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The whole article is based on a fake fact. Macedonia or to correct it Makedonia (in ancient Hellas the letter k was written with a line and a conjoint curve like the letter c in the latin alphabet) existed there long before the Skopjens went there. TO correct what I say the Slavs ethnic group came there about 2500 years ago when the real Makedonians lived there long ago about 4000 years ago. The Real Makedonians had emigrated southwards in the land that stand as north Hellas today about 3000 years ago. They left behind buildings and many ancient artifacts that belong to them but could not be carried away (such as tombs with ancent greek writing etc.). Today's Slavs alphabet was created by 2 men Cyril and Methodius which they tried to civilize and evangelize the slavian people. Today's Skopjen people are descendants of the slavian people that came to that land. So they can not be descendants of the Ancient Makedonians because of that historic truth. Skopjen people cannot be named as Macedonians ethnic Group. It is not true at all. It is a fake fact that some people created and the Skopjen people accepted as true.
If someone believes that I am wrong, then as my people in Hellas say: "let him eat vinegar.". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.176.107.83 (talk) 12:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Look at the map. Enlarge it. Greek Macedonia is the only country where the Republic of Macedonia spills over. In fact, the colour of Greece indicates, according to the chart, the number of Slav or ethnic Macedonians in Greece. That is the case with all countries; the colour reflects the number. So the map is incorrect. I suggest you correct the map, i.e. to make Greece the same colour in line with the other countries. Politis (talk) 17:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
This statement: "Certain of these cultural aspects developed within Macedonia itself.[38]" is based on this source: Fine (1991, pp. 113, 196) Two brothers ... Constantine and Methodius ..were fluent in the dialect of Slavic in the environs of Thessaloniki. They devised an alphabet to convey Slavic phonetics | He [Samuel] restored the Bulgarian Orthodox patriarchate.. in Ohrid. The sentence contains information which is particularly difficult to verify with this source. Macedonian (talk) 16:35, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Excuse me Volk, but this is a nonsense. We talk about RoM. Thessaloniki never was on its territory and the holy brothers seems never visited it. Jingiby (talk) 11:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
People who have identified themselves exclusively and only as Bulgarians in ethnic sense have not place here. Dame Gruev, Petar Poparsov and Gotse Delchev are described in the corresponding articles as Bulgarians and must be removed from this template. The fact they were proclaimed years after their deaths as Macedonians in Communist Yugoslavia make them not such.Throughout the Middle Ages and until the early 20th century, there was no clear formulation or expression of a distinct Macedonian ethnicity. The Slavic speaking majority in the Region of Macedonia had been referred to (both, by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians, and that is how they were predominantly seen since 10th,[1][2][3] up until the early 20th century.[4] It is generally acknowledged that the ethnic Macedonian identity emerged in the late 19th century or even later.[5][6][7][8][9][10] However, the existence of a discernible Macedonian national consciousness prior to the 1940s is disputed.[11][12][13][14][15] Anti-Serban and pro-Bulgarian feelings among the local population at this period prevailed.[16][17] According to some researchers, by the end of the war a tangible Macedonian national consciousness did not exist and bulgarophile sentiments still dominated in the area, but others consider that it hardly existed.[18] After 1944 Communist Bulgaria and Communist Yugoslavia began a policy of making Macedonia into the connecting link for the establishment of new Balkan Federative Republic and stimulating here a development of distinct Slav Macedonian consciousness.[19] With the proclamation of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia as part of the Yugoslav federation, the new authorities also started measures that would overcome the pro-Bulgarian feeling among parts of its population.[20] In 1969 also the first History of the Macedonian nation was published. The past was systematycally falsified to conceal the truth, that most of the well-known Macedonians had felt themselves to be Bulgarians and generations of students were tought the pseudo-history of the Macedonian nation.[21] Jingiby (talk) 10:05, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
He claims he's an expert but he contradicts his own alleged facts.
In one place he says this...
"Extreme Macedonian nationalists, who are concerned with demonstrating the continuity between ancient and modern Macedonians, deny that they are Slavs and claim to be the direct descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians. The more moderate Macedonian position, generally adopted by better educated Macedonians and publicly endorsed by Kiro Gligorov, the first president of the newly independent Republic of Macedonia, is that modern Macedonians have no relation to Alexander the Great, but are a Slavic people whose ancestors arrived in Macedonia in the sixth century AD" www.gate.net/~mango/Danforth_National_Conflict.htm
In another he says this?
