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I've heard that new accounts on English Wikipedia have defaulted to V/E since Oct 2015. Is that true and if so when was the change on other languages? ϢereSpielChequers 13:26, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
I just created a User:ThparkthNewUserSock1 new user account to try to understand what a new editor actually sees. I have two immediate observations.
I tried to see the VE itself through a newbie's eyes, and I honestly can't see anything in it that would slow them down or confuse them. The things it can't do aren't likely to be relevant to those early edits. I would say that the "help" panes that appear in place of drop-down menus the first time you use them (with the "Okay, got it" button) are actually unhelpful and break discoverability slightly. On the whole though I don't believe it is the VE itself that has led to the slump WSC has identified.
HOWEVER - I do think that the rather confusing "double edit button" situation may be a factor. The VE has not really been "made the default" - it has been enabled as an option by default. But facing new users with a choice they don't understand ("edit source" or just "edit?"), further undermined by odd cueing (at the very least "edit source" should be offered to the right of "edit" to cue people about which is the "normal" thing to click on), leads overall to an experience which is more confusing than before.
Thparkth (talk) 15:09, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
We can drill down a bit more into the data. I've got the data for the number of new registered users who register on every day last years. Roughly 10000 new user register every day, 80% of these never make an edit. There are some interesting spikes in the data
New users registered per day
Graphs are unavailable due to technical issues. There is more info on Phabricator and on MediaWiki.org. |
There are some big spikes in new user registration about the beginning of April with a peek on 21 April 2015. There is a drop in early July and a slow rise since then, but not recovering to the figures at the start of the year.
These changes don't really seem to affect number of editors making 10 or more edits
Number of new editors registered per day who make more than 10 edits
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There are no obvious jumps which might correlate to software changes. There are some odd spikes which seem to occur on some days with a strong day of the week effect. There is a tail off towards the end of the year. There might be sleepers, users who register but wait a while to get round to edit. --Salix alba (talk): 17:51, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Why are we not A/B testing this? Assigning new users at random to the different use cases would surely let us tease these different influences apart. If the VE is improving things, that's great, and we should forge ahead with deployment. If not, we will need to think very carefully about why this might not be the case. -- The Anome (talk) 10:37, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
I've just posted information about an upcoming change for editors who have the visual editor enabled. The information is at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 52#Single edit tab. If you currently have two edit tabs (Edit/Edit source), then this will give you the options of having only one Edit button, if you prefer that. Please read that information, and share it with other editors. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:00, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Using VisualEditor, I attempted to create a link to Pakistan–United_States_relations#Relations_During_the_Cold_War_Era in one of Wikipedia's articles, but the section anchor #Relations_During_the_Cold_War_Era was omitted from the link after I saved the page. How is it possible to link to sections of articles with VisualEditor? Jarble (talk) 00:13, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Since yesterday I have had a problem of the save page request not going away after the explanation is entered and save is clicked on. The original edit is saved, even though the request is still there. Thank you. Rybkovich (talk) 17:24, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Hello, there has been some discussion at the help desk as to whether it is possible to move a page using the vis. ed. As a result there was some experimentation with an editor's user sub page and it was found that vis. ed. → more → move opens an identical menu to move a page as does the source editor. The page moved successfully but in the history is not tagged "visual editor" as would normally be the case. Does clicking 'move' automatically switch one to source editing. (Just need to satisfy my curiosity really...no problem to report as such). Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 01:53, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
As a WP gnome, one of the categories I take care of is Category:CS1 errors: PMC, where errors typically show up at a rate of two or three a week. All of a sudden, I have seen about fifteen errors in the last couple of days, and seven just in the last five hours. I noticed that all seven of those edits – [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], and [7] – were made with Visual Editor, and by six different editors. This leads me to guess that a citation generation tool within Visual Editor was modified or deployed recently, and that the citation tool in question generates invalid values for |PMC=
within citation templates. |PMC=
should contain only the PMC identifying number, not the letters "PMC".
