This impression is confirmed by a quick glance through the translation of the work linked to in the article: whole groups of glyphs are given allegorical translations "if a man was poisoned they would write it with XYZ glyphs" with no basis in the actual text displayed. So, if any glyphs were identified correctly I would ascribe that to mere chance (sadly, again - if the work had been done 1,000 years ago, I would be extremely excited). I think the reason why this never gets called out is because the number of reporters that can read Hieroglyphs and Arabic is vanishingly small if not zero. I would give Ibn Washiyya credit for trying and for his assumption that signs could be read phonetically (rather than just allegorically / as ideographs) - in itself an important step. But "correctly identified some signs" gives the wrong impression IMHO, especially since this has been hyped so much in the media and there has been no critical reporting whatsoever (outside of specialist circles). Can we find a better way to phrase this? I struggled, that's why I took the identification part out completely in the lead section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikuChan39 (talk • contribs) 12:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
The Arabic Hermes[edit]You appear to be an extremely knowledgeable person to me. Will come to visit you from time to time to discuss few things or to get some book recommendations on the history of philosophy, religion and science if you don't mind. I have started reading Kevin Van Bladel's "The Arabic Hermes: From Pagan Sage to Prophet of Science." Interesting study. But the book I suppose suffers from some Hellenocentric biases. I don't know. That is just an opinion. I haven't even finished the book yet. Have you come across this term before? I mean, Hellenocentrism? I suppose you have. The article is not an well developed one. Need more references to enrich that entry. Anyways, Bladels' book is great. Learning many things from it. Wanted to let you know that I came to know of this book from one of your comments in a talk page. And yes, pardon my English, I am not a native speaker. Best wishes for you. Mosesheron (talk) 17:58, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
It was really enlightening. However, do you believe that modern historians have genuinely attempted, or are still attempting, to reconstruct the cultural context in which ancient Greece flourished, with all of its knowledge of philosophy, theology, and so on? Was it that difficult, given the fact that they have “successfully reconstructed" many aspects of history that were almost unknown to us? I'm sure you've considered the time period between the so-called first philosopher of ancient Greece, Thales, and the "all-knowing" Aristotle, in whose figure we see the culmination of nearly all ancient knowledge? How could they achieve so many things within such a short period of time? What are the real sources of pre-Socratic philosophy, theology, and so on? Did it all begin with them? If the answer is no, then, who were their real inspirations? People like Martin Bernal et al might well be wrong in their theses, but what really have the mainstream historians taught us about this aspect of intellectual history? I've been looking for a few works on the history of ancient philosophy, theology, sciences, and other subjects that explore the origins and sources of pre-Socratic philosophy in depth, but to my surprise, I have found none. Now that maybe because I am not an expert in the filed or a student of the history of philosophy and sciences like you. But again why are they so scarce if they really exist, if such works exist at all? Most books or journal papers I read start with the pre-Socratics, with an introduction that largely rejects rather than recognizes the contributions or contacts with other civilizations in a very smart way. They frequently spare a few lines to demonstrate how primitive and mythological other civilizations were, while claiming that the Greeks were unique and original in such and such ways. I made a comment on the Talk Page of the pre-Socratic philosophy about its sources and origin few months ago, which two devoted editors took very seriously. What do we come know about its origin and history from that page now? The straightforward answer is nothing. I am not of course undermining their efforts. Perhaps they did their best. Or perhaps they thought such little description was sufficient for it. Would you kindly recommend me some works that discuss the origins and sources of pre-Socratic philosophy in depth? Lastly, I thank you for your comment. It offers some ideas that our academics frequently fail to express. Best wishes. Mosesheron (talk) 17:13, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
History vs legend[edit]Hey, What, in your opinion, is the difference between history and legends? From what I understand, a legend is a folk tale and its historicity can either be:
From my reading, I'm seeing the legends of Abadir falling into the third category. It seems that historians agree Abadir existed; they doubt some of the more exaggerated tales surrounding him, but consider other stories of him believable enough to mention. For example, But as a general question, though, doesn't history include a lot of folk tales and hearsay?VR talk 16:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
I don't believe we've been introduced...[edit]...but I've seen your name around plenty, and given the current unpleasantries I've finally decided to click on your very interesting-looking signature. Some fun topic area overlaps :) Admirable work on As above, so below -- with some expansion and tweaking (sandwich the images less, maybe a less indiscriminate list at the end) I could envision it making GA, and there'd be a Quarter Million Award in it if that's anything that interests you? (I was working on The Magician (Tarot card) when much newer, with quixotic aspirations to bring the whole Major Arcana to GT/FT, but not for now.) Vaticidalprophet 20:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
What is your issue with mentioning alcohol on al-Razi's page?[edit]The guy literally coined the word "alcohol" for christs sake. 5.151.22.143 (talk) 12:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
WP:WikiProject Core Content[edit]It would be so exciting to see it work, so please, please make that WikiProject a reality :) CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
putting academic views over the community own views[edit]Considering an academic opinion over the views and opinions of the believers of the Ismaili religion is a form of bias. Also new works have show connections between the Umm-al-Kitab and Ismailism, check Intellectual Interactions in the Islamic World, The Ismaili Thread for more. 201.92.244.22 (talk) 19:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Zipporah[edit]Hello! I don't know if this in your area of interest, but if you'd like to take a look at today's edits, please do. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:45, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
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Duly noted, Apaugasma - I was worried I might be winging it a bit on that last link. Glad you found 'Poison Damsel' and 'Chankaya' acceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flobbadob (talk • contribs) 11:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Your revert edit summary says I changed the NPOV framing on this article. My edits were in fact to correct editorialising in the article. What facts did i contract from the source material?
