The appointment process is now concluded, and the appointment motion has been published below.

The current time and date is 01:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC).


To improve existing workload distribution and continue to ensure timely responses to requests, the Arbitration Committee is seeking to appoint additional people to the CheckUser and Oversight teams.

Accordingly, experienced editors are invited to apply for either or both of the permissions. Current holders of either permission are also invited to apply for the other. For an overview of the appointment process, see here. There is a particular need for Oversight candidates in this round of appointments.

Current demand for users with regional knowledge
Because of the increasing activity from the South Asian, Southeast Asian, or Middle Eastern regions, CheckUser applications are particularly sought from people who not only meet our general requirements but also are familiar with the ISPs and typical editing patterns of any of these regions.

Prospective candidates should be familiar with (i) the English Wikipedia CheckUser and Oversight policies; and (ii) the Wikimedia Foundation privacy policy and related documents. They will also have good communication skills and demonstrated ability to work collaboratively. Additionally, CheckUser candidates are expected to be familiar with basic technological issues and sockpuppet investigation tools and techniques. While not a requirement, previous experience with the Open-source Ticket Resource System (OTRS) is beneficial for Oversight candidates.

Applicants must also be:

Anyone considering applying should be aware that checkusers and oversighters (and candidates for these permissions) are subject to considerable internal and external scrutiny. The external scrutiny may include attempts to investigate on- and off-wiki activities, and has previously resulted in the personal details of candidates being revealed, and unwanted contact with employers, family, or others. Please be aware that the Arbitration Committee is unable to prevent such off-wiki activities from occurring or off-wiki distribution and discussion of personal information. This risk will continue if the candidate is successful in their candidacy.

Further details on the appointment process may be found below.

Appointment process[edit]

Dates are provisional and subject to change

Appointment motion

The Arbitration Committee has resolved to appoint four editors to the CheckUser team and eight editors to the Oversight team pursuant to the CheckUser and Oversight appointment procedures and following the 2012 CUOS appointments process.

Subject to the editors named below providing identification satisfactory to the Wikimedia Foundation (if they have not already done so), the Arbitration Committee hereby resolves to:

(a) appoint the following editors as checkusers:

(b) appoint the following editors as oversighters:

† Previously identified member of the Audit Subcommittee who will retain the specified permission(s) upon the conclusion of their terms.

The committee thanks the other candidates (Mlpearc, Tiptoety); those who applied but were not put forward as candidates; and the community in bringing this appointment process to a successful conclusion.

The committee also thanks LessHeard vanU (talk · contribs), who has recently resigned as an oversighter, for his longterm dedication to the project, and wishes him well in his future endeavours. As well, the committee thanks John Vandenberg (talk · contribs), who has also resigned his checkuser and oversight permissions, for his work as a checkuser, an oversighter, and for his work as an arbitrator; John continues to make contributions in multiple areas within the WMF projects and as an executive member of Wikimedia Australia.


Supporting: Casliber, Courcelles, David Fuchs, Hersfold, Jclemens, Kirill Lokshin, Newyorkbrad, PhilKnight, Risker, Roger Davies, SirFozzie.
Not voting/Inactive: AGK, SilkTork, Xeno

For the Arbitration Committee, Risker (talk) 02:01, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Archived discussion

Candidates[edit]

CheckUser

DeltaQuad

DeltaQuad (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)
Standard questions for all candidates
  1. Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.
    As noted in my nomination statement, i've been active at SPI for about two years now, dealing with the results, but also declining and endorsing requests. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ)
  2. Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.
    I am currently pursuing a Bachelor of Information Technology Degree (Computer Networking specification), which will assist me in being able to make connections between accounts, or comment on why there is a lack thereof, and find proxies easier. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 02:48, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?
    Checkuser@ipv6test.wmflabs, for testing purposes. I have info-en (f), permissions, photosubmission queues on OTRS. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ)
Questions for this candidate
  • It would be extremely unlikely that an officer, especially since I am in Canada would come up and ask me to preform a CheckUser. They would have to find out some how that I, specifically am a CheckUser, which would be hard to find out, and by the time they found it out, the Wikimedia Foundation would be able to give them their answer ten times faster or more. If they did go through all the trouble of getting to me, and finding me, they have wasted their time, because I'm in the wrong jurisdiction to request that information and the information is not on a server I own, it's located in the United States, not Canada. So I would decline any request by law enforcement for a CheckUser by search warrant. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 19:00, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry about not seeing this. My most active area is SPI currently, hence the application for the CheckUser flags. I have recently finished from the Pending Changes RfC which has freed up some time. I look across all the projects I am a part of and I prioritize. Also, I'm not saying I would become permanently inactive in a project, but there are other people in most of the projects I'm involved in. Is there a particular project you have a concern for? -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 22:58, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you DQ. Your answer is sufficient for me. Regarding the project, I have become accustomed to seeing several bots under your maintenance become valued instruments. As for concern, that is solely reserved for the man behind the account. I would never desire another to know a stress I have known for simply trying too hard to give much to many. It compounds significantly if that person is comprised to also demand of himself that the giving be only the best of effort. I know you are of such comprise. You have my support in full measure; and admiration. Best - My76Strat (talk) 23:58, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.
  • With all due respect, that SPI was a very difficult case. I think I can be given a break that I didn't catch one sock. Even another clerk agreed with me that there was not enough behavioral evidence. I also did not comment on the case after your "smoking gun" evidence was posted, and it is not normal to google everything you see in an SPI to search for socks (If you did it would be very time consuming too). I also left it open for second and third reviews, and more if needed, and undeleted the first case when I disagreed with you, allowing you to peruse your case. I think that was fair considering my thoughts at the time. So if I did the same in the future, allowing review, we still are going to find the socks, unless everyone else disagrees. You are always welcome to get a second opinion on an SPI case, in fact if you think I'm in error I encourage it. So i'm not really sure how this would negatively impact my performance as a CheckUser, if I pass. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 19:37, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DoRD

