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I do not remember Poplar ever being rebuilt "to provide cross-platform interchange between the Stratford and Beckton lines", so I think a citation is needed here. 164.36.38.240 (talk) 12:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
There're 2 logos:
I think that SVG roundel without text is better, but what do you think? --<Flrntalk> 15:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I am a little unhappy about the definitive statement concerning the platforms at Tower Gateway. I deliberately made this vague because I was aware of a later planning application for a change of design. However a planning application is not the same as planning consent and presumably the original application is still valid. The fact that this has not been confirmed elsewhere leaves me unconvinced that this will happen - though I think it more likely than not and it does seem eminently sensible.
Has anyone got any evidence that there will be two platforms ?--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 17:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I feel much happier now that it is confirmed on the DLR website--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 12:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I think we need the bulk of this page archived. Could someone who knows how to do it please do so. Some of us would be very grateful--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 18:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Maybe these should be split per earler discussions and they make up half the article. 147.197.173.29 (talk) 14:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Personally I feel that that in this case it is acceptable for Developments to take up half the article as the DLR is expanding rapidly and there are almost as much being developed as already exists. What is to be achieved by splitting it ? Having said that I do believe we should try and keep each item short. We don't want a week-by-week running commentary in an encyclopedia.--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 13:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
This has been "rescued" from the main article where it was added incorrectly.
Note: Although it is not grammatically correct, TfL nowadays seem to use mixed upper/lower case when referring to the line names on all literature, maps, signs and even labels on some trains. For example, the Circle line is always listed as Circle line, not Circle Line. However, this convention does not extend to the Docklands Light Railway.
Why say TfL only "seem/seems"? Don't TfL style guides lay down the law on every detail of presentation? But (A) justify your prescription (B) explain the mass capitalisation on the London Connections map and in TfL Journey Planner" says SilasW 29/04/2008
from User:Olana North
Is it really relevant to have even a paragraph of detail on this in this article? Could it be cut down slightly? 78.86.18.55 (talk) 19:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I dunno, it was a major event in the history of the system, what were you suggesting be cut? Lord Cornwallis (talk) 19:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Wasn't there a plan to extend the line from Stratford, through lea valley to Tottenham hale? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.191.224 (talk) 21:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
The link to Chapter 5: Major Transport and Regeneration Projects, item 5.6.3 given as a reference in the Euston/King's Cross extension section doesn't mention anything about extending the DLR to Euston or Kings Cross. To Liverpool Street, Farringdon, or Charing Cross, yes. Euston or Kings Cross, no. In fact, Euston isn't even mentioned once anywhere in the chapter. Is the idea original research or a deliberate hoax? 79.74.71.162 (talk) 15:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I changed this from 28 February 2009 to early 2009. This was because this is what DLR now currently says. Someone changed it back again. There may still be some old references to the original date. However I think this was merely a contractual date by which the job had to be finished. DLR has a history of opening before the originally specified date. As progress is reported to be going well this would seem to be the case here. I think the normal convention should apply here and the most recent reference wins. All the recent references quote "early 2009".--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 19:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
81.159.181.26 (talk) 02:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC) it will be open in january...at the moment we are still testing and some building work still going but all is well and be open in january
I notice that the template within articles about individual stations e.g. Tower Gateway DLR station still shows the terminus as King George V. I would correct this if I knew how to. Could someone who does know how to please do this ?--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 16:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
The article says (the bullets are mine for ease of reference):
"Four new stations will be built:
In #3 "formerly" gives the name of a station once at the site of the DLR station, but for #1 I find no reference to a Cody Road station. Street maps show Cody Road and Star Lane almost collinear, separated by the railway and roads parallel to it. The change of name of a road, or part of it, seems irrelevant to the article.
In #5 the words connect with no subject (4 new sta.s will be built, A B C & D, as well as serving E & F).
Canning Town ex-NLL platforms too will become DLR.--SilasW (talk) 09:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing Sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. So I will be assessing the article. Pyrotec (talk) 19:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
The article is a good article, but there are a number of points that need to be addressed if this artilce is to remain a WP:GA.
They include:
I will put the GAR On Hold so that these can be addressed.Pyrotec (talk) 20:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi all, i made three minor edits to the Rolling Stock section (replaced two words and added a comma) to improve the flow/readability of the section. I was careful not to interfere with any industry-specific terms.Darigan (talk) 13:31, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Recently a user deleted one of the setences and references in this section, dismissing it as contradictory not on topic. Firstly, although it mentions the word 'Tram' in the little, Light Railways are commonly talked about throughout, and modern trams and light railways have become increasingly similar, right down to the rolling stock used. Secondly, as long as the criticisms made are from authoritive and proper sources, they don't have to agree with each other. However, they don't actually disagree when you read into the two statements. One was a complaint that it lacked peak time capacity and was overloaded at busy periods, and another attacked the system for spending most of its time underused. The two viewpoints aren't mutually exclusive, the DLR has the unfortunant position of both lacking and overproviding capacity simotaneously, being under heavy demand for two hours of the day, more than can be managed by the existing two car system hence the upgrades, and the cars travelling along virtually empty for 80% of the day. Thus the seeming contradiction vanishes when this is recognised, the different perspectives between peak time demand verses capacity, and overall use verses potential use at maximum capacity. Neither is wrong, just different perspectives of looking at the performance of the system. Hope this was at least informative for those curious in the matter, and that the section isn't edited out again without discussion. Kyteto (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Kyteto, i can see your arguement. Have you got any further sources to back up this topic? The one that you have provided is of high quality, but it is five years old and the DLR has undergone, and is currently undergoing, expansion and development programmes. Something more up-to-date might prove to be a stronger substantiating source, if such a source is available. Best Darigan (talk) 15:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
However, the ambitions of operators were supported by politicians in Parliament, including then Labour Deputy Prime Minster John Prescott[23] and Lord Whitty,[24] and by 1996 construction work on the line commenced as proposed.[19] This contains an anachronism as Labour were not in power in 1996. Can someone who knows the history correct this? MRSC (talk) 09:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
This section seems disjointed and off-topic and it doesn't really fit in with the rest of the article. The first one-sentence paragraph is a rather vague statement that really isn't worth making.
The rest is devoted to plugging a proposal which is proposed by the London group of the Campaign for Better Transport. It is a pressure group. As far as I am aware this is not an "official" proposal and even if it was it does not seem especially related to the article.
I would suggest we delete the whole section--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 00:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
The inaugural what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 14:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
When additional Excel services run, they start from Blackwall. Trains do not run into the Eastbound platform from Royal Victoria any more, so the points at Blackwall are used to reverse the trains. Will update when I can find a reference. WillE (talk) 20:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Is it strictly speaking correct to say that trains stopping at stations prior to Canning Town from the Beckton branch are running to Tower Gateway or Bank? Trains from the Eastern branch only run into Bank when they are running into service from the Beckton Depot, or when engineering works closes Tower Gateway. I think it might give a false impression to the casual reader. I also note that the Bank Station entry does not list trains to Gallions Reach, for the return journey to the depot.
Thoughts, anyone?
WillE (talk) 21:03, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I find it remarkable that 86 per cent of the population were said to be in favour of the extension to Woolwich. Maybe the demographics are unusual but say people typically live to 70 then 14 percent could be in each 10 year cohort; I doubt if a poll is normally taken (or to be taken seriously) where infants' opinions are counted. In any case: is the report of such a poll, where controversy has died through construction, really encyclopedic?--SilasW (talk) 14:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Such poles are always daft. Ask people in any area if they want to see a scheme that will improve public transport and I would be surprised if only 86% said yes. Such a simplistic poll is never really a reflection of public opinion. Mtaylor848 (talk) 14:39, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
The article comes up with a notice about its size. A simpler style (rather than "Write a ten million word essay") might ease that and the task of reading it.--SilasW (talk) 19:42, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone have details on what ground the DLR runs on? Through the Isle of Dogs it is on brownfield of course, and between Tower Gateway and Limehouse it is along side NR, but All Saints to Bow Church is old track bed isn't it? Is that former NR and why was it converted? Was it abandoned before? What other NR (except for the NLL) ran through the docks before the DLR replaced it? Was the Greenwich to Lewisham section on brownfield? Were buildings knocked down? Was it old NR trackbed? Pre-DLR docklands transport is something that would be good to mention in the history section no?- J.Logan`t: 08:24, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
According to a Canadian documentary on OnY's history, a provision of the agreement to build Canary Wharf was that the existing metro lines (perhaps the Jubilee line) would be extended to the building site. Apparently this was a personal promise made by the Iron Lady herself, and when it was broken there was some minor political fallout. There is no mention of this in this article, and it is possible, given the timing, that this story is bogus. Can anyone provide a reference one way or the other? Maury Markowitz (talk) 10:18, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
This is not a notable section. There was no incident here, I'm sure worse happens everyday. There were no injuries, no loss of life nor any damage to rolling stock. No objections if I remove it? Mtaylor848 (talk) 10:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough, I'll be bold and remove the text. Mtaylor848 (talk) 10:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
I notice that the details have been re-added. Curiously with a reference from, of all things, a daily paper from Dubai. But the reference is surely not the most reliable of sources and in any case does not go into the detail specified. This is the first time I have heard the claim that a police officer was involved. Previously a bodyguard or security staff were referred to. In any case if I recall correctly this was only part of the problem. The Queen was actually slightly early whereas the train had been programmed to run to a timetable. Personally I think far too much has been made of this minor event. However, if this is to be re-instated can we please have a reliable reference - and can we please spell "apparently" correctly ? Pedantic of Purley (talk) 13:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Really I accept that famous people get a little more mention. If I were shot on the system it wouldn't be worthy of mention, yet if the queen were I dare say it would be mentioned (perhaps proof that were not as egalitarian as we like to think). My objection here is that there was a very minor inconvenience to someone, whether they're famous or not isn't really that important when the incident itself was so trivial. Mtaylor848 (talk) 14:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
There are some inconstancies due to partial updates on three car trains;
Now, from what I know Cutty Sark will never be extended and Pudding Mill will be extended when it is rebuilt when moved due to Crossrail. As the Bank-Lewisham route is finished either Elverson Road cannot be extended or it has been finished now. On the Beckton route, Royal Victoria is already extended due to Stratford International works while Beckton Park and Cyprus are already long enough.
That leaves Custom House, Prince Regent, Royal Albert, Gallions Reach and Beckton. None of these stations are unable to be extended[1] so the question is what is finished and what isn't. The first quote says Royal Albert and Gallions Reach while the second says Beckton, Prince Regent and Custom House. Is anyone able to find out conclusively which ones are done, which are in works and which are not yet started?- J.Logan`t: 08:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I seem to recall many years ago when there was London Underground tube strike that the DLR ran totally automated. Usually, there is a passenger train attendedent, but I am pretty sure being surprised there was not one aboard.
Can someone confirm this. I am talking about early 1990s.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.234.179 (talk) 21:05, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
just to confirm dlr has never run without anybody on board. it use to have a system called no person on board but that has been taken away and the new trains don't have that. the original plans was that every station was going to be a psa to depart the train by using two buttons that are hidden on the outside of the train. (i am not allowed to tell you the locations) hope that helps — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.153.96 (talk) 16:29, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
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The map shown could use a colour code, at least for the DLR lines. I'd add one, but I'm not sure what to call that particular shade. Does is have a standard name (besides DLR color)?--agr (talk) 01:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
http://www.greenwich-guide.org.uk/november.htm#22 is a correct source for this - not sure where the date in Dec comes from but Cutty Sark opened later than the bulk of the Extension. To be precise, the official opening was Monday 22 November 1999 but the new section was open for free rides from the previous Saturday (20 November 1999) - I was there and used it myself as I live in Lewisham and often shop at ASDA in Crossharbour. Please can someone with more credibility than myself in this section of Wikipedia please adjust the relevant section as I don't need the arguments? Thanks in advance.[1] 188.29.9.17 (talk) 15:35, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I genuinely do not know what PSA stands for. Could someone more knowledgeable than me please spell it out, as a courtesy to ignorant readers like me.
Herbgold (talk) 15:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
My apologies, I missed that. Herbgold (talk) 21:28, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
I always thought "Sooty" was named after its number CT1, (not saying it didn't smoke a bit tho') and of course it almost always pulled a flatbed affectionately known as "Sweep"
Ripov (talk) 23:50, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello Wikipedians,
I am currently remaking the WHOLE page for the DLR wiki page. I would absolutely appreciate if some other wiki editors help me and add new information for the DLR. Thanks.
I will be adding new info, as well as fixing old links etc. OfficialNeon (talk) 17:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
These sentences:
The former station stood on the only significant section of single track on the system, between Bow Church and Stratford,[85] though the opportunity will be taken to double the track in three stages, to improve capacity. There was originally no provision for works beyond the realigned section in the Crossrail Act.
Seem like they should read:
The former station stood on the only significant section of single track on the system, between Bow Church and Stratford.[85] The opportunity will be taken to double the track in three stages, to improve capacity, though there was originally no provision for works beyond the realigned section in the Crossrail Act.
Or (less preferable).
