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There's no way to avoid opinion when it comes to something as ambiguous and subjective as a jazz timeline. To attempt such an grandiose project involves finding multiple sources for every sentence, with sources saying specifically and clearly "This is one of the most important events in jazz and for year XXXX". And that of course is an opinion. There aren't enough sources in the tiny field of jazz to get anything like a balanced, neutral view. The timeline will be a collection of opinions and personal preferences and nothing more. It will give readers a false impression, asserting opinions as facts, and I suspect that is part of the appeal for the creator of such articles, the temptation to be the Arbiter of History to instruct us little children. The exact thing Wikipedia is not. Worse, it will be one of those "articles" that prompts someone to say, "They did it, why can't I" which has already been used by the creator of this article, a person, I might add, who has a habit a creating hundreds if not thousands of make-work articles for busy editors by writing brief, inchoate impulses that lack proper sourcing. For ten years there have been at least ten one-sentence "articles" on the jazz project backlog about German jazz festivals. I tried discussing them but received no cooperation. These articles will never be developed, but it does no good talking sense to the starry-eyed and grandiose. You can bet when I try to get one of these articles deleted, I will be challenged to a duel over them. People fight deletion to death. It's so dumb, counterproductive, and...uncivil? Yes, why doesn't any of this behavior I have described get called uncivil? What's civil about it? Why is outrage reserved for the use of "bad words" and insults but rarely applied to actual behavior?Vmavanti (talk) 12:16, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
"the creator of this article, a person, I might add, who has a habit a creating hundreds if not thousands of make-work articles for busy editors ". LOL, has he even checked my editing history in the last 8 years or so??† Encyclopædius 14:42, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
@Vmavanti: "For ten years there have been at least ten one-sentence "articles" on the jazz project backlog about German jazz festivals. I tried discussing them but received no cooperation. These articles will never be developed, but it does no good talking sense to the starry-eyed and grandiose. You can bet when I try to get one of these articles deleted, I will be challenged to a duel over them. People fight deletion to death. It's so dumb, counterproductive, and...uncivil?" You really don't know me very well do you? Ask Markussep or anybody with experience, I am happy to db-author any article which can't be expanded or we think is a dud. If you find any article of mine which clearly can't be expanded I will NOT fight to keep it, quite the opposite. The reality is that most of the stubs I created can be expanded but not many people are working on German topics. You seem to have conveniently forgotten that I also reviewed a lot of Eddie Hugh's articles and promoted them to GA hardly the sign of somebody idle and uncivil...† Encyclopædius 16:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
On 18 May 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ann Katharine Mitchell, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 01:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Gavin! Hope you're keeping okay. Seeing as you've written similar-ish articles in the past, I wondered if you wouldn't mind having a look at Death of James Ashley. It's not finished yet (I've got a bit more to do on the impact and then it needs some polishing and a proper lead section before I do anything with it) but I was hoping you could have a quick read through and tell me if it's readable and it all makes sense. I'll definitely be back to the war memorials but I think I might do a few police shootings/incidents first. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:36, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Hey Gavin, thanks a lot for your feedback there. I've been working through it as time allows. I'm not in any rush, but I think I might take it to FAC. If I was to stick it up at GAN in the next couple of weeks, would you be interested in doing the review? I don't normally use GAN because I find the results aren't worth the wait, but I don't have the luxury of MilHist A-class as FAC prep in this case. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hi SchroCat, I've just taken the liberty to create a quick Wikidata item for A Balloon Site, Coventry, an article you created a month ago – because it was listed on the "Wikidata: Possible Paintings report, as part of Wikidata-project Sum of All Paintings. If you are making more articles about paintings (or, for that matter, anything) would you be so kind as to also create a brief WD item for it so it can start to be picked up by any relevant reports and begin to be edited by the team? The more detailed the better, of course, but at minimum to use the "instance of" property + linking to the WP article would be a big help. Thanks, Wittylama 11:30, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi -- just checking; did you mean "natural" here? As it stands I think your post contradicts itself. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi SchroCat! Hope all is well! Been idle for a while and hunkering down gave me time to re-work Regine Velasquez. Your inputs have been valuable during the last FAC. Trying my hand on bringing it back at FAC. Not sure if you're still around these days, but if you have the luxury of time, would appreciate your inputs there. Cheers! Pseud 14 (talk) 21:48, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
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How is the information I added to the Caroline Flack page "tabloid fluff", when it is sourced from Flack's own autobiography? Its not from a newspaper, let alone a tabloid one. It may well not be unencyclopedic but I think you need to rethink whether Flack's book is "tabloid fluff". Some would consider such an assertion quite rude and disrespectful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmSam13 (talk • contribs) 23:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
You were not being rude or disrespectful to me but to Caroline Flack, claiming that her writing in her own book is “tabloid fluff”. I don’t disagree that what I attempted to add was unencyclopaedic, you’re a senior editor and if that’s what you decide when you review changes made to a page. I suggest, however, you stop characterising Flack’s own autobiography Storm in a C Cup as tabloid fluff. AmSam13 (talk) 09:23, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
The article Elinor Fettiplace you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Elinor Fettiplace for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 18:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
The article Georgiana Hill (cookery book writer) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Georgiana Hill (cookery book writer) for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Therapyisgood -- Therapyisgood (talk) 13:41, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
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For your contributions to bring Portrait of Adele Bloch-Bauer I (estimated annual readership: 330,000) to Good Article status, I hereby present you the Quarter Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers! Reidgreg (talk) 14:09, 6 June 2020 (UTC) |
The article Ann Cook (cookery book writer) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Ann Cook (cookery book writer) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:41, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
The article Georgiana Hill (cookery book writer) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Georgiana Hill (cookery book writer) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Therapyisgood -- Therapyisgood (talk) 16:41, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi SchroCat, I hope you're doing well. I hope you don't mind me reaching out - you closed the ANI thread I opened earlier today. Thank you very much for your ANI work, it's appreciated by the community.