DoRD (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)
Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

As mentioned in my statement above, I have been helping out at SPI for several months, recently having been promoted to a full clerk. While I don't have any official CU experience, I have a little familiarity with the tool from using the simulated version on TestWiki.

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

Well, I have a very dusty degree in computer science, but beyond that, I have been administering my employer's internal networks and connections to the outside world for many years. I have a good working knowledge of IPv4 technology and am familiar with User agent strings.

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

No, I do not, but I have identified to the Foundation.
Questions for this candidate
I think that, perhaps, you mean a subpoena rather than a search warrant, as they would be looking for something stored on a Wikimedia server rather than something in my possession. I can't imagine that I would be presented with either, but in the highly unlikely event that I was, I would refer them to the Foundation and their Legal Counsel. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 01:46, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.

Ponyo

Ponyo (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)
Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

Questions for this candidate
  • I would never supply an outside agency with checkuser data without first consulting with the Foundation in order to a) ensure the request is legitimate and actionable and b) confirm how much data would need to be provided.
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.

Salvio giuliano

Salvio giuliano (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)


Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

I have been involved in various SPIs in the past, both as filer and as reviewing admin – and, since being granted the checkuser permission, in that capacity as well – and I’ve also blocked many more obvious ducks without filing SPIs when their quacking was particularly deafening. Furthermore, as many experienced users, I’ve become proficient at spotting certain repeat sockpuppeteers almost instantly.

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

To be honest, my technical expertise is somewhat limited, though I think I’m fairly computer literate. I can read and understand a WHOIS, geolocate an IP, determine an IP range and identify user agents. And I also have the benefit of having actually operated the checkuser extension and analysed its results.

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

As an auditor, I hold both the oversight and checkuser user rights and I have access to the oversight-en-wp OTRS queue.
Questions for this candidate


Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.

Oversight

DeltaQuad

DeltaQuad (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)
Standard questions for all candidates
  1. Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.
    My only "experience" is requesting oversight for what I knew fell in to the oversight guidelines, and none have been turned down, that I can remember to this day. Otherwise, beyond revdel for administrators, I have no experience onwiki clicking the one extra check box. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 18:04, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.
    I have tested both oversight functions (revdel oversight, and true oversight) offwiki. More importantly, I have interacted with people on OTRS regarding sensitive nature tickets, and this is the best experience to help an oversighter handle requests where users can be very agitated, upset, angry, Et cetera. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ)
  3. Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?
    Checkuser@ipv6test.wmflabs, for testing purposes. I have info-en (f), permissions, photosubmission queues on OTRS. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ)
Questions for this candidate
  1. Please describe your familiarity with the Wikimedia Privacy Policy, Meta Oversight Policy, ENWP Oversight policy, and ENWP Outing policy. Also, without breaching privacy, for each of these policies, give an example of a time that you have used the policy when evaluating a situation or taking action. Pine 01:19, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    The Meta oversight policy, in regards to what can be oversighted and the English Wikipedia Oversight policy overlap quite a bit, and the only difference on what can be oversighted is one additional item for extreme vandalism on the enwiki policy. The outing policy works in conjunction with the oversight policy, because the same items that would be considered outing, are subject to oversight. Now the Privacy Policy is the blanket that covers all other policies, and would be considered the policy of last resort. It governs what can and can't be released, governing what is oversighted and what is not. Now with all those connections drawn, with keeping privacy in mind, I have dealt with the outing policy directly, and had to read through it's wording specifically. With that, any sensitive information was requested for oversight. These policies match over each other, so with most requests you will hit most, if not all of those four policies. I have a good knowledge of the policies listed and can easily say which ones revisions would fall under. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 18:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.

