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Category:Aqua Teen Hunger Force and Aqua Unit Patrol Squad 1 episodes

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The result of the discussion was: merge. If the new name sticks around for a couple years, we might reconsider.--Mike Selinker (talk) 18:53, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Aqua Teen Hunger Force and Aqua Unit Patrol Squad 1 episodes to Category:Aqua Teen Hunger Force episodes
Nominator's rationale: Per main article. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions) 23:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Ships of the line

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Consistency is not the only goal; brevity is often desirable; but clarity matters more. Although two editors find the old name clearer, five support the longer name, and some of those explicitly find the longer name clearer. I recognise some good arguments by Cjc13 but there is not sufficient justification here for a different outcome from other recent CFDs in this direction. (Non-admin closure.) – Fayenatic (talk) 08:29, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Ottoman Navy ships of the line to Category:Ships of the line of the Ottoman Navy
Propose renaming Category:French Navy ships of the line to Category:Ships of the line of the French Navy
Propose renaming Category:Portuguese Navy ships of the line to Category:Ships of the line of the Portuguese Navy
Propose renaming Category:Spanish Navy ships of the line to Category:Ships of the line of the Spanish Navy
Propose renaming Category:United States Navy ships of the line to Category:Ships of the line of the United States Navy
Nominator's rationale: Disputed speedy on the first two. Per the recent Royal Navy mega-CfD, ships-by-type subcategories of Category:Ships of the Fooian Navy are preferred to be in X of Y naming format, which also conforms with WP:NCCAT's naming directive for categories in this tree. The majority of subcategories of Category:Ships of the line by country are already in X of Y format as well. (Note that renaming of the USN cats to the preferred/policy/CfD confirmed format is in progress.) The Bushranger One ping only 22:27, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you think any other names are inappropriate then nominate them for discussion. As has previously been pointed out, WP:NCCAT DOES NOT stipulate the format "X of Y" for any tree. It only says that once such a format has been agreed for a given parent category it should generally been used for all the categories within that parent category and it lists categories where discussions have taken place. It does not say that it applies to all subcategroies of that tree. What it does say is that normal artlicle naming conventions such as WP:Commonname also apply to categories. WP:CCC should also been noted in particular "Past decisions are open to challenge and are not binding". . Cjc13 (talk) 12:30, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Formats are only agreed if there has been a discussion for that category. It may be that the X of Y format is not suitable for some categories or at least should be modified for some categories. Category:World War II ships for instance uses the YX format and comes under "Military" and "Ships". Are you proposing to change categories such as these too? Cjc13 (talk) 15:00, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • But then you would get Category:Ships of World War II of the United States Navy, which is a rather awkward thing. The difference here is that "United States Navy", etc. are subsets of their countries' governments, and therefore agents of the countries themselves, and thus fall under the directive to have cats in these trees named "...of country". "World War II", not being a country or agent of a country, does not qualify for "...of Y" status. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:08, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Firstly that is my point that unnecessary use of X of Y is itself rather an awkward thing, especially in this case. Secondly I do not think WP:NCCAT is so prescriptive. It does allow use of Y X format. It merely lists discussions for categories (not trees) that decided to use the X of Y format. Thirdly even then you appear to be stretching the definition of "...of country". Cjc13 (talk) 22:56, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possibly a bit stretched, but no more than others, given that the proposed format here is used by a majority of subcategories of the parent cat here, by all the existing topic articles/lists, and by the vast majority of sub-sub categories of Category:Ships by navy. Also, NCCAT says Categories of topics usually in the domain of the state are named "... of country" - not "should be", but "are", and the tree topped by Category:Military is listed as one of the explict examples, with Category:Ships also being in a section stating "Subcategories of these categories are named "... of country" - not "should be", but "are" - note it explictily says "subcategories" here too. While "Fooian Navy" is not "Fooia", WP:COMMONSENSE says that "Fooian" topics, in trees saying "of Fooia", should follow the same guideline as "Fooia" itself. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:31, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • By "subcategories" it only means the direct subcategories because it is only those categories that have been discussed. If it meant the whole tree there would have been a discussion about the whole tree. Personally I think there is a difference between "Fooia" and "Fooian Navy" categories and do not see why they have to be treated the same. For instance the Navy categories use Navy terms so if you use X of Y format you end up with categories such as "Naval bases of the Fooian Navy" rather than the more precise "Fooian Navy bases". The recent Cfd actually indicated a preference for the latter form in relation to naval bases. Cjc13 (talk) 14:07, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps that just means that most of them have been badly named. Many have been changed from the Y X to the X of Y category without discussion. If a standard has been established where was the discussion on the subject? Cjc13 (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's a bit of a circular argument - there was no discussion about the standard, but there was no discussion because there was the standard - even before the speedy changes, the standard was already established through standard practice, hence the speedies. In addition, there was the discussion here, which closed with consensus to rename the navy-ships-by-type categories there to X of Y - including a ships-of-the-line cat among those. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • If there was no discussion clearly the standard was NOT already established and is still not established. The Royal Navy discussion closed with some categories using the X of Y format and some using the Y X format. Personally I do not think that discussion showed a consensus. If there was an established standard then it was to use the Y X format, as before the recent changes that was the most common format. Cjc13 (talk) 12:18, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consensus does not necessarily require discussion. Consensus can be achieved through the normal editing process, which in this case, it was. And all of the ships-by-type categories in the RN discussion closed with "X of Y" - the "Y X" categories were non-ships categories; in addition, none of the categories it closed as keeping in "Y X" format were members of the Categories:Ships by navy > Category:Ships of the Royal Navy tree, with the exception of Category:Royal Navy ship names, which, not covering ships-by-type, is not relevant to whether these ships-by-type categories should be renamed. In addition, your statement that the "Y X" format was the most common format before the recent changes is not borne out by the facts - the majority of subcategories of Category:Ships by navy > Category:Ships of the Fooian Navy tree members were named using "X of Y" format before the recent changes as well, merely with the margin being approximately 500 to 100 instead of 550 to 50. (33 RN categories renamed, with another 20 having been renamed through CfDS being a generous estimate.) - The Bushranger One ping only 13:07, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Architects who committed suicide

