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The beginning of this section states that "Istria returned to Italy". My understanding is that parts of Istria were previously in the domain of Venice or Rome at various times, but that Istria was never previously, in part or in whole, in the domain of united Italy. I think a more accurate statement would be that Istria came under the governance of Italy. If necessary, this section could reference the historical facts related to Venice and Rome noted earlier in the article (although not sure why). This section should also reference the source of this transfer, linked to capitulation at the end of WWI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerozeroonezeroonezeroone (talk • contribs) 17:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I came to this page to convert the SAMPA for the English pronunciation to IPA, but on further investigation decided the SAMPA was wrong anyway - it said /Ist'4i@/ which means that the t is supposed to be palatalised. Alternatively, and more likely, the ' has been used in error to indicate the stress (strictly and confusingly " in SAMPA, although many people get this wrong) in which case it means that the stress falls on the second syllable, which seems unlikely, especially given that it's stressed on the first syllable in the local languages. In the end I decided to ditch any representation of the English pronunciation, and let the Italian and Croation/Slovenian pronunciations speak for themselves. rossb 06:56, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Use this feature if you're at a loss how to improve this very brief article, too heavily stressing ethnic issues. --Wetman 08:55, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
That number is very low, there were far more than that who came from Italy to dilute the Slavic population, particularly if 300,000 left after World War II. It is my understanding that ethnic Venetians never to have lived inside an Italian state have never used the word 'Italian' to describe themselves even if some may have switched nationality as it were from Venetian to Italian. Either way, the number of Venetians is and always was small... the base of a Italian ideology stems from people originating from the Italian peninsula, a long way from Istria, and no closer to many of the northern regions today to actually be in Italy. Celt 08-01-06
I have a problem with this paragraph:
"Similarly, national powers claim Istrian Slavs according to local language, so that speakers of Cakavian dialects are considered by the Croatian government to be Croatians and speakers of Kajkavian dialects are considered by the Slovenian government to be Slovenians. Many Istrian Slavs consider themselves simply to be Istrians, with no additional national affiliation. Others consider themselves to be patriotic members of the larger nations."
I see what the author was trying to say. However, the process of establishing ethnic identity, at least as described here, is largely a thing of the past in Istria. In other words, there is now a clear division between people who consider themselves Slovenians and those who consider themselves Croats (this division largely coincides with the international border). Even in the past, the ca/kaj divide wasn't an absolute determiner of ethnic identity, as is evidenced by some traditional "kaj" speakers in Istria who consider themselves Croats.
I also have a problem with the use of the term Kajkavian in this context: "...speakers of Kajkavian dialects are considered by the Slovenian government to be Slovenians." After all, Kajkavian is a term used to describe a dialect of the Croatian language, so it can never be used to describe Slovenians without indirectly impying that these people were actually Croats (or Croat-speakers) who became Slovenians later, which is clearly not the case. WorldWide Update 08:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
While of course the past cannot be ignored, I fell that we should speak more about the culture of the region as well. What do you think? --Paolopk2 10:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Being one of the lands claimed by Italy (irredentism), the Austro-Hungarian government stimulated the migration of additional Slavs into the region in order to reduce Istria's Italianism.
Well, Italian nationalists claimed that Austria favored the migration of Slavs, but AFAIK that argument regarded Trieste and not Istria. AFAIK under Austro-Hungary there was no major influx of Slavic population in Istria, maybe except for rapidly growing Pula, but still the majority of civil inhabitants of this city were Italians, so it is rather hard to argue that the Austrian authorities favored the migration of Slavs into the city and personally I think I have never heard this argument be raised. Boraczek 09:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
If Italians are speaking about Fojbe masacar, then its justly fair to speak about Fasistic crimes in Istria.The first use of Fojbes was done by the Fasist. To blaming Nazi for worsened the traditionally tolerant ethnic relations is not completly true.
Approximatly 70 000-130 000 Croatian-Slovenians emigrated because of the fasistic regime, for the ones that stayed the Croatian-Slovenian names were changed with Italian ones. The subsequent Italian occupatio, followed by Nazi occupation from 1943-1945. further worsened the traditionally tolerant ethnic relations. After the Italian surender in the 2WW the Partisan of Istria menage to free almost all of the Istria and in the city of Pazin declared that they are going to be reunited with theirs mother land Croatia.
