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Guys, when writing in the ENGLISH wikipedia, use the ENGLISH names for the squadrons, first. thanks See: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English).
George Marselis Draft Sargent, Computer Analyst D'02 Project2501a 12:30, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Please have in mind than when we change the aircraft inventory numbers, we have to use references or else unreferenced changes cannot be accepted. We cannot change the inventory on speculations or even on something we read in a newspaper. Even if the reference is not official, please state it before changing the inventory. Thanks. -->kompikos, 31 March 2008, 02:45 (UTC)
The Eurofighter Typhoon is a 4.5th generation fighter according to the article on fighter jets. I've made some changes in the article with the appropriate reference to that article but it seems the generations continue to be edited in the text. I know that saying 4.5th generation is not literally correct but seems like this is the way fighters are categorized. It actually makes sense in technological terms. The Typhoon and the Rafale lack specific characteristics that determine a 5th generation fighter. The Technology applied to both the F-16 Block 52+, Rafale and Typhoon are something between a 4th and 5th generation fighter (for ex. the fact that all these aircraft do not have full internal ammo and fuel storage bays that make them completely stealth or their engines configuration ). Please take these into account before re-editing.-- kompikos, 17 August 2007, 14:15 (UTC)
Guys this particular aircraft has been officialy retired from service and only 2 aircraft are kept (semi-operational) for display and exibition reasons only. I have seen this entry go on and off the fleet table many times in the past so I thought I should inform you. Take care -- kompikos 5:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I have no information about it so i post them. no any official ceremony heard for their retirement. Kompiko you have done more than perfect job to all arms of our Armed Forces. i am sure we have the best posted Armed Forces in Wikipedia. John , Athens May 29
The final section on Turkey may have truth to it, but has no citations as the contributors bias is clearly evident upon reading it. 68.39.174.238 00:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Since 1974, the Turkish state continuously violates Athens FIR flying rules set by ICAO and the Hellenic airspace, resulting in numerous operations of reconnaissance and interception against Turkish fighter jets by the Greek Air Force daily. These operations cause often heroic casualties and loses for the Greek pilots. Amongst the lost pilots are the well known stories of Nikolaos Sialmas (Νικος Σιαλμας), fallen near Agios Eustratios island of Northern Aigean sea and the recent death of Kostas Iliakis (Κωστας Ηλιάκης) who has fallen after a collision with a Turkish F-16 which deliberatelly crashed him as he was trying to stop a what was officially called "spying operation of Turkey towards Crete (Κρητη)" over the island of Karpathos at the South Aigean sea.
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This picture is not related to the Hellenic Air Force, which has no MM-40 in its inventory, and should be deleted from this article. Sv1xv (talk) 15:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Same problem with the US Army Patriot PAC3 and USAF Lantirn on F-15E. What should we do about them? Sv1xv (talk) 14:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
They are not directly related. Simply, as it is nearly impossible to find or create free pictures of military subjects in Greece, someone added them in the past as the closest available thing. I shall comment them out immediately, and delete them after a few days. Sv1xv (talk) 19:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Today these two images were restored by User:El Greco. I don't want an editors' war here, but User:El Greco should discuss it in the talk page first. Sv1xv (talk) 07:44, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, I wanted a third person's view before removing them. As you also agree, it's now OK to delete them. Sv1xv (talk) 14:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
The last paragraph "As of 2007... Sukhoi Su-35 or Su-37" is possibly accurate, but it must be properly referenced, otherwise it remains a speculation and is not compatible with the Wikipedia:Verifiability concept. Sv1xv (talk) 09:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
So, could you please cite a couple of such references? This is a basic rule of Wikipedia:Verifiability. The STRATEGY article cited is not really clear abt the subject. It would be best if you could cite an article in english from a mainstream UK or USA aviation magazine, but even articles in greek would be acceptable. Sv1xv (talk) 05:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Scan0016kom.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Nigel Ish (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC) Nigel Ish (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
