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The result was delete. The snowball clause applies. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:24, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Total lack of sources for just about anything in this article (see talk) combined with some obvious hoaxes on Commons, e.g. File:NapoleonattacksVolterra.jpg which is Keith Rocco's The French Attack on Marengo leads me to believe this article is a hoax. Sam Sailor Talk! 12:50, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Sam Sailor Talk! 12:51, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict) Delete A search for sources by Sam Sailor (and by me) has found nothing except that Bartoli Family is the name of an Italian ice cream parlour here. And, this page goes into some detail in respect of the Bartoli name without including info. about this alleged family. Files at commons have been nominated for deletion. I agree it seems to be an invention. Eagleash (talk) 13:03, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete I can't even verify that there have ever been any Dukes of Volterra, let alone that the Bartoli family were amongst them. If the title did exist, it looks like the Annuario della Nobiltà Italiana might be the place to look; I don't read Italian, though, and can't find a copy online, so I'm not the person to check. If someone could verify that the title existed, that would be a start, but that wouldn't be enough to show that the family meets the notability requirement. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 14:48, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- And the more I think about this article, the more dubious it seems to me. A town in Italy being ruled by the same Ducal family 1190-1530, and then again 1665-1797, and then again 1815-1860, all under the same name? Without the main line of the family ever ending? It seems to stretch the bounds of credibility somewhat to imagine that twice after being overthrown the same family would be able to just waltz back in and re-establish power without seemingly having any trouble whatsoever. When we combine that with the fact that the Medici's rule over Volterra for more than a century isn't mentioned in the article on the Medici, and that the Medici did not lose their power in Tuscany in 1665 as the article states... Well, there's no real reason to believe that anything in the article is particularly accurate... Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 22:08, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as possible hoax, in the absence of any references. Perhaps the article creator should take a trip to the depository of of printed and bound information for refs.HappyValleyEditor (talk) 16:44, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete -- The number of redlinks in the article suggests to me, they are NN. The article on Volterra has notably weak history section, which implies that the town was subject to rule by Florence from the time of the Medicis. That does ot rule out local dukes or other nobles ruling under Florentine suzerainty, but the Grand Dukes of Tuscany were not royalty (though perhaps close to it); an inferior dukes certainly would not be. Whether it is a HOAX or not, it is such a bad article that it requires TNT. If it does have a genuine basis, the author would do better starting off with a History of Volterra, in which he could list the ruling dukes, similar to the articles on every British peerage, followed by biographies of any dukes who were notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:27, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Everyone mentioned from Augusto Giovanni Bartoli to Claudio Bartoli can't be confirmed in reliable sources. This is probably a hoax and the author ought to be blocked for persistent disruptive behavior. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:27, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as unsourced, also noting that previous editors think that this may be a hoax. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:28, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as total hoax.--Yopie (talk) 00:21, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as unsourced, very likely a hoax. I'm a bit expert on Tuscan history and I had never heard of this family before this article. I have't found any source about this Bartoli family from Volterra (Bartoli is a common surname in Tuscany and other bordering regions though), not to mention that the title of Duke was extremely rare in Tuscany being that Tuscany was a Grand Duchy from 1569 led by the House of Medici, until the extinction of its senior branch in 1737, and then by the House of Habsburg-Lorraine untill the Grand Duchy ceased to exist on 1859. Furthermore Volterra was never a Duchy. On May 4, 2014 in the Italian Wikipedia an article dedicated to a Bartoli family from Volterra has been deleted for lack of sources and suspected hoax, it was very likely created by the same author of this article. [1]. --Chiorbone da Frittole (talk) 22:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as unsourced and likely hoax. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 18:15, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as unsourced, very likely a hoax.--DThomsen8 (talk) 02:19, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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