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Category:Genocide deniers

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 15:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Genocide deniers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete: Pure POV, and intended for those who deny the Armenian Genocide. Note that in addition to being proposed here, it must be removed from living people articles immediately, per WP:BLP. —Ashley Y 23:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's POV to call someone a "genocide denier" when the details of what they said vs. the available facts are always particular. In the case of a living person, it will almost always be contrary to WP:BLP. And I know nothing about and have no interest in whether the Armenian whatever was genocide or not. I'm not a particular fan of Lewis either. —Ashley Y 05:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Literature festivals

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 16:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Literature festivals to Category:Literary festivals
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Category:Television protagonists

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 16:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television protagonists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Wasn't the protagonist category deleted as being too vague to define. Buffy is a protagonist - is Willow? Every character of Lost? All three sisters on Charmed? Both brothers on Supernatural? Every hero on Heroes? Category adds little value, a character's relevance to plot should be handled in the article itself as it is highly dependent on context. ~ZytheTalk to me! 22:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Patent Medicines

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The result of the debate was moved to CfD speedy rename section. David Kernow (talk) 01:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Patent Medicines renamed to Category:Patent medicines
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Category:Canadian_Forces

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The result of the debate was keep/withdrawn. the wub "?!" 16:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Canadian_Forces into Category:Military_of_Canada
Yes, but how do we then categorise topics relating to the RCN, RCAF, etc? Subcategorisation is no bad thing thing—Category:Military of the United Kingdom does something similar for the Army, RN, and RAF. --Xdamrtalk 17:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you're saying about the CF being a distinct entity from any of the services that preceded it, and I agree with you that those services should have their own categories. One can talk about the RCAF without involving the rest of the military; however, the opposite is not true. "The CF" means all three elements and their collective histories together, and it is at that point that the distinction between "articles that pertain to The CF" and "articles about Canada's military" seems to blur. Flakeloaf 18:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That's right, it is not—the 'Canadian Forces' are a unified amalgam of the old Canadian army, RCN, and RCAF. There is no longer such a thing as the Royal Canadian Navy, instead we have the maritime element of the Canadian Forces, and so on. 'Canadian Forces' is the single and sole fighting institution in Canada.
This isn't a precedent that has been copied by any of the major world militaries, so it probably looks a little strange. Of course, whether it was a good thing for Canada to do is another question...
Xdamrtalk 16:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Having marched in a few purple trade parades I've often asked myself the same question :). Flakeloaf 17:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So basically this category only excludes historical or defunct military units and topics, but is otherwise synonymous with "military of Canada"? Postdlf 17:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Insofar as these topics do not relate to the modern institution of the Canadian Forces, then yes, they are excluded. --Xdamrtalk 17:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But as there is Category:Military history of Canada to separate out anything that is not current, I'm not seeing the benefit of a category just for what the military is presently named, as it would contain anything in the military category that is not in the military history subcategory, correct? Because of this, I think it should be merged. Postdlf 17:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Category:Military_of_Canada should contain both the historical and the current. Therefore, it can include both Category:Military history of Canada and Category:Canadian Forces. MCG 22:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rather than proposing this merger, I think it would be far more productive to visit Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Canadian military history task force (where Canadian military categories are being discussed) and propose content guidelines to help define where things belong. MCG 22:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Straths and glens

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Glens of Scotland. the wub "?!" 20:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Straths and glens to Category:Valleys of Scotland
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Category:Fictional narcissists

