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I removed the fragment "most of currents of trotskyism or bolshevik-leninism" from the passage on currents in Lib Marxism, since their inclusion contradicts the opening paragraph, "emphasizes the ability of the working class to forge its own destiny without the need for a revolutionary party or state to mediate or aid its liberation." A revolutionary party and state being some of the fundamental characteristics of Trotskyism/Leninism. 59.101.192.54 12:59, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Thee are no real references to this other than to Chris Wright's 'map' which just claims people as libertarian marxist. Is there anything that supports such a loose definition of libertarianism - being 'opposed' to the state? Most liberatrians are in favour of some sort of state and, for example, most of these Marxists were supporters of the 1917 revolution in Russia whuch clearly extablished a state. --Duncan (talk) 19:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Libertarian Marxism's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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I came this page to learn about Libertarian Marxism after hearing Yanis Varoufakis claim this is his intelectual position. Given his importance I thought it might be worth adding the page but I am a fish out of water in these fields of economic philosophy so thought I'd leave it to others to jusdge if and where to add it. He probably makes the claim in several places but I heard it 3minutes into this radio interview: http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/01/29/talking-to-phillip-adams-on-the-abcs-lnl/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ausrussell (talk • contribs) 18:11, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
the primary source [1] appears to be a knockoff of the better known [2] or even [3] blogs. the articles are pdf blog posts by writers of little prominence. perhaps we could find a better source, and until then i will add a tag to the cite. the author of this blog post Wayne Price does not appear to be "scholarly" or "peer-reviewed" Darkstar1st (talk) 21:38, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
does anyone here know what chapter or page supports this citation? Darkstar1st (talk) 22:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
This is one of the most bloated Original Essays that I've ever seen on Wikipedia. Speaking of "Maxism-Leninism" (a post-1924 term) as an ideology opposed by early Left Communism is a particular howler. Rather than attacking this essay with a machete, it's probably best just letting it choke itself with layers and layers of unreadable prose... Not Wikipedia's finest hour, by any stretch... Carrite (talk) 16:20, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Listing highly centralized and authoritarian DeLeonism as a form of "Libertarian Marxism" is another massive inanity. Carrite (talk) 16:22, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
This article needs to point out that in the US, "liberal" means leftist while elsewhere, "liberal" means libertarian in the US. And in the US, "libertarian" means "classic liberal", that is Mises, Menger, and Smith, while elsewhere "libertarian" means "leftist".
As this article currently stands, it can only serve to confuse people. RussNelson (talk) 13:40, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
10 years onwards, this wikipedia page doesn't - as far as I can tell - cite a single source that even mentions the term "libertarian Marxism"! On Google Scholar I cannot find any account of this alleged family of political thought. This page should be deleted ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crashprop (talk • contribs) 16:59, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Overview of sources used (in order):
"Non-Leninist Marxism", cited in the introduction, does not mention libertarian even once.
Screpanti's book does mention libertarian communism in connection to Marxism, but does not mention libertarian Marxism once.
Hal Draper discusses self-emancipation, which is far from synonymous with libertarian Marxism.
Chomsky's text discusses libertarian strands of thought in socialism, and uses left-wing Marxism to describe what this wikipedia calls libertarian Marxism. He does not use the term libertarian Marxism.
Libcom's libertarian Marxism tendency map is a blogpost, not a scholarly text. Furthermore, it mentions Lenin and Bordiga, who are the farthest from "libertarian".
Varoufakis is one of two (reputable) sources that mentions libertarian Marxism.
Chamsy Ojeili's essay does not mention libertarian Marxism once.
Chomsky's note on anarchism talks of left-wing Marxism (i.e. Left-wing communism), not libertarian Marxism.
I could go on and on and on, but the only sources on this page that I've seen mention "libertarian Marxism" are Varoufakis (in passing!) and Danuel Guerin.
Since there's essentially no one defending the existence of this page or sections, I think it is fair to begin deleting the most obvious original research until someone comes out of the woodworks defending why this page should remain as it is. The entire talk page gives reasons why the page should not exist (at least not in its current form) but no one's arguing why it should. - Chrashprop, 18 05 2021
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Following the above discussion with @Crashprop, @PerpetuityGrat and @North8000, I've decided it prudent to redirect this article to a subsection of the article on libertarian socialism, which itself has now been substantially reduced and rewritten in order to excise copious original research.
Through looking into this, I've only found two sources on the subject that are both substantial, clearly about the subject and reliable. These being Löwy and Besancenot (2018) and Price (2004). Together, they provide very little to go off and present a lot of red flags when making an article specifically about "Libertarian Marxism". From the introduction to Löwy and Besancenot (emphasis mine):
What is a Libertarian Marxism? It is an enlargement of Marxism, a broadening of its horizon, to incorporate those ideas and practices largely attributed to Anarchists. But giving it an absolute definition would be a mistake. For us, Libertarian Marxism is not a doctrine, not a finished body of theory; rather, it resembles more closely an affinity between certain political and intellectual initiatives which share the common will to ‘get rid’, through revolutionary means, of the dictatorship of Capital and to build a harmonious society, equal and free from the authoritarian shackles of the State. In fact, one single kind of Libertarian Marxism does not exist, but rather it consists of a wide variation of attempts, more or less successful, at building bridges between the two largest revolutionary traditions: Marxism and Anarchism. [...]
As Price's article was written before this Wikipedia article and the Libcom.org blog post that it was clearly based on heavily, it provides the best insight into what "Libertarian Marxism" has been considered historically. Here, Price uses it synonymously with "Autonomist Marxism" and identifies a number of historical tendencies from left communism that he found displayed libertarian characteristics.
I thought there might have been something in Ernesto Screpanti's Libertarian Communism: Marx, Engels and the Political Economy of Freedom, but it never uses the term "Libertarian Marxism", instead exclusively using the term "Libertarian Communism".
If anyone has any issues with this action, please bring it up here, ideally with reference to verifiable and reliable sources. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:28, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Sounds like a good move. But if there is suitable material that can be retained IMO it would be good to do that. Even coverage that says that "Libertarian Marxism" is a term that is sometimes used but has no distinct meaning would be useful coverage of the term. North8000 (talk) 19:33, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Sorry to come to this late. I can't see a link to a deletion discussion, but I would strongly argue for returning to this version but tagging everything that needs citations. Why weren't those tags added earlier if people thought there was a problem? Yes, there's a bunch of unsourced stuff, but there is also loads of useful material, academic references, good further reading, etc, that could form the basis of a strong encyclopedia article. BobFromBrockley (talk) 10:39, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
We should make sure that coverage of the term is retained in Wikipedia, even if it's just a few sentences in another article. Again, even coverage that says that "Libertarian Marxism" is a term that is sometimes used but has no distinct meaning would be useful coverage of the term. North8000 (talk) 18:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)