Loring Danforth states similarly, the ancient heritage of modern Balkan countries is not “the mutually exclusive property of one specific nation” but “the shared inheritance of all Balkan peoples”. - Ancient Macedonia: National Symbols. L Danforth in A Companion to Ancient Macedonia. Wiley –Blackwell 2010. Pg 597-8
Would the real Loring Danforth please stand up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.195.85.34 (talk) 20:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't get it how Wikipedia did rewarded the Slav Macedonian language version of this article as a FEATURED ARTICLE (with a yellow star), while it has its neutrality disputed and needs cleanup. There is some wrong info in this article, like that Alexander the Great (an Ancient Macedonian) was an Ethnic (Slav) Macedonian, while he wasn't, as everyone knows that Alexander the Great had nothing to do with the Ethnic (Slav) Macedonians. Can someone look at the article and clean it up? Propaganda is unacceptable in all its forms and classifying the Slav Macedonian-language version of the article "Macedonians (Ethnic Group)" as a Featured Star Article when its neutrality is disputed, sends wrong messages to the readers of the Wikipedia. I already posted my notes on the talk page of this article but there are no responses yet. --85.75.182.146 (talk) 02:21, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Markovski's story is one of irony. He initially wrote in Macedonian, identified himself as an ethnic Macedonian and was a staunch Macedonian nationalist, and actively participated in the language commissions of the 1940s. After he was imprisoned a number of times because of his political agitations, he went on to renounce everything that came to define his life and career. Markovski is a disgruntled defector who turned to historical revisionism in an attempt to justify his defection. Markovski was an unreliable political figure and was also widely ridiculed in the-then Socialist Macedonia, but was hailed a national treasure in Bulgaria where he also made it big. So it's no surprise he did what he did. The funniest thing is that if the Macedonians are the "result of a Comintern conspiracy", then Markovski himself is also the "result of a Comintern conspiracy". --101.112.183.106 (talk) 02:37, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
According to the Macedonian historian Academician Ivan Katardjiev, Macedonian political activists, who came from IMRO (United) and the Bulgarian Communist Party never managed to get rid of their pro-Bulgarian bias and on many issues opposed the pro-Yugoslav leaders, who held most of the political power. Pavel Shatev and Panko Brashnarov send a petition to the Bulgarian legation in Belgrade protesting the policies of the Yugoslav leadership and were imprisoned. In 1948 on a meeting of the Central committee of the Macedonaian Communist Party Dimitar Vlachov claimed , the decision by the IMRO (United) from 1932 on the formation of Macedonian ethnos was a political mistake. He was gradually pushed out of his political positions from the pro-Yugoslav circle around Lazar Kolishevski. Markovski, who in 1945 participated in the Commission for the Creation of the Macedonian Alphabet, himself stated prior to his death, that ethnic Macedonians and the Macedonian language were a result of Comintern policy. Metodi Shatarov avoided organising mass armed resistance against the Bulgarian authorities in Vardar Banovina, and there are indications that he was killed by Josip Broz Tito's agents in 1944. Shatorov's supporters were at the same time eliminated by the YCP, and heavily repressed for their anti-Yugoslav and pro-Bulgarian political positions. According to Katardjiev, they all practically felt themselves as Bulgarians untill end of life. You do not have a sufficient knowledge of the subject. Jingiby (talk) 05:32, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Macedonia is a region of Greece, Slavic peoples and the Slavic language have absolutely no connection to the name Macedonia or the land/heritage of Macedonia.
So why does this exist ?
