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Nominator: Magentic Manifestations (talk · contribs) 06:54, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk · contribs) 03:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. |
Overall yes though there are areas where this can be improved:
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. |
Overall decent with exceptions:
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2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. |
-Reference #2 does not appear to be reliable for citing scientific information. "While archelogical evidence points to hominids inhabiting the region nearly 400 millenia ago, it has been inhabited by modern humans continuously for more than 3,800 years.[2][3][4]" | |
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). |
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2c. it contains no original research. |
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2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. |
-Initial Earwig screen did not reveal any copyright violation, though I was unable to use the search engine feature due to an error. | |
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. |
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. |
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. |
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7. Overall assessment. |
I plan to review this article. LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 03:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Comments from User:Rollinginhisgrave
Hi Magentic Manifestations, I can see a few of the factual errors and grammatical mistakes from the Dance forms of Tamil Nadu have spilled over into this article as well. Please make sure the claim the region has been occupied for "400 millennia" is corrected in whatever articles you've added it to.
LeónGonsalvesofGoa, my comments at the review page for Dance forms of Tamil Nadu may be helpful. If you are using the table, you can change the ? to a tick by changing |?| in the wikicode to a y, a n or a "hold". I'll also list some issues I can see just in the lede of this article while I'm here:
Tamil culture denotes the diverse culture of the Tamil people. It includes the unique art and architecture, clothing, cuisine and practices that form a part of the lives of Tamils.WP:POSA. It is redundant to say Tamil culture is the culture of the Tamils, and to say it includes things like art, clothing etc. #1a requires prose is concise. Agree that it is redundant to elaborate what culture is and can be better framed. The first line is required as it describes that it is the culture of Tamil people (Tamil is synonymous and used for the people, language and location. So it is similar to saying that of Roman or British People rather than Roman empire or Great Britain respectively.
one of the ancient languagesWhat are the ancient languages? Agree that it is blunt and could be better worded.
Emphasis on self respect and hospitality are notable features of Tamil culture.In the source, an individual is claiming that self-respect is unique to Tamil culture. It appears to be political. It should be attributed, or, honestly, excluded as without other sources it appears to be WP:FRINGE. If it were to be included, it would have to be included in the body as well as the lede, and the reference should be moved there following MOS:LEDE.Let me see if there are other sources backing this. But as per MOS:LEAD, while it "usually" repeats the content in the body, it is not absolutely necessary that the lead incorporates only the information. Although it is common for references to appear in the body and not repeated for the same statements in the lead, it can be mentioned and backed up by citations in the lead.
Archaeological evidence points to the Tamilakam region being inhabited for more than 400 millennia and indicates a continuous history from more than 3,800 years ago.
Archeological evidence indicates the Tamilakam region has been inhabited for...
chequered historynot part of GA review, but likely fails WP:COLLOQUIAL You have been raising this point again and again. The source clearly states that arch. evidence of occupation dates back to 400,000 years. It never mentions that human occupation happened for continuously 400 millenia. It was occupied by hominids earlier and there has been continuous history of human occupation for the past 3.8 millenia. What I will do is split this to two clearer sentences to avoid confusion.
and have developed diverselyAwkward, needs rewording and change of tenses.
Sangam eracapitalise, RS call this the
Sangam period.
The later conquestsUnclear what later conquests there are.
the culture has become diverseIt was claimed the culture was already diverse from its long history.
forms a significant part of the life of the people in IndiaThis is not mentioned in the body, and needs a source. it should have been Tamil Nadu
Tamil diaspora such as Sri Lanka, Southeast Asia, South Africa, Mauritius, Fiji, Middle East, Caribbean and the United States.Many are not mentioned in the body, the lead is supposed to be a summary of the body. All are mentioned in the history section. US is mentioned instead of Western World, will make it as is.
Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 13:24, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Epigraphical inscriptions found at Adichanallur use Tamil Brahmi, a rudimentary script dated to 5th century BCE.- No, this is a fringe claim mounted by Tamil Nationalists and the sort.
Tamils venerate the language is central to the Tamil identity by personifying it in the form of Tamil̲taay- this is ungrammatical. Leaving that aside, this is a modern development, interpolated without context!
the Tamil grammar consists of five parts, namely eḻuttu, sol, poruḷ, yāppu, aṇi- Like, what does this mean and what is the relevance? Why is a press-release among the three sources?
the classical Tamil literature is remarkably different from contemporary literature in other Indian languages- WP:WEASEL
The earliest epigraphic records found on rock edicts and hero stones date from around the 3rd century BCE- Weren't you saying a paragraph above, that there exists Epigraphical inscriptions [..] are dated to 5th century BCE? Atleast, be internally consistent.
Early Tamil literature was composed in three successive poetic assemblies known as Tamil Sangams, the earliest of which was held on a now vanished continent to the south of India- WHAT are you saying? Why is The Three Ages of Atlantis: The Great Floods That Destroyed Civilization among the citations?
I can harp on but that will be a wastage of resources; summarily, almost EVERY SINGLE LINE is inaccurate. TrangaBellam (talk) 13:09, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Early Tamil literature was composed in three successive poetic assemblies known as Tamil Sangams
— User:Magentic Manifestations
. “Sangam” refers to three mythic literary academies at which much of this early literary activity was supposedly located
— Shulman (p. 27)
In 1578, the Portuguese published a Tamil book in old Tamil script named Thambiraan Vanakkam, thus making Tamil the first Indian language to be printed and published.- True but the book was first printed in Goa, the year before. Also, in the process, Tamil became the first language to appear in print in non-Roman characters. A. R. Venkatachalapathy has a nice book on the topic — The Province of the Book: Scholars, Scribes, and Scribblers in Colonial Tamilnadu. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)