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The section about the prohibition of reproductive cloning in the EU is outdated. It states that "...if the Treaty of Lisbon is ratified..." As it stands now, The Treaty of Lisbon, which makes the Charter of Fundamental Human Rights legally binding, has been ratified and goes into effect on December 1, 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.179.109 (talk) 19:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
"Current regulations prohibit federal funding for research into human cloning, which effectively prevents such research from occurring in public institutions and private institution such as universities which receive federal funding. However, there are currently no federal laws in the United States which ban cloning completely, and any such laws would raise difficult Constitutional questions similar to the issues raised by abortion." I'd like a source for that, and it should be more specific. What amandment of the American Constitution? Ran4 17:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC) use i dfg gb gs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.203.144.151 (talk) 16:23, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
If federal regulation people lost a child they would do how do we know they haven'tthey can do things and hide itI bet you it has been doneif anyone heard anything let me knowbecause I do it Nick11415 (talk) 08:47, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
These sites, under the guise of "official" status (not official at all — even the owner is anonymous) are basically ad farms with pages designed to play upon the heartstrings and anxieties of the weak and desperate (e.g. the childless, the paralysed, the infertile, the bereft etc) for donations. The sites attempt to mislead people with unscientific claims and unpublished speculation. To the anonymous owner of those sites: provide footnotes with links to scientific, published papers if you want that site linked. At this stage, your sites feature a long list of pie-in-the-sky "benefits" of human cloning. As it stands, it is misleading and unscientific. Some may even say it is predatory. Skopp (Talk) 07:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Weasel words... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.52.144.183 (talk) 18:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Human cloning is a very controversial topic. Why is not any entry on controversy and particular opinions or views on this topic cited on the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.69.75.146 (talk) 22:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
wikipedia needs to have a dicussion about cloning, while i do understand it is a touchy subject dealing with religious beliefs and other factors, i still strongly believe there should be one. I also need some opinions on the subject for my essay Ihave to right for my health class.please feel free to speak up.
My son died. I want him cloned is it possible? Nick11415 (talk) 08:45, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hmm, just noted that I couldn't add some stuff here.
The first human hybrid human clone was created in November 1998, by American Cell Technologies.[1]. It was created from a man's leg cell, and a cow's egg whose DNA was removed. It was destroyed after 12 days. Since a normal embryo implants at 14 days, Dr Robert Lanza, ACT's director of tissue engineering, told the Daily Mail newspaper that the embryo could not be seen as a person before 14 days. While making an embryo, which may have resulted in complete human had it been allowed to come to term, according to ACT: "[ACT's] aim was 'therapeutic cloning' not 'reproductive cloning'"
~ender 2008-02-16 10:58:AM MST
Ermm.... I think IT IS PROTECTED! 88.105.87.97 (talk) 11:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC) i think the last comment was supposed to be under No controversy??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.100.202.198 (talk) 02:07, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
What the hell does "descregligible" mean? "and "persistence cloning" to descregligible SENS (Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence)". As far as I can tell, this word doesn't exist anywhere outside of this article and the various websites that mirror it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.131.10.133 (talk) 17:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Also, the definitions of 'cloning'/'human cloning', 'clone', 'therapeutic cloning' and 'reproductive cloning' all need work.
There are no documented cases of successful human cloning.
Directly contradicts this:
Human cloning is the creation of a genetically identical copy of a human being, human cell, or human tissue.
Since ACT (and others) have generated human embryos. However, I can see the confusion, if people are using different definitions of what 'human cloning' meants.
ACT itself complains about people mis-using the term 'therapeutic cloning'; "claiming that employing cloning techniques to create a child for a couple who cannot conceive through any other means treats the disorder of infertility. We object to this usage and feel that calling such a procedure "therapeutic" yields only confusion."[1].
Creation of an embryo which could be brought to term and/or has been successfully brought to term needs a specific name, versus the creation of other types of cells which while able to reproduce and differentiate, cannot be used to create a reasonably undamaged complete organism - which needs a different term.
~ender 2008-02-16 10:58:AM MST
"However, the most successful common cloning technique in non-human mammals is the process by which Dolly the sheep was produced. John Rick Shelton was one of 277 attempts. It is also the technique used by Advanced Cell Technology (ACT), the first company to successfully[2] clone early human embryos that stopped at the six cell stage."
