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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of peers retired and removed under the House of Lords Reform Act 2014[edit]

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The list of people who have resigned from the House of Lords is already absurdly long, and it is only going to get longer every year. What's the point? It may have seemed like a novelty when the first resignations began happening, but this law has been in force for nine years now. No other article about a legislature maintains a list of everyone who has resigned from it. Richard75 (talk) 23:47, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What about having a yearly one Earl of Sutton Coldfield (talk) 00:04, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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What about having it in list of decade of retired peers Earl of Sutton Coldfield (talk) 14:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That would help with the length, but it still doesn't deal with notability. Why does this list need to exist at all? Richard75 (talk) 15:39, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Suport: Doesn't like a noteworthy list to maintain.2601:249:9301:D570:909A:F52B:67C2:D58 (talk) 01:13, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  What are you supporting? deletion or keeping? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as a pretty clear failure of WP:NLIST. I see this was split out from House of Lords Reform Act 2014, and I think WP:CARGO applies here. I also note that the main article doesn't even appear to be notable on its own. Sources in it are all primary, and I found very very little discussing it on its own, and when I did, it was usually in the broader context of previous reform efforts generally. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I think is should be done by decade which may work as life peers are separated by 1958-1979, Thatcher-Major, New Labour, C(ameron), M(ay), J(ohnson), T(russ) and S(unak).

That doesn't address notability though. Richard75 (talk) 15:39, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK but it would work if you had them in decades. Earl of Sutton Coldfield (talk) 22:04, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Deleted I created these as this maybe the solution:

List of peers retired under the House of Lords Reform Act 2014 (2014–2020)

List of peers retired under the House of Lords Reform Act 2014 (2021–present)

It is easier to maintain and just keep up to date with either the deaths and the future retirements.

Earl of Sutton Coldfield (talk) 13:21, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not convinced that those meet notability standards, seeing as how they are essentially forks of this article. 64.107.163.147 (talk) 16:16, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:30, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

St Fidelis College (Lucknow, India)[edit]

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We are now a lot stricter on schools since the last AfD. Unreferenced and no coverage to meet WP:NSCHOOL. LibStar (talk) 23:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. No citations. The tone has issues. A search on Google produces one mention from okay sources: [1] (TOI is considered generally reliable when it comes to non-political matters). However, this is the only thing I can find in a quick browse, and it doesn't amount to fixing or keeping the article. --TheLonelyPather (talk) 14:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete can't find many sources apart from two TOI (first linked above ), however both are linked to the same event and don't necessarily talk about the school — Karnataka ^talk 16:09, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Naked Capitalism[edit]

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This article frankly reads like an advertisement for the subject and, as of now, it's unclear that it meets WP:GNG.

Of the fourteen cited sources: four ([10]-[13]) are interviews with the website's creator; two ([1] and [6]) are About pages from the website; two are posts on the website itself ([8] and [14]); one ([7]) is a self-published blog post by one of the website's contributors; and one ([5]) is a post on another website by the website's creator. This leaves four reliable secondary sources, two of which only briefly mention Naked Capitalism in passing as recommendations, and the other two of which are short biographical stubs about the website's creator, without more than a passing reference to the website.

One thing that becomes immediately clear upon going through these sources is that they lack significant coverage of the website - often only briefly mentioning the website as a product of its creator, without any further detail. There seems to be more information about the website's creator than the website itself, so if no more significant coverage from reliable sources can be found, maybe a short stub about her could be salvaged from this. But in its current state, I don't think this article meets GNG and as such, am recommending it for deletion. Grnrchst (talk) 12:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep, clearly notable (no comment on the quality of the article's current sourcing). Just a few minutes' Googling:
  • Included among TIME Magazine's "25 Best Financial Blogs". [2]
  • Financial Times [3] interview with "Yves Smith" specifically about the blog (Google for "On Wednesday, FT Alphaville met Yves Smith, proprietor of the blog Naked Capitalism" to let Google take you past the paywall)
  • Listed as #1 most influential finance blog by Business Insider [4]
  • Institutional Investor (magazine) [5]
  • Risk (magazine) [6]ProQuest link Etc. --Andreas JN466 00:55, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• I've done some remedial work on the article. Note that this blog is archived by the Library of Congress. [7][8]
• It also has about 100 mentions in the Wall Street Journal, many of them "Caught on the Web" recommendations. Andreas JN466 13:59, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  Delete. Even using the sourcing given above, it's one in a list of items. Nothing at length about it... I can't find much for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 17:41, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @Oaktree b I should mention that the article in the Risk journal mentions that it is based on a piece in the journal Credit, a sister publication; this runs to three pages. People can have a look; it is available on ProQuest via the WP:Library. The Financial Times interview article (1,750 words) actually was one of a series about the blog (final instalment here. Even the TIME listing is over 200 words. There are brief endorsements in the New York Times like this one. I can have a further look around, but even just with those I would have thought GNG is well met.

  The one thing that does make things difficult is that Smith has written so many news articles that it's hard to find stuff about her and her blog in Google News. A lot of the hits are links to articles by her, with the author info mentioning the blog. (Note that Yves Smith – a pun on Adam Smith – redirects to Naked Capitalism.) Andreas JN466 19:49, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Honestly these sources just confirm to me that, if this article is to exist, it should be about Yves Smith. None of these sources refer to Naked Capitalism as anything other than Smith's blog. It isn't clearly independently notable from her, although she is clearly a notable figure herself. -- Grnrchst (talk) 10:47, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  As I see it, the sources are primarily about the blog. Take the TIME and CNBC listings, or the Financial Times interview, which is all about the blog, or the Institutional Investor piece. It's the blog that makes Smith notable, not Smith that makes the blog notable. Andreas JN466 11:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to Susan Webber (blogger) and keep at that title. BD2412 T 18:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @BD2412 The problem with that solution is that even though Naked Capitalism was started by Webber (a.k.a. Yves Smith), and she remains the most high-profile contributor, it is a group blog and is indexed as such here for example by EconAcademics.org (a site hosted by the Research Division of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.)