Obviously I'm not coming here to relitigate the events from over there, but the close happened at such a point that I didn't get a response to my question as to what would have been the suggestion as to do in this case - so I thought I'd ask you, as the closer. Because the user in question hadn't engaged with me, I wasn't aware that rollback had been removed from them; in this scenario, what would you have done, or what would you recommend that one should do?
Any advice would be genuinely appreciated, thank you Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 18:14, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
On 9 July 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Amadou Gon Coulibaly, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 09:19, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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Bedroom in Arles is the title given to each of three similar oil-on-canvas paintings by 19th-century Dutch Post-Impressionist painter Vincent van Gogh. The picture shows his bedroom at 2 Place Lamartine in Arles, France, known as the Yellow House, where he lived in 1888. The door to the right opened onto the upper floor and the staircase, the door to the left was that of the guest room he held prepared for Paul Gauguin, and the window in the front wall looked out onto public gardens. The first version of the painting was damaged in a flood, so he painted a second. The paintings vary slightly in their colours and details, especially with regard to the pictures hanging on the walls. This picture is the third, a reduced-size version painted in 1889 for his mother and sister. It was acquired for the French national collections in 1959, and is on permanent display in the Musée d'Orsay, Paris. Painting credit: Vincent van Gogh
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Henry VIII (28 June 1491 – 28 January 1547) was King of England from 1509 until his death. This oil-on-panel portrait was painted by Hans Holbein the Younger c. 1537, depicting the king in a near-frontal pose similar to that used by the artist in a number of other portraits. It is a markedly linear picture without background distractions; Henry gazes into the distance, with his head, hands and general demeanour imbuing his personality with a sense of solidity and strength. The painting is in the collection of the Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum in Madrid, Spain. In 1536, Henry suffered a leg injury in a jousting accident. The wound festered chronically for the remainder of his life and became ulcerated, thus preventing him from maintaining the level of physical activity he had previously enjoyed. He became grossly obese, and this hastened his early death; the view that he suffered from syphilis has been dismissed by most historians. Painting credit: Hans Holbein the Younger
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The article Elinor Fettiplace you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Elinor Fettiplace for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 20:41, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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Issue 39, May – June 2020
On behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:13, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Hey Gavin! You were a massive help with Ashley, which got its star the other day with relatively little fuss. I don't suppose you'd be interested in having a look at my latest project, the Chandler's Ford shooting? As you can see it's not quite finished yet, but I don't think the main body is going to change much unless I've missed a major source. No rush, it might be next week before I get back to it, but if you had time to read through it (it's only a thousand words so far) and pick any nits that stood out I'd appreciate it. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Florence Petty you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of SNUGGUMS -- SNUGGUMS (talk) 03:02, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
The article Florence Petty you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Florence Petty for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of SNUGGUMS -- SNUGGUMS (talk) 01:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment about using the correct process during discussion about infoboxes.--MerielGJones (talk) 10:22, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
The article Ennio Morricone has been vandalized, and needs a rollback. Grimes2 (talk) 20:57, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello SchroCat, it's me, ya boi. Just wondering, do you think it's right that the intro of the Love Island page has been purged of all mentions of the controversies it has caused because of the suicides linked to the show? A admin who is a fan of the show has removed the small paragraph about it, saying it shouldn't be there. I'm not convinced this is right, what do you think? AmSam13 (talk) 12:36, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
The article Florence Petty you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Florence Petty for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of SNUGGUMS -- SNUGGUMS (talk) 12:22, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi SchroCat, would it suffice to include "Walpole was a descendant of Horatio Walpole, 1st Baron Walpole"? Not including any such detail seems quite an omission given that so many of his direct line of ancestors are notable enough to have articles here, particularly given the name "Walpole" is a fairly uncommon one and someone reading the article may well wonder about a link. Thanks for your feedback 78.144.69.56 (talk) 23:54, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I really laughed when I saw the image here [1]. Let me guess: fair-use trouble? EEng 03:52, 19 July 2020 (UTC) P.S. Got back out of bed to say I'm impressed by the amount of work you've done. Also insomnia.
