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Pre-FAC review for Missouri War stuff[edit]

Some thoughts on that portion of the article ahead of a potential FAC:

I unfortunately only have the McCandless source on me right now, and it's a general history of the state during the statehood to brink of the Civil War period. If there's any further research needed, I can manage to get ahold of a copy of LeSueur's work on the conflict. Hog Farm Talk 03:04, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have access to a handful of publications that treat the events in Missouri, including some of the referenced titles, and some time this month. I'll see what I can do to confirm, clarify, or straighten out.
As for Smith being arrested, is that not the jailing at Liberty? It's mentioned in the article as Smith and five others, including Rigdon, were charged with treason, and transferred to the jail at Liberty, Missouri, to await trial.
I plan to for now consult some or a combination of:
  • Adam Jortner, No Place for Saints: Mobs and Mormons in Jacksonian America (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2022) (a history of the expulsion from Jackson County)
  • Richard Bushman, Rough Stone Rolling: Joseph Smith (Alfred A. Knopf, 2005) (referenced on the page)
  • Marvin S. Hill, Quest for Refuge: The Mormon Flight from American Pluralism (Signature Books, 1989) (referenced on the page)
P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 21:37, 29 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@P-Makoto:, were you ever able to look into this? Mostly I'm concerned about the possible chronology issues about Zion's Camp that Hog Farm references. Trevdna (talk) 14:12, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Hog Farm: circling back to this one after a while. It appears you're correct on the chronology of the petitions happening before Big Blue and Zion's Camp. I've updated the article. As far as the rest of these items, I think they are all either addressed already (for instance, the Mormon Extermination Order is referenced and linked to, albeit briefly, under the "Life In Missouri" section) or - I would argue - are beyond the scope of this summary article. We're already struggling to keep its length down. For instance, the part about Smith being arrested but released on bail, proved to be relatively minor in the long run. I've already slimmed up the Missouri section (for overall article length) and I think Smith's arrest would be a little much. (Note: I'm under the assumption that the incident you're referring to is a separate incident from the eventual imprisonment at Liberty Jail. If the two incidents are one, then the answer is much simpler, in that the arrest is indeed covered in the article.) Likewise on the "direct appeal" you were talking about: I'd say it's probably not worth mentioning. If you'd like either of them included, we can look at putting it in the subarticle, fair enough? Trevdna (talk) 20:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree that given the length considerations the ommissions are appropriate. If you do want me to look back into the arrest issue at some point in the future, I can. I'll try to look over the chronology thing sometime but I've become very busy and can make no promises about when I can look at that. Hog Farm Talk 23:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For me, it’s fine where it stands, and I’m cautiously optimistic about its chances at FAC. So unless you see anything else that’s outstanding, I think we’re fine here.
Thanks for your time and efforts in reviewing, and for all you do generally. Trevdna (talk) 19:58, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Subarticles[edit]

Hi, @Trevdna. Noticing your good work and have a moment. Hope it's alright to say something about first: the deletion of the "Life of Joseph Smith" page; and second: the "Legacy" and "Teachings" pages.

First: You'll almost surely notice this yourself since you probably had the page on your watchlist, but the "Life of Joseph Smith" article was deleted. Is there content there that you think should be un-trimmed? Or how else could it be put to use?

Second: I think the "Legacy of Joseph Smith" page makes a lot of sense. I wonder about the title (alternatively, "Reception of Joseph Smith"? "Perceptions of Joseph Smith"? "Joseph Smith in memory"?), but I think the subject makes sense as something that can stand as an article, given scholarship available on the topic.

Moving content to the "Teachings" page is another move that makes sense, now that I see you do it. When sub-articles were first proposed, I over-thought in thinking they'd be broken down per topic. Now that I'm looking, I realize there's a genre of Wikipedia pages for "teachings of X" that cover various subjects, so this makes sense.

To say it all more briefly: at first impression, I'm supportive of the recent efforts and hope to contribute in ways that are helpful. P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 21:17, 29 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think that everything in a Life of Joseph Smith page can be covered on a combination of Early life of Joseph Smith and History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If Legacy of Joseph Smith isn't ideal what do you think of Reception and legacy of Joseph Smith? It matches what we do with other historical figures of great impact, for example Reception and legacy of Muammar Gaddafi. There also seems to be room for a Personal life of Joseph Smith page for centralized coverage of his immediate family. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think I'd rather wait to hear from Trevdna.
I will point out that there are other "Life of X" pages out there, so it's not unprecedented: Life of William Shakespeare, Life of Jesus. P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 23:09, 5 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wow, how did I miss this one? Sorry for the delay in repsonding.
I have no problem with changing to a Reception and legacy of Joseph Smith article. Most of my WP:BOLD edits are not meant to be taken as gospel, but usually as a starting point for further improvement and refinement. If that's more in line with established Wikipedia norms, my vote is for it. My biggest focus is (I'm sure you're shocked to hear) getting this article ready for FAC and so my vote on this one is definitely "either way." Thanks all. Trevdna (talk) 23:24, 25 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

LDS Church[edit]

In the open the wording is, “ Several religious denominations identify as the continuation of the church that he organized, including the LDS Church and the Community of Christ.” 

I am not aware of any organization officially identifying as LDS Church. I know many Latter-day Saints who are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but if you are identifying official names then the official name is shown incorrectly.

For brevity I could see’The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS)’ after first use. Or short form ‘the Church’. But first use should show official name. Also, it may sound awkward, but it makes sense to me to remove ‘the’ before Community of Christ to avoid confusion around its official name. 2001:56A:F73F:4500:7D48:3302:EEE9:780D (talk) 03:30, 15 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The wording identified is at the end of the 4th paragraph in the lede....the full name and then establishment of the short name for the LDS Church is already done in the opening paragraph of the article. ChristensenMJ (talk) 03:37, 15 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Church of Christ[edit]

Under the section titled, "Joseph Smith Jr.", 2nd paragraph, is this sentence, "The same year he organized the Church of Christ, calling it a restoration of the early Christian Church."

Suggestion: add a sentence clarifying that the church name was subsequently changed to the current title, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-daySaints",  based on this recorded statement in April 26, 1838

"For thus shall my church be called in the last days, even The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", Doctrine and Covenants 115:4

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/115?id=p4&lang=eng#p4

The name of the church was reitterated by the current president of the church:

"The Correct Name of the Church"

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2018/10/the-correct-name-of-the-church?lang=eng

The emphasis on the correct name has eclipsed "Mormon church" or other popular references.

Suggestion: tie hyperlinks to the name of the church to that churches official website, which offers comprehensive historical records

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/books-and-lessons/church-history?lang=eng Sdoud (talk) 01:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' name, and the various names of the church organization Smith founded, are explained on the page (permanent link to current version):
  • The religion he founded is followed to the present day by millions of global adherents and several churches, the largest of which is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
  • In Missouri, the church also took the name "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints"
The phrase "Mormon Church" never appears on the page. For the recorded consensus on forms like "LDS Church", see MOS:LDS, a link to Wikipedia's Manual of Style. It looks like last time the use of the phrase "LDS Church" was discussed, a preponderance of editors came out in favor of using "LDS Church" as the preferred shorthand for pages in mainspace, and the discussion closed with that as consensus. P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 02:13, 6 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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