  A past version of the article included a bunch of contributing writers (another editor deleted them because they were unsourced). Some of those contributors have been referred to or had their NC posts republished by third-party sources; e.g. Matt Stoller here, David Dayen (see [9], Alternet running a piece previously published on NC, also cf. [10]), Philip Pilkington ([11][12]), Nathan Tankus ([13]), Jerri-Lynn Scofield [14] etc.

  So I think the solution is to bring the contributing writers back into the article, with references, and make clear to the reader that it is a group blog.

  (Indeed, if you look at https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/ today or its archives, posts by Smith are in the minority.)

  So could I ask you to give it another thought? Best, Andreas JN466 14:17, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • My impression is that the most notable aspect of the blog is its founder, and everything we currently have about it can fit in a section of an article on its found, with a redirect tagged with ((R with possibilities)). BD2412 T 19:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment The article has been almost completely revised and re-sourced since the AfD nomination. --Andreas JN466 01:03, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The article has been significantly improved since it was nominated. Naked Capitalism has received widespread coverage over a significant period of time. Thriley (talk) 15:29, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: The article has changed substantially since the AfD nomination, thanks to the excellent and dedicated work of Andreas. As their edits have demonstrated clear notability, with significant coverage in reliable sources, my concerns have been thoroughly addressed and I no longer believe the article warrants deletion. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, as evidenced by Grnrchst, this has met WP:HEY. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 22:20, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 10:55, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Feys[edit]

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A biographical article about an acting tutor and working actor whose teaching work and film/TV roles seem significantly short of meeting the WP:NACTOR criteria. The closest may be the role in "La hija de un ladrón" but the subject is mentioned just in routine listings and by Lanaja Factory, which does not appear independent of the subject (see [15]); he is unmentioned on the film production company's page on the film [16]. AllyD (talk) 17:54, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:37, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kang Kuk-chol (footballer, born 1988)[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Bear in mind there are two other footballers with the same name. Simione001 (talk) 23:08, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:49, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I've no idea what to do with this one - there's no real coverage of him, but that's probably because he's from North Korea. From a pure policy perspective, it should probably be deleted, but I've seen several other stub articles for footballers with people strongly on the 'keep' side, even though they played for like three seasons and media coverage is limited to a couple archived newspaper blurbs.

But forget all that for a second - while starting a search on him, I discovered that there are three different North Korean footballers named "Kang Kuk-chol." They were all born within about a decade of each other, are almost exactly the same height, all play the same position (defender), and two of them even allegedly played on the national team in the same year. If that's accurate, that's absolutely hilarious. If there weren't headshots of them on the (very sparse) source links, I wouldn't believe it. That said, it's North Korea, so I'm not really inclined to believe it. Are we sure at least two of these aren't the same guy? Kalethan (talk) 15:57, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It wouldn't surprise me if two of them were indeed the same. North Korean football is such a mystery to me and I'd love it to explore it further but you never know what sources to actually trust. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Searching Kang's name and football in Korean yields no useful sources, which perhaps isn't surprising since he plays football in North Korea. Unfortunately, this means the article is unlikely to ever satisfy WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 12:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to The Kelly Family. ✗plicit 23:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Kelly (singer)[edit]

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Seems non-notable Charsaddian (talk) 22:01, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to The Kelly Family. I should point out that the nomination needs a far more precise argument, and the nominator seems not to have noticed that Mr. Kelly is a member of a reasonably notable band that would be an obvious redirect target. But it turns out that Mr. Kelly really is non-notable outside of his longtime family band. All of his media mentions are as a member of the band and I can find no reliable coverage for any of his solo albums or related activities. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:19, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that three of Jimmy Kelly's siblings also have their own articles that could probably be redirected as well. Joey Kelly may have a little potential due to getting some notice as an athlete outside of the band. I'm less sure about Kathy Kelly (musician) and Patricia Kelly because each is like Jimmy, with only band-related coverage and some solo albums that received little independent notice. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to The Kelly Family.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:16, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Malina Pardo[edit]

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The subject has earned at least four caps for the Puerto Rico women's national football team. I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage from third-party sources, failing WP:GNG. This is a good piece, but is not independent as it's from her school's newspaper. JTtheOG (talk) 21:57, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. WP:TOOSOON. Pro-club academy player who's still playing as a college graduate; injured in college play in 2021 and national team play in 2022, redshirted 2022. Might become notable, might not. -Socccc (talk) 15:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Separately, student-run media are considered WP:RS (specifically WP:RSSM) if editorially independent in content, which Niner Times appears to be via its student-run editorial board. That linked piece isn't an athletic department press release. A more relevant guideline against notability is in RSSM: "A topic which can be sourced exclusively to student media, with no evidence of wider coverage in mass market general interest media, is not likely to be viewed as notable." -Socccc (talk) 15:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Student-run media are absolutely not considered independent of topics related to their school. See the unanimous consensus here. I've clarified this at RSSM. JoelleJay (talk) 21:44, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:43, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, sourcing does not establish GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 21:46, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Union Properties PJSC. Viable ATD at the moment. Should that end up deleted, whether a redirect here makes sense will be resolved. Star Mississippi 02:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Tower (Dubai)[edit]

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Yet another building with no evidence of notability. Basically impossible to search for sources due to the generic title. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• So it actually exists under this name [17], and also Union Properties Tower. I suggest a redirect to Union Properties PJSC. I have just created a similar redirect for its alternate name, if the article ends up kept it should be updated. —siroχo 21:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Union Properties PJSC is a messy promotional article that violates WP:NOTDIR. I suspect if I were to clean it up it would no longer mention the project, but I guess until that happens a redirect there would make sense. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• 'delete just a building. Mangoe (talk) 23:34, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 22:37, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Anthony (San Diego rapper)[edit]

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Non-notable individual, nothing found in RS we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 20:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Provided references are promotional, passing mentions, and/or primary sources. Article creator included an AfC tag in this creation--article was not approved at AfC. Creator's draft Draft:Ryan Anthony (Rapper) had been declined and subsequently deleted for inactivity per WP:G13. --Finngall ^talk 20:30, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Nearly every reference is a promotion. The references from news sources are not about the subject, only things he happens to be attached to. The article is an unabashed hagiography. "Ryan started making clothes that resembled his music". Give me a break!Agentdoge (talk) 20:58, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:NOTLINKEDIN, unfortunately refdumped, would need WP:TNT. There seem to be 2 RS, not nearly enough for WP:BASIC [18] and [19]. —siroχo 21:32, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and above fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:38, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to 2019–20 Plymouth Argyle F.C. season#Stastics. Star Mississippi 22:37, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jude Boyd[edit]

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Seems non-notable Charsaddian (talk) 20:12, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to 2019–20 Plymouth Argyle F.C. season#Stastics, not independently notable. GiantSnowman 19:42, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect as above - narrowing to suitable sources, coverage is far too narrow. Nosebagbear (talk) 19:03, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to 2019–20 Coventry City F.C. season#Appearances. Star Mississippi 22:37, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Bartlett (footballer)[edit]

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Only one appearance so far in his career. Does not look notable Charsaddian (talk) 20:03, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to 2019–20 Coventry City F.C. season#Appearances, not independently notable. GiantSnowman 19:41, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to 2019–20 Coventry City F.C. season#Appearances per above. I only found minor coverage like this. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:58, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:30, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yakuza (band)[edit]

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Article citations are mostly self-promotion (e.g. from Prosthetic Records) and passing mentions in articles about other subjects. No sustained coverage from independent reliable secondary sources. AllMusic citations not ideal. CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:44, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Here are examples of coverage from reliable sources: Kendrick, Monica (2023-05-17). "Chicago metal explorers Yakuza return with Sutra, their first album in more than a decade". Chicago Reader. Retrieved 2023-07-24. and "Yakuza: Of Seismic Consequence". Pitchfork. Retrieved 2023-07-24. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:02, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you. Don't know why I didn't find these when Google-searching this band. I retract this AfD nomination. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, has significant coverage. Fulmard (talk) 03:42, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lexsynergy[edit]

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Non-notable corporation. Sourcing is largely primary or PR ish items. Oaktree b (talk) 19:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete. I'm unsure about if the article fails notability guidelines, however the whole thing is written like an advertisement. The Leadership section is basically a resume introduction. Article should probably be deleted or entirely rewritten. Agentdoge (talk) 20:43, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - An article should speak for itself and explain to the reader what is notable about the subject. The article is about what the company says about itself, and not what third parties say about the company, so that it does not pass corporate notability. There is also a draft which is the same as this article, and the originator may have created two copies of the article so that the article could not be draftified. I have not reviewed the sources because the article has been reference-bombed, but it should not be necessary for a reader to read the references. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:23, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I waded through 55 citations in the Lexsynergy article so you don't have to. I also did an extensive reliable source web search. The result was nothing reliable and extensive enough sufficient to establish notability.

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Keep. I don't believe the article fails notability guidelines, the company has been referenced by many third parties including non-profit industry bodies and other approved Wikipedia pages. It follows the same structure and referencing as other companies in the industry listed on Wikipedia: GoCompare, CSC and Markmonitor. Leadership and Philanthropy sections have been removed to maintain non-bias. KyleGouveiaPortsmouth (talk) 07:46, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of sources are from industry publications, non-profit industry bodies and domain registries. KyleGouveiaPortsmouth (talk) 11:47, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@KyleGouveiaPortsmouth, I'm not saying you're wrong to keep but I'm trying to reconcile what you're saying about the refs versus my understanding of our current guidelines which usually call for some sort of in-depth coverage. I'm sympathetic but I need to be convinced - can you help reconcile our guidelines with the point you're making?

As for the other companies, if they have similar problems then they're vulnerable to deletion, too. Someone's going to throw out "WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS" to shoot down comments like yours. (I have some problems with the pejorative way people use that one, but I digress)

If you can't muster a convincing reply today, then I see two ways forward:

1. Invoke WP:IAR. In my experience, that's sort of a Hail Mary pass in deletion discussions.
2. Draftify this article for now, then start an RfC to change our notability guidance. Note that we already have some allowed exceptions for in-depth coverage for things like places (see WP:GEOLAND). Maybe we need one for companies like this, too.

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Thank you for taking the time to reply, I really appreciate it. I do not want to Invoke WP:IAR, I would like to do this properly and inline with Wikipedia’s rules. Please see below for my convincing in relation to notability guidelines, if we need to go down the RfC, then I would love to be able to assist.

General notability guidelines:

1.Presumed. There are over 30 reliable sources from industry bodies and domain registries, some of which also list Lexsynergy on their Wikipedia page, meaning it is is not an Orphan.

2. Significant coverage. Only one source is from the Lexsynergy website.

3. Reliable. The majority of sources are secondary, from well-established news outlets or from industry verified (via non-profit industry regulator) vendors.

Subject-specific guidelines (organizations and companies):

1. Lexsynergy have attracted the notice of reliable sources unrelated to the organization or product, such as well-established news outlets.

2. Smaller organizations and their products can be notable without being synonyms with fame. Lexsynergy have won several awards and are referenced across the internet and Wikipedia as an accredited registrar.

3. There are examples of substantial coverage, including reports by Industry bodies, providers and regulators. KyleGouveiaPortsmouth (talk) 16:15, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Significant coverage is different from independence from the subject. Significant coverage requires that the coverage is in-depth. Please see WP:ORGDEPTH, which provides a lot of helpful guidance. ARandomName123 (talk) 00:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: A random selection of references seems to show that most sources are either listings and provide no significant coverage, or are not independent of the subject. No indication it meets WP:NORG. ARandomName123 (talk) 00:27, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Leesi Gabriel Gborogbosi[edit]

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Non-notable businessperson, somewhat flowery language in the sourcing used. Oaktree b (talk) 19:37, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Mojo Hand (talk) 02:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nothando Hlophe[edit]

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Beyond being the wife of a famous person, I can't find notability as a singer. No mentions in RS. Oaktree b (talk) 19:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep as all of the sources refer to her singing career.. only one source recalls her marriage to a minor royal. She is most notable for being a gospel singer. Is her husband even famous? He doesn’t have a Wikipedia article. Seems like a strange claim to make.. — Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 02:55, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment an article in the Times of Swaziland, titled NOTHANDO HLOPHE ADDED TO WORSHIP ENCOUNTER 3 is about her work as a singer. This article in Mpumalanga News, titled Praise with Khululugcobo, is about her career (she is the lead singer of the praise and Khululugcobo). This this article in Eswatini Observer is entirely about her return to the stage after taking a two year hiatus due to the covid-19 pandemic. This article in the The Herald, titled Swazi gospel singer Nothando Hlophe promotes new album on PE visit, is entirely about her music career. Are these newspapers not reliable sources that mention her notability as a singer? -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 13:22, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Seems like a notable singer who is generating significant coverage in the news. CT55555(talk) 02:50, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per the reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion such as national newspapers including the Swaziland Observer that together show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 19:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:34, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Austin Forkner[edit]

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Not finding discussion of this person in RS, only websites related to the sports that aren't RS. Oaktree b (talk) 19:34, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak Delete: A WP:BEFORE check comes up with only 1 source which could pass GNG.If other sources can be found I could be persuaded to change my vote. [[20]] User:Let'srun 00:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete due to a lack of independent RS coverage.

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The result was keep‎. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 04:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Five Mile House (Illinois)[edit]

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Non-notable historical building. Not listed on the NRHP [21]. Sourcing is all primary. Appears PROMO for a tourist attraction. Oaktree b (talk) 19:28, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Consdering the AfD posting was the third-ever edit to this new page, and the page is only sourced to primary sources, a good WP:BEFORE search is necessary and it's crystal clear this house comes up often in multiple local news sources (newspaper and television), and has been referenced in several books. There's a chance the coverage as a whole doesn't add up to GNG, but there's definitely coverage out there, and I haven't even searched old newspapers yet. SportingFlyer T·C 14:24, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Historical buildings don't have to be on the NRHP to be notable, and this one has plenty of coverage in non-primary sources: see [22] [23] [24] [25] [26]. It's included in the Illinois Historic Sites Survey Inventory, though their database is under construction so finding info is a bit of a pain right now. It's also been referenced in books, as SportingFlyer mentioned. The article needs cleanup and better sourcing, but AfD isn't cleanup. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 17:06, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:33, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kasi Kelly[edit]

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Does not meet WP:GNG as a former beauty pageant contestant. Let'srun (talk) 19:28, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  Delete no sourcing found for this person, who must pass GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 19:42, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Lacks the in-depth coverage needed to meet WP:NBASIC. MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:17, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Elyzabeth Pham[edit]

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Non-notable former beauty pagent contestant. Does not meet the WP:SIGCOV to pass WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 19:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  Delete no sourcing found for this person, unless she married Sysqo (plenty of coverage about his wife). Oaktree b (talk) 19:44, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Earl Thomas with Paddy Milner & the Big Sounds[edit]

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Completely unsourced article. Seems non-notable Charsaddian (talk) 18:31, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  Delete, no sourcing found, no critical reviews, hardly anything found for the band either. Oaktree b (talk) 19:45, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Based on a True Story (Paddy Milner album)[edit]

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Seems non-notable. Charsaddian (talk) 18:26, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Paddy Milner[edit]

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Multiple issues tag since 2011. Seems non-notable Charsaddian (talk) 18:19, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  Delete I don't see much for mentions beyond various musical performances he's given in Gnews. Gsearch is straight to social media. Willing to revisit if someone can track down some sort of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 18:59, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Das Boot (film)#Accolades. Mojo Hand (talk) 02:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Trevor Pyke[edit]

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Article fails WP:BIO, current sources are a list of Academy Award nominations and a very brief obituary. Searching finds very little with coverage of the award nomination limited to the name appearing in articles listing all nominees. For example this list article. A redirect to Das Boot (film), where he is mentioned in the Accolades section, is an alternative to deletion. Gab4gab (talk) 18:19, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Das Boot (film)#Accolades. Pyke meets WP:ANYBIO; you need to either win a big award or get multiple nominations. For Das Boot, he won the German Film Award (top German film award) and the Motion Picture Sound Editors' Golden Reel Award in addition to his Oscar nomination. Das Boot set the standard for sound editing for submarine movies, a genre where the soundscape dominates.^[27]

The German article has more information: de:Trevor Pyke. Unfortunately, despite Pyke's notability, neither the English nor the German articles have information about his life and career that doesn't come from IMDb, an unreliable source (WP:IMDB), or his terse 2-sentence paid obituary. I found no good refs except some tiny little bits.^[28] Hence the redirect; we just don't have enough to build an article with.

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The Koldau article was interesting and while it never mentioned Pyke it is some coverage of his work that is helpful to notability. It would be helpful to have a source for the two awards mentioned. Gab4gab (talk) 15:17, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gab4gab, the awards come from Das Boot (film)#Accolades. And, yes, I'm a submarine movie aficionado, so I very much enjoyed that Koldau article, too.

-- A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 15:46, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I'm amazed Das Boot didn't win Oscars for its sound and score -- they really set the tone for a great film (as Koldau noted).

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• Keep and tag for improvement or redirect per reasons above - if it is redirected then someone can hopefully improve this page in the future.DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 09:55, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Clearly does meet WP:ANYBIO #1. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @Necrothesp, I'd love to keep the article but what do we use as WP:RS to build it?

  -- A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 15:48, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It's a WP:STUB. Nothing wrong with them. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:22, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree. If it can be expanded and further sourced that would be amazing, obviously, but if not it still meets notability standards and should stay. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 21:46, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Das Boot (film)#Accolades as we don't have enough sourcing to meet GNG. Although he does appear to meet the first section of WP:ANYBIO, the sourcing just isn't there for a good article. We can redirect for now and restore/expand the article if and when sources are found. --MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 14:33, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Das Boot (film)#Accolades per the above as an ATD. CycloneYoris ^talk! 17:59, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Walking on Eggshells[edit]

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Completely unsourced article. Seems non-notable Charsaddian (talk) 18:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:00, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Susan Binau[edit]

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Delete. Does not meet WP:N, references cited are either not connected to notability, or passing remarks or self-published/promotional material, or completely irrelevant of the subject. Strong indication of WP:COI. Bulk of the article is written like a promotional material for subject's books and charity, violating WP:PROMOTION. Sabih omar 18:42, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, very PROMO. Sources 17-19 are synth. They don't discuss this person, only the sound method used in treatments. Too many sources to wade through in Danish, no article in any other language wiki is a red flag. Oaktree b (talk) 19:48, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:39, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Łuszczów-Kolonia, Hrubieszów County[edit]

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Not many sources about this county, fails WP:GNG Brachy08 (Talk)(Contribs) 00:58, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: (1) a kolonia is a legally recognized place under Polish law, so this is a populated, legally recognized place meeting the current wording of WP:NGEO; (2) while this article is a bit underdeveloped pl:Łuszczów-Kolonia (powiat hrubieszowski) has enough content as to be well within our remit as a encyclopedia and gazetteer; (3) I am seeing considerable discussion of the kolonia in books and articles discussing the WiN guerrilla organization in the postwar period, e.g. reports of this recent ceremony memorializing the Zarzyckis who were executed for sheltering WiN guerrillas there, so this can also meet the "sufficient sources to provide more information than a database entry" threshold (my paraphrase) that has recently been proposed as an update to NGEO. Applying the rules flexibly in accordance with our encyclopedic purpose, I think that this falls within both the letter and the spirit of NGEO. -- Visviva (talk) 04:43, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge. Normally I support the retention of articles on separate settlements, but as far as I can see this is just a few houses at one end of Łuszczów, itself a very small village spread out along a road. Nothing that I can see distinguishes it from the 'main' village, not even a road sign. It is not even "located away from previously existing buildings", but no further away than the other parts of the village. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:45, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep -- meets NGEO as a legally recognized populated place. The corresponding article in Polish WP has more sources if more sources are desired, but they're not needed. Central and Adams (talk) 18:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Gmina Uchanie has a list of villages and settlements where Łuszczów-Kolonia is mentioned. The article seems more complete with this. WonderCanada (talk) 18:27, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:41, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do gole kože[edit]

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Seems non-notable Charsaddian (talk) 17:28, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Tone 22:19, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Brez dlake na jeziku[edit]

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The unsourced tag is mentioned since 2008. Seems non-notable Charsaddian (talk) 16:48, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  Delete Paltry sourcing in the Slovenian wiki article, I can't find much either. Oaktree b (talk) 17:26, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 22:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Bittersweet Constrain[edit]

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Completely unsourced article. Seems non-notable Charsaddian (talk) 16:43, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  Delete. I can't find sources for this album, nor any kind of reviews online. Oaktree b (talk) 17:27, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Nominated the singer/artist as well, nothing seems notable. Oaktree b (talk) 17:29, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:40, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of apologies to clubs from PGMOL[edit]

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This article is a short list of information that is inherently unverifiable because it is all based on reports of supposed apologies issued by a referee association. More importantly, this list violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE. This list has no place on Wikipedia, as we don't just stockpile information for the sake of it. At best, this could be a subsection on PGMOL's article. Paul Vaurie (talk) 10:49, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete as WP:OR. There's no source which covers all of these as a topic. SportingFlyer T·C 12:01, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - The relevant guideline here is WP:NLIST which requires that the items listed have been discussed as a group/set by multiple independent reliable sources. I have found the following - [29], [30], [31] - which I think just about meet that requirement. The Mirror/Irish Mirror are not ideal sources but neither are they unreliable (see WP:DAILYMIRROR) - and I am not certain as to whether we should treat them as one source or two (they seem to be using the same source material, but the copy is different, with two different writers). Nevertheless, I think we just about have significant coverage in two or three reliable sources. This is also a potential source, although it does not focus directly on PGMOL apologies. No issues with the Squawka article as far as I can tell. This is not inherently unverifiable - all the incidents listed can be verified by reliable sources, such as news reports. Neither does this violate WP:INDISCRIMINATE - the list here does not compare with the examples given on that policy page. WJ94 (talk) 12:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge to parent article, not necessarily because the topic is or isn’t notable but because this isn’t the sort of thing that needs a list. Dronebogus (talk) 21:49, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - ridiculous title/topic. At best it should be merged to Video assistant referee#Criticism (with no redirect). GiantSnowman 18:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Professional Game Match Officials Limited. Good ATD, preserves the history, could eventually be removed without a future AFD if needed, or split back out if it becomes necesary, and the current list is short. —siroχo 11:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete a merge to Professional Game Match Officials Limited would be undue, as just listing complaints there violates WP:NPOV and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. The section Video assistant referee#Criticism already violates WP:Controversy sections, so we shouldn't be adding more problems to that article either. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Trivial for wikipedia. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 12:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete They've made four apologies? I can't see the need for this list. I'm not ever sure what PGMOL is. Oaktree b (talk) 19:01, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Referees and other sports officials make mistakes all the time, and these are only the apologies that have been publicly announced (I presume by the offended club). What makes these particular apologies notable? This seems to be WP:LISTCRUFT and is a prime example of WP:NOT. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 15:49, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Not encyclopedic at all. Grahaml35 (talk) 17:48, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Clear consensus for deletion; and I'm not willing to draftify this, because the only content that is not Quranic quotes is entirely original research. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:42, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Objective Verses from The Holy Quran[edit]

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Just a random bunch of quotes, with nothing to explain why they should be bunched together or, indeed, what is the subject the 'article'

TheLongTone (talk) 15:12, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 15:41, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good evening, I searched many time in Wikipedia about about the verses of Quran having direct link some subject i.e. Allah (God) but could not find. Took a lot of time to find such objective verses pertaining to some particular matter. I think very; briefly I tried to relate Quranic verses to a particular matter/subject. I am still convinced that this page may not be considered for deletion, Thank You Khan Muhammad Akazai (talk) 15:44, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind explaining in more detail what you intended for this article to be about? It's possible a new article could written. As someone else has already mentioned in this discussion, Wikipedia is not Wikiquote (see What Wikipedia is not). So there's shouldn't be an article of just quotes. But if these quotes are a topic that others have studied and have written about, Wikipedia could have an article summarizing what these others have said. I'm just not sure what the topic is. Tikwriter (talk) 17:55, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, I would have tagged this for speedy deletion, it's quotes from their holy book, serving no importance in wikipedia. Oaktree b (talk) 15:55, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I still request for retention of this page for some time. Meanwhile, I will also refer the few subjects chosen in the article to other books/ articles etc. I will also explain the matters/subjects in accordance with views / explanations given by renounced authors/publishers. I am in Wikipedia since 2011 and have always tried to strictly observe their policies / instructions.

Thank You Khan Muhammad Akazai (talk) 17:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This isn’t an encyclopedia article at all. No objection to draftifying if the creator believes there is a genuinely encyclopedic subject relating to these quotes and wants to develop it further. Mccapra (talk) 20:19, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• delete per "Wikipedia is not WikiQuote." Mangoe (talk) 23:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Only a synthesised list of selected quotes rather than an article about them, and might duplicate pages on the sections of the Quran they come from. Xeroctic (talk) 13:33, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• comment by nominator I can't see any reason why this should not be draftified; I've left a message on the creator's talk page outlining what seems to be needed.TheLongTone (talk) 14:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Catfurball (talk) 17:01, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎ - WP:CSD#A7. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 21:27, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hur Yoon-seo[edit]

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Not even a claim of notability Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:02, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Bryce McGuire[edit]

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Doesn't seem to be notable, yet, as the film is coming out in 2024. TOOSOON seems to apply as nothing else is notable at this time in his list of accomplishments. Oaktree b (talk) 14:43, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Leigh-Taylor Smith[edit]

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Does not meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 13:33, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  Delete Not seeing coverage in RS, only in this [32], does not appear RS. Oaktree b (talk) 14:10, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Delete. Not seeing GNG sources anywhere. Kalethan (talk) 14:21, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Chandra Lakshman. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:43, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kalyana Kurimanam[edit]

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Could not find any sources of interest in English or Malayalam (കല്യാണ കുരിമാനം). DareshMohan (talk) 21:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• If this can't be improved, I suggest Redirect to Chandra Lakshman, the only source on the page focusing on her presence in the cast.-MY, OH MY! (mushy yank) 13:15, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect seems ok. Oaktree b (talk) 15:57, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Chandra Lakshman per above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Starbucks. ✗plicit 13:27, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pasqua Coffee[edit]

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Marked for notability concerns 1.5 years ago. Does not appear to get widespread ot significant coverage to meet WP:CORP. LibStar (talk) 12:45, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  Merge to Starbucks, I've heard of them in histories of the coffee chain (various TV shows over the years). Oaktree b (talk) 19:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge There are additional references to be found, but seems appropriate to merge with the History section of Starbucks. Steven Walling • talk 18:00, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 10:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cannamedical Pharma[edit]

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Please complete the AfD for the article, because it's a commercial and irrelevant page with many citations missing. 92.200.176.150 (talk) 13:32, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to List of most-watched television broadcasts. ✗plicit 10:58, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of most watched television interviews[edit]

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Fails WP:NLIST, topic likely isn’t notable to have a standalone list, and likely could just be merged into their respectful articles. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ _Talk 10:10, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete I'm unable to find enough sources to satisfy WP:NLIST. I was able to find one source in The Standard (Kenya) but it's not a very strong source. The only other coverage I could find is about the controversy surrounding the Andrew Tate/Tucker Carlson interview which doesn't help satisfy WP:NLIST either. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 14:24, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with List of most-watched television broadcasts. The original version of this page actually had more sources than the current version. The sourced version of it continued up to 2021, until they were completely gutted by this revision. The "citations" (which at that point were just numbers encased by brackets) were completely removed here. As older versions of the article still wouldn't meet WP:NLIST, the revision right before the sources were broken should be merged with the article I mentioned. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 15:29, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge with List of most-watched television broadcasts as suggested by Deauthorized (talk · contribs). The lack of references is a problem. Knitsey (talk) 14:44, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. No actual keep arguments and sourcing to timetables appears short of requirements. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of LYNX Orlando bus routes[edit]