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. I do not see a particular consensus here. Since the category is part of an established structure it would be better to discuss them all together. Ruslik_Zero 18:39, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Architects who committed suicide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection, as there is no systematic link between this profession and suicides. The notability of architects is established through their work and not strengthened by any particular mode of death. Previous general discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 October 3#Category:Suicides by occupation ended in no consensus due to the too general nature of the debate, and the suggestion was to discuss each category on its own merits. This category spams the parent Category:Architects distracting from useful categories. --Elekhh (talk) 22:06, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"But here it distracts from our educational mission". Hahahahahahahahaha. Good one. How does "There's no one-size fits all approach to this" become the opposite of my comment on this CfD? Maybe you can explain that one, professor. Lugnuts (talk) 19:12, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I normally should not reply to such an offensive and ignorant comment. You stated above "Keep as part of an established structure". Isn't that a "one-size fits all approach" by which you effectively say that such intersections should be kept because we already have a parent category? Does your comment include any specific element which applies to this category "on its own"? If you still fail to see the contradiction, I will have to doubt your capacity of judgement. Also please observe WP:CIVIL. Thank you. --Elekhh (talk) 20:17, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to insult you by explaining it. Thanks for your contributions so far though. Lugnuts (talk) 10:04, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Jun-11 Jul-11 Aug-11 Sep-11 Oct-11 Average
Category:Architects_who_committed_suicide 120 147 127 83 175 130
A.G. Bauer 98 93 97 94 133 103
Francesco Borromini 4489 2896 3528 3393 5899 4041
George Arthur Crump 292 297 275 257 256 275
Adolf Eichler 95 107 141 108 149 120
Heinz Rutha 151 168 175 144 202 168
Silvanus Trevail 168 170 189 342 208 215
Henry Jones Underwood 70 83 97 60 93 81
Alexander Wittek 125 149 105 121 162 132
  • The category is very useful because it helps people find articles they want to look up. Didn't you know that? I thought it was obvious. Category:Architects is also useful for the same reason - though it is not as useful because if you are not sure which architect you are looking for, you will have to look at far more articles. If you know that the architect you are looking for committed suicide, then this category will help you find his/her article more quickly.--Toddy1 (talk) 05:37, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes in general categories are useful. But you're not addressing though how this particular category is not trivial and an overcategorization. Looking for an architect who committed suicide is just as likely as looking for a bald architect, or any other non-defining characteristic. If we would have a category for each of these, the really useful ones like architects by century, nationality‎, critics‎, theoreticians‎, would get lost among the irrelevant ones. --Elekhh (talk) 06:38, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is not trivial; it is desirable. Next time you take a holiday, visit London, and go for long walks around the centre looking at buildings. You will see that there are many beautiful old buildings. But then you find a horrible modern building that was built in a gap caused by German bombing during the war. There are other horrible buildings built by people like Palumbo - for example No 1 Poultry. When you have done this you will understand why Category:Architects who committed suicide is not a trivial intersection - it is highly desirable - one that the architects of horrible buildings should be encouraged to join.--Toddy1 (talk) 20:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Alternative medicine meta articles