I removed the sentence referring to the gentleman as Google didn't turn up anything relevant to Dolly the Sheep or cloning when I searched for his name. --Kyace (talk) 23:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
This article is horrible, it's written like a 6th Grade Essay. It discusses events in 2001, and rambles on about aliens... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.155.5.205 (talk) 16:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
One of the headings in the article on human cloning is 'possible advantages'. A few years ago I wrote articles on the subject of humanitarian cloning,and I mailed the articles to magazines,but unfortunately,none of them were interested in publishing my articles. As far as I know,I am the only person who has proposed the idea of humanitarian cloning. Basically,the purpose of humanitarian cloning is to preserve the genetic diversity of a population that has been devastated by genocide,for example,the Jews in world war two. Since six million Jews were killed by the Nazis,we should allow the Jews who are alive today to create as many as six million cloned copies of themselves. Another example is the Bosnians who were killed in the war in the 1990's. Bosnians who are alive today should be allowed to clone themselves,and these Bosnian clones would replace the Bosnians who were killed in the war. Of course,replacing people who were lost is only a symbolic gesture,to try to heal the emotional wounds of war,the people killed during warfare can never really be replaced. The real value of humanitarian cloning lies in the possibility of preserving the genetic diversity of the Jewish gene pool,the Bosnian gene pool,et cetera. Signed---- Anthony Ratkov. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.221.74.116 (talk) 06:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Comment on above statement: I believe that "preserving the genetic diversity" of the gene pool of populations reduced by genocide would not be achieved by cloning the remaining population because no new diversity would be achieved except where the usual mutations occur. Remember the clones would be genetically exact copies of the donors. (Panthora (talk) 13:42, 24 October 2010 (UTC))
Why is there absolutely no mention of cellular/molecular level human cloning? We are already growing human limbs and tissue. Sirmikey1 (talk) 04:46, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
The article should address "natural" cloning...i.e. identical twins.
Goeggel (talk) 01:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Or, to put it more comparatively, explain how "natural cloning" (multiple identical siblings) is often referred to as "horizontal cloning" where the children are born at the same time, and "reproductive cloning" as "vertical cloning" where the children are born after the first "sibling" has already grown to adult maturity. This could help to establish that clones aren't the same person, much like identical siblings aren't the same person, and that "genetic" identity is intrinsically flawed. FinalDeity (talk) (Sorry, forgot to log in)
Why is there no process/theories of Human Cloning stated? -Vincetti (talk) 23:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
i have wondered how human can be cloned and if they can be cloned why don't scientist clone people with HIV patience and develope clone liver for people with hepathitis B and also get artificial blood for blood transfusion instead of taking blood from people which can end up being diseased infested —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.210.13.77 (talk) 12:49, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
"With regard to" is a weasel term. Tell me, what does this passage mean? It's not even clear whether the research is legal or not: The remaining gap with regard to therapeutic cloning was closed when the appeals courts reversed the previous decision of the High Court.[16] 199.172.169.33 (talk) 02:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
((editsemiprotected)) Established user needed to correct this last part of History section please:
"Human cloning also gained a foothold in popular culture, starting in the 1970s. Alvin Toffler's Future Shock, David Rorvik's In His Image: Toward Cloning of a Man, Woody Allen's film Sleeper and The Boys from Brazil all helped to make the public aware of the ethical issues surrounding human cloning."
The correct title to Rorvik's book is: "In his Image: the Cloning of a Man". Not "...Toward Cloning..." and "his", not "His"
Please change "In His Image:Toward Cloning of a Man" to "In his Image: the Cloning of a Man"
The word "his" is intentionally left uncapitalized by the author at least on the cover. I assume Rorvik did this to underscore the play-on-words concerning a man cloning himself (thereby creating a being in "his" image), as apposed to the more familiar meaning of the phrase (a supreme being creating a life in "His" image, usually a direct reference to God) in which case the word "His" in the phrase "In His Image", would of course be capitalized regardless of whether it appeared in a title or not.
Also this last small paragraph in the History section listing the books and films involving human cloning, would probably be better placed, or actually incorporated, into the Popular Culture section in the article.
I have made the appropriate edits to the book title in Rorvik's article. Can I please get an established user to make the corrections in this semi-protected article?