Foxj

Foxj (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)
Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

I have been using the revision deletion function for a good while now which, while obviously not the same thing, is probably a decent starting platform to learn the technical side of the role. On a number of occasions I have deleted pages/edits containing material covered by the Oversight policy in anticipation of having them oversighted. — foxj 12:22, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

Since I have never used this function before, on Wikimedia sites or elsewhere, I can't say I have any technical experience with this particular function. — foxj 12:22, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

I do not hold any advanced positions on WMF projects. I have OTRS permissions to the info-en-l queue. — foxj 12:22, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Questions for this candidate
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.

Mentifisto

Mentifisto (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)
I currently do administrative stuff whenever needed, with my editing normally connected to requests on info-en queues, and as a steward I use oversight on small wikis as necessary.
Thanks for your consideration.
Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

As above, I occasionally requested suppression of some edits throughout the years (which, if I remember correctly, were all acted upon). Other than that I'm familiar with admins' revdeletion policy and how it overlaps onto oversight.

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

None that is relevant, besides utilizing the tool on test wikis.

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

Steward, checkuser on Simple English Wikipedia, and bureaucrat on Meta. I have access to the info-en, permissions, photosubmissions, and stewards queues (mostly work on info-en).
Questions for this candidate
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.

Mlpearc

Mlpearc (talk · contribs)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)
Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

A: My on wiki experience is limited to requesting Oversight a couple times after editing while logged out. My feelings about the Oversight right is the user is volunteering for more work and no extra authority. I believe if the user has integrity, discretion, an understanding of the processes and a level head they should do fine with a couple extra buttons.

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

A: I have a four (4) wiki project, two (2) public and two (2) semi-private. In the beginning the main public wiki was being constantly attacked by SpamBots which created many accounts with obscene usernames, links, comments and images, from usernames to whole pages. Oversight was put into action very early in the project, and I quickly became acquainted with the functions.

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

A: None at this time.
Questions for this candidate


A: The privacy policy regulates what type of data can be gathered and/or retained. The policy also regulates who can access this information and the circumstances in which this information can be released.
Oversight is a tool in which defamatory, private information and/or copyright violations can be deleted or suppressed from normal view. The policy governs what information/edits qualify for such removal and to what extent.
Outing is a provision of the harassment policy, posting of personal information of an editor in which the editor has not publicly released themselves, example, addresses, phone numbers, occupation or birth dates is a form of harassment. If such information is posted or discovered community members should never confirm or deny the validity of the information and it should be carefully taken to the proper venue for assessment and resolution.
With the exception of a couple requests for Oversight to remove my IP after editing while logged out, I have not been in a situation on wiki where I've needed to confer these policies before acting on or in evaluation. I do believe though this is about to change. Mlpearc (powwow) 18:41, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]


A: Yes, this is true but, as a non-admin, I think that revision deletion, which comes as part of the admin tools is mostly a "first response" action until an oversight decision and action is rendered or refused, so therefore the same understanding and decision making will be needed for each situation even if RevDelete has been used or not. As far as experience outside of what I've already stated above I feel that even if this were an RfA, experience has to start somewhere and be it revision delete or oversight, admin or oversighter I would and will seek counsel and guidance on any situation where I'm not confident, this is where experience with IRC and the use of email will be an asset. To the best of my recollection I have requested Oversight three maybe four times via both IRC and Special:EmailUser, all requests were fulfilled as requested. Mlpearc (powwow) 23:23, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.
  • The userright contains the necessary flags to do the job, correct? (since last time, an RfC was done to add those rights) So I don't see how the community can be backed into accepting ArbCom's appointment and forcing an RfA to be passed. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 20:06, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • In comparison to hundreds of administrators and thousands of adminship candidacies, there has only been one successful non-administrator functionary RFA. The oversight right has been independent of adminship since April 2011. AGK [•] 00:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I concur that the latter concern is no longer an issue with the subsequent change to the oversight package. Moreover, the last thought in my mind is that Mlpearc's intent here is to place himself on a fast track to adminship. He should not be slighted simply because others may use the position that way. Upon meeting Mlpearc several weeks ago, I was struck by his authentic character; I have no doubt that he'll use the tools in the sincerest interests to help. NTox · talk 02:51, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NuclearWarfare

NuclearWarfare (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)
Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

My statement above is brief, but should speak for itself. Briefly: I have administrated here and on Commons, served as a Arbitration Clerk, and done a fair amount of anti-vandalism that involved reporting matters for oversight. However, while experience is necessary, I feel that the role is more about trust than anything else. I would hope that I have most of the community's, and I would appreciate your comments. NW (Talk) 04:02, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