You may know this already, but just in case: if you don't want to get pings from someone anymore, you can add them to your mute list. Preferences-->Notifications-->Muted users. It has made me a much happier person on occasion. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:32, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
This is to let you know that Jane Grigson has been scheduled as WP:TFA for 23 August 2020. Please check that the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/August 23, 2020. Thanks! Ealdgyth (talk) 14:24, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
That's not something we can decide as an individual editor" (I've leave aside how is "we" a "single editor"); as it is a single editor that decides to select (in this case you); it can be an individual editor (again, you) that decides not to select. Is there a reason you are deciding not to allow a nominator's wishes on this occasion? I and others have requested articles didn't run previously and those wishes have been honoured - as a basic courtesy if nothing else. Is this article of such high or strategic value that it must be run? If not, there is no reason not pick another one. As I've mentioned below, there are other reasons, one of which is that I am likely to be away around then, and if an article I have worked on has the misfortune to be on the front page, I would rather be around to deal with questions, comments or the drive-by editors making major changes. - SchroCat (talk) 07:40, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
On 28 July 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Peter Green (musician), which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 23:59, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
On 31 July 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Alan Parker, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Amakuru (talk) 20:38, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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Bloody good work with that SC! ——Serial 12:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC) |
Cheers Serial Number 54129. It wasn't in bad shape in the first place (I gave it a bit of a polish a couple of years ago, so it hadn't declined too much since then). Shame the old boy hadn't done more work: he was a classy director - one of the best British ones of the last part of the 20th century. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 13:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
I note your wholesale reversion of six edits that I made today, which added findagrave entries to the external links sections of the pages. You also requested that I "stop adding this as a link to various pages". I have re-read WP:FINDAGRAVE-EL; contrary to your implied rejection of the link, there is no mandatory exclusion regarding findagrave entries as external links.
Whilst I accept that some of the edits were to findagrave entries that did not include images and location information of graves, WP:FINDAGRAVE-EL is quite specific that "Sometimes, a link is acceptable because of a specific, unique feature or information that is not available elsewhere, such as valuable images and location information of graves." I have therefore reverted your reversion of the entry for Danny La Rue, and will verify whether or not others I added do meet the requirements of WP:FINDAGRAVE-EL, and act accordingly as I see fit within the guidelines. If you still have concerns, I respectfully recommend you see arbitration for the removal of the findagrave entry for that page. PårWöet (talk) 16:25, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
You're right about him being creepy, He got one of his friends to topic ban me after i disagreed with his edits on the Karlie Kloss article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Karlie_Kloss#Political_views Jaydoggmarco (talk) 05:55, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
FYI, I have just left a belated explanation and call-for-discussion on the talk page: Talk:Mary_Celeste#Citation_style --Quuxplusone (talk) 00:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
SchroCat, by the Grace of God! I read three books on the "Mary Celeste"; all of the Authorities on the subject talks in the case of "Dei Gratia" about a British vessel. I talking about Charles Fay, Paul Begg and Brian Hicks (and it was also explicit mentioned at the salvage hearings in Gibraltar). At least mention this significant detail then; you own history and the Wiki readers that. This is confusing and inaccurate, especially pertaining to the own page of the "Dei Gratia". 85.144.166.19 (talk) 22:02, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Re: this. Now I get it that you're brassed off with the RfC, as are a whole bunch of other people. I'm not going to take any action on that because I'd like somebody to close the RfC with the inevitable "no consensus"; however, it pretty much makes it impossible for me to sanction any other editor on that thread that you might want me to, because all they've got to do is say "aha, but why didn't you sanction SchroCat for telling another editor to bugger off?" and I'd have to do it, if nothing else to be fair. Can't you just ignore it? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:53, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi. It looks to me as if the drafter(s) of the RfC might be being personally selective on what points they will allow to be discussed in their draft RfC. Perhaps it's just simply up to everyone else to expannd the RfC with additional topics for discussion, particulary in regards to the several issues surrounding Voter Guides. For example (among the other suggestions with their rationales), you suggested that the guides should be dropped but I don't see that being up for discussion. However, as I take little interest nowadays since I abandoned my watchlist, I could of course have missed something, but that said, scrapping the voter guides is something I would come out of retirement for to strongly support .Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:11, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, forgot the link. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:14, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion concerning you at arbitration enforcement. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Do hope you'll reconsider. GoodDay (talk) 18:32, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi SchroCat,
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Portrait of Dürer's Father at 70 is an oil-on-linden-panel painting attributed to the German painter and printmaker Albrecht Dürer. Although a master goldsmith and well travelled, Albrecht Dürer the Elder, the painter's father, lived in poverty all his life. With his much younger wife, he fathered 17 children, of whom only two reached adulthood. He was supportive of his son's precocious talent and sent him to an apprenticeship with Michael Wolgemut, one of the most highly regarded painters in Nuremberg at the time. This portrait was painted in 1497, on his son's return, but whether it is the original work, or one of several copies done in the artist's workshop, is unclear. The painting currently hangs at the National Gallery, London. Painting credit: Albrecht Dürer (attributed)
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Books & Bytes
Issue 40, July – August 2020
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