The copyright issues regarding re-use of material from http://www.haf.gr are not specific enough. I sent an e-mail to the webmaster regarding this subject and he replied that material from their web site can be reused as long as the original source is stated. Sv1xv (talk) 07:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Therefore coats of arms and similar stuff can be used under a "fair use rationale" for copyrighted material. Photographs, except for exceptional cases, are not acceptable per WP rules. Sv1xv (talk) 09:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I believe this note does not belong to this article. It is best to move it to the appropriate article Dassault_Mirage_F1#Mirage_F1CG. Any oppinions? Sv1xv (talk) 07:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
There must have been a mistake here. The A-7 is NOT in operational storage. It's fully OPERATIONAL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.139.31 (talk) 18:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
The structure section is more like a photo gallery and doesnt really communicate the structure at all. Because of the images it becomes unreadable at small screen sizes. I would suggest a more simple list and a bit of explanation might be better for the stucture. The gallery is already far to big and needs pruning (as most images can be seen fom the commons link). Any thoughts. MilborneOne (talk) 15:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
El Greco today our inventory is. Fighters, 32 F-16C/D Block-30 ( 28 -C , 4 -D ), 39 F-16C/D Block-50 ( 31 -C , 8 -D ), 58 F-16C/D Block-52+ ( 38 -C , 20 -D ), 30 F-16C/D Block-52 Adv ( under delivery ) ( 20 -C , 10 -D ), 25 M-2000-5 ( 15 of them bought new and 10 were older M-2000EGM that upgraded to M-2000-5 ), 20 M-2000EGM/BGM ( 17 -EGM, 3 -BGM ), 40 TA/A-7E ( will retire when we deliver all 30 new F-16 ), 35 F-4 PI-2000, 18 RF-4E,
Transport-Fire fighters, 10 C-130H ( 2 of them can carry EW systems ), 5 C-130B, 12 C-27J, 1 C-47 ( its only for historical flights ), 1 YS-11A ( its only for calibration ), 1 Do-28D ( SAR duties, will retire ), 1 ERJ-135 ( VIP ), 1 ERJ-145 ( VIP ), 1 Gulfstream-V ( VIP ), 8 CL-415GR/MP ( 7 -GR, 1 -MP ), 13 CL-215, 12 G-164A, 22 PZL M-18A/BS ( 19 -A , 3-BS )
Trainers, 19 T-41D, 45 T-6A, 40 T-2C/E ( 5 -C , 35 -E ),
Helicopters 11 AB-205A ( SAR ), 4 Bell-212 ( VIP ), 3 A-109E ( MEDEVAC ), 6 AS-532 ( CSAR ), 4 AS-332C1 ( SAR, these helis belong to Coast Guard but operated with HAF help ), Also decision taken for 15 new AS-332C1,
AEW&C ( ,,flying radars,, ), 4 EMB-145H ERIEYE,
UAV, 5 Pegasus-1, 12 Pegasus-2 ( on order ),
MPA ( maritime patrol ), 6 P-3B ( 2 of them grounded, very low availability, belong to navy and operated with HAF help ),
About anti-aircraft systems, weapons, pods are O.K in article and dont need any change.
About future plans. In fighters they are plans for 40 4th generation planes. The fleet of F-16 planned to go for an upgrade. In trainers for 37 new jet trainers to replace the T-2 Buckeye. Also for new piston trainers to replace the T-41D Mescalero. At helis decision taken for 15 new AS-332C1 to replace the AB-205 and Bell-212. The 6 P-3B Orion planned to replace by 5 new planes but this is a Navy decision about the type that will replace them. 2 new AS-332 helis on order for Ministry of Health but will operated by HAF ( ministry has not pilots-structure to operate them alone )
About the EMB-99 aircraft you search their is no such plane. Exist a maritime patrol model of Embraer aircraft called R-99 but we dont have it.
Οπως στα γράφω είναι, πηγή είμαι εγώ αλλά δεν μπορώ να δημοσιεύσω τον ευατό μου. Οτι νομίζεις κάνε. Αν δεν ξέρεις εσύ από αεροπορία βάλε τότε τον Kompiko να ασχολείται που τα ξέρει και με το παραπάνω. Οσες φορές είναι τέλειο το inventory μιλάμε το έχεις χαλάσει αρκετά... πρόσεξε μην τα ,,θαλασσώνεις,, !! Kαλό 15Αυγουστο.
Γιάννης 9/8/2009 Αθήνα —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.11.12 (talk) 00:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
At the P-3 that i wrote that 2 are grounded... are retired time ago, parked at the Hellenic Aircraft Industry tarmac without engines etc for some years.. Now one P-3 fly. At Greece the AEW&C brazilian aircrafts are called EMB-145H and not E-99/R-99 or something..-99 .. The above inventory is correct, because we had for a long period THE perfect inventory on wikipedia from all the others air forces and now we have a almost nothing inventory i suggest you write at the article the above inventory that is far more better that the article inventory and when you have new infos you want you change what you want.