I imagine that, as Ponyo says in her reply to this question, "the Oversight role does not so much require specific technical expertise as it does sound judgement and a firm grasp of what information falls under the Wikimedia Foundation's Oversight policy." NW (Talk) 04:02, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

No and yes, respectively. I have access to the Permissions, photosubmission (f), info-en (f), sister projects, and Donations queuse on OTRS. NW (Talk) 23:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Questions for this candidate
  • The way I see it, the privacy and oversight policies are all fairly straightforward. They boil down to this: don't give out any information to 1) anyone who isn't authorized AND 2) does not need to know. As I am not a functionary, I have not had much interactions with either of them, so I don't think I can point to anything onwiki. And that really is how it should be—I have hardly discussed any of the OTRS work I have done onwiki (which isn't that substantial, but is worth mentioning) because I feel that it's better to avoid discussion of confidential matters onwiki.

    The outing policy is pretty straightforward too: any personal information that someone has not self-disclosed is off limits. This should not be construed in a manner endorsing the use of oversight to avoid scrutiny, but in general, the outing policy is designed to make editors focus on the edits, not the editor's identity. That's the principle I would try to abide by. NW (Talk) 01:58, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Any intention on following through with with rename you discussed at the time? Nobody Ent 23:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Probably not. It came up a while back on my talk page (User talk:NuclearWarfare/Archive 25#Username), and nothing has really changed for me since then. NW (Talk) 23:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.
  • Comment- I think the unfortunate previous incident served as a learning experience for NW, and he may now be even more vigilant about editors' personal information having seen the consequences of even a small privacy breach. I would like to hear NW's takeaway from the experience, and would consider striking my opposition depending on his response. My biggest reservation is that he is young and may not have the life experience to fully appreciate what's at stake for editors with jobs, families, business reputations, etc. Based on the nature of the previous incident, I have a concern that NW may be naive about others' malignant motives and willingness to exploit his access to information. Despite the previous incident, I acknowledge that NW has a lot of potential, and my comments are not a personal indictment against him. Minor4th 19:11, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure how much I can really reply to your or GJP's comments without revealing details of the incident. There are implications in GJP's statements that I think are misleading, but I am not willing to discuss it onwiki any further. (Most of?) ArbCom should know what I'm talking about; if they have any questions, I will of course be willing to discuss the matter with them. NW (Talk) 03:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Your judgment regarding editors' privacy is pretty important, so I'd prefer that you discuss this out in the open and not behind closed doors. I think you can do that without compromising anyone's personal information. I think it's fair to summarize the incident as follows:
You had an off wiki chat with a then active wiki editor and with a banned editor who turned out to be Timothy Usher, a user previously banned for outing wiki editors. In the course of that conversation, you discussed speculation about whether two active editors had any real life connection with each other or whether they may be sock puppets. You had access to checkuser logs snd oversighted info about the two editors you were discussing. You disclosed information about those editors' locations to Timothy Usher and the other wiki editor you were chatting with. That information was used by Timothy Usher to assist his outing of the two editors. Timothy Usher contacted, among others, both of the editors via their real life email addresses and contacted at least one of the editors' employers. The editors' real identities and personal lives were then discussed on various internet sites known for harassing wiki editors. When you were made aware of what happened following your chat with Timothy Usher, you provided chat transcripts of the conversations to Arb and discussed the matter with the editors and Arb.
You said that you were unaware that the person you were chatting with was Timothy Usher. When you made the disclosures in the course of the chat, you did not perceive that you were violating editors' privacy, and you did not accurately perceive the motives or abilities of the people who were chatting with you about private information you had access to with your admin and clerk tools.
I think the community deserves a bit more transparency here. In my view, this privacy breach is something that should weigh heavily on the community's collective mind unless you can articulate what went wrong and how you will better protect editors' privacy in the future. I think you can speak to this in general and without disclosing any private details about anyone. I hope that you will take the opportunity to do so.Minor4th 05:24, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"You had access to checkuser logs and oversighted info about the two editors you were discussing." I can assure you that he did not - checkuser and oversight logs and data are never provided to anyone who does not have access to those tools, and are handled in accordance with the Foundation's Privacy Policy and our local wiki's policies regarding the use of those tools. As NW has never been a functionary, he has never had access to this data. Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 15:18, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can assure you that he did have access to that information in this particular case. I don't know if he had direct access to the logs or if the information was shared with him by another checkuser, but there's no question he had the information, and he disclosed information about the editor' ip addresses and locations to Timothy Usher. I do not believe NW will deny that he had access to the data. I was under the impression that admins could view checkuser logs even if they don't have the tool. In any event, NW had access to the data in this instance. Minor4th 16:40, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You are incorrect here, Minor4th; the editor in question revealed his own information on another Wikimedia project, by linking his username to his IP address, which was unusually specific in its geolocation; this information was removed from public view at the recommendation of English Wikipedia arbitrators when it was identified during the investigation of the complaint, but long after it had been collected by third parties. No checkuser data was provided to NuclearWarfare, only the general information that checkusers are permitted to share, even onwiki. Risker (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Risker, it may be true that one of the editors linked a username to an IP address, but the information NW disclosed was about two different editors. The fact remains, NW had the chat with Timothy Usher and disclosed information about two editors derived from checkuser results. Is it NW's position that such a disclosure is ok? If that's his position, then he should just say so. In my view, it is really irrelevant whether the banned editor would have ultimately made the right connections without confirming information through NW -- NW should have protected the information. Minor4th 21:33, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
First off, it has been quite a while since this incident, so my memory may be faulty. I have looked back through a few emails, and they seemed to imply that the information I stated was along the lines of "According to Checkuser X, who I spoke with offwiki, User A and User B have logged onto Wikipedia from different workplace IP addresses repeatedly." I believe that if I were a checkuser and discovered such information, it would be permissible for me to state such if another Wikipedian were pursuing a sockpuppetry investigation.

