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The subject fails our notability guidelines, as of yet. The sole claim to fame is authoring some reports on alleged antisemitism which, as Selfstudier says, is not significantly covered outside of the usual suspects [in Israeli media] that habitually round robin [such] news between them.
NOTNEWS. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
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*Keep - Easily passes WP:GNG as evidenced by the sources in the article. Notability is determined by the amount of 3rd party coverage, not by his "qualifications" or by being an expert, and there is tons of such non-trivial coverage, in high quality publications such as The Guardian, The BBC, ,The Times, The Jerusalem Post and others. This is not some "random blogger", but an independent researcher whose work has ben used by the British Equality and Human Rights Commission to issue a scathing report on antisemitism in the Labour party which resulted in high ranking members being suspended or leaving the party, it has been featured in several UK parliamentary discussions, and cited by the US Dept. of State in a report on religious freedom in the UK. The sources listed cover a period of more than 5 years, and include peer-reviewed academic papers which cite his research favorably. This is a clear indication that WP:NOTNEWS does not apply Inf-in MD (talk) 12:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)Blocked sock
[t]he research, by prominent research David Collier, [...]speaks volumes about the journalistic quality of the outlet.Algemeiner Journal Top 100 Jews of 2017 - Seriously, that is among your three best sources?A blog on Times of Israel is not reliable. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
they do not speak about him at all.Do we know any damn thing about the subject? Any random report on antisemitism has its usual coverage in Israeli media. What is special about this case?
"'Palestinianism' is a disease that is anathema to freedom, to debate, to openness and to human rights," Collier blogged. "It will infect those who catch the disease with anti-Semitism just as it provides them with a denial mechanism to protest their innocence." This highlights an issue that many of the charges of anti-Semitism against Palestine solidarity activists are coming from partisan political opponents rather than objective racism monitors. Collier is a longstanding Israel advocate and critic of Palestinian activism who has described his mission as "showing everybody how toxic our enemies are".Kieron Monks, Labour’s anti-Semitism scandal has spilled over into attacks on Palestine solidarity Middle East Eye 17 July 2018
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(help) (the esharp paper mentioned in the article) contains interesting references to Collier. Notable is his description of the UN as a "a rabid Jew-hating forum", of UNSC Resolution 2334 as "[f]odder for the anti-Israel lynch mob" and "BDS is an umbrella group under which all Israel haters unite"to "smear Zionists as bullies and Nazis". I'm all for freedom of speech but keepers would do well to actually scrutinize some of the material in the blog, for example, <suppressed>, which I would put in the same category as Holocaust denial.Selfstudier (talk) 00:05, 1 December 2021 (UTC)I wouldn't particularly describe this article as a biography either, as his work is far more notable than he is as an individual.Selfstudier (talk) 11:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
... his work is far more notable than he is as an individual. That's possibly by choice. But for a wiki page, that's okay. See: D._B._Cooper
Beyond any of that, a drum some of the keep proponents are also beating is in the importance of the work. So stipulated, but what about this article is necessary to memorialize it? We already have Jeremy_Corbyn#Allegations_of_antisemitism, Antisemitism in the UK Labour Party, Antisemitism in the UK Conservative Party, Criticism_of_Amnesty_International#Israel, 2021 Meron crowd crush as representative articles. Ravenswing 17:40, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
"If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability"
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/nov/10/glasgow-university-retreats-over-antisemitic-label-for-journal-article and The Daily Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/04/jeremy-corbyns-leadership-has-radicalised-labour-members-attacking/, both of them WP:RS. Headhitter (talk) 11:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
...David Collier, a blogger under the banner heading Beyond the Great Divide. Given that his posts are frequently recycled and applauded on Facebook and Twitter, he is highly regarded among grassroots Zionist supporters. His writing, however, is peppered with inflammatory language. For example in January 2017 he referred to UNSC Resolution 2334 as ‘[f]odder for the anti-Israel lynch mob’ and the UN itself as ‘a rabid Jew-hating forum’ (Collier 2017) Collier’s self-appointed mission is to attend and report on pro-Palestinian events and academic conferences. He refers to these as ‘hate-fests’. He told his embassy audience in November that ‘BDS is an umbrella group under which all Israel haters unite’ to ‘smear Zionists as bullies and Nazis’. 