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The result of the discussion was: author requested deletion. -- Mentifisto 22:14, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Alternative medicine meta articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:SMALLCAT and not needed. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:56, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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American college basketball championship team navigational boxes

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:47, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The first category above should be renamed to convey that is it to contain navboxes for championshionship teams. The current name includes the word "roster", which implies something entirely different, i.e. that these are templates to be used to build roster tables in the body of articles. The second and third categories above should be changed for specificity along a number of dimensions: 1) NCAA Division, 2) "team" to denote that these are for championship teams and not the championship tournaments, 3) "navigational boxes" to denote template type. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Aetna class ironclad floating battery

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The result of the discussion was: do not delete, but renaming to Category:Aetna class ironclad floating batteries to pluralize. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:45, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Aetna class ironclad floating battery (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Single entry category with only the main article. Expansion is unlikely. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:42, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done--Toddy1 (talk) 15:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ironclad floating battery

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ironclad floating batteries for now, without prejudice to the creation of Category:Floating batteries or a similarly-named category that could act as a parent category for this one. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Ironclad floating battery to Category:Floating batteries
Nominator's rationale: Currently fully duplicates Category:Ironclad classes, but has a useful purpose at classing floating batteries as part of Category:Ships by type. The Bushranger One ping only 18:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
They have some similarities with 18th Century ships described as floating batteries, but were significantly different, having both armour and screw propulsion.
The proposed Category:Floating batteries is also open to objection in that the term floating battery can also mean a storage battery connected across an electric line or feeder to equalize the load and maintain the voltage constant.--Toddy1 (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps keep this one then (C2A'd to Category:Ironclad floating batteries) and add Category:Floating batteries (ship) then? - The Bushranger One ping only 22:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
But floating batteries are generally not ships, they are barges... 70.24.248.23 (talk) 05:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but floating battery (boat) just doesn't have that ring to it. =P Seriously though, as warships they fall under the remit of WP:SHIPS, hence, ship. (I personally wouldn't be concerned about it being confused with the electrical battery thing, but if there's concern...) - The Bushranger One ping only 06:26, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Floating artillery batteries would solve the incorrect disambiguator and confusion with storage batteries. 70.24.248.23 (talk) 06:38, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Except that's creating a term expressly for Wikipedia. "Floating battery" is the term used - not just for the barges, but also for ships like Faà di Bruno (which is here described as a monitor, but called a floating battery by Jane's). "Floating artillery battery" is a term that, while descriptive, is hardly ever, if at all, used - whereas Wikipedia's article on the ships is at Floating battery, with the power battery hatnoted as Deep cycle battery. So Floating battery as in vessel seems to be the primary topic here, and I'd like to have the cat at it if at all possible...however, if disambiguation must be had, the article gave me an idea: Category:Floating batteries (watercraft). - The Bushranger One ping only 10:39, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NDESC -- it is not creating a term, it is a descriptive phrase ; Category:Floating batteries (watercraft) is also fine by me though. 70.24.248.23 (talk) 14:08, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • You agree that there is still the need for Category:Ironclad floating battery.
  • Has anybody ever written articles on the many floating batteries that were not ironclad floating batteries? Because if they have not, then Category:Floating batteries (watercraft) is likely to be empty. (I assume that a preamble to the category would explain that it was intended to cover those boats/ships that served as floating batteries that were not ironclad floating batteries.)--Toddy1 (talk) 11:47, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:New Jersey Institute of Technology Highlanders men's basketball