Now would I? No. These days, a statement from me in those circumstances would be "I do not believe that User A and User B are the same editor Full Stop.

But this is as far as I am willing to discuss this matter onwiki. If the Arbitration Committee has additional concerns, they are welocme to contact me. NW (Talk) 00:44, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. That is all I was looking for - an indication from you that you would handle things differently if you were faced with those circumstances today. I am changing my oppose to support. Minor4th 00:54, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"quite a while" is how long ago? Gimmetoo (talk) 16:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
September 2010, plus or minus a few months. NW (Talk) 18:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To further clarify, checkuser logs are only visible to those with the checkuser right; they are not visible to administrators, and I think even stewards have to grant themselves checkuser locally in order to view the logs. In any event, these logs only indicate who checked what username or IP address and the stated reason for doing so (i.e. "18:25, 25 June 2012 (UTC) - Hersfold got IP addresses for User:Hersfold non-admin (obvious sock)"); individual log entries do not provide any private data. Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 18:25, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Commeny - it concerns me that at the time, NW was both an admin and an Arbcom clerk, but he did not have the good judgment to avoid a conversation with a party to a case about another (opposing) party. The outing resulted in the other party losing his job due to off-Wiki harassment and a subsequent loss of over half of his annual income. As both an admin and a clerk, he should have completely avoided the situation. GregJackP Boomer! 18:28, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ponyo

Ponyo (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)
Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

Questions for this candidate
  • I believe that I have a firm grasp on the Wikimedia Privacy Policy as well as the policies governing the use of Oversight (as written at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight). As a member of the Audit Subcommittee I have repeatedly reviewed these policies in order to investigate whether any breaches have occurred when concerns regarding improper use of the oversight and checkuser tools have been raised by the community. With regard to Wikipedia’s policy regarding outing, I understand what is considered outing as defined on EN-WP as well as its relation to the overall Foundation Privacy policy. Although I remain vigilant regarding outing when using the checkuser tools, I have yet to come across an instance where it has been specifically relevant while oversighting.
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.
For the record, should Ponyo and/or Salvio giuliano be appointed, their appointment will take effect at the end of their AUSC term, unless one or the other elects to resign from the AUSC. Risker (talk) 03:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Salvio giuliano

Salvio giuliano (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)


Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

I have served as an auditor since February and I have also acted as an oversighter since then. Apart from that, I have often used the revdel tool and, before being granted the oversight user right, I made various requests that edits be suppressed and they were all accepted.