2 His posts frequently single out prominent supporters of Palestinian rights such as Ilan Pappe and Ghada Karmi to name-and-shame. Overall, Collier’s blogposts exemplify the discursive categories typical of an extreme ideological perspective. These include outright denials of Israel’s human rights violations beginning with the displacement in 1948 of the indigenous Palestinian population (Pappe 2006); the shifting of blame for the conflict through discourses that claim (for Israel) the right to self-defense, and which imply that Palestinian violence is a random expression of Arab anti-Semitism rather than resistance to decades of dispossession, discrimination and humiliation; dehumanization of Palestinians as a people who routinely sacrifice their children in order to kill Jews; a strong antipathy for anyone supporting Palestinian human rights; and frequent resort to ridicule. When the Al Jazeera documentaries aired, Collier was quick to deride the series, downplaying the seriousness of Israel’s tampering with British public opinion, and citing Marcus Dysch, Political Editor at the Jewish Chronicle, who on 12 January attacked the series as ‘harassment of Jews dressed up as entertainment’ (Collier 2017b). Similarly, Collier reproduced the remarks of fellow blogger Jonathan Hoffman, whose piece on the Zionist website Harry’s Place summed the films as ‘voyeurism for anti-Semites’ (Collier 2017b). It would be easy to dismiss such social media exchanges as inconsequential hot air. But propaganda thrives on the repetition of catchy slogans such as these, and the constant exchange and recirculation of misleading information - Collier’s comments reappear across a range of social media - arguably spreads and entrenches already strongly held Zionist beliefs, inflaming antagonism towards pro-Palestinian supporters and muting their messages. The possibility of free and fair debate is severely limited.
"But along with such debate comes the responsibility for articles to be rigorous, well-balanced, and supported by evidence. This article does not meet those standards of scholarship. In particular, this article employs some discursive strategies, including a biased selection of sources as well as the misrepresentation of data, which promote what some would regard as an unfounded theory regarding the State of Israel and its activity in the United Kingdom."This cover note has been in flux and the one here is dated September 2021; it is not clear to me whether this version is the final product of the ensuing debate. The academic community, in the form of 500 scholars signing a petition, had described in the opposite terms:
"The paper was accepted for publication following the standard process of double-blind peer-review. The article is an academic account of public relations, lobbying, advocacy and information management, which is a well-established area of academic study."I am not entirely clear when this petition was delivered. Either way, the debate between the editorial team and the wider academic community was around whether the picture painted of the Israel lobby in the United Kingdom was fair. It had nothing to do with the article's description of individual bloggers or similar.
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Question Does anyone know what education Collier has? Usually, you are only called a "researcher" after getting a phD; so what does Collier have? I haven't even seen that he has O-levels; does he? Huldra (talk) 22:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC) Apparently anyone can call themself "independent researcher", or "investigative journalist"; even if they only scraped through elementary school. That is why I want to know: what is Colliers qualifications? Anyone? Huldra (talk) 23:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
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Sources table: We don't have a clear consensus yet. And as painful as this process has been so far, I would HATE to have to go through it again in 6 months or a year. So here's a first pass at a source analysis table. And as a reminder, WP:BIO does not require any one source to go into depth: "... multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". -- Bob drobbs (talk) 22:57, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
We don't have a clear consensus yetWhy do you think that? Selfstudier (talk) 23:33, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
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"I do not think that Collier is personally engaged in this...", that should not inform a view in this debate, which is solely a notability question. I would like to correct it for the record, though. Unfortunately some of his posts have intentionally doxxed editors with their real names. Other examples of harassment from his blog (which I have redacted) include: (1)
I believe I am close to uncovering [redacted]’s real identity. The account holder may be [redacted] and connected to [redacted] University (possibly [redacted] campus – so if you know of an anti-Israel academic activist there – probably with [redacted] background – let me know).; and on a different editor: (2)
From his edits [redacted] appears to be a raging antisemitic conspiracy theorist with a major fetish for the Nazi Occult. He also seems to have a soft spot for radical Islamists (and may well have converted in about 2007).More generally, his blog posts show a consistent inability to understand the idea of a balanced narrative, as if the coins in his pocket only have one side, and they imply a belief that editors writing anything less than pure Israeli government propaganda are "online terrorists", and he encourages his readers to treat them as such.