--Savakk (talk) 00:42, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Can the wording please be improved and wikified. Kutmichevitsa was an administrative region, not a geographical region per se. Also, it's unclear how exactly the people came to be 'incorporated'. Should this not be structured as: Sclaveni of Macedonia (region) → Bulgarian Empire after Macedonia (region) → Kutmichevitsa? --101.112.173.210 (talk) 23:52, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I would like to propose that Macedonians also live in Bulgaria and that there should be put a map where areas they live and they are concentrated at least by the census data from 1948,1953,1965,!! And also it should be puted a map for the areas where the ,,Slavic speakers of Northern Greece are living at least by the results from the Boechoten and other files in Wiki:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Greece_linguistic_minorities.svg «»File:Greece linguistic minorities.png«»--DraganKitanoski 22:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)» — Preceding unsigned comment added by DraganKitanoski (talk • contribs)
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add among chapter Macedonians in History picture of current President such as Image:Igorjanev.JPG 178.222.53.126 (talk) 07:35, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
I have added clarifications on this matter and also some academic sources that clearly explain the development of this issue as follows: During the Middle Ages, the designation Macedonian was used only in a geographical aspect and Macedonia's location had been forgotten and designated in areas mostly outside the ancient Macedonian kingdom. The term even vanished completely after the Ottoman conquest in 14th century, but began circulating on the Balkans in Western-influenced cultural contexts since the late 16th century again. However the idea of Macedonian identity arose outside the region of Macedonia during the 17th century, as such desination was applied at that time to some Balkan settlers in Hungary and Russia, involving the local Slavic population in Macedonia hardly in the second half of the 19th century.
"After the final Ottoman conquest of the Balkans by the Ottomans in 15th century, all Orthodox Christians were included in a specific ethno-religious community under Graeco-Byzantine jurisdiction called Rum Millet. The belonging to this religious commonwealth was so important that most of the common people began to identify themselves as Christians.[75] However ethnonyms never disappeared and some form of primary ethnic identity was available.[76] This is confirmed from a Sultan's Firman from 1680 which describes the ethnic groups in the Balkan territories of the Empire as follows: Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, Vlachs and Bulgarians.[77"
To sum up, your arguements ar tangential and one-sided. You have quoted ad nauseum about the theme of macedonia being centred on Adrianople. im sure we're all aware of that, so you have blistered your fingers for nothing. yet you seem to be sticking you head in the sand about the nevertheless continued existence of a concept of a regional macedonia, no matter how vague or varied (there were no fixed "borders' back then). Theophanes the Confessor described Macedonian Sklavinia(18.4.4.5; pertaining to late 8th century) which were the free tribes outside Byzantine control; and you have modern (secondary sources) which also use the term in a regional sense to describe events pertaining to the borader region. Eg [4][5] - Eg Curta talks of "another Byzantine raid into Macedonia in 991. .. with a shift in centre of Power.. to Prespa (pg 242); whilst the Companion states the "bishop of Stobi, the capital City of Macedonia Secunda" (pg 559). When referring to the theme they specify clearly eg "Bulgarian troops raided the theme of Macedonia"(Curta pg 227). Notwithstanding your obvious confusion: we have clear and decisive opinion of a specialist: "Most references to Macedonians in Byzantine texts are in (both) a geographical or administrative and not an ethnic sense".[6]. So it was used both in the strict, thematic sense, as well as a broader , regional sense. There is nothing left to discuss. Slovenski Volk (talk) 23:01, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Shea (2008), pp. 55–60 might also be helpful for you two in this discussion. --220.253.199.38 (talk) 07:13, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Shea never can provide his original sources. More, they are nonexisting. Shea is recognised by other researcher as biased author and that fact is undisputable. The Routledge History of the Holocaust, Jonathan C. Friedman, Taylor & Francis, 2010, ISBN 0203837444, p. 273. ...a pro-Macedonian account is John Shea, Macedonia and Greece the struggle... Jingiby (talk) 11:47, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
What a load of crap. The 'Macedones' stopped 'existing' shortly after Rome conquered Macedonia and Greece, and became "Romans". So fail # 1 of your supposedly 'good source'. Fail # 2 - there is no evidence that this population then moved to Thrace (neither historical nor archaeological); but there is clear evidence for continuity of some population in northern Albania, northwestern Macedonia (Ohrid-Prespa region) and much of the territories along the Via Egnatia from the 4th century to the 9th ! Moreover, you are quick to criticize other sources, yet you yourself produce questionable quality, clearly biased, and uninformed works by bulgarian and greek scholars whose work is not worth the paper its printed on. Nevertheless, I have modified the sentence to highlight that reference to Macedonians often referred to inhabitants of the theme. Now, given the clear primary and secondary sources referring to Macedonians outside the theme, I believe we should close this overly long discussion. Slovenski Volk (talk) 22:50, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::I think that was an ecclesiastical organization ? Slovenski Volk (talk) 09:00, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Why..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.109.73 (talk) 12:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the end of the following strange sentence: During the formative Middle Ages, references to "Macedonians" were varied, from geographical and administrative sense", to a more specific ethnic one - the 9th century historian Theophanes the Confessor categorized the numerous Slavic tribes in former Roman Macedonia as a 'Macedonian Sklavinia'. This is unbelivable! It implies Slav Macedonian ethnic identity during the early Middle ages. However all reliable sources confirm this process began 1,000 years later. Also Ohrid was located in Kutmichevitsa, Bulgarian province and even became later the capital of Bulgaria. It was described in the article as a Macedonian city outside Bulgarian borders. Macedonia then was simply a Byzantine province in Thrace. Ostrogorski was a biased Yugoslav scholar, and is out of date. Do not interprete primary sources as Theophanes the Confessor. There is any academic publication interpreting Macedonian Sclavinias as ethnic Macedonian ones, but they describe them as a regional Slavic tribal unions with Avars or Bulgars. Discuss at first your original ideas and gain consensus after supporting your exotic views with lot of contemporary reliable secondary and tertiary sources. Do not delete tertiary and secondary sources from the article, describing all as POV etc. This is vandalism.
