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HELP! I want to make a simple DELETION of my draft article on Larry Geller. Nothing is easy in this site. What a simple question and would take two seconds to delete in all other sites takes you hours to sift through all the write-ups to figure out how to delete. PLEASE HELP and please make it in laymen's terms. I always get these guys who get a kick out of talking another language and want to make it more difficult. I thought HELP is suppose to help rather making it more frustrating. Please help. Thanks!
Please help me with...
Chris Coffey 18:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
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— Jeff G. ツ (talk) 13:31, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Hello Chris -- I might be able to help out here, with the Larry Geller article. Wikipedia is kind of like another planet, right? :-) Lots of strange people speaking a strange wiki-jargon. I did some work looking for references, and there are probably enough to get the article reviewed and accepted. However, somebody has to do the work, to write the article. And in particular, to write it with each sentence having a footnote-reference. Usually, the best advice is exactly the advice that FiddleFaddle (also known as User:Timtrent) was trying to give you: learn how to do that work yourself, with guidance from a more experienced wikipedian like Tim, and then do that work.
But from your distressed tone, I get the idea that you were hoping you had done enough work already, and are wanting somebody else to shoulder the rest of the job. Take over writing the article for you. Take over making the books and such that you provided as references, be properly formatted. Take over making sure the article complies with all the bazillion wiki-laws and wiki-rules and wiki-this and wiki-that. If that is the case, please say so. :-) There are a couple of ways to seek help from other folks that might want to write an Elvis-related article, starting from the groundwork you have already done. Finding such a person is not guaranteed, but we can try that route, if you personally have little interest in becoming a long-term wikipedian, yourself, and learning how to work on wikipedia articles more deeply.
In any case, I'm happy to try and help you out, and it looks like Tim and Jeff are also trying hard to help. You can leave me a note on my user-talk-page if you like, about how you want to proceed, just click 'talk' in my signature, click 'new section' at the top, leave me a note, and click 'save'. Thanks for the work you have put into this, sorry everything is complicated and takes forever, but as you can probably understand, there are a LOT of people trying to get their name into wikipedia (or their boss/friend/relative/etc), so there is some method to the madness. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 10:48, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Chris, you can see what is happening, if you click on Draft:Larry_Geller, and then click 'view history' at the top . That tells you what users changed things, and when. See WP:HISTORY for the helper-documentation.
Here are most of the changes for November, in reverse-chronological order, which I've copied here for your convenience:
As you can see, User:Jeff_G. has been working hard on the draft-article, trying to help out. I have been working on digging up some sources, and will retrieve them soon. You are free to help, or just watch Jeff go to work. It takes awhile to learn the complex system wikipedia has, but you're getting there. :-) 75.108.94.227 (talk) 22:54, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Chris, I have replied to your questions (most of them), over here -- User_talk:Jeff_G. -- on the usertalkpage of Jeff. You can ask further questions, also on that same User_talk:Jeff_G. page, by clicking the 'new section' button on the top righthand corner of *that* page. Everything is getting worked out now, just bear with us. :-) 75.108.94.227 (talk) 20:47, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
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Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 20:51, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I have left you a two part message there. The first part is more useful to you than the second. The last para of the second is a para I would like you to read, though, please Fiddle Faddle 21:54, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Chris,
Search engines work in mysterious ways. As one of the top global sites they do pay Wikipedia special attention, but no-one can quite predict how or when they index the site. They don't "publish articles" exactly, What they do is examine sites worldwide and create a searchable index.
All web sites, and Wikipedia is no exception, await the largesse of the search engine companies and site owners are sometimes surprised by being indexed almost at once, and, at other times, frustrated by a particular page not being indexed at all. Small webmasters, the total amateurs, are perplexed about this. Good webmasters create what is known as a sitemap, a file or set of files, that are submitted to search engines regularly. Wikipedia does this.
Even so, Wikipedia is in the hands of the external companies who operate search engines. Having a sitemap notified to them is not the sae as their acting upon it, as we have found with Larry Geller. The thing, though, is that we do not create Wikipedia articles for search engines. We create them as a hobby, and for the benefit of those who come to Wikipedia and look for the Larry Gellers of this world. I saw your question to Jeff G. and decided to come over here to try to answer it.
I'm surprised that (eg) Google has not yet picked up the article, but it is just surprise. It's not particularly special because their lack of picking up every page on every web site is known to all serious webmasters, though not to ordinary folk. I am surprised only because Wikipedia seems to have more pages indexed than almost any other web site. One day Larry Geller's Wikipedia article will be picked up, probably. It seems just not to be today.
We may be able to influence that. I've asked Jeff if they will consider submitting a WP:DYK for the article, something I can do, but, because of their work I;d very much like them to receive credit. I'd ask you to do it, but I suspect your Wikipedia skill set is not sufficiently broad, yet, to accomplish it. That is not meant to sound patronising, but I can see that it could be interpreted thus. The area is arcane in the extreme and most new editors would run a mile from it.
You seem disappointed about search engines. Instead, rejoice that the article is up and that this is down to your original work. Fiddle Faddle 10:08, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
On completing your first article! :-) Nice work.
You recently updated the article, to show Geller's current residence. However, because wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it should record the history, as well.
Here is what Jeff wrote at first:
Geller was married to Stevie,<ref name=ElvisandMe /> and is married to Shira, who lives with him in [[Los Angeles]].<ref name=AboutLarryGeller />
Here is your change that you made: [1]
Geller is married to Shira, who lives with him in [[Sedona, AZ]].<ref name=AboutLarryGeller />
Here is my change to that same sentence: [2]
Geller was((when)) married to Stevie.<ref name=ElvisandMe /> Geller is currently married to Shira; they lived in [[Los Angeles]],<ref name=AboutLarryGeller /> and now live in [[Sedona, Arizona]].
The historical stuff was retained, but I also kept the Sedona fact you were adding. One subtle bit: notice that I put the Sedona part *after* the reference, because unless the website being referenced has *changed* it is important not to add new information as if that new information came from the website. Make sense? 75.108.94.227 (talk) 00:39, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Geller was first married to Stevie,<ref name=ElvisandMe /> from 1963 to 1972. Geller re-married in 1995. He and his wife Shira lived in [[Los Angeles]],<ref name=AboutLarryGeller /> and now live in [[Sedona, Arizona]].<ref>http://www.jcsvv.org/s/2015February.pdf</ref>
Looks ok and thanks.....thanks also to Jeff G. I appreciate it! I assume it's ok now and no more edits left to do? Thanks!
Chris Chris Coffey 15:19, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
But have a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Larry Geller which may get the article 15 minutes (well, 12 hours) of fame on the Wikipedia Main Page. Nothing for you to do there, either. It's an arcane process best left to the cognoscenti. I sometimes venture there, but with some trepidation. Have a look at the main page to see how "Did you know?" is presented in general. Fiddle Faddle 19:51, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
On 1 January 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Larry Geller, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Elvis Presley's hairstylist Larry Geller was also his spiritual advisor? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Larry Geller. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |