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This article needs to address the reliability of the Fusion as compared to other cars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.52.11.115 (talk) 02:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Copied and pasted from my response to Mariordo (talk · contribs) on his talk page:
You apparently have an objection to the Ford Fusion Hybrid table edits I made. I reverted for a few reasons:
These notes will also be copied and pasted to Talk:Ford Fusion Hybrid. If you have specific responses, please respond there. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 13:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
The HS starts at $34,650; it's not really out of the Fusion Hybrid's price range. --Nlu (talk) 04:45, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I have tagged this article with ((multiple issues)) because:
I removed the info about 'cumulative sales in the U.S. market' (but the link remains) because it may confuse readers that it is talking about sales of the year as 1) most published reports are reporting current month/year's sales; 2) most articles in WP about particular automobile model seldom covers 'cumulative' sales of that model. ---North wiki (talk) 00:47, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
QUOTE: "These ratings allowed the 2013 Fusion Hybrid to outperform the 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid LE by 4 mpg-US (59 L/100 km; 4.8 mpg-imp) city and 8 mpg-US (29 L/100 km; 9.6 mpg-imp) highway"
Are you sure that Ford burn 29 or 59 less liters of gasoline per 100km then Toyota? ;) Not sure where to ask, here, on talk page or Energy portal etc... Sorry. 65.95.176.252 (talk) 07:59, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Not sure how to explain... May be I'm a bit picky, and no one would actually pay attention to that 1.69 km/L you have manage to come up with... It indeed look not just better, but very believable... Looks great! But...
Lets take a look at fuel savings of different vehicles each next one have 4 mpg better fuel consumption then previous:
As you can see second one consume 7 liters less per 100km then first one (ok, 6.72L without rounding error). That basically mean that #2 would go exactly 140km if we use 23.52L of gas that was used to fill #1 to get driven 100km. So 6.72L of fuel bought us 40km, so one extra L of gas will buy us 5.95km...
Lets do the same for #11.
As you can see eleventh one consume 0.4 liters less per 100km then tenth one (ok, 0.41L without rounding error). That basically mean that #11 would go exactly 108.72km if we use 5.11L of gas that was used to fill #10 to get driven 100km. So 0.41L of fuel bought us 8.72km, so one extra L of gas will buy us 21.28km...
Remember, difference in fuel economy among cars is 4mpg, in both cases.
Bottom line, if you translating delta mpg to metric without taking into account base mpg value, you are obviously doing something wrong.
Now important part.
59L/100km is the exactly same thing as 0.59L/km and exactly same thing as 1.69km/L !!!!!!!!!!!!
All three numbers indicate same fuel efficiency. And such fuel efficiency more suitable probably for main battle tanks, rather then for compact cars on a highway. Just think about it. Or you do know that? If yes...
I could not agree more, QUOTE:"0.59L/km looks better!". And driving 1.69km on one liter of gas looks even greater! Simply cuz most ppl are not comfortable with km per liter notation. If how article looks to crowd the thing that concerns you, then yeah, I admit, you have probably archived your goal. 65.95.176.252 (talk) 23:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
PS. Sorry for too many letters to read:( 65.95.176.252 (talk) 23:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
When I made the correction I tried to keep the math simple by making all Δ mpg conversion in the same units of distance per volume of fuel (i.e. km/liter and miles per imperial gallon), as traditionally fuel economy has been reported in the US (by the way, in Latin America km per liter is used, not so much L/100 km as used in Europe and Australia). The problem arises because liters per 100 km is a measure of consumption, the inverse of mpg (1/x) with the added 100 km base in the denominator. In mathematical terms, the difference between two fuel economy rates x1 - x2 expressed in distance per volume of fuel is different than 1/x1 - 1/x2. So, if there is consensus to keep the conversions to L/100 km, my suggestion is to use only km/liter and mpgimp. Otherwise, we need to do the exact math to avoid the error illustrated above. A third option is not to make the conversion, and since this is an American car, to show the Δ in mpg should be fine with Wiki policies.--Mariordo (talk) 01:10, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
I removed the "Overly tag" included by Checkingfax because no input was left on the talk about the alleged "unnecessary detail." So please, point out here the specifics of your concern. Nevertheless, let me explain that this article is not your regular automobile piece but it is about a green vehicle, and therefore, it is normal to highlight the green features, such fuel economy, emissions, and comparison with other ICE models. Furthermore, electric-drive vehicles have their unique features such as all-electric range, specs of the li-on battery pack and electric control systems, and pricing (due to the premium paid for the batteries and other related components). You can check other articles of hybrid electric vehicles (i.e. Toyota Prius), plug-in hybrids (i.e. Chevrolet Volt) or electric car (i.e Nissan Leaf) to confirm the style and typical content of articles about green cars. Cheers.--Mariordo (talk) 03:28, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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The California HOV stuff can be deleted. It's the worldwide web, not the californiawode web, people.--71.178.217.251 (talk) 08:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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Should the Ford Fusion Energi (plug-in hybrid) have it's own page? The Toyota_Prius_Plug-in_Hybrid does. The Hyundai_Sonata#Sonata_Plug-in_Hybrid does not. 313-matt (talk) 17:37, 16 March 2017 (UTC) 313-Matt
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Article doesn't state (except perhaps indirectly by implication) a major change from the first generation, namely, that the gasoline engine and electric motor can operate alone or together unlike the first generation where only one operates at a time. At least I assume that was a change with the introduction of second generation. I own both a 2010 and 2017 and that is a significant difference between them. Hebbgd (talk) 20:06, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
To build on the prevous comment, the article should have a Second & First Generation "Design and Technology" sections.
There have been several major changes, for example, the switch for nickel-metal hydride to lithum-ion batteries.
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Just a hybrid version Qwv (talk) 16:42, 3 July 2023 (UTC)