Does someone here know how to try to track this down and, if it is a bug, fix it? Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:30, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
See also: Archived Discussion about this problem
The (still unsolved) problem is that in the VE the cursor jumps to the beginning of a paragraph when the Shift key is pressed. That makes it nearly impossible to type any upper case letters or special characters (e.g. "%"). However, once I am at the beginning of a paragraph I can type, e.g. GDP, so that the cursor doesn't jump back after the first character. I have the problem on MacOS (10.9.5) both in Safari and Chrome, so it's not browser-dependent. It's highly reproducible but apparently not always. Restarting my Mac or browser doesn't help. As far as I can remember, this is a fairly new problem (a couple of months ?). Any solution to this?Thanks! Peteruetz (talk) 16:45, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
It is hard to put | style="text-align: center;" |
in every cell of the table, and impossible to centralise the text when editing via VisualEditor. Can something please be done about this? Or is there a way to centralise them via VE?--Kailash29792 (talk) 11:51, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
As far as I know, there is still no user-friendly interface for talk pages on Wikipedia. Since the WP:FLOW project was cancelled, are there any plans to enable VisualEditor on Wikipedia's talk pages? Jarble (talk) 22:25, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the portal for the VisualEditor, a way of editing Wikipedia being developed by the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) that does not require editors to learn wikimarkup. Until VisualEditor, editors had to learn wikimarkup to make most edits. In 2001, this difficulty was acceptable; now, it drives away some contributors. VisualEditor will allow people to edit all pages without having to learn wikitext markup and will hopefully encourage more readers to become editors.
If this were a normal page, I would have slapped a WP:POV on it and ask the author to expand on their contention- and explain that the wlink used does not support the text.I would explain that the correlation illuded to was not causal and the tone was not neutral. There is an aspiration that can now be tested- as time has passed should this be removed- or rewritten giving the results onf the research.
Perhaps this needs to be discussed, and possibly the first sentence kept, and the rest moved to a history section. --ClemRutter (talk) 07:43, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Please purge the attempted page. Sorry for misunderstanding. I will not try to make it acceptable to Wikipedia. Thank you. Robert Louis Covington (talk) 23:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
素素的小站 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 杨素芳 (talk • contribs) 03:19, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I am Quek157
I had for the past 2 hours extensively cleanup the page of any COPYVIOs/ reorganized the page extensively, changed all the formats and it can be a much better work. But all gone to waste due to the visual editor switched to source editing due to edit conflict. No one is editing it with me and then I previewed a version to reconciliate the conflict but then the version is the previous version. Unknowingly, I accidentally pressed back to editing, which then is the previous version. Result: all of my 2 hours of hard work is gone, all the paraphrasing are gone and I am quite upset about it but will try to redo this. Just as in academics, I had whole copies of notes (after reading through journals as well as annals, then saved wrongly and then lost) and I had to redo the entire note once again. I apparently did not learn from this mistake but I will still try to bring the article to the better revise version which now only reside in my minds.
I fully appreciate the editor as wikitext maybe hard to understand. The page is Canberra Plaza. I just will like to feedback this just that new editors doesn't get discouraged about it. When it is gone, I am so upset for a moment and then decided to take a "wikibreak" again as I did so some years ago. This kind of things for newer editors may totally let their morale down and stop for good. Really the lesson learn is that for massive revamp of page there must be done at sandbox first then copied or else things will go off completely.
Good lessons learned anyway but hopefully this can be glitch free soon --Quek157 (talk) 18:28, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
The article has a list of the disadvantages/limitations of the visual editor, but shouldn't there also be a list of the visual editor's advantages? For example, it's much quicker to remove entire columns from a table and make other column-based edits to tables, as I just did here, with the visual editor than with the source editor. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 19:25, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Can I enable signatures for the page User:Reagle/QICs? Students like VisualEditor, but my understanding is no VE on talk pages, and signatures are grayed out in VE on that user page...? I thought maybe there had been a change in policy, and surprisingly, there *is* an insert signature option in VE on that user page, but it is grayed out. -Reagle (talk) 21:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
This edit request to Wikipedia:VisualEditor has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
157.51.111.141 (talk) 14:26, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Cool bar
I'm actually seeing it everywhere now. Something changed last night. Can't seem to turn this off. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:53, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
To learn more about encyclopedia. Uzomah Esonwune (talk) 13:19, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
I just added a substantial bit information about auditory processing disorders, a section called "Questionnaires for identifying or documenting listening problems." That information was completely missing and is important to this topic.
I added relevant references, hopefully it's all good. I'll watch for any feedback. I hope my additions are acceptable, I believe they are accurate and well documented. UIowagrad (talk) 16:36, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
I suppose it's fine, though the comment above would probably be better suited at the talk page of the article:
— Pizzahut2 (talk) 17:09, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Is it possible to create a button that adds automated access dates in VE, like in ProveIt? --Kailash29792 (talk) 16:21, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
I've created a userbox for those who use and like the VisualEditor. Template:User VisualEditor. Add this to your user page to spread the word regarding its usefulness! SD0001 (talk) 12:22, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
I believe your siteweb Herisaac (talk) 11:04, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Is VE still officially in Beta in enwp? Although not in the beta tab, it is referred to as Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta
in the preferences tab. If it is still officially beta, is there any target criterion by which it would ever be considered no longer in beta? T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 05:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
RFC notice: Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RFC: Block edits that contain a VisualEditor bug -- GreenC 00:01, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
I thought the visual editor no longer adds "link=", but it does. See my recent minor edits. ·Carn !? 07:23, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
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As we all know, visual editor is not available for talk pages, making them harder to edit. Why are they not present on talk pages, and if there is a reason then can this article explain why? Currently the article only states that they don't support talk pages with no explanation. Looking through the archives I also couldn't find an explanation. TheMickyRosen-Left (talk) 19:05, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
EDIT: Found one explanation: "I appreciate your comments. A serious problem, however, is that article talk pages are intended to discuss problems with articles, and hence should be able to reproduce sections of articles, with the markup remaining the same. (In fact, user talk pages also sometimes discuss problems with that user's edits of articles, and so also needs to reproduce sections of articles.) As an example now, if VE is still munging articles (changing the display, as well as the Wikitext) "
An explanation like this would be useful in this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMickyRosen-Left (talk • contribs) 19:09, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes FHAISALL (talk) 17:06, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
I've recently realized a problem in which Visual Editor keeps adding additional speces to every single field when I edit one. This is an example:
| streetaddress = 154 Warren C Coleman Blvd N | city = Concord | state = North Carolina | province = | country = United States | coordinates = | type = Private co-educational elementary & secondary | established = 1976
Is this supposed to happen, or is something wrong with my visual editor? I don't see a major problem with the fields automatically aligning like this, but I have recieved a complaint, and just want to make sure this isn't some weird glitch or something. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 01:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Suggest that new users have "Show me both editor tabs", by default. As they are new, would appear a floating bar with the message, for the first edits:
Just an idea. -BoldLuis (talk) 13:31, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Your feedback is welcome at this mediawiki thread: mw:VisualEditor/Feedback#Does VE munge white space?. This is related to Phab:T179259. #VEwhitespaceMunge Mathglot (talk) 20:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
"format": "((_\n| ______________ = _\n))",
from infobox templates' TemplateData programming code, would this white space problem go away? If so, we could have a local RFC to see if eliminating them is supported by the community. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
In VisualEditor would exist the option: Insert > New Section, if you go to the end of the section, bellow which you want to put the new one. --
Another way is using a floating element and put it in the place where the new section is going to be. Or simply, click in a button "New section" and click in the place of the text where the new section is going to be (then would appear a floating bar with the text. "Is it in the correct place?. [Yes] / [No]" (in any case, writting a text in the place would disappear this floating bar / message).
BoldLuis (talk) 13:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Given how many userboxes there are, I can't believe this one didn't already exist:
This user primarily edits using the VisualEditor. Please excuse the bugs it occasionally introduces. |
However, now it does ((User:Psiĥedelisto/Userboxes/VisualEditor)) Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 09:35, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Since you hadn't answered for a while, I decided to try to make changes for you to make the userbox more neutral.
This user primarily edits using the VisualEditor. |
The bug apology is now a non-default option. No one else was using it yet, so I was still at liberty to do that before I'd need to edit other's userpages. There are more options too, but I only documented |buggy=
at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Wikipedia/Research and editing tools § Editing tools. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 12:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Please see discussion at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor/User guide#Ref names and discuss the issue there. —Anomalocaris (talk) 19:53, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
The Wikipedia:VisualEditor produces citation (or cite) tags without proper word separation. For example:
((Cite web|last=Mulvihill|first=Barbara|date=25 June 2019|title=Tunstall, Martha Goodwin|url=https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/ftuns|url-status=live|archive-url=|archive-date=|access-date=|website=Handbook of Texas Online|publisher=Texas State Historical Association))
In the Wikipedia:WikitextEditor, these tags are rendered as a group of long words, which messes up the linewrapping and impedes manual editing of the article source. In palaeography, they call this scriptio continua, and fortunately it has been overcome. Has this topic been brought up before, and is there a need to fix it? --83.137.6.241 (talk) 22:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Array.join("|")
to Array.join(" | ")
, but you need to find the right place, aside from testing the changes. VisualEditor is an interesting Ajax word processor, but I have no use for it. To me, VisualEditor is like an e-scooter to a pedestrian, I'm glad if it stays out of my way. There is also no WP:MOS entry regarding template parameter use. --83.137.6.238 (talk) 18:44, 15 August 2020 (UTC)I can't understand properly about vfx.I want to understand that properly and I want to work here because it's very expensive,hard-working and impossible thing.it has many interesting sites.if you show kindness at me about understanding both vfx and cgi.please help me Mozammel hoq. sagor (talk) 09:38, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
How to use sandbox? Juidzi (talk) 20:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
And also, visual editor. Juidzi (talk) 20:54, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes Aligaza (talk) 03:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Link_corrections_by_User:0blcsp, where a question that may be relevant to VisualEditor was raised. Debresser (talk) 12:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
What does this arrow icon mean in the visual editor? I usually replace these with spaces when I see them... is this good practice? –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:47, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Well, this might only mean there are no plans for removing the "edit source" option, which you need need to specially select each time.