The article already explains the Muslim relationship with non-Arabs as mawali and the edits you reverted place undue weight on ethnicity. Sasanian Iran is the focus point of a metric ton of irredentist editing here on Wikipedia that editorialises about an imagined pure Persian past and that's why I made those edits.
In addition, you removed the edits I made that underline the fact that Abu Lu'lu'a is a Twelver martyr. It is a part of Twelverism.
Ogress 11:54, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
adopted by almost all Shı̄'ı̄ groups. About Zaydism, Daftary 2007 writes (p. 74):
absorbed into Sunnı̄ Islam. Daftary mentions Jarudis (= Zaydis) and Imamis (= Twelvers) as having adopted the ghulat/radical view, but for some reason doesn't mention anything explicit about the Ismai'ili view on this subject. However, on p. 181 he relates a fairly typical episode about al-Hakim's decrees regarding the public denouncement of the first two caliphs, which does shed some light on the Isma'ili view:
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hi! hope you are doing well! May I ask you to please look after Jafar al-Sadiq for the next couple of weeks? the usual disruptions, you know... my internet connection is going to be poor and anyway I have problem using the app. thank you very much. and I'm sorry for the poorly composed message on my cell phone. Albertatiran (talk) 11:26, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
I don't see why the improper sourcing of the image of what is reputedly Umar's sword would be grounds to remove the file. SufficientChipmunk3 (talk) 21:46, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
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How do you feel I changed the style of this wikipedia page? I mostly put the titles in English rather than Arabic transliteration. I did specify that Lower Mesopotamia has its own wikipedia page... but I'm not sure why you said "style". Can you clarify?
Thanks, a fellow editor. Ogress 01:03, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi, sorry to bother you. Can I ask your opinion on this source?
Do you think it can be used in the article about Muhammad? — Kaalakaa (talk) 17:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
How does one go about getting a magical black cloud to surround one’s username on one’s edit tags? It’s pretty frickin’ sweet. hello, world (talk) 16:24, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">
and putting </span>
after it. For example, <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">This text has shadow.</span>
will produce This text has shadow. Fiddling with the numbers will change the position of the shadow (the middle two numbers), its thickness (the last number) and/or its color (the first number). As you can see, this also works when regularly editing wiki pages.<span style="color:#6a0dad">colored</span>
will change text color as in colored. You can replace #6a0dad with any other hex number to produce a different color; to pick a color you can type in 'hex color' on Google and it will show a hex color picker.
will produce a non-breaking space, which is helpful to keep your signature from line-breaking in an inappropriate place (this one actually also comes in handy on article pages, e.g. to keep something like CE on the same line as the date to which it belongs, as in 1258 CE
for 1258 CE to avoid "1258" being the last word on a line and "CE" the first word on a new line).Hi, Apaugasma,
We are both members of a probably smallish club of users that are comfortable creating CITEREF-based wikilinks; I've seen your work at various articles. I've often thought it was tedious putting these links together and there had to be a better way. Plus, once you have them, they look mysterious in the wikicode to the average editor. At the same time, there ought to be an easier on-ramp for other editors who feel comfortable enough using ((sfn)), but are too scared off by the intricacies of CITEREF to create links of that nature. I finally decided to do something about it, and the result is ((sfnlink)) (alias: citelink). Here's one example; the destination of this link will look familiar to you:
((sfnlink|Prophet|2018|article=Hermeticism))
⟶ Prophet (2018)It's configurable in several ways; you can find details at the template. I haven't advertised it yet (you're the first), and I've come to a stopping point in development, so I thought I'd ask for your feedback before I do, in case it needs further work. Let me know what you think. Mathglot (talk) 07:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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You reverted this edit of Abd Allah ibn Sa'd citing that islamic-awareness.org is unreliable.
Okay, we can we use another source, the point being that the cited Sura is from Mecca and not Medina, as stated on the Sura's page in on Wikipedia: Al-Muʼminun with this 1982 citation.[1] Simpatico qa (talk) 18:29, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
References
Most of the classical commentators agree in that this surah was revealed towards the end of the Mecca period; some authorities (quoted by Suyuti) are even of the opinion that it is the very last Meccan revelation, but we have no conclusive evidence to that effect
Good morning @Apaugasma,
thank you for filling out Ibn Arfa Ra's page. I have a question, does Ibn Abbar say that Ibn Arfa or Ibn Naqirat were both born in Andalusia? Is a birth in the Maghreb excluded or possible?
