- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose renaming
- Procedural relisting. This is a procedural relisting of the most of the categories discussed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 October 26#Category:Gansu_politicians.
- The nomination was a little unclear about the fact that it was proposed to rename more than one category, so while there was a consensus there to rename Category:Gansu politicians to Category:Politicians from Gansu, it is not clear that there was a consensus to rename the others. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:54, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Previous discussion relisted below:
- Nominator's rationale: Please see below for "umbrella" reasons. --Nlu (talk) 15:02, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There needs to be uniformity in the naming geographical subcategories of Category:Chinese politicians. I would like a general discussion on the issue, and, while as I explain below, I would prefer "Politicians from <province/city>," if the discussion results in "<Province/city> politicians," I will accept that; consistency is more important, regardless. I am planning on creating further geographic subcategories for the politicians category after this discussion results in a consensus, and we definitely need to decide on this before I can do that. (I am leaving Hong Kong and Macau off the discussion; those involve even more complicated category trees which I have insufficient expertise/confidence to tackle at the moment, and is probably better driven by Wikipedians with greater familiarity with those two SARs.)
Currently, the geographic subcategories that fall under Category:Chinese politicians are named in two different types. These are:
- Under "Politicians from <province/city>":
- Under "<Province> politicians":
- Category:Anhui politicians
- Category:Gansu politicians
- Category:Hainan politicians
- Category:Heilongjiang politicians
- Category:Inner Mongolian politicians (note slightly different wording; should be renamed for consistency to Category:Inner Mongolia politicians if the <Province> politicians wording is used)
- Category:Sichuan politicians
- Category:Yunnan politicians
A number of provinces/other provincial level entities never had such categories created either by me or anyone else, presumably due to the uncertainty due to the inconsistency in the category names. (Chongqing, Fujian, Guangxi, Guizhou, Hebei, Henan, Hubei, Hunan, Jiangsu, Jilin, Ningxia, Qinghai, Shaanxi, Shandong, Shanxi, Shaanxi, Tianjin, Tibet (although that may be another whole can of worms), Xinjiang, and Zhejiang.)
In my opinion, "Politicians from <province/city>" is a better formulation. It is less ambiguous and less POV. Further, while "<Province> politicians" may not sound awkward, I think "<City> politicians" begins to sound awkward -- there's something that doesn't quite feel right when you begin to talk about "Tianjin politicians" or "Chongqing politicians" (or even smaller divisions, as it may reasonably become necessary given the mass population that China has). (See also the Category:Politicians by city hierarchy.) But again, consistency is more important, and I'd be happy to abide whatever the consensus is. --Nlu (talk) 15:22, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:54, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support rename in all categories. John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:47, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support in principle but are we sure that all the people are categorised by the place they came from rather than the place they rule. WE may need separate trees by origin and by engagement. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:22, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I plan to be going through the tree once this discussion is over to make sure; however, there is precedent in also considering a person to be "from" a place where he/she gained prominence (which I disagree with, but there are clear examples all over Wikipedia in which that is done). I am planning on trying to place everyone in their birth provinces as much as possible. --Nlu (talk) 14:58, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.