Do not forget: "The Early Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Sixth to the Late Twelfth Century," John Van Antwerp Fine, University of Michigan Press, 1991, ISBN 0472081497, pp. 36-37. The first of these two groups was the Bulgaro-Macedonians... They were conquered in the late seventh century by the Turkic Bulgars. The Slavs eventually assimilated them, but the Bulgars’ name survived. It denoted this Bulgaro-Macedonian Slavic group from the 9th century through the rest of medieval into modern times... Thus the reader should ignore references to ethnic Macedonians in the Middle ages which appear in some modern works...Nevertheless, the absence of a national consciousness in the past is no grounds to reject the Macedonians as a nationality today. Thank you.Jingiby (talk) 19:54, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
I am more than inclined here to agree with user Jingiby. The article on the ethnic Macedonians has been passed as adequate and accurate by many past editors. Meanwhile, user Slovenski Volk is providing many POV arguments, there is nothing wrong with that but Wikipedia is not the place for them. On a different, user Slovenski Volk has repeatedly used unacceptable language that is ad hominem. I suggest we drop the matter. Politis (talk) 20:13, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
I like that Makedonci!! I will call you Makedonci from now onIdaeananvil (talk) 20:51, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
I quoted from The Chronicles of Theophanes as provided in the reference of the article. [[8]] Politis (talk) 19:24, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
“Anthropologically, Macedonians possess genetic lineages postulated to represent Balkan prehistoric and historic demographic processes .Such lineages are also typically found in other South Slavs, especially Bulgarians, Serbs, Bosnians, Montenegrins, but also to the northern Greeks and Romanians.”
It is completely unschientific, to support the existence of a nation on genetic lineages. (This reminds us some Nazi methods). All the people in Balcan may have some common genetic data, but it doesn’t prove anything. Why the northern Greeks are distinguished from the rest of the Greeks? It can’t be proved that the Ancient Macedonians were not Greeks, and it can’t be proved that the modern Greeks are descendants of the ancient Greeks. I think that this paragraph must be deleted as unschientific.Jestmoon(talk) 13:12, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Tn the times of Ottoman invasion in the geographic region Macedonia in the late 14 century, they inslave a lot of local christian population. That were sold in the Crete island on the venetians. The venetian notary wrighted in there paper for the deal there names, place of origin and ethnic belongs. Majority of that slaves from macedonia in late 14 century selfidentificated as bulgarians, they were and some greeks, vlahs and albanians.
h t t p ://promacedonia.org/mp/mp_7_2_1.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.43.239.203 (talk) 14:03, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
The leading section was changed 20 days ago here. That version was stable and sourced, but the source was deleted too. It read as follows: The Macedonians (Macedonian: Македонци; transliterated: Makedonci) – also referred to as Slav Macedonians or Macedonian Slavs[35] – are a South Slavic ethnic group who are primarily associated with the Republic of Macedonia. They speak the Macedonian language, a South Slavic language. About two thirds of all ethnic Macedonians live in the Republic of Macedonia and there are also communities in a number of other countries. Now it suggests that all Slavic speakers into the region are Ethnic Macedonians, but they aren't a Slavic people, only speak Slavic language etc. That version implies a kind of Slavic Macedonian nationalism, i.e. the Macedonian Slavs are not a Slavs, they inhabit the whole area, not only the Republic's one, etc. This new version of the leading paragraph is biased, and the stable version was more neutral and plausible. 78.159.147.70 (talk) 06:24, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Since the page is protected and i cannot edit it, i respectfully ask for the addition (preferably after the "Following the collapse of Yugoslavia, the issue of Macedonian identity has again emerged." sentence) of the sentence:
Kiro Gligorov, the first democratically elected president of the newly independent country, while in office and on camera, stated "We are Slavs, there is no connection between us and Alexander the Great, we came here in the 6th century after Christ".