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In the List of converts to Hinduism from Islam article, I removed 4 as they did not had the WP:RS and WP:OR sources. First one: Nargis, in her article I cant see any info regarding her conversion to hinduism in fact opposite "she expressed her wish to be buried following the Islamic rites, Sunil and Sanjay eventually offering the Islamic funeral prayer" in the Personal section.
Another is Khusro Khan, his Religion section explicity states that "Barani's narrative is unreliable, and contradicted by more reliable sources. Khusrau Khan wished to be seen as a normal Muslim monarch, and had the khutba in the mosques read in his name." Hence including him on the list severely violates WP:NPOV and WP:RS and WP:Fringe.
Another case is of two brothers, Harihara I and Bukka Raya I, both articles explicity state that their early life is "unknown and most accounts are based on various speculative theories" the same paragraph that conjecture their religion. So we need stronger and more WP:Reliable sources to make them in the list.
Some are forcefully inserting these info thus violating Wikipedia core policies, can you inspect it. 182.183.11.100 (talk) 20:44, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Ya 7amr stop trying to lie about somalia 🇸🇴 theres only one tribe that claims arab lineage and is documented I will report you for your fake claims Beni Dawud (talk) 15:11, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
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Greetings Apaugasama,
I hope you are doing well. I just received the notification of your thanks. You are welcome. I still remember a few of my earlier interactions with you. After editing for almost 2 years now in almost all the areas of Wikipedia and going through lots of reading in the past two years in the hope of becoming a somewhat constructive editor, I got to know that my 2022 behaviour with you was nonsensical and premature. So I want to apologise to you for my past rude behaviour and mistakes. I wish I could be lucky enough to get your forgiveness. Regards. Maliner (talk) 16:36, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I have reverted your edit. Please point me to a Wikipedia policy or essay where it is mentioned that banned or blocked users need to wait for at least 2 years before applying for the WP:standard offer. It was really very new to me. I will be happy to learn. Regards. Maliner (talk) 06:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
submit an appeal to UTRS and ask an administrator to post it to the appropriate discussion board. This is a voluntary act and should not be abused or used to excess.What happens usually is that the unban request as written by the banned user is copied over by an admin to WP:AN, where it is discussed by the community. Whether the user gets unbanned depends on how regular editors and admins who frequent AN !vote over the unban request.
your rule of waiting for two years to post an unblock appealhad received a strong consensus, either as a policy, essay, or at least at the village pump. Period. Maliner (talk) 15:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi Apaugasma,
I was about to add a short description to this article when I noticed that the statement at the beginning, that it's an alchemical work, could be taken as contradicting a later one about alchemia not really referring to alchemy at that time. So I'm wondering (i) whether calling it a work on alchemy is the best description, and (ii) if it is, whether you might want to add something that addresses the possible contradiction. (Eg something that does the job of Though the title didn't at the time strictly refer to what was later called alchemy, the book itself is regarded as . . . )
I'm reluctant to change it myself when I can ask the person who wrote both statements and is already familiar with the material. :-) Musiconeologist (talk) 21:04, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi, Apaugasma. How are you doing? If you don't mind, may I ask your opinion about this new account [15]? I suspect it is another sock of PaullyMatthews. — Kaalakaa (talk) 06:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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We may have disagreed on a few things, such as how to handle a fringe theory. But I've always been fascinated by how meticulously you prepare your arguments and how eloquently you present them. I hope you'll be with Wikipedia for a long time, even if it's not mostly in content contribution. — Kaalakaa (talk) 09:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is The "prophet Muhammad" (lowercase 'p'). Thank you. ~ Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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I think that, from knowlege of both, the previous more robust) statement is (and was) better. But I did not want to risk the repercussions of reverting your edit.MaynardClark (talk) 15:22, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
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I read your !vote at the ongoing RfA, and I'm sympathetic to the idea that we should be a little more discerning when we decide how to handle incapable editors. I absolutely agree that someone with so little content experience should not have been given these content-related user rights. But this looks to be much more of a WP:Competence is acquired issue than a WP:Competence is required one. Chastising an editor so harshly for doing something wrong is going to be counterproductive in motivating them to learn the correct way—especially since this is probably the first time anyone ever told them that they were doing this wrong. Personally, I made some sourcing mistakes when I was new to content-writing, but today I think I have a rather strong grasp on content-writing practices.
I won't ask you to walk your comment back or make an apology if that's not something you're willing to do, but it would help if you clarified. "You are hopeless and should be blocked from editing" is very different from "slow down, take a break from NPP, and ask for help before writing more content". The latter will almost certainly get better results and give the candidate a chance to prove themselves, but I read your comment as closer to the former. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)