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 16:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional narcissists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete, hopelessly subjective and vague, and inextricably OR. The category includes a list of supposed traits these characters share, but it just equivocates all characters that show any degree of vanity, arrogance, ambition, or simply childish self-absorption; nowhere else on earth would you find Macbeth lumped in with Calvin from Calvin & Hobbes and the holographic Doctor from Star Trek: Voyager.
Lest someone argue that a precise definition could be arrived at, it will still always be completely unstable and meaningless without context, as an intra-textual comparison to other characters in the same work to judge who is narcissistic will yield different results than an inter-textual comparison between characters of different works (everyone in Beverly Hills: 90210 is probably narcissistic by the standards of Little House on the Prairie, even if not intended as such within that show).
This is regrettably the third nomination for this category, the previous two having ended "no consensus" despite the complete failure of the largely unelaborated and often irrelevant "keep" comments to address any of the criticisms raised. This should instead follow the deletion precedents on similar character-by-personality trait categories, such as promiscuous fictional characters or hyperactive fictional characters. Postdlf 19:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- so add Narcissus to the category, lazy-ass.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.150.124.166 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 19 January 2007
  • That's just as POV, if not worse. The sociopath, narcissist and psychopath categories only survived this long because they sound vaguely professional but are in fact no less POV than "fictional overeaters" or "hyperactive fictional characters".~ZytheTalk to me! 21:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm, two more categories that shouldn't have been deleted. Pretty soon they'll be saying "Fictional characters with the power to shapeshift" is too subjective to define. Who renamed that anyway? "Fictional characters with the power to shapeshift" is much harder to say than just "Fictional shapeshifters." But I digress. The point is, Fictional egomaniacs is much easier to define than Fictional narcissists because it just means someone who loves or has an inflated opinion of themselves. For instance people like Hyacinth Bucket or Cutler Beckett. Anon (let no-one say my comment was unsigned). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.241.18 (talkcontribs)
  • Please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~ "Anon" is not an acceptable signature because it doesn't identify under what account a post was made. It would also be best if you registered an account to get a stable identity rather than a shifting IP address.
  • So how do you identify when a fictional character has an "inflated" self-opinion? Postdlf 18:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, they don't care for anyone but themselves. And they think they're so good, but seriously, they suck. Anything else I could list? - Ndrly 06:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • With characters like Count Olaf and Jadis it's obvious because they never stop going on about how brilliant they are. It's almost as obvious in the case of Yzma or say the Fairy Godmother from Shrek 2 because they have images of themselves everywhere. It's more subtle in the case of such characters as Cutler Beckett or Ganon but it's apparent in their mannerisms, ambitions and the way they treat everyone else like inferiors or slaves. ~~Anon~~
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Category:C.D. Chivas USA

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The result of the debate was speedy rename. WoohookittyWoohoo! 12:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:C.D. Chivas USA to Category:Chivas USA
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Category:Barbadian telecommunications companies

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 16:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Barbadian telecommunications companies to Category:Telecommunications companies of Barbados
Propose renaming Category:Communications companies of Barbados to

Category:Telecommunications companies of Barbados

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Category:Banburyshire Schools

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The result of the debate was merge. the wub "?!" 16:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Schools in Oxfordshire, or Rename to Category:Schools in Banbury. -- Prove It (talk) 16:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Shows on Turner Classic Movies

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Turner Classic Movies shows. It seems the majority of related categories use "shows" and also avoids "programs"/"programmes" arguments. the wub "?!" 16:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Turner Classic Movies shows, convention of Category:Television series by network. -- Prove It (talk) 15:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Predominantly African American Christian denominations

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The result of the debate was no consensus. the wub "?!" 20:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Predominantly African American Christian denominations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Comment: this would seem more of an argument for renaming, not deletion. In fact, these denominations have few if any non-African Americans. The category is neither arbitrary nor subjective. Thus, the argument raised shows ignorance of the subject. I would ask that editors please not vote unless you have first carefully considered the issue and read through the relevant articles. The editor above clearly has done neither. Badagnani 08:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Clergy of predominantly African American Christian denominations

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The result of the debate was no consensus. the wub "?!" 20:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Clergy of predominantly African American Christian denominations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Category:Korean phrases

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The result of the debate was merge. the wub "?!" 16:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Korean phrases (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

We already have Category:Korean words and phrases. Wikipeditor 15:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Eponymous laws

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 14:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Eponymous laws (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Category:St Bartholomew School of Nursing & Midwifery

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 16:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, only one member, and it's a strub. -- Prove It (talk) 14:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tahirids

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 16:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming : I think Category:Tahirid dynasty is better because the other dynasty categorie are like that as in Category:Afsharid dynasty , Category:Achaemenid dynasty , Category:Sassanid dynasty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soroush83 (talkcontribs)

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Category:Settlements by region

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The result of the debate was keep. the wub "?!" 16:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Settlements by region to Category:Populated places by region
Also, all of the Category:Settlements in ... to Category:Populated places in ....
I've no view on the Israeli connection, it certainly doesn't seem a compelling reason to rename in my view—other editors might think differently. However 'populated places' seems vaguely clumsy and seems to subtly shift the emphasis in a way which I can't quite put my finger on, but which seems to me to be wrong.
Xdamrtalk 14:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As I noted above, my paper dictionary (the only one of mine that I'm able to check at the moment) has a definition of 'settlement' which encompasses this usage. The relevant part of the definition is as follows:
Settlement (n)
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8. A collection of dwellings forming a community, esp. on a frontier.
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(Taken from the Collins English Dictionary (HarperCollins, 2000)).
Xdamrtalk 20:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Missionaries by denomination

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 16:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Missionaries by denomination to Category:Christian missionaries by denomination
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Category:American Free Methodist bishops

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The result of the debate was 'Upmerge to 2 parent cats per nom

