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The result was Speedy delete, a7 - group with no assertion of notability. NawlinWiki 02:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tafurism[edit]

Delete-- WP:OR, we don't take original work. Also seems to fail notablility requirements. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

TheDailyNeopets[edit]

I fail to see how this website satisfies WP:WEB. Scobell302 01:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tom McNamara[edit]

Subject is nn. In addition, the article alleges without viewable citations that the person was a child molester and violates WP:WEASEL while doing so ("While in Mountshannon it is believed McNamara sexually abused Brendan O'Donnell...") If the subject was alive, this article would be a libel suit waiting to happen. Aaron 00:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete Mangojuicetalk 16:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of number-one hits on the Radio & Records CHR/Pop Chart (U.S.) and subpages[edit]

Before all of these are created, we should probably figure out whether annual charts are notable and not copyrighted. (The charts for 2005 hold the copyright notice © 2006 VNU eMedia Inc. All rights reserved., terms of use here). This AfD does not include the entry on Radio & Records itself, which should be notable, but all annual charts created as subpages. ~ trialsanderrors 07:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, trialsanderrors 00:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SAMIZDATamerica[edit]

Blogs, especially political ones, are a dime a dozen. I don't see what makes this particular one notable. Full disclosure: I prodded this for much the same reason and the tag was removed by the editor with nothing else added. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 00:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy deleted per G4 and A7. Konstable 06:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Ruge[edit]

This former A7 speedy article fails WP:BIO. I'm taking this to AfD due to its recreation. The 6 search results for the subject's name have nothing to do with the subject matter of the article. [4] Erechtheus 00:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Hocking[edit]

This fellow is a writer for the wrestling website Online Onslaught (which, I note, doesn't have an article, though its creator Rick Scaia oddly enough does), and is a former disc jockey, according to the article. There are approximately 1270 Google hits for "Matthew Hocking"[5] and six for "Matthew Hocking" Canadian Bulldog[6], as he's known. I don't think writing for a couple of wrestling websites now and again is notability enough for an article. Was deprodded without comment, so bringing here for discussion. Delete Tony Fox (arf!) 00:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. - Glen 15:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NELSAP[edit]

recreation of previously deleted article, prod removed with no explanation. Does not provide any independent evidence for notability. --Peta 01:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*Speedy delete per CSD G4. Already tagged. --Dennisthe2 17:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, they cite. Rescinded vote, cast as Abstain. --Dennisthe2 17:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP!

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The result was speedy keep per the nomination being withdrawn by the nominator. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 05:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of places in Idaho[edit]

This information is better served by an existing category.Dlohcierekim 01:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge. Petros471 12:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

James Doyle (Ferns)[edit]

I don't believe this person meets WP:BIO. There are only 59 ghits for " 'James Doyle' Clonard " [11], and roughly half of those refer to different individuals. Most of the direct ghits are from local Irish news sources about the subject's current trial. Suggest deletion or merging into The Ferns Report. Aaron 01:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of firearms in films[edit]

List of potentially unlimited size that would include every form of firearm ever in a film, from blunderbuss and muskets to modern machine guns, with a sub-list of each film said firearm appeared in. Delete as per Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information --Allen3 talk 01:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

**Silly Semantical Nitpic There is no way this article could have the potency to become unlimited in size as it would imply there are an unlimited number of movies to draw from.—Mitaphane talk 01:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of firearms in video games[edit]

List of potentially unlimited size that would include every form of firearm ever in a video game, from blunderbuss and muskets to modern machine guns, with a sub-list of each video game said firearm appeared in. Delete as per Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information Allen3 talk 01:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Technical communication (Forums)[edit]

List of links to forums. See Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not. User logged in long enough to contribute this list (Dec 2004) and apparently hasn't been back. Elf | Talk 01:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was SPEEDILY REDIRECTED. This is dupe content, but it has been merged. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sexuality of Adolf Hitler[edit]

It looks like this page has been nominated for deletion several times. I did some research and found that this information is already included in Adolf Hitler's medical health -- Stubbleboy 01:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. --- Glen 08:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Bethpage Masquers Guild[edit]

Organization that does not assert notability. Also appears to be unverifiable Canadian-Bacon t c e 01:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Voting in the Board election will end in less than two days.

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The result was no consensus. Specific and reasonable arguments for notability have got to prevail over those who claim a topic is non-notable. Verifiability is also raised as an issue, but the claims in the article are very basic, and do appear to be easily verifiable (although not sourced), and arguments are given that the information can be verified. Mangojuicetalk 19:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Unpopular Books[edit]