I suggest someone writes a few lines about the "Hitman" franchise of games from game developer Eidos. The game theme and story revolves around cloning, with the games protagonist being a clone himself. The last game in the franchise "Hitman: Blood Money" is about the political and legal aspect of cloning, especially in the United States of America. --87.58.243.118 (talk) 16:01, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
The probably most common misconception about therapeutic cloning is that it would mean the creation of a whole human to take the needed organ(s) from. But since a human clone would inevitably develop a full human mind and an unique personality this would be equivalent of killing one person in order to cure an other. Consequentially, the goal of therapeutic cloning is to create only the tissues which the patient needs. As such I think that therapeutic cloning should be encouraged due to its potential to cure diseases otherwise incurable. For a more detailed explanation of cloning of whole humans please read the discussion under the subtitle “Misconceptions on reproductive cloning”. I have started it myself.
2010-06-22 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
I really felt the need to write this. I know this is intended to be a discussion of the article but I apparently minsunderstood that. It would be suitable to point out in the article that therapeutic cloning does not involve the creation of a whole human as many people seem to think.
2010-06-27 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
No, I don't remember where I got my statements from. Sorry for not thinking about that.
2010-08-25 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
There are many misconceptions about reproductive cloning. I intend to debunk the two most important ones here. If you want to criticise my text please avoid ad hominem attacks. I know that cloning is a hot topic but please just ask about or criticise things immediately related to what I have written here.
One is that clones would be soulless. It is based on the claim that the soul enters the embryo at conception. This idea is in turn based on two misunderstandings of what conception means. First, conception is not a moment but a process which takes between 24 and 48 hours. Secondly, the result is just a barely visible single cell. This cell divides into two, which divides into four ones, which divides into eight and so on. When there are enough cells they split up into one inner layer which later develops into the foetus and one outer which develops into the membrane of the foetus and placenta. The inner layer splits up further into three layers. The innermost develops into the digestive system and lungs. The middle layer develops into skeleton, muscles, the circulatory system, kidneys and genitals. The outermost layer develops into skin and the nervous system. This is a completely natural process which takes place in all Chordates but at different speeds and with different end results. Comparable processes take place in all animals except for sponges and Cnidaria which develops two cell layers instead of three. (A possible other exception is the Placozoa which have only been seen to reproduce asexually.) My point is that a soul can't exist without a brain. It does not matter if you call it soul, spirit, mind or personality it is still dependant on the function of the brain. Consequentially, if there is a sufficiently developed brain there is also a soul. The only way a child can be born soulless is if it is born without a cortex. However, such a child could be considered born brain-dead.
If a healthy clone can be made the development of the brain would not be influenced by the coning process. Although clones may have aberrations from human nature but these will be aberrations existing in non-clones as well. People ignorant of such aberrations may mistake them for evidence that clones does not have a full mind. The idea of clones being soulless will result in them being treated as if they where not sentient. If carried out from start such a treatment will result in clones having their mental development neglected. In severe cases they may not have the chance to learn fundamental human skills such as speaking and knowing the properties of everyday objects. There are cases of severely neglected children which have not even learned to chew because their parents had never given them any solids! Clones which never had the chance to learn fundamental human skills may be misunderstood as being born without the ability to learn them. This will result in no effort to repair the damage done to their minds to the extent it is possible. All in all this misconception has the potential to make a clone’s life truly miserable.
One other is that cloning would recreate the personality of the cloned person. But since there is no magic involved in cloning cones can be directly compared to identical twins. What we call “identical twins” may be physically nearly identical. Yet they always develop unique personalities regardless if the grow up together or apart. As such a clone would inevitably develop an unique personality. Most important, a clone will have no memory of anything that has happened to the cloned person. Neither is there any guarantee that the clone will have any of the cloned person's skills, habits or addictions. (A clone may have the genetic potential for addiction but this is not the same as addiction itself.) However, a clone will to great extent share the cloned person's specific talents, lack of specific talents and general temperament. Some element of taste for food and drink is also hereditary since the density of taste buds on the tongue is genetically determined as well as dislike of certain plants. These similarities – combined with skills and habits based on them – may be mistaken for evidence that the clone is the cloned person. Is there anything more frustrating that not being believed? Moreover, children who grow up with the expectation of becoming someone who already exists become unhappy because they can't live up to people's expectations. This has already happened to several children of celebrities. So we might call this condition “famous parent syndrome”.