Fasistic intolerance brought worsened ethnic relations, the Croatian language was forbiden, names were changed, and Approximatly 70 000-130 000 Croatian-Slovenians emigrated. Because of this Exodus or shell we say etnic clensing today in the city of Zagreb you have some Istrian strets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.152.206.58 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
The fact is, that Tito assisted mostly for the unfair division of Istria between Slovene and Croatia, why do you keep cutting this facts. This is important. I demand, that you justify your cutting!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.72.104.84 (talk) 11:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
One shold mention that Istria is formally first time in their history under Croatian jusrisdiction. This is evident from the book of croatian historian Stjepan Srkulj: Hrvatska povjest u devetnaest karata (1937). This is very important fact. Since the border line, as you mention, is not defined clearly, you can not cite explicitly the border length, therefore this sentence is been removed.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.72.104.84 (talk) 07:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Should I repeat to you some history facts?? Till 1918 Istria was part of Austro-Hungarian Empire. Croatia itself was in the time prior to 1918 under Hungarian leadership with limited Croatian authorities. The whole Istria including Reka, Cres and Lošinj was under Kranjska, which is Austrian part. After 1918, this part fall under Italian rule till 1945, although Pavelić's NDH wanted to incorporate whole Istria after the capitulation of italy in 1943 (Hitler did not allow him). After 1947 with Paris peace Treaty most of Istra except Svobodno Tržaško Ozemlje - STO (ang Free territory of Trieste)(North of Mirna river) was given to to that Tito's Jugoslavia in return for Slovenian teritory east of Soča river. This was called "remarkable sacrifice of Slovens". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.72.104.84 (talk) 12:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC) --193.2.15.1 (talk) 05:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)Whole Piran bay is still under Cadastre commune Piran including savudria. The other fact is, that Croatian side duplicated cadastre for the Savudria and with such maneuver wants to pre-define the border line betwen Slovenia and Croatia. I still see Tuđman's nationalizem in what you are doing!! Said! --212.72.104.82 (talk) 06:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC) "it become an international boundary" -instead of boundary you should use border- since boundary means edge, like boundary conditions in some physical problem.
--89.143.175.146 (talk) 19:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC) I ommited the citatation of precise border length, since it can not be theoretically known if the border is not defined precisely. That is clear to school children!!!
The croatian language is not the same as/with serbian language it was so during the yugoslavia. So mixing those 2 is a mistake... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.152.206.58 (talk • contribs) 10:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
How are the Croatian and Serbian langauges the "same", e.g. the word for a "thousand" tisuca/hiljada, "train" voz/vlak, names for the twelve months of the year, etc? Just because more than two languages are intelligible doesn't necessarily mean that they are the "same". If i use your logic, then other intelligible languages are also the same, e.g. Norwegian and Swedish are one and the "same" and are just considered to be "dialects". As for Istria gaining any futher autonomy within Croatia, i hate to tell you this but i doubt that Zagreb will devolve any further powers and responsibilities even under a "non-Nationalist" SDP. That was the main reason why the IDS quit the first post-HDZ coalition government due to how the then Prime Minister Ivica Racan "mistreated" the region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.169.75 (talk) 10:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
The difference between norvegian and swedish is much bigger than the one between 'croatian' and 'serbian'. Having a few words different between 2 dialects of a same language is a normal thing, and not all the regions in Croatia use the croatian names for the months. On the contrary, the months in Dalmatia and Slavonia are named by their ordinal number. The grammar is 98-99% the same, and vocabular fond is ~95% the same. That's not a case with norvegian and swedish, which share only 60-70% of the same vocabulary and 80% of the grammar. Those are the facts, you like it or not. Evertything different that that is just a senseless propaganda and lies. Cheers 24.86.110.10 (talk) 05:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
You can't tell that dialect from dalmatian island, istrian or kajkavian are parts of serbian language. that is completely bullshit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Braculj (talk • contribs) 01:34, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
There are no Serbs in Istria (except the many colonists that are no more). There's only one things: Peroj; a Serb village of immigrants from Montenegro that have been there for centuries (I think 17th century or so). --PaxEquilibrium 00:28, 27 October 2006 (UTC) they are not serbs, they are montenegrins from montenegro —Preceding unsigned comment added by Braculj (talk • contribs) 01:32, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous user with the IP 83.131.157.167 removed all references to the Slovenian part of Istria and all Slovenians. I reverted the changes, but I would urge all users to keep an eye out for such vandalism.WorldWide Update 19:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
This is English not Italian Wikipedia, and therefore usage of Italian names for every single town is Istria is completelly irrelevant in this article. Practice of alternate names that are used in Wikipedia show that such names are used FOR THE SUBJECT OF THE ARTICLE, not for every single name in it, i.e. since this is article about Istria, then Wikipedia should use Italian name for Istria, but Italian names of Istrian towns belong in the separate articles about those towns (and they are already there), not in the article about Istria. There is simply no reason to use Italian names for Istrian towns here, because: 1. This is not article about those towns, 2. There are separate articles about those towns where Italian names for them are already mentioned, 3. This is article about region in Croatia and Italian language is not official in Croatia, 4. This is English Wikipedia and English language usually use geographical names from the official language of the country, which in this case is Croatian language. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.200.111.206 (talk) 16:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC).