Also i think that the "Moreover, western historians are quick to point out that in fact all modern nations are recent, politically motivated constructs based on creation "myths"." sentence should be rewritten as "Moreover, some western historians point out that in fact all modern nations are recent, politically motivated constructs based on creation "myths"." (i.e., adding the word "some" and deleting the words "are quick to", so that the "Moreover, western historians are quick to point out that [...]" becomes "Moreover, some western historians point out that [...]").
Thank you (i am Greek, by the way, i hope that this fact is not a problem for any responsible editor...). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.66.95.84 (talk) 21:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
I feel like Македонци should be transliterated as "Makedontsi", your average English speaker isn't going to know how the c is pronounced, and ц is often romanized as ts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Last edited by: (talk • contribs) 21:05, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
The infobox has been devised to separate diaspora from native lands outside Republic. This can cause confusion since in cases such as Greece and Bulgaria, it is known to be the case that there is both an autochtonous population in addition to the presence of economic migrants from the Republic. Provided it is specified in the article that those surrounding territories are a homeland to people identifying as Macedonian, the list on the infobox can be combined. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 13:51, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
I'd go along with my original suggestion. Get rid of the mini-headings, produce figure plus year/source against country. A footnote in each case where we know it to be impermanent may be a good solution. I mean when you take countries like the United States and the UK with their world-famous universities , you just know that they accommodate thousands of nationals of all countries that have no intention to remain in that country once the qualification is achieved. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 23:56, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
I have slightly improved the article. It generally needs a of of work.Ron1978 (talk) 17:08, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
There is nither one picture of IMRO member, but there is several of comunists........... Nema edna slika na vmrovec, a ima nekolko na komunisti........... Vaka se menuva identitet! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.237.139.174 (talk) 18:03, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
This section will hitherto be shortened and made more relevant. Debates in state building apparatus of Sklavenias are tangential at best.Slovenski Volk (talk) 03:11, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
If this doesnt get added, then it will look like pov. This piece adds to the argument and that why it is clearly essential: If anything it will only help get the reader closer to forming his own opinion, and in general adds evidence to the argument:
Venko Markovski, writer, poet and Communist politician from Macedonia, who in 1945 participated in the Commission for the Creation of the Macedonian Alphabet and once wrote in the Macedonian language and published what was the first contemporary book written in standardized Macedonian, stated in an interview for Bulgarian National Television only seven days prior to his death, that ethnic Macedonians and the Macedonian language do not exist and that they were a result of Comintern manipulation.[22]
References
Macedonian nationalism Is a new phenomenon. In the early twentieth century, there was no separate Slavic Macedonian identity
On the other hand, the Macedonians are a newly emergent people in search of a past to help legitimize their precarious present as they attempt to establish their singular identity in a Slavic world dominated historically by Serbs and Bulgarians. ... The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one.
The key fact about Macedonian nationalism is that it is new: in the early twentieth century, Macedonian villagers defined their identity religiously—they were either "Bulgarian," "Serbian," or "Greek" depending on the affiliation of the village priest. ... According to the new Macedonian mythology, modern Macedonians are the direct descendants of Alexander the Great's subjects. They trace their cultural identity to the ninth-century Saints Cyril and Methodius, who converted the Slavs to Christianity and invented the first Slavic alphabet, and whose disciples maintained a centre of Christian learning in western Macedonia. A more modern national hero is Gotse Delchev, leader of the turn-of-the-century Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO), which was actually a largely pro-Bulgarian organization but is claimed as the founding Macedonian national movement.
Despite the recent development of Macedonian identity, as Loring Danforth notes, it is no more or less artificial than any other identity. It merely has a more recent ethnogenesis - one that can therefore more easily be traced through the recent historical record.