I think that cloning of whole humans is immoral. By cloning you create a person who merely from the way he or she came into existence runs a constant risk of being wrongfully treated. This kind of cloning should be outlawed. But artificial dividing of embryo could be allowed provided they are all developed during the same pregnancy. If so the result will be indisguisable from natural identical twins, triplets, and so on. Most likely the first human clone in not born yet. However, it is probably only a matter of time before the first human clone is born. Since clones would not differ from non-clones in any intrinsical sense they should have full civil rights. They should be raised by people who have not only realized this but also are highly motivated to let them live their own lives. To everyone who blames a clone for the actions of the cloned person I want to say: Would you blame an identical twin for something the other twin has done? To all future clones I want to say: Please remember that you are unique, just like everyone else.
2010-07-27 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
I suggest the use of Steven Pinker’s The Blank Slate – The modern denial of human nature. I have read it myself in Swedish translation. In this book he writes that personality is 40–50% hereditary, 10% or less due to parenting and 50% due to pure random chance. If no-one has anything against the use of this book as a source I think it should be used to fill a hole I found. The article states that we don’t know to which extent I clone’s personality would resemble that of the cloned person. However, I think we already know enough to make rough estimates of the similarities between them. I was in fact more prepared to criticism based on bad analogies. For example, some people compare modern twin studies to the experimentation on twins conducted by the Nazis. In reality they have no more in common than the use of identical twins. What the Nazis did wrong was conducting painful human experimentation instead of painful animal experimentation. (The Nazis treated many animals better than many people.) I can’t find out any way in which twin studies could be painful. Identical twins divided shortly after birth for other reasons has just been traced down and asked systematic questions independently of each other. From the answers they have given their degrees of different personality traits can be estimated. Although there are always significant similarities between their personalities there are also always significant differences as well. From this I draw the conclusion that clones would inevitably develop unique personalities yet there would still be some similarities with the personalities of the persons they where cloned from.
My point is that a clone would not be the cloned person any more than an identical twin is the other twin. People thinking that cloning would recreate the cloned person most be using some kind of magical thinking. Many habits and skills can’t be hereditary themselves since their very existence depends on what can be found in the environment. When similar habits are found in identical twins raised apart they most be due to the same inborn tendencies getting a similar outlet in a similar environment. In the same way we do not inherit skills themselves but the ability to learn specific types of skills. About memory I am convinced that humans are born with almost no memory at al. What little memory we do possess at birth is due to experiences during the later stages of fetal development. Since there is no magic involved in cloning cones will be no different. Please note that there are several different types of which mature at different ages. Infants can remember and learn a lot but they can’t have any conscious memory of events. This ability develops at the age of two or three when the mind of the child matures to the stage of being aware of its own existence independent of the environment. This can usually be noticed due to the child starting to use pronouns in first person or referring to itself by using its first name.
Some people think that clones will be “soulless” due to the absence of conception. These people can’t be aware that identical twins (triplets and so on) originate from a single conception. Do they share a single soul or is all but one soulless? This is a good question to ask such people.
2010-07-28 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
I think Huxleys take is all the more meritorious since he came up with it in '31. I added it to pop culture. I appologise I screwed it up and am unable to fix the damn thing. Please help&delete this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.127.177.126 (talk) 19:37, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
the first person who was cloned the process of --190.58.206.24 (talk) 22:36, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
While I was reading this article, this phrase caught my eye. "The ethical and moral issues cannot wait and should be discussed, debated and guidelines and laws be developed now" This statement seems to infer that Wikipedia is not neutral about this topic. Any thoughts? BubbleBuggy (talk) 02:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the long section of trivia. It contained only one ref tag and that seemed nonWP:RS. If anyone wishes to add some back, reliable sources are imperative and an indication of relevance to the subject -- as in how does the fictional thing improve the article content or reader understanding of the content. Vsmith (talk) 15:15, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
The first lines say "Human cloning... does not refer to ... reproduction of humans/animals cells or tissue." Then a line says "There are two commonly discussed types of human cloning: therapeutic cloning ... Therapeutic cloning involves cloning cells from an adult for use in medicine and transplants". That's contradictory. I'm not sure how to resolve that now, but it should be resolved some way. Chuck Baggett (talk) 19:50, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
This article was part of an assignment from Saint Louis University in Spring 2014 (see the course page for more details).. Estephe9 (talk) 17:52, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Jfriend2 Jfriend2 (talk) 17:54, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
User:Jfriend2 and I are discussing how this article could be improved, and we think it would be beneficial to change the format of the article. Some of these changes include:
Jfriend2 (talk) 18:53, 18 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfriend2 (talk • contribs) 18:49, 18 February 2014 (UTC) -Estephe9 (talk) 17:54, 18 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Estephe9 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Some quick feedback on the edits you just made:
This article is being peer reviewed as an assignment for this class. Rraju2 (talk) 20:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
This article is being peer reviewed as part of this class — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtrivedi92 (talk • contribs) 05:35, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Jtrivedi92 (talk) 06:11, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
According to the article as it's currently written, "Maine restricts human cloning but does not ban it." I don't understand what this is supposed to mean. Does it mean that you need a state issued license to clone in Maine? Maybe you're not allowed to clone on Sundays and federal holidays? Since there's no citation for this claim, i think it causes more confusion than clarification.