This is a simple request... Can someone create some kind of redirection, so that when one search for "Istra", is directed to this page? -- Martin 15:51, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
1) Do you realise that the text is written in a very emotional way, unfit for an encyclopedia?
2) Do you have a (RELIABLE) source for the population reduction of Pula (Pola), a census or something?
3) The section you keep renaming is on the period of Austrian rule. If you want a section only on the Venetian period, write it (coldly, objectively, without emotion and with RELIABLE sources like Britannica).
4) There is no need for a specific section on the Istrian exodus since there is an entire article about it.
DIREKTOR 20:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
This article is in desperate need of a map of Istria for the introduction. Not a map of Istria County, of course, but Istria in its entirety. --WorldWide Update 17:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
The reference links for the census data do not lead to this specific topic, they just lead to the website of the statistics departments of the involved countries. Please reference the data properly, PIO/Luigi_28, it is not sourced. If you do not have the sources the data will be removed. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 17:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
No, here's the problem: I suspect that the "Mother tongue Italian" category is your invention and I'm going to be crazy enough to ask you to exactly source where you got it from? Link it, please, the statistics websites are HUGE. If it is from some "exiles"/irredentist website you may be sure it will not stick. Best wishes from Dalmatia. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 18:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
What? Didn't you - a Croat - know that in your Country the census is done also for mother tongue?!?!?!? How old are you, my little friend? Are you just alive in 2001 (last census in Croatia)? Me, an Italian, are teaching to a real Croat his census!!! In-cre-di-ble!!!
So: listen to me.
If you speak such terrible English, what are you doing here bothering us? The Italian Wikipedia is thataway>>>>
AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 15:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Maybe none in Istria think that it should go back to Italy because tolerant, polite, welcoming istrian croats slaughtered, killed, and made life so impossible for italian that they were obliged to flee away wiping off their phisical presence...--151.100.9.229 (talk) 15:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
God, how could I forget dear LEO? If I remember correctly, he was the one who offered to come to Split so you could have some kind of a fight, wasn't he? Just the way all Wiki disputes should be resolved. :-) AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 21:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I've taken out this outrageous unsourced POV claim. Sure, definitely, the Yugos were such savages that not even the dead were safe from them and the poor fleeing refugees carried the corpses of their loved ones away on their backs with the savages in hot pursuit. Did they dig up the long-dead ones from the cemetaries as well, or just pick up the recently dead that they happened to have lying around at home? AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 14:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
If you want to write about forensics in Istria, feel free to create such article and move this pathetic talk about corpses there. All Europe was full of the corpses after WWII. This is about Istria. Isn't it a little bit unrealistic to force this emotional piece here and rasistic to distinguish the corpses by ethnicty? Italian occupation of Dalmatia and Istria didn't mean that Italians collected the flowers there. Zenanarh (talk) 19:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
While I don't mind you restoring old images (if you like them that much), I also do not take kindly to your removal of the new images. Please restore the images of Istria you removed without discussion.
Concerning the lead image, I believe you are forgetting that we're not talking about a political entity. It is a peninsula, a geographical region of Europe. It is not required that the lead image "must" cover its entirety. An image covering 90% of the geographical region is the best we can do apparently, and it is also the image that best shows the peninsula's relation to the Adriatic coast. Admittedly, it is a map of Istria County, but it is the best we can do (find a full geographic map and it gets the lead). Try not to see "anti-Slovenian POV" whenever someone attempts to improve the article by shuffling around the gallery and adding a lead image. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 15:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
It's entirely inappropriate to have a map of Croatia's Istria County in the lead of the paragraph about the whole of Istria. Precisely because Istria is not a political entity, there is absolutely no reason why it should be defined visually using a purely political map. And even though 90% of Istria lies in Croatia, the rest of the penninsula is not insignificant because of this. After all, Koper is one of Istria's biggest and most important towns (as well as its biggest port), and Piran is one of the Istria's more significant tourist destinations. Based on this map, however, these two places aren't even in Istria.