Can someone check out the following creations which hinge on unpopular.org.uk?
I don't say that they are not OK. I am just a bit suspicious. `'mikka (t) 01:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The articles listed by mikka are in desperate need of investigation. London Psychogeographical Association, for example, is a mash of unverifiability, weasel words and border-line nonsense. The article states that this is a "largely fictitious organisation" and that it is "best understood in the context of situationist praxis". I think a spate of AfD nominations may be in order. --IslaySolomon 06:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • AFAIK there are no specific notability criteria beyond the most basic ones for political or artistic movements. Most of the articles on Mikka's list seem to revolve around some sort of vague melange of Marxism and Dadaism, which makes me wondered whether these articles, any one of which might seem an eccentric performance, might be merged into some umbrella article about this particular tendency. - Smerdis of Tlön 16:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • If there are no specific criteria, then this discussion becomes a bit nebulous. I am happy to revise the article on the basis that Unpopular Books is notable for the works it has published rather than for being a publishing company. Googling for the company name alongside names of its authors like Stewart Home or Jean Barrot or Asger Jorn seems to generate a sensible number of hits. John Eden 11:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A POV summary of the reasons for deletion

1) That the publisher is unverifiable. It is easily verifiable that Unpopular Books has published a number of works. At least two contributors to this page own a number of them. As I have stated above, I feel that the texts they have published, and their authors, make them notable.

2) Walled Garden. Because Unpopular Books is in some way linked to other projects such as the LPA, etc, it forms part of a walled garden. I would dispute this. It is clear that authors published by Unpopular Books such as Stewart Home, Jean Barrot and Asger Jorn as well as the collected works of the Black Mask Group have a wide appeal. They are, individually, relatively obscure, but to my mind clearly notable within their respective fields. If people feel that pages on the Neoist Alliance, or LPA, or AAA or NLI should be deleted then I would think that individual calls for deletion should be done on those pages and not here. I note that nobody is proposing that Asger Jorn or Stewart Home be deleted from Wikipedia.

3) "An under-construction text based official website [15]". The page is about Unpopular Books and the works they have published, it is not a page about their website. Indeed it seems unlikely that "it wants to disprove its title using wikipedia as promo vehicle" if its own site is so minimal.

4) "dubious ghits (admittedly a very crude test in this case)". Indeed. As I have pointed out above, googling the authors or titles and Unpopular Books does give a reasonable number of hits for a project of this type (i.e. marginal, but still notable)

5) "Not a hope of passing WP:CORP." Again, as stated above, Unpopular Books is not notable because it is a huge multinational corporation with offices all over the world. It is notable because of the works and authors it has published.

6) "No assertion of notability (for the publisher)". As I have said above: "I am happy to revise the article on the basis that Unpopular Books is notable for the works it has published rather than for being a publishing company." I am unclear if I am entitled to do this whilst the deletion debate is ongoing.

I would invoke most of the reasons for not deleting covered here. I.e. wikipedia is not paper, there is a lack of objective criteria, etc.

It would be helpful if people could respond to these points rather than simply saying "delete" etc - it will add to my understanding of wikipedia if nothing else.

Finally, it seems that the creators of this article have not been informed, could the person who initiated the call for deletion do that? John Eden 14:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep (No consensus). --- Glen 07:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

911: In Plane Site[edit]

First deletion reason: Conspiracy cruft video. Fails to assert notability by reference to any reliable sources except a small town newspaper and the Portland alt-weekly (which even my garage band warrants). Fails Wikipedia:Notability (films), WP:RS, WP:NOR, WP:NOT, and WP:VAIN. Not available on Blockbuster or Netflix. Morton devonshire 01:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  1. The Danby comment "does not make the film notable" (TBC, just above).
  2. I believe that anyone can write an Amazon review. (The fact that Amazon sell the video is probably more significant than the review.)
  3. CNN interviews lots of people. Being interviewed by CNN or FOX is not a strong claim to notability; being the subject of news stories from multiple news shows, news agencies and/or newspapers would be a lot more significant.
Cheers, CWC(talk) 17:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  1. The Danby comment isn't the notable part. The broadcast of the movie on one of Australia's three major broadcast networks is.
  2. The fact that it is sold on Amazon doesn't seem to be a counterpoint.
  3. Not that it's a particularly respected show, but it is a nationally syndicated one: Coast to Coast AM has also had at least one discussion on the movie.
On another note, whether the movie is a hoax or potential disinformation is not relevant. Personally I think it's garbage, but that doesn't make it any less relevant.
Finally, as Edison stated, AfD should not be a "Pitch til you win " kiddie carnival game. It was nominated before and the result was keep. Yes, consensus can change, but this was just voted on six months ago. Seems there should be a bit more time between repeated AfD's. Sparkhead 11:11, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please address Wikipedia policy, rather than your personal opinions. See WP:CCC.Morton devonshire 18:34, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • From WP:CCC: If you think a consensual decision is outdated, you should ask around a bit (e.g. at the Village Pump) to see if people agree with you. You cannot declare a new consensus all by yourself. I don't see any discussion in this article's talk page about deletion, nor anything at WP:PUMP. I see no link in your nomination about you "asking around". Care to provide a link to some discussion you had before the AfD? Sparkhead 18:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's what Afd's are for -- to determine consensus. Morton devonshire 19:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

21 September 2006 (UTC)

  • There was an AfD, and a consensus was reached. The points raised in the first AfD still hold, and there are additional new reasons for keeping it mentioned above.
Some futher metadiscussion: You've clearly violated WP:CCC per above. It does reek of playing a "pitch til you win" game and this nomination, along with other non-policy-based deletion nominations you've put forth recently, border on disruptive behavior per WP:DEL#Renominations and recurring candidates, and WP:DEL#Abuse of deletion process, notably: XfD (deletion) processes are not a way to complain or remove material that is personally disliked, whose perspective is against ones beliefs, or which is not yet presented neutrally. I believe this AfD should be withdrawn for those reasons alone. Enjoy the rest of the discussion. Sparkhead 21:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What the hell are you talking about? Since when is it a wikicrime to put something up for afd? And a majority of editors seems to agree with morton that this isn't an article worth keeping --Peephole 22:47, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
When it becomes disruptive. And most editors DO NOT agree with the nomination, I think I'd re-read the comments on this page before making an over-broad statement like that. Shortfuse 23:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, it seems that only the US media isn't heavily covering this, but international media is. International opinion > US opinion, as this is en.wikipedia, rather than us.wikipedia (unfortunately, but it is what is is...). · XP · 00:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please stick with policy arguments, and avoid ad hominem attacks. Morton devonshire 23:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • You might want to familiarize yourself with the content of the page you linked before throwing around "ad hominem attack" accusations. There's nothing ad hominem about my statements. If you feel otherwise, feel free to take it to the appropriate conflict resolution channels. Sparkhead 00:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 18:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Catholicism in El Salvador[edit]

Reasons the article should be deleted
RickReinckens 01:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Information such an article should contain

These are some of the questions an encyclopedia article on "(any religion) in (any country)" should address.

RickReinckens 01:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think you need to give articles on countries in the developing world more time to grow. There is no Category:Wikipedians in El Salvador, the closest thing might be Category:Wikipedians in Honduras which has two people.--T. Anthony 18:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Claim: "Just because the topic is POTENTIALLY noteworthy is not reason enough to keep a BAD article on said topic". Response: Yes it is. -- Plutortalkcontribs 19:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've improved the article some and I even dealt with some of the problems the nominator mentioned. Although there's plenty of room for improvement.--T. Anthony 00:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect. If anyone wants to do any merging the history is still there. Petros471 12:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bad Boys of SNL[edit]

Original research. There is a "Bad Boys of SNL" TV special, but the term is not used elsewhere. The video could be referenced from the SNL page, but there is no 'group of actors' going by this name. Sparkhead 01:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Freedom Week[edit]

Delete. For the same reason stated at Freedom Alliance. --Stubbleboy 01:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of maps in Battlefield 2142[edit]

Inherently a game guide, providing little meaningful material and violating WP:NOT a crystal ball. Should therefore be deleted as gamecruft. Prod removed by IP. Daveydweeb (chat/patch) 02:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Additional note: This is a very similar deletion to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of maps in Company of Heroes, which I believe sets some precedent. Daveydweeb (chat/patch) 02:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Barbara Tarantino[edit]

Seems to be a non-notable painter. I googled her and found her own website and a few sites where anyone can list their own products. I found no indication that she has had any exhibitions in independent galleries, won any awards, articles written about her, etc. I realize this is a stub but without at least a little more it probably doesn't qualify as encyclopedic material. If she has had any exhibitions, awards, etc., adding that should be enough to justify keeping this. RickReinckens 01:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as author blanked content. The JPStalk to me 11:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph M. Le Doux[edit]

I don't see why this Ph.D is more notable then any other. This is not a CSD A7 as being a Ph.D asserts importance. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 02:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sullon zek[edit]

A defunct EverQuest server. There doesn't seem to be anything too special about it. I did a Google search which brought up a ton of hits (seeing as its Everquest), but no reliable sources to verify anything. The article was prodded for a while, and removed by an anon basically because he/she could. The vast majority of this article consists of cruft that would be better placed on personal webspace. Wafulz 02:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just checked, there is this article EverQuest special servers which with a little pruning, this article could easily fit into. FrozenPurpleCube 02:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The only verifiable material I could see being merged into there is the rules, and that's a little more detail than necessary. This could be maybe a one or two line mention in the article, with the article for deletion becoming a redirect at best, in my opinion. --Wafulz 03:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, and trimmed the information I put into EqSS accordingly. FrozenPurpleCube 03:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I could live with this being a redirect in that case. --Wafulz 03:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Then perhaps you might want to do some clean-up to it, though I do think having a re-direct to Everquest Special Servers is a better choice. FrozenPurpleCube 06:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Garboo[edit]

nn website, alexa of 1,215,622 [24] Giant onehead 02:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heroic Cinema[edit]

niche website, alexa of 658,601 [25] Giant onehead 02:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I think that is just idiotic to have reasoning like that. Just because you like a website does not mean it should be included here. The alexa rating is pitiful. There is not a single good reason for this site to have an article here. Giant onehead 05:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: please WP:AGF and remember WP:CIVIL. TbT never said he liked the site. He just seems to be of the opinion that WP:WEB should be applied leniently. --Storkk 11:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment changing to "weak delete" since something encyclopedic just might be possible. --Storkk 11:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 05:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Top Cartman Episodes[edit]

Spun off from main Eric Cartman page, but I see no encyclopedic value in including this list. Do we include every single "top X" list ever broadcast? Andrew Levine 02:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Then what, exactly, is the point of even having this page? Actually, if 'just don't read it' is a valid answer to questions of content merit on Wikipedia, what is the point of even having policies and guide lines in the first place? Why not just let absolutely anybody add absolutely anything? ~ Lav-chan 08:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The closing admin is likely to ignore your keep "vote" unless you substantiate it with good reasoning. Zunaid 15:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jabootu[edit]

nn niche site, alexa of 603,208 [26] Giant onehead 02:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Las Horas Perdidas[edit]

site is spanish, so it is not suitable for the English edition here, alexa rating is a modest 132,448 Giant onehead 02:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Glen 03:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

HOUSD[edit]

Webcomic not meeting WP:WEB. No reliable sources on this subject in the article or that I've found, which is in clear violation of WP:V. Its essentially a giant listing of every storyline/gag ever in the comic. Delete.

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The result was Delete. Glen 03:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Skyler technology[edit]

Judging by the fact that this article was created by an editor whose only other edits are adding to other articles a couple internal links to this article, I would say the article pretty clearly qualifies as spam. It reads like a press release or corporate website "About" page, and the article's subject appears to be a small, non-notable California technology company with only one product. There are no links to the page from other articles, now that I have reverted the article creator's two edits to other articles on the grounds that they were link spam. I placed the article up for proposed deletion, but the article creator removed the template. Nevertheless, I feel this article is unencyclopedic and amounts to little more than an advertisement or corporate directory entry, and should be deleted. --Slowking Man 03:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 15:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The MySpace Movie[edit]

Non-notable movie, with neither an IMDB profile [28] or a Rotten Tomatoes profile [29]. Hasn't been mentioned in any non-trivial, notable media sources; and only 198 unique Google results, most of which are links to forums, blogs, and myspace profiles. [30]--TBCTaLk?!? 03:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well then why not add the references, tidy it up but not delete it? As noted above it has got a considerable amount of media attention in prestige publications - internet driven or not.Citizensmith 15:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I went and added the references to the reactions section. The article does need quite a bit of work to bring it to Wikipedia standards, but I think that the subject is worth keeping for now. -- The Bethling(Talk) 21:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
After checking the "eggtea" Youtube reference in that article via Google I see it did have over 7 million plays on that account. See Google cache [36]Citizensmith 23:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)][reply]
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Islamikaze[edit]

Brought up by myself at DRV[37] over the first deletion result (no consensus, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islamikaze), a recommendation for a second AfD was put forward. I'll paste the post of User:Samuel Blanning that best describes the reasons for deletion:

There was a significant majority for deletion, and the keep proponents, on whom there is the burden to prove the article's worthiness for an encyclopaedia, did not demonstrate that this is a term discussed by reliable sources (rather than just used in passing). Reliable sources that discuss the term are required if we are to write a verifiable article, as opposed to an article trying to cobble together a meaning from passing mentions (i.e. original research by synthesis). The keep proponents refer only to a Google search (which is worthless, gfdgf, which I typed in by hitting my keyboard at random, turns up over 10,000 hits) and a BBC article which does not mention the word anywhere. Oh, and the famed 'there are other articles like this' argument, which should be cause for immediate speedy deletion until people stop using it. Nothing has apparently altered since the AfD, as the article itself currently only contains a reference to Google Groups, a supposed use by a journalist in his blog which I can't even find in the page linked to, and a use in the title of someone's book. Administrators do of course have discretion in closing AfDs, so I mean no disrespect to Deathphoenix, but deletion review has the discretion to overturn them, and I think we should in this case, even if the AfD is quite old. We could also relist, but in my opinion the old AfD and the non-negotiability of verifiability is sufficient grounds to delete. --Sam Blanning(talk) 22:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In my own opinion on the matter I see it as nothing more than a tiny internet neologism that hasn't met widespread use beyond non-notable unreliable sources. –– Lid(Talk) 03:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's not really an internet term -- it's a term coined by one professor, Rafael Israeli. (Google scholar will get you 40 hits, but they're all to Israeli's books and articles, or to people discussing his works). Contrary to the initial nomination, the origin and use of the term are verifiable by reliable sources -- the only question is whether it's notable. TheronJ 00:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Verifiability. Per WP:NEO, the origin of the term is now verified by reliable, secondary sources. As shown by the article, the term was coined by Professor Rafael Israeli in a 1997 article, and Israeli has been using it ever since. US Senator Sam Nunn discusses the coinage of the term in one of his own scholarly articles and discusses whether the distinction between suicidal motives and military motives on the part of the bombers may be helpful in profiling possible bombers. The article also cites to two other scholarly articles attributing the creation of the term to Professor Israeli and discussing the term. In particular, the article as written today seems to address all of Sam Blanning's (and, by incorporation, Lid's) concerns in full.
  • Notability: This is closer. Google scholar will get you about 40 hits, most of which are Israeli himself or citations to Israeli. Some people, such as Nunn, have used the term in passing, and Bat Ye'or uses the term repeatedly in her book Eurabia. I'm an inclusionist (plus I just did all that work), so I'd prefer to keep it.

Thanks, TheronJ 15:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep but subject to conditions. The article has reliable sources, but inline citations appear to be pointing to blogs. Unless credibility of these blogs are properly established, they must be removed and replaced by the news reports as listed in the article as per WP:BLP. If the editors fail to fulfill this requirement after a reasonable period, please feel free to nominate it for deletion again (rather than running the risk). - Mailer Diablo 15:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deborah Frisch[edit]

This article seems to have been created simply to embarass its subject, who is non-notable. SkipSmith 04:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then how about removing all the blogs and personal websites cited as sources in the article and replacing them with more reliable sources? I see the potential for notability but will avidly disregard anything blog related. 205.157.110.11 10:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete, even after repair. Fails the so-called "100-year test". --Aaron 16:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The most intense internet dispute to date? Very well-known blogs? Do you have any reliable sources for these claims? SkipSmith 06:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pringles (game)[edit]

Non-notable game. Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day. That goes for the beach as well [38]. Húsönd 04:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This game is a very popular game in that part of the world. Wikipedia is a global enyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pringles123456789 (talk • contribs)

The most recent edits were not made by me. At the moment, this page is in order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pringles123456789 (talk • contribs)

Indeed, they seem to have been made by Jbabcock (talk · contribs), whose only contributions are to that article. This seems to be a single purpose account used only to vandalise the Pringles (game) article. JIP | Talk 10:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bircas hatorah[edit]

This article contains promotional information taken from Yeshivat Bircas Hatorah's website. The yeshiva itself appears to be small and non-notable Eliyak T·C 04:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was CANCELLED. Sock run. -Splash - tk 17:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Dellegatto[edit]

Non-notable local Amreican weather presenter. Fails Wikipedia:Notability (people) . First vote was filled with CFIF sockpuppet nonsense and was undeleted. Lets have a clean vote this time! Lost Knob 05:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge. Petros471 12:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List_of_LEXX_planets[edit]

The page is unencyclopeadic, and not nessecary. It should be merged with the LEXX article.

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The result was delete. —freak(talk) 19:13, Sep. 22, 2006 (UTC)

Get married in dubai[edit]

Prod'd but prod tag removed. WP:NOT a how-to/travel guide, WP:OR, essay, advert... anything else? --AbsolutDan (talk) 05:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, booyakasha. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fat ali (rapper)[edit]

Musician is non-notable. Fails the "Google test"; the only result is for the already referenced MySpace link. Tagged for Speedy Deletion twice, but tags were removed. -- Dcflyer 06:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC).[reply]

The AfD template was removed and this discussion deleted (by Allllllll), but now restored. -- Dcflyer 07:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC). Removed twice. -- Dcflyer 07:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC). Now a third time by 24.82.232.122. -- Dcflyer 08:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC) And a fourth by 24.82.232.122. --Casper2k3 02:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD page currently vandalized 10 times. -- Dcflyer 05:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 05:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Riot magazine[edit]

Vanispamcruftisement for a magazine claiming an Australia-wide circulation of 30,000. According to its website, it's only 5 issues old. Originally prodded by me, prod tag removed without any explanation. Coredesat talk! 06:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Merge & Redirect into Christchurch Casino. Glen 03:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kiwi Gaming[edit]

Violates WP:NOT - Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising Richard 06:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Per discussion with User:RRay below, I am now in favor of redirecting this article to Christchurch Casino, the parent company of the Kiwi Gaming website. That article is itself a stub but, based on a Google search of "Christchurch Casino", I believe that there is enough material to expand the article to meet Wikipedia quality standards. I invite all those who "voted" to delete the article to re-consider their decision and change their "votes" to redirect. --Richard 05:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Fair enough. Do the editing and I'll change my vote. Or, wait for the AFD to complete and recreate the article in keeping with Wikipedia guidelines. --Richard 19:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've edited it. It's not perfect yet, but it's not an advertisement anymore either. Rray 00:20, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - Per Richard's suggestion above. Rray 22:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The rewrite is an improvement but it still violates Wikipedia is not a link farm. An adequate article in my opinion would be one that discusses the company's history, its officers, annual revenue, profit, etc. Otherwise, the article still looks like its more intended to attract business than it is intended to describe the business. Also, even if the preceding information were provided, the company would still have to meet Wikipedia guidelines for notability of companies. I suspect the ultimate solution is to have an article on the parent company, Christchurch Casino, with Kiwi Gaming as a section within that article. --Richard 01:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Since there's only one external link, I hardly think it violates Wikipedia is not a link farm. But your ultimate solution sounds reasonable - I'll work on it.Rray 01:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The critical piece, as I see it, is having the article reference publications which mention the company without being just a regurgitation of a press release or a trade publication interview with the company. In other words, it must be a "real" news article and not just some sycophantic trade journal article which is a PR promotion disguised as a news article. Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations) provides the details.
As for the current version of the article "having only one external link"... please... don't insult my intelligence and I won't insult yours.
--Richard 04:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. I have no idea how I might have insulted your intelligence, but I'm sure sorry if you feel that way. Rray 12:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, perhaps I should have assumed good faith. The bulk of the article remains a list of Internet sites which, while they are not formatted as clickable URLs and are not placed in the External Links section, are still nothing more than a list of external websites. Moreover, the formatting is such that the listing of these websites takes up a prominent part of the article. It wouldn't be so bad if the list of websites was 5-10% of the article and provided as a simple list separated by commas. Putting them in bullet points with section titles for each grouping causes them to dominate the article. Thus, despite Torimadi's comment below, the article still looks to me like a solicitation for people to visit the gambling sites. I'm not familiar with other articles on Internet gambling in Wikipedia but, if they are all like this one, they are all candidates for deletion. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations) and make the article conform to the requirements therein.
Actually, since they have a parent company in Christchurch Casinos, this should be redirected and added as a subcategory of that article, like you suggested earlier. That would be consistent with how other gambling companies are handled. Rray 21:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The new article looks great. I think we should move forward with the redirect. Rray 01:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa there, hoss. Slow down. I'm glad that we could forge a compromise between the two of us but we can't just slough off the opinions of the other editors who have chimed in on this discussion. For a fuller explanation, see this conversation on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). What we need to do now is get enough of the "delete" votes to switch to "redirect". I have started the process by expressing my change of opinion immediately below the nomination. You can help by contacting (OK, spamming) each of the "delete" votes and asking them to reconsider their vote. --Richard 05:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Probably should take your own advice. First, you inappropriately put up an article for afd that should have been prodded instead. An article did not belong under this name since that is not how any other similar articles are done. Second, you seem to have not assumed anything like good faith a couple times, the second time saying "Whoa there, hoss. Slow down" when Rray simply said to move ahead with the redirect. I'd suggest being a little more deliberate, especially before starting premature things like this. 2005 06:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... you're mixing together a bunch of things that are not necessarily related. I will address them individually though not necessarily in order.
First, as far as I can tell, the choice between PROD and AFD is the nominator's call. If the nominator thinks that it is unlikely that the PROD will be objected to, he can PROD the article in order to shorten the process required for deletion. I admit that I chose AFD as the conservative route since I'm not particularly experienced in CSD and PROD. I can understand being criticized for SPEEDY'ing an article that didn't meet the criteria. I didn't think this article met the criteria for speedy deletion although, on reflection, it was pretty close to meeting "No content whatsoever. Any article consisting only of links elsewhere". I didn't think the article was likely to be PROD-worthy because, if nothing else, I expected the author of the article to object. Frankly, I just can't make any sense out of your criticism here. Maybe you can enlighten me as to what you think I should have done instead of nominating this article for AFD.
Second, I reject any suggestion that AFD'ing this article was "premature". Perhaps you meant something else. I welcome an elucidation of your meaning.
Third, as far as my failing to Assume Good Faith, I really thought that RRay could understand what I meant when I characterized his article as still violating "WP is not a link farm". I didn't think I had to spell it out for him. Turns out I was wrong so I apologized. BTW, in my humble opinion, the new Christchurch Casino article still violates "WP is not a link farm" and "WP is not hosting service for advertisements and promtotions" as it stands but has the potential to become a real article if someone will put real effort into expanding it.
Given the repeated failure to add any substantive encyclopedic information about Kiwi Gaming OR Christchurch Casino into either article, I find it increasingly difficult to assume good faith. I have Googled Christchurch Casino so I know that there is some encyclopedic material out there on the Net. Presumably there is more available from sources that are not on the Net e.g. number of employees, annual revenue, whether it is the only casino in Christchurch, the largest or just one among many. What is the nature of the corporation? (Private or public) Who owns it? Who are the management? Etc., etc. So why hasn't that material been added? The failure to address these issues suggests an assumption that promotion of the online gambling websites is the primary agenda here. I have turned unacceptable articles into acceptable articles in far less time than has been elapsed since this article was nominated for AFD. Just today, I have done this with respect to the Poverty in India article. If you really believe that this material is encyclopedic then it is incumbent on you to raise the quality of the article to meet Wikipedia's standards. I considered doing it but I figured there are enough "Keep" votes here to share the work.
The "I won't insult your intelligence" bit was borderline uncivil and I apologize for that. I believe I provided adequate links for RRay to acquaint himself with Wikipedia policy. Skirting around the "not a link farm" policy by claiming "only one external link" is asking a bit much.
Fourth, the "Whoa there, hoss" may have been a bit over-familiar and jocular but the point remains that there are procedural issues that need to be dealt with regarding the Redirect before we could "move ahead with the Redirect". RRay didn't hint that he was aware of these issues and I frankly wanted to check on my understanding before committing to a particular stance here. So I did just that over at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy).
--Richard 07:44, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Heh. I didn't think that anyone was going to move ahead with the redirect without discussing it (and not just on my say-so.). I was just expressing my opinion about what we should do next at this point. Sorry if that wasn't clear; I have no problem with folks discussing this first. Rray 12:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Restore Foam[edit]