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

As an auditor, I hold both the oversight and checkuser user rights and I have access to the oversight-en-wp OTRS queue.
Questions for this candidate
Dude, you have 5 (five) edits to your account. Go back to whatever banned username you came from and quit trolling - since it's pretty self evident that this account was created with the sole purpose of trouble makin'.VolunteerMarek 01:49, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
How is that apparent? I Have asked questions to someone you state your wrote flattering things about on Wikipediocracy. These elections are being discussed there. I would like this candidate to answer the questions before he is given a lifetime ability to do use tools that others at Wikipediocracy have pointed out have been abused in the past. You have now been swearing and calling me a troll. That seems like an overreaction to a candidate being asked to answer some questions. I'm especially concerned that he seems unaware of the way some at Wikipediocracy have pointed out that oversighting has been misused in the past. NewtonGeek (talk) 02:36, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As an oversighter myself, I'd just like to correct your comment on the point that oversight hides things 'permanently', and that 'those actions may not be retrievable by anyone'. Neither of these assertions are correct, and I just wish to clarify this here. Suppressed edits can be viewed by all other oversighters, and can be undone or reduced to revdel as necessary. Furthermore, we have the AUSC, who's job it is (amongst others) is to vet suppressed edits and their associated logs. It's not a permanent black-hole, by any means - Alison 03:12, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Are you saying you believe the oversighting tools have not been misused in the past? Are you saying that any misuse in the past has actually been undone? Was the oversighting at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Rogers_(journalist) done appropriately?NewtonGeek (talk) 14:22, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There have been inappropriate suppressions of edits, in the past — which is not surprising, considering all tools have the potential to be misused. The Audit Subcommittee has investigated them and taken the steps it deemed appropriate, which have varied depending on the circumstances of every single case. Regarding, Chris Rogers (journalist), there are no suppressed edits. Uncle G (talk · contribs), an administrator, deleted the old article and recreated a new version thereof. I don't know whether his actions were appropriate or not as I'm not familiar with the situation and, to tell you the truth, neither do I intend to familiarise myself with it only to reply to a question here. Salvio Let's talk about it! 15:12, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.

Snowolf

Snowolf (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)
Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

My experience comes from my service as steward, who handle oversight requests on wikis without global stewards and global suppressions of abusive usernames. In particular, I've been involved in the latter, reviewing past suppressions to address a series of bugs and perform local suppressions when the global suppression tool did not perform it automatically as well as unsuppressing mistaken or outside of policy suppressions.

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

I do not believe I have any particular off-wiki/technical expertise pertaining to this role, beside being familiar with and having used the oversight toolset and having reported or looked into a number of bugs pertaining to it.

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

The only advanced permission I hold is that of steward. I do have OTRS access to steward-l and info-en. Snowolf How can I help? 03:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Questions for this candidate
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.

Someguy1221

Someguy1221 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)


Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

In my capacity as an administrator I occasionally need to revision delete certain edits. In the past, when I was active at recent changes patrol, I occasionally needed to make requests for oversight via email.

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

I do not hold advanced permissions on any WMF projects. I have OTRS permissions, specifically to queues info-en (f), Voicemail, photosubmission (f), and Donations.
Questions for this candidate
I am extensively familiar with all such policies. While the Wikimedia Privacy policy is not required reading for OTRS volunteers, the general concept of privacy on Wiki(m|p)edia is something we are supposed to be well versed it. It's an issue that comes up on any OTRS ticket that requires actions on Wikipedia or communications with a third party. And so in my experience handling OTRS tickets (I don't know how many I have handled, as the system won't count beyond 2000), I constantly have to keep the privacy of our contactees in mind, many of whom are Wikipedia editors.
With regard the meta and ENWP oversight policies, I familiarized myself with those long ago so I would know what to request for oversight, and what was better handled with basic administrative tools (or nothing at all, for that matter). Tooting my own horn here, every request I made for oversight was fulfilled, which I take as a measure of my familiarity with the policy.
Finally, regarding outing, this is not an issue I typically involve myself with, outside of lurking ANI threads involving such issues. However, the need to avoid outing is something that anyone who patrols the info-en-quality queue on OTRS should be familiar with. Those tickets frequently require the responder to carry out on-wiki actions while, as always, not revealing any personal information contained within the ticket. In addition, some of the material I have requested oversight on could be construed as outing. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.

Tiptoety

Tiptoety (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)
Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