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (Given that there was no consensus to rename these in a 2009–10 discussion, I think these were appropriately dealt with outside of the speedy rename processes.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:44, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming:
Nominator's rationale: Rename both. I understand that the old guarde of category names stick by the tenet to always spell out names, but in this case it actually goes against what someone would be looking for. New Jersey Institute of Technology uses "NJIT" in all of their athletic team names, not the school spelled out, and fans looking up the athletic category would search for NJIT. A very minor secondary reason is for space economy; renaming the categories would be making them more user-friendly and less elongated. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Television production concepts

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Television terminology. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:56, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Television production concepts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: I have a similar problem with the "production concepts" subcat (Screenwriting as a "concept"?). I've added Category:Television terminology as a parent and there's a merge possibility there, but we could also simply create Category:Television production, concept-free. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:48, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Television broadcasting concepts

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Television terminology. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Television broadcasting concepts to Category:Television programming
Nominator's rationale: "Concepts" is a vague scheme and it would help navigation I believe if this category was deleted or upmerged. Some might also wish to move some of the contents to Category:Television terminology. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Belz Hasidism

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy renamed C2B/C2C. The Bushranger One ping only 11:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Belz Hasidism to Category:Belz (Hasidic dynasty)
Propose renaming Category:Chernobyl Hasidism to Category:Chernobyl (Hasidic dynasty)
Propose renaming Category:Sanz Hasidism‎ to Category:Sanz (Hasidic dynasty)
Propose renaming Category:Ruzhin Hasidism‎ to Category:Ruzhin (Hasidic dynasty)
Propose renaming Category:Vizhnitz Hasidism‎ to Category:Vizhnitz (Hasidic dynasty)
Propose renaming Category:Skver Hasidism to Category:Skver (Hasidic dynasty)
Propose renaming Category:Satmar Hasidism to Category:Satmar (Hasidic dynasty)
Propose renaming Category:Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidism to Category:Chabad-Lubavitch (Hasidic dynasty)
Propose renaming Category:Ger Hasidism to Category:Ger (Hasidic dynasty)
Nominator's rationale: Consistent with main article name. Chesdovi (talk) 11:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Reservoirs in Syracuse, New York

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The result of the discussion was: merge per no objections. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:43, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Category:Reservoirs in Syracuse, New York to Category:Reservoirs in New York
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorisation, little potential expansion with no established scheme. The Bushranger One ping only 05:28, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cold War aerial bombs of the Soviet Union

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. As a compromise, I suppose Category:Aerial bombs of the Soviet Union could be created to simply hold the Cold War category if we need to link this into the by-country scheme. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:53, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Cold War aerial bombs of the Soviet Union to Category:Aerial bombs of the Soviet Union
Nominator's rationale: Currently only has two entries, but has room for expansion - but should be part of a tree of aerial bombs by country, the roots of which exist, before subcategorising by era/country intersection. The Bushranger One ping only 05:18, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Modern aerial bombs of Russia

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:42, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Modern aerial bombs of Russia to Category:Aerial bombs of Russia
Nominator's rationale: Multiple previous discussions have indicated the "Modern" category qualifier is something to be avoided; this category does have a purpose though as part of the (partially-)established tree of aerial bombs. The Bushranger One ping only 05:15, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aircraft turboshaft engines

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Aircraft turboshaft engines to Category:Turboshaft engines
Nominator's rationale: The qualifier "aircraft" is unneeded; Category:Turbojet engines, Category:Turbofan engines and Category:Turboprop engines do not qualify them as "aircraft", and shouldn't. Piston engines are specialised for aviation use, but, by and large, a gas turbine is a gas turbine. By-decade subcats to be speedied if passed. The Bushranger One ping only 04:29, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Gold status games

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Gold status games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This category is overly broad and essentially will include every released video game. I do not believe a category is needed for a transient state like this. Games that never go gold are likely to not be notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. ferret (talk) 01:28, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - makes no sense to have this category.--EchetusXe 18:01, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - nonsensical. Neutralitytalk 04:46, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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