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Just a bunch of routes with no reason why they are notable. No sources, appears run of the mill. Wikipedia is not a bus guide Ajf773 (talk) 09:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment The reasoning presented also asks about the other articles in Category:Lists of bus routes in the United States. If the list suffices WP:LISTN, it should be ok to keep. The problem here is there's no sources. – The Grid (talk) 12:54, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Sources have since been added by the article's creator, although these are predominantly links to bus timetables. Ajf773 (talk) 20:37, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge into Lynx (Orlando). This is more than a timetable! Given the short nature of the target and modest list, it is a premature WP:SPINOFF. Like a list of players in the first squad of a club, if this later becomes outdated it can be deleted by the page editors. Note for the merger volunteer: make sure all text in the target appears above it (by swapping the order of fares and routes), and the picture gallery (yikes!), references, and external links below it! Thanks to nom for putting this up for discussion! gidonb (talk) 19:38, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• This is really just a list of routes with the timetables accompanying them. All this can be found on the official transit authority's website. I can't see anything notable about any of these routes. Ajf773 (talk) 10:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Look again. It's NOT a timetable! The routes are there, the ridership, the route length, but NOT A TIMETABLE. In other words, this table lays out the details on the fixed route service that the regional bus company provides. It details the operations of the company. Legitimate information and in other cases - not here, hence my merge - a legitimate spinoff. gidonb (talk) 03:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've never said the article was a timetable. I've said its only sourcing is from timetables. The routes are not notable. Ajf773 (talk) 10:10, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed routes is about everything that a regional bus service does. It's the CORE of the company's operations and doesn't need to be seperately notable. Just needs to be sometimes spun off. Not here but sometimes. Plus that statement isn't true. We know that news outlets regularly report on changes, efficiencies and needs of bus services. It is highly notable. Just it doesn't need to be, as long as the company and mode of transportation are notable. gidonb (talk) 22:42, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom and per WP:NOTGUIDE, WP:LISTCRUFT (and to some extent WP:NOTDIR) - We're not a bus guide, No point merging there because it will only be deleted per the aforementioned WP pages, No evidence of any notability, Fails NOTGUIDE, LISTCRUFT, NOTDIR and GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 19:28, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Canada at the 2020 Summer Olympics#Field hockey. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Brendan Guraliuk[edit]

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Unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage from third-party sources, failing WP:GNG. I found this and three sentences here, which would not be enough. JTtheOG (talk) 08:56, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep or draftify This is one where I'm not sure an AfD was the way to go - he plays for a top-level club in a country where hockey is popular, and has national representation. With football, that's more than enough to be considered notable. Should we treat hockey the same as football in that regard? Anyway, he has not yet made a senior Olympics debut (only a 10th place Youth Olympics finish and the Canadian team qualifying for 2024): it will be easier to judge GNG notability after that and so the article should at least be draftified (not deleted and not content-removal redirected yet) for this purpose. Kingsif (talk) 10:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  He did make a senior Olympic debut, he played at the 2020 Summer Olympics. Parwa104 (talk) 13:22, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Soccer needs to meet GNG, even if they play for a top club. I am sure the same notability standards apply for field hockey. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 13:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete All I can find is coverage of him from his hometown - Delta Optimist only - like [33]. SportingFlyer T·C 13:41, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect. Article was created when WP:NOLYMPICS had a looser criteria. I cannot find anything to indicate WP:SIGCOV. I don't think drafting would work, as coverage is unlikely to improve in the short term. I suggest a redirect to Canada at the 2020 Summer Olympics#Field_hockey as a WP:ATD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportsfan 1234 (talk • contribs) 13:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Canada at the 2020 Summer Olympics#Field_hockey - WP:ATD - per User:Sportsfan 1234 . Ingratis (talk) 10:26, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:30, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nnaemeka Clinton[edit]

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Every source included in the article is a passing reference and falls far short of the requirements to meet GNG. Thilsebatti (talk) 06:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  Delete PR bizcruft is all I find. Nothing for sourcing we can use, PROMO is likely. Oaktree b (talk) 14:17, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable. No WP:SIGCOV. Uhooep (talk) 12:11, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting for the record that this page was "moved" by Rusty Soto from the draft space via copy/paste (diff). While I have no opinion on the page itself (as I have not looked back) re-draftification may be more appropriate given the unilateral non-AFC manner in which this was moved to the Article space. Primefac (talk) 13:05, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Barack Obama judicial appointment controversies. As with Winfield D. Ong, the argument against redirecting is weak. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Inga S. Bernstein[edit]

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Failed judicial nominee who does not pass WP:GNG. All sources are primary or namedrops. Let'srun (talk) 09:34, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Barack Obama judicial appointment controversies as we're generally doing for these now —siroχo 10:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The reason I'm not proposing a redirect is that there isn't much to suggest that Bernstein was a controversial nominee, and her WP:BLP1E isn't covered in that article, as seen by her passing through the Senate Judiciary Committee with only 1 senator voting against the nomination. It appears that she simply never received a vote before the end of Obama's 2nd term, and I don't see any other possible redirect targets Let'srun (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect, support siroχo's suggestion, above. While that article includes information about controversy in Obama's nominations, it's also a comprehensive list of all his nominees that were never confirmed. Many of them have their own pages, since becoming a nominee for the federal bench usually includes achievements that pass WP:GNG. In the interest of keeping that list complete, she should probably be redirected there even if her page is deleted. Kalethan (talk) 18:00, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Barack Obama judicial appointment controversies. I don't find the argument against redirecting persuasive; the presence of a redirect doesn't say that this individual was controversial, only that the relevant information is found at the target. There is clear consensus against a standalone article. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:34, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Winfield D. Ong[edit]

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The person was not confirmed as a judge and does not meet the notability criteria as described by WP:GNG. All sources found regarding the subject are primary or namedrops. Let'srun (talk) 09:30, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Barack Obama judicial appointment controversies as we're starting to do with these. We have lawyers statements, and some relatively trivial coverage like [34] but nothing that amounts to SIGCOV as far as I can see. —siroχo 09:51, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The reason I'm not proposing a redirect is that there isn't much to suggest that Ong was a controversial nominee, and his WP:BLP1E isn't covered in that article, as seen by his passing through the Senate Judiciary Committee by a voice vote with the support of both Indiana senators. It appears that he simply never received a vote before the end of Obama's 2nd term, and I don't see any other possible redirect targets. Let'srun (talk) 12:58, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as article creator. However, am open to the alternatives above, if they are pursued. Safiel (talk) 17:28, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:27, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Srijan Bhattacharya[edit]