The former station stood on the only significant section of single track on the system, between Bow Church and Stratford.[85] There was originally no provision for works beyond the realigned section in the Crossrail Act, though the opportunity will be taken to double the track in three stages, to improve capacity.
I am only trying to improve how it reads. The text as is seems unclear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.34.78 (talk) 08:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
404 not found — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.210.152 (talk) 10:33, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Wasn't there once talk of sending DLR trains down the Waterloo and City line? Would make a lot of sense, and abolish that otherwise rather silly line. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.210.152 (talk) 10:36, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Couple of points following my edits - Given that the "Replacement of Tower Gateway station with interchange at Tower Hill" turns out the proposal was for a "long term aspiration (2050)" is this really worth leaving in the article as a "proposed extension" for the next 30+ years? Or would this be best left in the tower gateway article. Furthermore, many of the other extensions to bromley/victoria etc are not currently proposed and were merely suggestions/ideas in previous studies by TFL. Given they are no longer under consideration, how best to represent them? Turini2 (talk) 22:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Sorry to reply to myself - but thoughts on consolidating the two Stratford International sections into one (given that 2011 is no longer recent)? Leaving only Pudding Mill Lane and new future rolling stock as the "current developments" ? Turini2 (talk) 22:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
By "Rail-Way" I mean that which would be left if the passenger facilities were by magic completely removed - no stations, no passenger compartments, no routes. The side box does include Track gauge 1,435 mm (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in) standard gauge and Electrification 750 V DC third rail (bottom contact) but there seems to be nothing in the main text.
The Article needs a section including an end-view of the track showing the shape and size of the running rails and how the third rail is positioned, showing the presumed coning of the wheels, showing how the running connection to the third rail is made - and where the platform edge goes. There should be something on the treatment of the third rail at points.
It needs something on the motors and on which are the driven wheels.
It needs something about how the power is converted from the presumed high voltage AC power that the DLR gets from the National Grid (or wherever) - and it could say whether the third rail is positive or negative. How much power does a train take, what is the peak power taken by the DLR, and the typical kWh/day? What about the stations - are they supplied as a shop of similar size might be, or what?
It should be possible to cover all that within the equivalent of a traditionally-typed A4 page, plus diagrams. 94.30.84.71 (talk) 16:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
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The list of stations page List of Docklands Light Railway stations has a very detailed background section for a list page - shouldn't this information be here on this page (or a 'history of' page). A better example would be something like List of London Underground stations, right? Turini2 (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
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I'd appreciate if people would stop reverting my attempts to correct the Fares and Ticketing section.
It currently says "There are barriers at Bank, Canning Town, Woolwich Arsenal, West Ham and Stratford, where the DLR platforms are within a London Underground or National Rail barrier line." This is factually incorrect with respect to Woolwich Arsenal. Woolwich Arsenal has two DLR platforms and two National Rail platforms, all of which are accessible from three different barrier lines. One of these barrier lines is operated by Southeastern, and the other two are operated by DLR. These are the only barrier lines staffed by DLR staff throughout the network.
I am happy to collaborate on a way of expressing this, but I am not happy with people continually reverting to a factually inaccurate state by claiming that what I am writing "doesn't make sense". Stifle (talk) 08:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
I have added a section on the important topic of CO2 emissions based on official figures. However I do not know why the figures are so much higher than London Underground (30 times!). If anyone knows please do add an explanation...51.6.235.59 (talk) 21:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Need a lot more technical detail, eg. traction current is 750 Vdc supplied through unusual "upside down" traction rail. Use and link to https://www.thetrams.co.uk/dlr/trains/ . - RHaworth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.193.40.235 (talk) 20:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
I don't think that the DLR has 7 lines, as the article says.
Looking at the history (e.g. here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Docklands_Light_Railway&oldid=601967934 ) this used to say 7 services, which is very different from 7 lines. For example, the District Line is 1 line with 6 services, according to its own Wikipedia article as of today.
Ultimately, 7 lines is simply incorrect. However, it's not clear what the right solution is. Options are:
- Restore the term "Services", and bring back the full list of services (as seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Docklands_Light_Railway&oldid=596609767 ), AND/OR
- Change it to "lines = 3", in accordance with the colour-coding used on the TfL's own DLR maps, seen here: https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/dlr , OR
- Maybe just remove this, or treat it all as 1 line (much like the Northern and District Lines are treated as 1 "line", despite being extremely non-linear in shape)
Jmmolenick (talk) 16:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)