Also, i don't understand what the popular culture section is supposed to add to this article. Unless i completely misunderstood the plot, Jurassic Park had nothing to do with human cloning in any way. Time Magazine once running a cover story about human cloning a decade ago is unremarkable unless additional information about the article and its impacts are provided. I think this entire wikipedia article would be improved simply by deleting the popular culture section.
199.104.125.246 (talk) 18:03, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Hey all, WP:MEDRS applies here, regardless of whether this is featured on WP's front page or not. Newspapers are not acceptable secondary sources for biomedical related information. Remember the South Korean issues, anyone? On top of that ACT is notorious for doing science by press release: http://www.biopoliticaltimes.org/article.php?id=5114 We need to see if others are able replicate this and until the scientific community has time to absorb the results, and for this work to be discussed in a review article. As per WP:MEDRS. Until then, we need to wait to give a lot of WP:WEIGHT to this. Jytdog (talk) 20:50, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
ThaddeusB I see that you added this to the front page, in this dif! Your description of this being the first "human clone" was just plain wrong, and what appears now on the front page is even more wrong. It actually says now "Adult human DNA is cloned for the first time within an unfertilized egg." I don't know who is responsible for editing these headlines, but this is just kind of embarrassing for WP - it is bizarre to talk about "cloning DNA" in the context of this paper, and it was not the first time that people had done SCNT with human cells. Do you know how to get the headline fixed or better just deleted? At least your wanting to give a bunch of weight to this topic makes a bit more sense now. Jytdog (talk) 18:09, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
I removed this image from the article because it is completely unclear. It doesn't say which declaration this was, exactly when it took place, or even what a for or against vote means in this context. And there's no source in the image description. Trinitresque (talk) 01:13, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
As noted above, students in my class have been working on this article through the semester with their final effort due soon. User: jytdog has been watching and providing support throughout the process (Thank you!). Any specific and constructive suggestions of how they might continue to improve the article in the next few weeks would be welcome. If I can summarize some of what I think I understand on the talk page, they could:
Correct me if I misunderstood and add to the list as seems appropriate. Thanks. Biolprof (talk) 04:25, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
This article is being peer reviewed as an assignment for this class. RegOH (talk) 01:05, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
RegOH (talk) 01:05, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
This article is being reviewed for this class. A few suggestions in addition to those above:
Iamwillthinnes (talk) 02:35, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Some recent edits have been made to this section to include a very long detailed description on a tv show and it's plot that includes cloning. This whole section needs to be re-worked to focus only briefly on HUMAN cloning in popular culture, not just cloning in general. Cloning in popular culture has it's own section in the Cloning article. Only sources referencing to human cloning should be included in this section and I will be working on cleaning it up over the next day or so. Jfriend2 (talk) 20:51, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
I was WP:bold and removed the following sentence from the history section:
It seems to me that it is more relevant to ethical issues than history and it has no citation. Anyone who disagrees should feel free to revert. Biolprof (talk) 21:57, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
I was reviewing the text on United states state laws and the source for the entry under Florida is not present in the current citation from the National Conference of State Legislatures Jan 2008
What is the reason for this? Has the state law been changed or was the source originally incorrect? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.106.239.16 (talk) 03:31, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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