Category:American Free Methodist bishops (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Unnecessary subcat of Category:Free Methodist bishops, which has only 14 members (this subdivision contains only 4 articles). BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Missionaries to Hawaii

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 16:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Missionaries to Hawaii to Category:Christian missionaries in Hawaii
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Category:Missionaries to California

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 16:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Missionaries to California to Category:Christian missionaries in the United States
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Category:United States National Guard soldiers

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 16:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:United States National Guard soldiers to Category:Enlisted personnel of the United States Army National Guard
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Category:Roman Catholics musicians

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The result of the debate was delete the nominated category i.e. Category:Roman Catholics musicians. Please read the nomination and comments when !voting. the wub "?!" 16:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As it's empty and redundant with Category:Roman Catholic musicians. The creator of it's only 15 years old so I'm guessing it's just an accident.--T. Anthony 10:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Finally! You might be the first person to realize that what I nominated was Category:Roman Catholics musicians for being empty and redundant. I did not nominate Category:Roman Catholic musicians and I fear now it'll be nominated by some overzealous person terrified by "overcategorization."--T. Anthony 21:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have now nominated Category:Roman Catholics musicians for deletion. Thank you for pointing out the oversight. Dr. Submillimeter 00:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the vote, but again this isn't really about that. I just nominated this as redundant and misspelled. It's more like a procedural thing. Maybe I should've put this on speedy delete, but the only speedy deal we seem to have for categories is "rename."--T. Anthony 08:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Referendum

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Referendums. Vegaswikian 03:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Referendum to Category:Referenda
To Referenda
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  1. Support Referenda. - Kittybrewster 12:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Referenda. TonyTheTiger 22:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Referenda. It is the correct linguistic and grammatical form, and it is used regularly by the BBC and many major newspapers. Baristarim 11:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
To Referendums
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  1. Rename to Category:Referendums, which is the more correct plural. Timrollpickering 09:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. I'm naturally inclined towards 'referenda', however taking a look at Referendum I see that the OED deprecates this for what appear to be soundish reasons. Therefore I (somewhat reluctantly) support 'referendums'. :Xdamrtalk 14:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Rename to Referendums, which is more common and thus what should be used here. Xiner (talk, email) 15:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Referendums per OED. Recury 17:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Rename to Referendums, per OED, although like Xdamr I was surprised to discover that I've been engaging in a hyperforeignism all these years. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 08:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Rename, with surprise and a certain reluctance, as described by Xdamr and Josiah Rowe. – Kieran T (talk) 19:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Referendum comments
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Presumably it stems from an assumption that it follows the 'Stadium'/'Stadia' plural form - that was certainly my initial response until I learned that I was probably wrong. --Xdamrtalk 23:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've looked up one or two paper dictionaries and have found both 'referenda' and 'referendums' listed. Undoubtedly the OED is correct, but I suppose the 'erroneous' spelling has achieved some sort of validity through generations of mistaken usage.
Xdamrtalk 20:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Singers by religion

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The result of the debate was delete. This is pretty borderline but considering that a no consensus result wouldn't please anyone, I've gone with the majority opinion. the wub "?!" 16:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all as intersection by irrelevent religion. -- Prove It (talk) 03:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My initial position was that there probably is Sikh or Muslim or Hindu equivalents of Christian music so these should just stay. However we don't have Category:Christian singers, instead we have Category:Christian musicians. So I'm thinking that as Category:Hindu musicians and Category:Muslim musicians aren't overcrowded they can take in the names from here. Why Category:Sikh singers was the only thing for Sikh music is probably because Sikhs are a much smaller religion so it didn't go by standard.--T. Anthony 19:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fixing the above problem, though, can be corrected by updating the category's description and deleting inappropriate articles, or possibly renaming the category if desired. It wouldn't require deleting the category entirely. Dugwiki 22:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Incorporated areas in Florida

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The result of the debate was Merge Duja 16:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Settlements in Florida, convention of Category:Settlements in the United States by state. -- Prove It (talk) 02:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Characters from McLeod's Daughters

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 16:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:McLeod's Daughters characters, convention of Category:Television characters by series. -- Prove It (talk) 01:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:ApMasterSite

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The result of the debate was already deleted. David Kernow (talk) 01:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not a category -- Prove It (talk) 00:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:4A window

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETED, misplaced article and spam to boot. Postdlf 18:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not a category ... -- Prove It (talk) 00:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional bald characters

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The result of the debate was deleted and salted. >Radiant< 09:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete / Salt, see also Category:Fictional characters by hair color, and discussion of December 20th. -- Prove It (talk) 00:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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