Advertising. Product does not meet WP notability criteria. 347 Google hits, with no third-party writeups as far as I can tell. Two Prod tags and one advert tag have been removed. The article was created by a director of the company which makes this product. I sincerely compliment him for being honest about it. Kla'quot Sound 06:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This particular product sector is rapidly evolving with new developments in products which will in turn need definition. Such as the slimline memory foam mattress. Restore is the only manufacturer of this product which is worth differentiating from a more standard mattress. There are also other developments of Memory Foam applications such as memory foam pet beds. For this reason please advise on how this article should be changed. Regards. RestoreFoam 10:54, 22 September 2006

Sure. There are some useful guidelines here. See also Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations). Regards, Kla'quot 17:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Please note that whilst I've recreated the article as a redirect to UNC-Duke rivalry, that is not part of this afd closure, the redirect destination can be changed via discussion on the article's talk page. Petros471 13:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

University of New Jersey at Durham[edit]

Non-notable nickname for Duke used by UNC fans. By this logic, the most trivial of nicknames deserves its own article. Seems fine to me that's it's mentioned in UNC-Duke rivalry, but doesn't merit its own article, in my opinion. Bluedog423Talk 06:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jake Chinwamo[edit]

Stumbled on this while tagging nonsense articles of the original creator, Jchinwamo (talk · contribs), for deletion. Given the single edit beyond the recent nonsense articles creation and the username of the creator of the article this is obviously a case of WP:Vanity by the author. The mp3 address lists the group but nothing about them to assert notability. A search for the comic mentioned has been fruitless and even if it does exist it's admitted in the article it was only seen by a niche audience. –– Lid(Talk) 07:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was CANCELLED due to repeated sockery. -Splash - tk 17:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Roy Leep[edit]

Non-notable local Amreican weather presenter. Fails Wikipedia:Notability (people) . First vote was filled with CFIF sockpuppet nonsense and was undeleted. Lets have a clean vote this time! Lost Knob 08:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Petros471 12:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Austin Osueke[edit]

This article is about the founder of Eigomanga. An article already exists for the company. Outside of this context, he is not particularly notable; most of the article is about his various jobs, such as a translator and consultant. None of the material in the article is referenced, and it generally reads as a vanity article, especially if the edit history is taken into account. A Google search yields only about sixty or so references to Eigomanga's Austin Osueke, most from press releases. Very few articles link to this article, all of which appear to have been linked after-the-fact by editors to this article. In short, if the subject of this article should be mentioned at all, it should be in the Eigomanga article (perhaps this could be redirected there). --Slowking Man 08:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Big Brother (USA season 8)[edit]

The article doesn't provide anything that isn't already assumed, none of it is sourced, and some of it is speculation. J Ditalk 08:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bldea[edit]

Contested prod about a school that fails to assert notability. MER-C 09:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Wong (YAF)[edit]

Vanity, notablity. In my opinion, an autobiographical article (created by the subject). I dont think this is notable enough for wikipedia, possibly vanity page. MidgleyDJ 09:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aruna gaur[edit]

Indian village mayor who lost some elections on a provincial and/or national level. Fails WP:BIO, unsourced. Her non-governmental efforts might be notable, but I could not verify them. Prod removed by anon without improvement. Delete. Huon 09:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as WP:CSD#A7. Kusma (討論) 11:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wesley Armson[edit]

Not notable, speedy and prod deleted by anon (or the user who just logged out). -- TexMurphy 10:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

El rancho charter school[edit]

poorly written and poorly formatted article about "the coolest middle school" (to 7th grade). Delete as crufty and unencyclopaedic. Ohconfucius 10:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep, and move to "(meteorologist)" I guess. — CharlotteWebb 17:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dave Freeman (weatherman)[edit]

Non-notable, seems like a vanity page. Amnewsboy 10:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Oh. And i'm not sure about the '(weatherman)' part. Are we supposed to use a more neutral term (like 'weather presenter' or 'meteorologist' or something)? My personal instinct is to change it, but i'm not sure about the guide lines or anything. ~ lav-chan @ 13:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Nothing wrong with 'weatherman', but 'meteorologist' sounds more professional. Ohconfucius
  • Comment: The reason I brought it up is, simply put, an overwhelming majority of other local TV meteorologists don't have their own Wiki pages (in fact, almost none do)... Furthermore, a fellow met at his own station had his article AFD'ed within the past week.[42] --Amnewsboy 13:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Actually, several weather people have articles. Jim Cantore, Betty Davis, Rich Johnson, Jennifer Lopez (no, not that one), Mike Seidel, Hillary Andrews, John Hope, those are just the ones that are linked to from The Weather Channel. Of course, that doesn't necessarily say anything about the notability of those people (or the quality of their articles, for that matter), but the point is it's not unprecedented. If well-known weather personalities (like the ones who cover major cities) aren't represented in Wikipedia, it's not necessarily for lack of notability. Just lack of an interest in writing about them. :shrug: ~ lav-chan @ 14:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: In this case, would Wichita be considered major enough a city to do so? (I'm not trying to be argumentative, I swear -- I just worry that it opens a can of worms, where ever local TV anchor, weather guy, and sports guy ends up getting his/her own Wiki page. --Amnewsboy 05:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I dunno. I guess, in addition to professional notability (i.e., awards), there could be some kind of cut-off for population or for the number of people the broadcast reaches, but i couldn't say off the top of my head. For what it's worth, KSN claims to reach half of all households in Kansas, which is like a million people. ~ lav-chan @ 17:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 15:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Kieran[edit]