Questions for this candidate
  • Hi Pine. As stated above, all of my actions as a CheckUser both here and on other projects as well as my actions as an Oversighter on Commons and as an OTRS team leader are governed by the Wikimedia Privacy Policy. Each and every time I look at processing a CheckUser request I ensure that I disseminate the least amount of information possible to ensure that I am complying with the Privacy Policy. An example of such can be found here where, given the long term nature of this sockpuppeteer I likely could have more specific information such as "same small ISP" (only an example) and I chose not to. As for the Meta Oversight Policy (which I refer to as the "Global" Oversight Policy), it governs the use and access to the tool on all foundation wikis. Given the Commons does not have its only Oversight Policy, I always refer to the Global Oversight Policy when reviewing a request for suppression. I am unable to provide a specific example as they are handled via email and contain information not available to "the public." The English Wikipedia Oversight Policy governs the use of Oversight only on this project. It provides rules for how the tools are accessed, used, and under what circumstances revdeletion should be used in lieu of Suppression (Oversight). Generally speaking, the only time I have used this policy was when I was trying to determine if I should just revdelete something or send an email to the Oversight list as well. Lastly the Outing Policy, which is a subsection of the Harassment Policy outlines prohibited actions associated with providing personal real life information about an editor. This can include, but is not limited to, phone numbers, real life names, addresses, social security cards, and dates of birth. An important factor in dealing with outing is to treat every post with personal information in it like it is real. Confirming or denying the accuracy of the information only adds flames to the fire. On a more personal note, I have been outed many times before and subject to real life harassment as a result of my activities here. As such, combating outing and ensuring a safe working environment here is very important to me. Tiptoety talk 05:59, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is late my time and I just got home from work. Just dropping a note here to say I will answer this tomorrow. Thanks for understanding, Tiptoety talk 05:21, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Leaky_caldron. Sorry it took me so long to reply. For one I had to go back and research in incident in question as it took place back in late November of 2011. As for the question: (a) Yes, I felt it was appropriate to protect the article. I will note that the protection was short. (b) While I will contend that the specific protection summary of "Persistent sockpuppetry" may not have been the best choice of words, I do not feel it missed the point all together. "Persistent sockpuppetry" is one of the drop-down templates in the protection interface and is commonly used when the article is protected due to socking. (c) I felt that I did answer your question to the best of my ability at AN/I, but given that I can not publicly link a user to an IP address I was and still am simply unable to go into specifics. Some specifics could include the sockmasters past which involves continued vandalism to targeted articles over a short period of time, the use of 4chan and other such sites to flood an article, or entering malicious code. (d) I think "c" answers this question. I am not trying to be obtuse. I am trying to respond to your inquiry to the extent that I am not violating a Foundation Policy. Best, Tiptoety talk 03:47, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the detailed reply. In as much as any of this is relevant to your application for Oversight, it is the use of a patently incorrect edit summary. If the interface does not provide a more appropriate notice, such as "protected pending sockpuppet investigation" then it could have been typed in. Otherwise I'm sure that you could get the options on the interface amended. When edit summaries are used by Admins on functions such as protection, blocking or oversight they absolutely must be accurate and not inadvertently misleading. Persistent means a pattern of habitual behaviour, and 2 IPs each making a single edit is more than stretching the description of "persistent". That said, we are only here due to the badgering of your supporter. Good luck if successful and if you can modify the protection edit summary interface that would be very helpful. Leaky Caldron 11:08, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.
  • Heim, Skinwalker, and Hipocrite: I don't want to comment either way on this candidacy at this stage, nor do I have the remotest inclination to influence your decision, but I do think we must consider that the sysop noticeboards have had a recurring problem with complainants not taking up concerns (in the first place) with the administrator in question. WP:NOTBUREAU may apply, but so too does the usual order of WP:GBU, as well as good manners and common courtesy. Hauling a contributor in front of the peanut gallery without first using a more low-key venue is rather rude, and at this I suspect every administrator has (at some point) shown annoyance. AGK [•] 10:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wonder, though, what's ruder - "peanut gallery without first using a more low-key venue," or blocking someone for "Slow moving edit warring at MonaVie," without nary a warning or comment after getting begged-to-block on IRC? Hipocrite (talk) 10:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Under normal circumstances, yes, I agree that it should be handled that way. Deleting a long-standing article because you didn't bother to check if it had been vandalized is a case that needs immediate reversal and going directly to the adminboard to get eyes on it is an entirely sensible approach. Indeed, it was the deletion that was "rather rude", not the post on ANI. Heimstern:Away (talk) 10:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Naturally, and in trying to avoid prejudging the candidacy I did ignore the context. AGK [•] 11:46, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As for Leaky Cauldron's oppose, it was widely suspected and later reiterated by him that Tiptoety's decision rested on information which non-functionaries do not have access to, and he would be violating the privacy policy if he had revealed it. If one suspects an error in the context of functionary tools then it should be reported to the AUSC, but Tiptoey is absolutely justified in not expending another editor's privacy just so he can "win" a discussion with an uninvolved editor. WilliamH (talk) 13:02, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
They recorded a misleading edit synopsis of "persistent sockpuppetry". Misleading/sloppy/inaccurate/incorrect/lazy edit summaries by Admins using tools is, in my opinion, unacceptable. He failed to answer that particular part of my concern. I was not at all concerned that the use of his covert tools may have identified socking, although the initial request from another editor and the Admin's response - see here [7] is also a bit casual for my liking. Since when is it ok to protect an article based only on un-investigated, circumstantial evidence and use a misleading edit summary to boot? I wanted to understand why the public record of the decision to semi-protect an article experiencing negligible disruption was "persistent sockpuppetry" when the recent history of the article indicated no such disruption. Why protect an article from no disruption but take no action against the alleged culprit? Leaky Caldron 15:02, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
His decision rested on information which you do not have access to. With all due respect, you are not in a position to comment on its legitimacy. WilliamH (talk) 15:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I did not come here to make a "thing" out of this but you seem to wish to intentionally ridicule my oppose with a specious interpretation all of your own. Let me repeat, leaving an edit summary of "persistent sockpuppetry" as a justification for protecting an article where there was no evidence of persistent disruption and only 1 edit each by the 2 unregistered users concerned is neither "persistent" and quite possibly not "sockpuppetry". It was a knee-jerk response to a drive by request and documented in a cavalier manner. Since you've decided to challenge my opinion and effectively told me to mind my own business, let's see what the candidate has to say. I'll formulate a question. Leaky Caldron 16:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Worm That Turned

Worm That Turned (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Nomination statement (250 words max.)
Standard questions for all candidates

Please describe any relevant on-Wiki experience you have for this role.