The real question is: what is the plans for allowing you to permanently and once for all disable the Visual Editor? CapnZapp (talk) 23:10, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
There is only a selection to "edit source", and clicking "new section" also results in the source editor opening. How can I use Visual Editor for editing talk pages and the like? Félix An (talk) 21:23, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I have been trying to find out for 15 min how to switch the edit mode to visualEditor. Why doesn't this article explain it? preferably with a photo? There is a huge link on this page "Enable VisualEditor" but the link is not explained and after following the link I could not find how to enable visualEditor!! There is no point spending millions on the software if a) it is not intuitively accessed and b)failing that, lacking all direction on how to access it. Why do I have to go to youtube for a one minute video that explains it in 30 sec? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW1ytmxWffE Aniish72 (talk) 01:30, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
how do you add Userboxes on VisualEditor? I don't know how.Dunutubble (talk) 21:52, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Not sure if there's any way to modify the editor to prevent things like this from happening in the future: "untill" appears to have been a perfectly valid spelling in early modern English, and since early modern English is mostly mutually intelligible with standard English Wikipedia English I see no reason to "amend" original quoted text to match current orthographic rules, but the tags that seem to be used for the purpose of preventing semi-automated "corrections" don't seem to be preventing manual corrections made with certain editing tools. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi, With the non-VE cite option one feature was that it could fill in everything from that page URL automatically - Is there such a feature with VE?, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:52, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Ctrl
+K
to bring up the Automatic option, 1st of 3 tabs. The shortcuts are listed in the ? mark drop-down menu, when using VE. See also Keyboard shortcuts for Wiki editing. Qwerty284651 (talk) 09:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)I think it's worth mentioning that the VE cite works a bit... differently from the non-VE thing. Specifically, it fills in too much against the policy -- see phab:T95376. (Should I add it to "Limitations"? I'm a bit afraid about how many we would need to add.) --Artoria2e5 🌉 02:53, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
If "Show me both editor tabs" is enabled, Alt+Shift+V is reserved both for the "edit this page" tab and the source editor's "Show changes" button, of which the former takes priority. While doesn't bother me much, as I can just manually click "Show changes", I still thought I should let you know. Anerisys (talk) 00:28, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi all! There are several wishlist items that relate to VE improvements this year. I'd particularly encourage you to go support these three:
Cheers, ((u|Sdkb)) talk 22:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) § Changes to VisualEditor instructional pop-ups. ((u|Sdkb)) talk 21:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
When adding a new table and finishing it. I cannot click spacebar or skip beyond the table. I have to manually add text in source editor then switch to visual in order to be able to type or do anything under the table.WillsEdtior777 (talk) 22:01, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi. I do not know where to address this so I figured I'd voice my concern here. For some reason, I can only 'edit source'; the VisualEditor button for me has disappeared. How can I get the button back? Thanks.
SpicyMemes123 (talk) 15:25, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
In this edit, made by Nice Stories, it looks like a couple of inapplicable blanks fields (prev_year, next_year) were added to end of that instance of Template:Infobox college sports team season. Nice Stories may wish to correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect this was not intentional by the editor, but rather something the VisualEditor did itself. The same happened on this edit too. Does anyone know what's going on here? Can we make a fix to avoid this sort of thing? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 23:25, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
For those of you who have been bedeviled by those annoying numeric ref names generated by the Visual Editor such as ":0", ":1" and so forth, it's my honor to announce a new script created by User:Nardog.