Because the map shows the whole of Croatia, the implication is that Istria (the whole of Istria) is just one of Croatian regions, but it's more than that. Having the article start out with this map is therefore highly misleading. (For the record, I have no problem with the map if it's placed further down in the article.)
Would anyone draw a map of the Iberian Pennisula and exclude Portugal?
--WorldWide Update (talk) 16:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Enter Alasdair with the solution :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 18:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Very nice. They show the beauty of Istria perfectly and include a nice sample from Croatia, Slovenia and Italy. I was pleasantly suprised to see the inclusion of Muggia as it's often forgotten considering it's the only significant Istrian town in Italy. Istria is magical and the sooner that Croatia joins the EU and Schengen the better and then it'll be so much easier to travel from one great town to another regardless of which country you are in.--217.203.156.61 (talk) 20:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
==A SMALL PART OF ISTRIA, MUGGIA, IS STILL IN ITALY, SO ISTRIA IS DIVIDED TODAY AMONG 3 STATES: CROATIA, ITALY AND SLOVENIA == --Deguef (talk) 12:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I have tried to neaten up the Geography section by making the alternative names of places and features clearer through the use of italics and parentheses. I still feel, however, that this section is generally untidy and could benefit from a total overall. I don't want to undertake this unilaterally, so am opening it up to discussion. Does any one else feel that this section would benefit from a format change? At present, it is basically a list - should the format reflect this? Leonvince (talk) 09:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I came across this in the article: The data for Slovenian Istria is not as neatly organized Now it's not obvious to me from the article itself how Croatian data is better organized, maybe someone simply doesn't like Slovene statistical office's website :) In either case this bit is redundant, but before I remove it maybe someone has a good reason to keep this. --Messlo (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
"There is also a suspected link (but no historical documentation is available) to the commune of Istria in Constanţa, Romania."
Who suspects this? Surely Istria, Romania, and ancient Histria, took their name from the nearby Ister (Danube) river.
I almost just deleted the line, but I'm not an expert.
BobShair (talk) 09:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
List the total area in square metres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.252.64.217 (talk) 20:51, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
As even an idiot (and I'm sure this site is full of them) could manage to realize, such sensible pages are being lobbied, on the English Wikipedia, by people like Direktor and Alisdair whathever the fuck, who represent their POV of ethnic Croatians and Slovenians, want to depict the Italians as genocidal maniac, and CONSTANTLY REVERT EDITS WHICH DO NOT FIT IN with their plan. This said (my regards), I don't see how the image of the massacred remnants of four Italian girls gang-raped and thrown in a foiba, in Istria, aren't "COMPATIBLE" with the article, but the sign of the forced Italianization is. Again, congratulations. Ah, also: scroll back this talk page. See how such individuals relate to whoever try to oppose them. They provoke and insult, then the non-registred contributor (of course) attacks them, and they ban them end rollback their edits. This is a serious problem. How come no one addresses it?
The Encyclopaedia Britannica defines Istria as being part of Croatia and Slovenia, excluding Italy [31]. Where exactly does this peninsula end towards the northeast? -- Director (talk) 14:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Nevermind, Muggia and other communes are indeed part of Italy and they are considered also part of Istria. Barjimoa (talk) 12:41, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Just to be clear, we all agree to a geographic definition of the peninsula using the northern red line boundary on both gulfs on the map to the side ( thus, including a tiny slice of modern Italy, but not the city of triest itself). I feel there isn't a lot of room for confusion on the east side, but could see arguments for either on the west. We should probably make that clear in the article. From what I can tell, the northmost end point of the line looks like it was the sea boarder between Venitian Istria and the Austrian free city of Triest for several hundred years - they often fought over who would keep the province, but not its extent.74.83.121.73 (talk) 09:56, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
While I'm sure whatever happened to the random dead people pictured in the inset was tragic, exactly what is the point of this picture and how does it relate to the article? I suspect a lot of people have died in Istria at one time or another, so the fact that there were dead people there at some point doesn't seem particularly noteworthy or encyclopedic. I get that this is probably the remnant of some edit war of the "your ethnic group's atrocities were worse than my ethnic group's atrocities" type but this isn't the place for it. Tarchon (talk) 02:13, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
I have added a source to a fact that was simply labelled "citation needed". Hopefully that provides a better understanding of the information. Ashleybent (talk) 20:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
According to this article: Italians were the one who started ethnic persecutions in those lands, the only one to use violence against minorities and practice discrimination based on race. This is a blatant falsification of historical reality. Austrians and slavic nationalists persecuted italians well before 1919.
