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Category:Keynote Speaker

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 15:20, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is essentially a performers by performance category. Having been a keynote speaker for something is not a defining characteristic and in most cases is hardly even noteworthy for a biographical article. If fully populated, the category would be enormous. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:59, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sylheti writing system

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 15:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 3 pages, one of which is proposed for deletion and all of which are already in Category:Sylheti language. Fails WP:SMALLCAT. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:40, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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1846 in Nebraska

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. – Fayenatic London 14:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The state was only established in 1867. The member article Florence Park is already correctly categorised as established in Indian Territory. . – Fayenatic London 16:08, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agree: I created these categories but did not realize they are cats for an, at the time, non-existent entity. Gjs238 (talk) 22:53, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:List A cricket leagues

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 15:26, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The cricket leagues one is a duplicate category, so should be merged. Category:List A cricket competitions would be the correct name (as all leagues are competitions, but not vice versa) Joseph2302 (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Metafictional characters

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:02, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:SUBJECTIVECAT) and maybe WP:OR
According to the header on the category, this " is for fictional characters who display an awareness that they exist in a work of fiction". Bugs Bunny, Deadpool, Frank Underwood routinely break the fourth wall and those articles all use that term, although none use the word "metafictional", which is the norm for articles in this category. Determining self awareness leads to subjectivity: The Brown Hornet knows he's a super hero on a cartoon but does he know that not a real show and is just a segment within Fat Albert? Kermit the Frog knows he's on TV as the host of a variety show but does he know he's a puppet and not an actual frog?
(Alternatively, maybe this isn't defining at all and we should delete the category. In that case, I copied the current category contents right here so no work is lost if another editor wants to create an article similar to List of metafictional works.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 17 June 2021 (UTC) [reply]
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Category:Clean-up categories

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. bibliomaniac15 04:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Extended content
Nominator's rationale: Consistency with the category Category:Wikipedia maintenance categories sorted by month, and accuracy. The categories that populate these categories are exactly the categories in Category:Wikipedia maintenance categories sorted by month, this is how the monthly category system works. Additionally, not all of the categories contained are cleanup categories. For example, categories such as Category:Use British English from April 2020‎ are contained in Category:Clean-up categories from April 2020 - which is not a cleanup category, but a maintenance one. The current name implies all subcategories contain issues to be cleaned-up, which is entirely untrue and very misleading. Therefore, they should be renamed.
We might also want to consider separating monthly clean-up categories from monthly maintenance ones, but that would be far more difficult to work with the current infrastructure than this rename, so I don't see a reason to not do this rename based off of that. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:46, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I'll add it to the list of "Problems where there isn't a noticeboard, group or individual to go to to get a change done". Liz Read! Talk! 05:36, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, when I originally posted about this in a few places (I think WikiProject Cleanup and WikiProject Categories) I didn't get much of a response. Seems like you're one of the main people working on this so I'll just reach out to you next time - or maybe put up some organizational pages in project-space? Shrug. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Liz and Elli: A month and a half late, but let me know if anything happens. I also check these things; mainly for stuff to clean up, be it articles with problems or categories that are blank and need to be hard-purged so they appear in Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 02:04, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 17 June 2021 (UTC) [reply]
It seems to me that Category:Clean-up categories contains Wikipedia maintenance categories by month and then by issue, whereas Category:Wikipedia maintenance categories sorted by month contains Wikipedia maintenance categories by issue and then by month. Renaming them to something like that might add clarity for someone coming across them the first time. However, renaming – and especially renaming all the nominated sub-cats – is not required for the benefit of editors who actually use these categories, and would cause them some (unpredictable) amount of extra work to update their workflows, and perhaps also some loss of continuity.
As the nominator has not provided links to prior notices/discussions on project pages, let's ping @Anomie and Gonnym: to invite their input in case they have not commented already.
Would it be a fairly simple matter to rename just the top Category:Clean-up categories to e.g. Category:Wikipedia dated maintenance categories by month? How much more work/disruption would you foresee if the monthly subcats were renamed too? – Fayenatic London 06:28, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I commented and deleted my response, but in general there is a huge mess with the whole tracking categories area of Wikipedia and pages are placed in clean-up when there is no cleanup, or maintenance when there is none to be done. Not sure if this is really the venue to sort that though. To the matter at hand, I support adding the prefix "Wikipedia" and a slight preference for the word "maintenance" over "cleanup". Gonnym (talk) 12:36, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia featured sound contributors

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The result of the discussion was: delete as WP:SOFTDELETE. – Fayenatic London 15:44, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Featured sounds is marked as historical. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:00, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia featured portal contributors

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The result of the discussion was: delete as WP:SOFTDELETE. – Fayenatic London 15:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Featured portals is no longer operational. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:00, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Books by Leonard Woolf

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only contains one article and is likely to only ever contain one article. Dan arndt (talk) 01:58, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Genocide deniers

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The result of the discussion was: keep as container category (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 15:30, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category was deleted by consensus in 2007. I have re-created it as a parent category for Category:Deniers of the Armenian genocide, Category:Deniers of the Bosnian genocide, Category:Holocaust deniers, and Category:Deniers of the genocide of Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia. Should the category be kept or re-deleted? If kept, should it be limited to a container category? Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:49, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Died in Bydgoszcz

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 11:07, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: City of death is probably not defining; there is no overall scheme for deaths by city. This could be upmerged to Category:Deaths in Poland, but that seems to be more of a container category. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:46, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:COVID Recovery Group members

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 06:44, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:COVID Recovery Group members
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OPINIONCAT, WP:PERFCAT, and WP:SUBJECTIVECAT)
According to the COVID Recovery Group article, "is an informal group of Conservative MPs in the United Kingdom who opposed the UK government's decision to introduce a second period of lockdown measures". Members of Parliament have opinions on many topics and just about all will have multiple opinions on different aspects to the COVID19 responses. Also this group will presumably be short lived and, since this is an informal group, the inclusion criteria maybe be imprecise. I just listified the category contents right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:05, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:OCLC members

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 15:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting Category:OCLC members
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:TRIVIALCAT)
The OCLC (formerly the Online Computer Library Center) is a combination trade association and subscription service and this category is for library articles, not biographies. Right now the Missoula Public Library is the only article in this category but WP:SMALLCAT is not the problem here: the OCLC maintains the WorldCat database and, according to that article, there are "15,600 libraries in 107 countries that participate in the OCLC global cooperative". The main article discusses criticism that the organization functions as a monopoly in the library industry. This is way too ubiquitous to be defining for libraries. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:05, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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