Script RefRenamer converts all VE numeric names on a page to useful named references (default: Lastname-YYYY). There are many addditional options to customize how you want it done. This has worked flawlessly on pages containing more than a hundred numeric references; here's an example where it made about 136 changes at Generation Z (diff).
The script doesn't stop the VE problem from occurring, but it is a complete solution for converting one page that you're working on to reasonable ref names. Powerful and effective; kudos! Mathglot (talk) 21:51, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
In trying out the manual visual editor citation generator, I was unable to find basic |author
and |editor1=
fields. There is an |authorlist=
field, but this isn't exactly the same. Otherwise, everything seems to be last name first name. Does the citation generator have a way to handle names that don't fit within a first name last name (or vice versa) convention, or does it have to be edited manually? CMD (talk) 02:38, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Is there any way to make this a ref that can be added normally via VE, like ((cite web))? Adding the template each time manually is daunting. Kailash29792 (talk) 03:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Is it possible for the VE to convert something like [[Cosmopolitan distribution|cosmopolitan distributions]]
to [[cosmopolitan distribution]]s
on the fly? This would make for cleaner prose that’s more readable for whenever we're not writing in VE. (If this isn’t the place for feature requests then please shoo me on.) — HTGS (talk) 07:14, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
I know that there are limitations with Visual Editor and templates but I've started to notice it acting weird on a few specifically. If you edit certain templates with Visual Editor, it will most of time, mess up the parameter spacing and hidden comments that may also be in the template. Below are the templates I've seen the most effected by VE; I would surmise there are a lot of other templates which can get messed up regarding the hidden comments and parameter spacing in them.
Template:Infobox settlement: Removes parameter spacing; messes up hidden comments (Example).
Template:Infobox U.S. county: Doesn't create a new line for each new parameter added (Example).
Template:US Census population: May mess up the parameter spacing (Example).
Template:Jct: How the template is viewed in VE mode means the parameter order get reversed (Example).
Other: If imputing bullet points manually, users can create multiple different bullet "charts" which don't merge into a single "chart" (Example).
To my best knowledge, these issues don't hurt the contents of the template if in "Read" mode (expect for the bullet point issue), but it does mess up the template layout which could be a problem for other users. I'm concerned that, due to the nature of the issue and amount of bytes it add/removes, Wikipedia might incorrectly ping newer users edits as vandalism and led to edit reverts or bans (which is unfair since many don't know). I've tried to minimize using VE with templates now but I've seen many others who use VE and unintentionally mess up the template(s). All in all, not an immediate concern, but it might be good to investigate the issue in the future. Thank you for your time; have a good day. DiscoA340 (talk) 16:29, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Can this issue be escalated? I am constantly frustrated that visual edits remove this spacing, and sometimes it's very tedious to fix, even with automated tools, especially in train station articles which have embedded templates. And I don't want to revert newer editors simply over spacing and thus make them upset, but it's a lot to fix. ɱ (talk) 14:21, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
In this edit, VisualEditor appears to have added spaces to Template:Infobox college coach so that all the equal signs for each field line up. Can someone explain why this is happening? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 22:53, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
"format": "((_\n| __________________ = _\n))\n"
. See mw:Help:TemplateData#Custom formats for an explanation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
In the Template Data section of that infobox's documentation, which, confusingly, is programming code that controls how the template works with the Visual Editor, this code enforces that formatting: "format": "((_\n| __________________ = _\n))\n"
.
– Jonesey95 (talk) 00:13, 30 May 2023 (UTC)VE's automatic citation template insertion appears to mangle citation author data. Here's how to reproduce it:
|author=
(not great, but easy to detect and fix), VE does this: |last=Muro |first=Joseph Parilla, Xavier de Souza Briggs, and Mark
which is much worse, and more difficult to fix, especially if the original source disappears from the web.Is this a known bug? If not, how should I tag it in Phabricator? – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:21, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks to the VisualEditor and/or other editors, hundreds or thousands of infoboxes have been messed up in recent years. I'm not sure why it's happening, but this problem needs to be fixed, because I am very tired of seeing this mess in numerous city articles. Minutes ago, I had to revert the following 2 edits before the infoboxes were reformatted by VisualEditor.
• Sbmeirow • Talk • 23:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
The instructions at Enable VisualEditor are no longer correct as all new accounts have VE enabled by default. This must be very confusing for new users. Could someone fix this, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 17:55, 2 October 2023 (UTC)