Γιάννης-John 8/9/2009 Athens —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.11.74 (talk) 22:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
According to [[1]] Greek Air Force uses the U.S.A.F. rank system in english speaking papers. Historically the British (RAF) ranks were used until ca. 1967. So, it would be appropriate for present officers to prefer the U.S. rank system: United States Air Force officer rank insignia.Alexikoua (talk) 19:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I had to remove the whole paragraph. Please do not write anything about it anymore. Not only it was written in what can only be described as poor English, it was also unreferenced and unsubstantiated. People need to understand that the Red flag organisers do not publish "scores" or anything like that. The references for the performance of the squadron that participated there can only be found in Greek press and there is a huge discrepancy between them. Some say that the score was x, some that the score was y, some that the score was z, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.237.85.229 (talk) 13:01, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Its a waste of time editing the list with-out a source ir link. Remember what ever number you put down will NOT change realityRademire (talk) 16:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
It needs to pe flipped horizontally —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigshotnews (talk • contribs) 11:20, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
I have reverted 2 edits by 188.4.138.171 (talk · contribs), see DIFF. The unreferenced edits here related to military involvement in Afghanistan. If these have any validity, please let me know. Out of a total of 4 edits, the editors 1st and 4th were vandalism at Gaza flotilla clash. --220.101.28.25 (talk) 14:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
T-41 is still used as trainer.I noticed that after the last edit it is not in the "trainer aircraft" list. GiorgosKak (talk) 21:54, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Is it worth changing the Rank Insignia to the images found here? --ChevronTango (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
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So Dr.K. took upon himself to revert content that was sourced, and reinstate some dsambiguation links, which was started with changes by Khirurg and no citations were provided. As not to get into an edit war I'm asking any editors to perhaps provide an opposing source regarding the F-16's variants and their roles. Currently Flight Global's World Air Forces 2018 pg. 19 has the C variant under combat and the D is under the training role. Thanks - FOX 52 (talk) 07:16, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Neither the US and Israel classify two seat versions (eg B, D) exclusively as trainers. I agree it is correct to list them as combat aircraft.Explainador (talk) 15:44, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
I was taking a look at the "political involvement" section which some time ago a an editor correctly marked as unverified and disputed (an assessment I agree with). For starters it attempts to contrast other branches and leads by stating: In its early years, the Air Force was considered politically right-wing and royalist; indeed, it was known as the "Royal Hellenic Air Force". The Greek Navy was apparently also called the "Royal Hellenic Navy" and had its name changed with royal removed at the same time with the ending of the Monarchy in Greece. Moreover there is the Royal Danish Air Force, the Royal Norwegian Air Force and many others, that does not make them either right wing or "monarchist." The section is amateurish and filled with vestigial politics and bias. The second half really has to do with strategy and should have more to do with doctrine and considerations and be under such a title (eg: doctrine and considerations) instead of "poltical involvement" anyway. Explainador (talk) 15:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Dear all,
I have made some extensive changes on the paragraph structure, text flow, English grammar and vocabulary and picture allocation in extensive parts of the page WITHOUT adding new information or deleting old that were verified. I made all these changes having forgotten to login so please atribute all these changes to me.
The purpose was to improve the quality and flow of the text, as well as the English vocabulary and grammar used so it can be pleasantly read in English. The visuals (pictures) were also repositioned to refer to the text.
I have noticed that the inventory DOES NOT include aircraft that are part of the fleet such as the Embraer ERJ-135 for example? Also the structure of the inventory table seem to be a bit random (for example the aerial firefighters section is “dropped” in the middle of other major combat units etc). I think the inventory needs to be properly remodelled to improve the quality of the table and the article.
Many thanks —>kompikos (talk) 00:43, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@FOX52
I do not care about removing the images from the tables but reverting the whole format and wasting a day’s work to create the table of retired and historical aircraft is beyond me, You could have only removed the images if this creates the format and clutter problem and not the entire table, just because you can’t be bothered to just remove the images. It is one thing to oversee the format of the page and another thing to waste everyone’s time. If the idea is to move from free users editing of Wikipedia to a few “master” editors that can’t be bothered reviewing what they should and shouldn’t revert, then it’s a complete waste of time, time which I do not have. At least re-enter the historical aircraft table without the images. Or is it too much work for you? Thanks for nothing.
Kompikos (talk) 11:26, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
The article currently says "Until the late 1980s the Air Force deployed Nike-Hercules Missiles armed with U.S. nuclear warheads using the LTV TA-7C Corsair II." The Nike Hercules is a large surface-to-air missile. While it possible that the HAF's Nike Hercules missiles had US nuclear warheads that could be fitted in times of dire need and even that the HAF's A-7s could also have access to US owned nuclear bombs, one thing that is certain is that the Nike Hercules would be carried by the A-7s as the article currently states. In addition, the whole paragraph is completely unsourced.Nigel Ish (talk) 13:06, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
I really cannot see the purpose of this section. It is highly politicised and frankly, I cannot see how it interests anybody who visits this article. It's factual integrity is disputed, it expresses possible personal opinions of whoever introduced it and does not reflect the politically neutral (official) position of the Greek Armed forces since 1975, creating the false impression that the Hellenic Air Force is politicised. Above all, it has no educational purpose, it just expresses the personal view of the author. I think it should be completely removed from the article, but cannot take the liberty to do this alone unless more editors agree. Many thanks. --Kompikos (talk) 16:12, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
In the "Other Ranks" section, there's no mention and image of the Conscript Sergeant rank. Take a look at: https://www.haf.gr/staff/ranks/ 85.74.34.137 (talk) 17:35, 13 March 2024 (UTC)