I'm not the most prolific of administrators, but the tool I use most often is Revision Deletion. This often happens because my work in adoption leads to working with younger members of the community who can unwittingly put far too much information on their profile. I've request oversight a few times too.
 WormTT(talk)

Please outline, without breaching your personal privacy, what off-Wiki experience or technical expertise you have for this role.

 WormTT(talk)

Do you hold advanced permissions (checkuser, oversight, bureaucrat, steward) on this or other WMF projects? If so, please list them. Also, do you have OTRS permissions? If so, to which queues?

 WormTT(talk)
Questions for this candidate

Familiarity, interesting choice of word. I am well read on all the policies referred to above, I took time out to familiarise myself with them when I became an OTRS member and when I ran for Arbitration Committee, and I have re-affirmed this knowledge when I decided to apply for Oversight. So yes, I am familiar with the policies. I've encountered specific uses of them infrequently, unless you count the general uses.

I hope that answers your questions, please feel free to ask any follow ups! WormTT(talk) 10:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 WormTT(talk)
Comments
Comments may also be submitted to the Arbitration Committee privately by emailing arbcom-en-c@lists.wikimedia.org. Please note that the candidate will be provided the opportunity to respond to a paraphrased version of any emailed comments; the sender's name will not be provided.
  • Support extremely positive influence on Wikipedia. Nobody Ent 02:45, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have seen nothing to indicate WTT is unqualified for this position. MBisanz talk 03:06, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Every experience I've had with Worm has been a positive one, even when we had different ideas. I think his calm, measured approach would be beneficial. Dennis Brown - © 00:23, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I trust the Worm. Kilopi (talk) 23:58, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am beyond trust; it is more akin to knowledge. For I know the Worm; and expect high standards. He has never shown less to my eyes. My76Strat (talk) 00:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongest support - WTT has shown an ability to be clueful and his work with newer users clearly shows a need for the tool. No qualms here. Achowat (talk) 15:50, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Evolution of the worm: Farmers' friend (Worm v1.0 aka Worm) → Wikipedia's friend (Worm v2.0 aka Worm That Turned) --Ankit MaityTalkContribs 16:05, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Worm would obviously be a good addition to the OS team. While we have not always agreed, I have found him to be an unfailingly civil and thoughtful Wikipedian. it also sounds like he has RW experience that will help inform him for thit type of work. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:59, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Shows clue and complete trustworthiness.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 14:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Per K-Wolf. WTT being able to turn a nemesis into a supporter — and a guy who is paying attention, at that — is the very best testimonial possible. Carrite (talk) 18:24, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This user can be trusted for oversighting.Max Viwe | Viwe The Max 18:27, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Results[edit]

The Arbitration Committee has resolved to appoint four editors to the CheckUser team and eight editors to the Oversight team pursuant to the CheckUser and Oversight appointment procedures and following the 2012 CUOS appointments process.

Subject to the editors named below providing identification satisfactory to the Wikimedia Foundation (if they have not already done so), the Arbitration Committee hereby resolves to:

(a) appoint the following editors as checkusers:

(b) appoint the following editors as oversighters:

† Previously identified member of the Audit Subcommittee who will retain the specified permission(s) upon the conclusion of their terms.

The committee thanks the other candidates (Mlpearc, Tiptoety); those who applied but were not put forward as candidates; and the community in bringing this appointment process to a successful conclusion.

The committee also thanks LessHeard vanU (talk · contribs), who has recently resigned as an oversighter, for his longterm dedication to the project, and wishes him well in his future endeavours. As well, the committee thanks John Vandenberg (talk · contribs), who has also resigned his checkuser and oversight permissions, for his work as a checkuser, an oversighter, and for his work as an arbitrator; John continues to make contributions in multiple areas within the WMF projects and as an executive member of Wikimedia Australia.

Supporting: Casliber, Courcelles, David Fuchs, Hersfold, Jclemens, Kirill Lokshin, Newyorkbrad, PhilKnight, Risker, Roger Davies, SirFozzie.
Not voting/Inactive: AGK, SilkTork, Xeno

For the Arbitration Committee, Risker (talk) 02:01, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Archived discussion