It is stated: ".....Istria's political and economic importance declined under Italian rule, and after the fascist takeover of Italy in 1922, the Italian government began a campaign of forced Italianization. In 1926, use of Slavic languages was banned, to the extent that Slavic family names were ordered to be changed to suit the fascist authorities..."
What about the policy of de-italianization carried out by the Austrians,then?
During the Council of Austrians Ministers, on November 12, 1866 “His Majesty -Franz Joseph- has expressed the precise order that we decisively oppose the influence of the Italian element still present in some Crown lands, and to aim unsparingly and without the slightest compunction at the Germanization or Slavicization – depending on the circumstances – of the areas in question, through a suitable entrustment of posts to political magistrates and teachers, as well as through the influence of the press in South Tyrol, Dalmatia, and the Adriatic Coast.” This was 60 years before 1926.
What about this?
"...the present race animosity between Croat and Italian is deplorable. The Croats, [today] being in the majority, are using their power to oppress the Italian-speaking portion of the population. The schools are now all Croat, and the Italians have no means of instruction for their children in their own language except at Zara. At Spalato the race feeling is especially bitter... The Italian theatre was burnt down some years ago...” —Frederick Hamilton Jackson, The Shores of the Adriatic, the Austrian Side, 1908
So the editorial policy is: it is possible to mention everything about the italianization of Istria by the fascists but nothing about the violence carried out by the austrians and the slavic nationalists against the italians before 1919? Stop reversing my passage about the emperor orders to impose the germanization and slavicization of Istria and Dalmatia. Magnagr (talk) 04:05, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
1) There was not a "squadristi group" in Dignano.
2) Nearly all the population of Dignano was Italian so there was no necessity to implement such a order.
3) Signing a manifesto with the term "squadristi" would have been silly. It is like a german manifesto in WWII giving orders to the population and signed as: "The Nazis". A manifesto was usually signed by some specific authority. "We Squadrists will enforce this order with persuasive methods" is also an awkward and very unconventional way to express the order. It is evident that who created this fake document wanted to emphatize the Italian/fascist oppression towards the slavic population. No official italian/fascist authority would have ever written a manifesto in that way.
I am not saying that during fascism there was no oppression of slavic people but the picture of that document in the Istria article should be removed because blatantly false. Moreover, the vast majority of the people reading the english version of the Istria article don't know italian and so cannot understand the content of the manifesto. Furthermore, the article does not mention at all the anti-italian policies carried out by the austro/slavic 60 years before the fascist took the power in Italy. A picture testifying the persecution of slavic people by the italians should be balanced by another picture showing the austro/slavic oppression against the Italian in the XIX century, otherwise this article is skewed toward only one historical perspective. --Magnagr (talk) 03:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
I realize this is a difficult subject, so I am bring it up with all of you first. (This is all from memory, and assumes suitable sources can be found) That the Austrian policy was largely proItalian in the first half of the period and changing to anti after the loss of Venice and growing fear of The Kingdom of Italy. Is this the sort of thing we want to include.74.83.121.73 (talk) 10:56, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Much is the article is unsourced or poorly sourced. Some sections have been tagged since 2015. This material should be sourced or it should be removed. I am tagging the entire article. 74.67.45.185 (talk) 05:03, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
The village of Santa Croce/Križ is not the most northern part of Istria, it is located in the Karst/Kras/Carso region. The settlement lying farthest to the north is Aquilinia/Žavlje, in the Muggia/Milje municipality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.215.195.17 (talk) 07:29, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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hi I search in the web and Koper is in Slovenia not in Croatia maybe im wrong I don't know ... 2A01:E0A:B6A:E180:7DBC:6AB7:E564:29B3 (talk) 15:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)