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Doesn't meet GNG. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 08:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Delete fail to prove WP:GNG and WP:NBLP. ÀvîRâm7^(talk) 09:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete. Does not meet GNG/BIO, and does not qualify under WP:NPOL. Sam Sailor 09:49, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Student leader isn't notable. Not qualified under NPOL. Oaktree b (talk) 14:19, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:NPOL. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 ^{𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜} 17:07, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails GNG and not passes NPOL. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️^{Let's Talk !} 12:53, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Delete per WP:SNOW. Thoroughly fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Sal2100 (talk) 15:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 07:19, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of types of proteins[edit]

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This is a case for TNT. The subject is certainly sensible, but the article is in a dreadful state. It's peppered with random definitions and quotations, unsourced, and often just general bits of cell biology with no particular connection to proteins. The referencing is dismal. Many items in the list don't lead anywhere (no link, no idea what they would link to anyway). The hierarchies of the list, if it has any, are very unclear, so it doesn't really organise the material in any useful way. I think this was a good idea in the distant past that's got lost, and it's time to get rid of it and start again. This is related to a current AfD on List of proteins in the human body Elemimele (talk) 07:47, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Blank and Redirect to Protein as an ATD, to preserve history while the future of the article is considered. I completely agree with WP:TNT. Of interest is that the article has barely changed since 2005, so it's no surprise it's not up to 2023 standards, but there's no need to delete history here. —siroχo 08:49, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Nothing to add to what Elemimele (talk) said, with which I completely agree. Athel cb (talk) 09:14, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. It's certainly not appropriately cited, and it would need radical work in all aspects to get it up to current standards (and current biology). Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:33, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Redirect either to Protein or List of proteins. I can't see the list ever being useful, because as the page incoherently tries to show, there are many different ways of classifying proteins. It's like making a list of types of businesses, inherently a mess. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete The protein article does it better. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 17:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The current content is practically unusable, this article needs completely starting from scratch, if it is required at all. GraziePrego (talk) 06:49, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment As a potential alternatve to this list, consider List of proteins. Perhaps a few parts of this list could salvaged and merged into this other list. (Ducks head) Boghog (talk) 15:34, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete article is unreadable gibberish Dronebogus (talk) 14:52, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• delete, even if the topic is notable it can't be salvaged from the current list. Artem.G (talk) 17:43, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I assume someone wanted to create a list based on Gene Ontology. See for example [35] and [36]. This is a legitimate list, but is it helpful as a WP page? I am not sure. My very best wishes (talk) 22:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of rail accidents (2020–present). Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:18, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Madukuro train crash[edit]

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A train crash in which nobody died and one person was injured. That's it - the sum total of this thing. That's yer lot. Delete with absolute surety that this event does not trouble notability in any way whatsoever. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete redirect as below. While I think WP:RAPID is sage guidance for accidents in general, this is a very minor event already a few days int he past. So, WP:DELAY seems the right guidance at this point. —siroχo 07:30, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, reluctantly. I was all set to recommend merging but the obvious target, list of rail accidents in Indonesia, doesn't exist and I've not found anywhere suitable that doesn't already mention it (e.g. List of rail accidents (2020–present)). Thryduulf (talk) 08:52, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  That latter list would be fine as a redirect target. I'm fine with that ATD —siroχo 08:55, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not sure how useful that redirect would be, but I have absolutely no objections to it, although it should go to either the 2023 section or an anchor for the specific incident. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Thinking again, redirect is actually the best way forwards here. Thryduulf (talk) 12:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to the list mentioned above by Thryduulf. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of rail accidents (2020–present) per above. S5A-0043^Talk 01:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect as non notable accident, No one died and the one injury was a result of the person jumping out after the crash, Fails SIGCOV and GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 19:42, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Hassan Ilyas[edit]

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Pakistani theologian, associated with philosopher. No notability whatsoever. Sources are not RS. Being the son in law of a philosopher does not confer notability. Fails WP:GNG. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:31, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete, as the article makes no claim to notability. Because of the lack of claim to notability I did not perform a BEFORE. Ping if there is notability. —siroχo 08:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete—No SIGCOV that I can find. 〜 Festucalex • talk 08:30, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  He is a Islamic theologian, who belong to the Farahi school, I find out that creating a Wikipedia article for him, would be helpful. AlidPedian (talk) 11:03, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Just as we have the article of Dr. Muhammad Farooq Khan. AlidPedian (talk) 11:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. But it might be worth reconsidering deletion at some point in the future to see if coverage is lasting. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Justyn Vicky[edit]

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Winner of the Muscle Beach Bali competition, Indonesian weightlifter and bodybuilder Justyn Vicky died an unfortunate death at a tragically young age. However, he is otherwise not notable and fails WP:GNG, WP:BASIC. Adding WP:1E. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:30, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep and improve. Justyn Vicky's death has received coverage from reliable sources: Times of India Fox News. I am surprised that the article doesn't cite these... --TheLonelyPather (talk) 06:17, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Its just the source was too much, I fried up my brain last night because of this -_- Asphonixm (talk) 07:06, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The Times of India piece was authored by a third party (per the disclaimer down at the bottom). Fox News has been caught lying to get views, I'd be wary of using them as a source. Oaktree b (talk) 14:23, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The use of Fox News should be fine here, since there's multiple other sources that confirm the same info. ARandomName123 (talk) 00:05, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the sources. NYC Guru (talk) 08:00, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Sources are presented. Sometimes notability only surfaces after a sad event like this, the claim to notability is not only the circumstances of death. I would respect WP:RAPID (while also respecting WP:BLP in the content for the recently deceased) and not delete this right now. —siroχo 08:27, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Looks like his death has received international coverage, which seems to be enough - I'd still like to see other coverage per WP:NOTMEMORIAL, it's possible it's already in the article. SportingFlyer T·C 12:34, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is from CNN Indonesia, in Indonesian. [37]. Coverage in English media seems to be PR-ish. I'd argue the CNN coverage is purely local/in the native language, not helping notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 14:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]