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First of all - those 3 links are cherrypicked to support Greek POV. For PERSONS of separate ethnicity. Only Greeks have a distinction between "their" Macedonians and "Slav" Macedonians. But Greeks use Slavophone Greeks, not Slav Macedonians! Secondly - it is offensive that there's not a single other ethnicity called Serb Slavs, or Slav Poles, or Russian Slavs, or English Celts, ... BTW, this is resolved matter in WP:MOSMAC - "The same rules are to be used in an analogous fashion for sub-articles containing "Macedonian(s)" as an ethnic name (e.g. "Macedonians in country X")." And this is not an article about "a citizen body in same state" - it is an article about Macedonians (ethnic group) living in various countries around the globe.
Finally, if an exonym is offensive for the people in question it should not be put in the WP article, e.g. would you put Negro or Colored or... at the top of the article about African_Americans? Kirev (talk) 21:59, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
The present serbian municipalites Presevo, Bujanovac and Trgoviste are part of the geographic region Macedonia. Therefore baced ot the claims of the artical that all slav speaking population in the region Macedonia are macedonians... you got to include the slav speaking population in this serbian municipalites Presevo, Bujanovac, Trgoviste in the part for a macedonians in Serbia. Who have no rights of political representation in Serbia, who are not recognized as minority, who have no rights for a education and cultural expretion on there native macedonian language, and macedonian ethnicity. Otherwise all this construct for a ëthnic macedonians" is wrong..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.237.139.193 (talk) 13:21, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
The macedonian language could not be a situeted in the middel between Bulgarian and Serbian if the Torlak dialect is situeted in the middle between bulgarian and serbian language? This is paradox!!! Between so called macedonian and serbian is the torlak dialect, they not have any other contact beyond the torlak dialect. How could the macedonian be in the midle of bulgarian and serbian if macedonian not contact with the serbian but with the torlak who is the transnition?????? Most important any sources for this clime???? Any sources for the clime that the serbo-croatian is the second closet language to the macedonians, so made the thirth, the fiftyfifth most close language to the macedonian?
Neutrality not mean to say something in the middle! Its mean to tell the truth!!! This is a significant thing that is forgoten in the all article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.237.139.140 (talk) 13:34, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Why should some editors remove this? There are sources to back use of "Macedonian Slavs". Ktrimi991 (talk) 12:39, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
I agree Ktrimi991, it shud be put back up as it is widely used. N.Panamevris (talk) 08:25, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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I suggest that the pic of Vergina Sun "flag" be replaced with the official flag of this ethnic group as this flag was used between 1992-1995 & is not current. N.Panamevris (talk) 08:28, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Good day,
With the "Macedonians (ethnic group)" page, there is a flag titled "The Flag of the Republic of Macedonia between 1992 and 1995. This flag uses the Vergina Sun symbol/emblem.
The Vergina Sun symbol/emblem is a World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) registered state emblem of Greece: WIPO Greece GR1 Emblem. Three variants are registered with WIPO 6ter (GR1, GR2 and GR3 variants, under Vienna classification 01.01.01, 01.01.02, 01.01.10, 01.01.17, 01.03.02, 01.03.15, 24.11.25, 29.01.02, 29.01.11).
WIPO is a self-funded agency of the United Nations, which the (Former Yugoslav) Republic of Macedonia is a member: WIPO FYR Macedonia Membership as of 1991. IP is protected in law, and as such the flag posted is in breach of WIPO IP laws, which each member country is required to abide by (unless permission is given by the owner country; in this case Greece/Hellenic Republic). This flag is also politically contested between Greece and (FYR) Macedonia, and is also not the current flag or coat of arms of (FYR) Macedonia.
As such, can I ask that the flag is replaced with the current flag FYROM Flag?
Thank you for your time.
The official state's name is FYROM (Former Yugoslavic Republic Of Macedonia). Macedonia is a hellenic district located on the Northern Hellenic mainland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.251.1.1 (talk) 11:07, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, I just wanted to say, that the png in the page for Macedonians (ethnic group) shows a macedonian minority in Albania, which was recognized as a bulgarian one. I'm talking about this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonians_(ethnic_group)#/media/File:MalaPrespaiGoloBrdo.png And here's the news: http://www.novinite.com/articles/184224/Albania+has+Recognized+the+Bulgarian+Minority+in+the+Country http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-10/13/c_136675455.htm AtanasByulbyulev 09:01, 13 October 2017 (UTC)