Completing AFD by an IP, deletion reason was "self promotion/ advertisement". Abstain MER-C 10:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was flagged as copyvio. MER-C 12:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Conrad Goode[edit]

Non notable article and is just a copy of the IMDB biography. BertieBasset 11:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedily deleted as copyvio ("© 2004-2005 Miles Consulting Corp") by Uncle G. MER-C 11:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Miles Consulting Corp[edit]

It might be possible to write an article about this corporation, but the current incarnation is vanity/advertising by User:Milesconsultingcorp. We should NOT let advertising hang around while we wait for a valid article. Delete. - Mgm|(talk) 11:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mb air systems ltd[edit]

Fails WP:CORP, 27 distinct Google hits (50 if you remove the ltd), no other notable properties. Prod removed by IP user without comment. Fram 11:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aegee television[edit]

nn web video site, alexa rating of 1,738,106 [43] Giant onehead 22:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ExecUtron Technologies[edit]

WP:SPAM Archibald99 19:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Petros471 12:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MYSTERY (log canoe)[edit]

Um... a canoe. I don't see the notability of this. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 00:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A somewhat revised version is now in place, making the boat's significance clearer. --Huon 13:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry? My French definitely is rusty, but the online translator I used gave: "No place Rhône that we!" Is that a quote I don't know, or what is it supposed to mean? --Huon 18:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More Fish[edit]

Looks like crytalballing to me. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 00:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 19:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Paul W. Dillon Home[edit]

Does not look notablile. Also can we answear the general question of, is everything that is on the national registry notable? Depending on the response to the last question should deciede if this is a keep or a delete. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 02:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, perhaps not

Maybe, maybe not, depends on your perspective I guess. Dillon figures prominently in the history of Sterling, Illinois. I don't know thoughA mcmurray 05:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sin Boards[edit]

I believe that this is a non-notable messageboard. We don't, for example, have an article about the University of Michigan's forum. Or most university forums for that matter. ~crazytales56297 - t-e 23:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Yanksox 12:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Soulframe[edit]

Main claim to fame is that a band member is on Australian Idol. Would probably not have been created otherwise. Serserse 03:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

T'lan Imass[edit]

delete I see no reason to keep this page It has no weight to add, nor is of any real import. Please vote —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mystar (talk • contribs) 14:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This is not a vote. Rationales based upon our Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines are important here. "I see no reason to keep." is not such a rationale, notice. Uncle G 12:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
appreciated. Without the low standards, the hundreds of pages devoted to fictional universes couldn't exist, and all the sci-fi/fantasy geeks (myself included) would be bereft.WLU 22:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As for WP:FICT, the T'lan Imass are a major race in the series, comparable to the Wookies in Star Wars or the Vulcans from Star Trek, they are present in 5/6 books and have big roles in the plot. As for secondary sources, it is unlikely you will ever get secondary sources on any work of fiction - by necessity you are working within the canon. By nature, secondary sources would only happen when you get people writing theses or major literary analyses of big books, a la Tolkien and so forth. If you look at the Star Wars main page, the references are to George Lucas' work, not SW per se, and the sub-pages contain lots of text, some to encyclopaedias about the universe, but also references to the actual novels. I would think that using the original works is a necessity, and the standards are maintained by peers who have read it rather than continuous references to page numbers.WLU 12:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 15:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled Metallica album[edit]

Delete -- While yes It is almost certain that they will release a 10th album, when is unknown and it will not be called "Untitled"; this is comeplete crystal balling. (copied the opposed prod text. Personally, every band can have an untitled + some number.` —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Taran'atar[edit]

This is a page for a fictional character who never appeared in the TV series, only un-notable, non-canon books. Philip Stevens 11:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Box the handle[edit]

This entry fails WP:NEO and is basically a dictionary definition. This is a failed prod/prod2. --Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 12:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Astoria-Pacific International[edit]

This entry has been re-written avoiding copyright concerns, but now, and did not before, meet the criteria of WP:CORP. --Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 12:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wa Ji[edit]

This entry fails WP:NEO and also WP:WINAD. A failed prod. Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 12:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PTools[edit]

This entry fails the criteria of WP:CORP. Based on the fact the creator's id is from the corp, it likely also fails WP:OR and WP:VANITY. Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 12:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Beacon Center[edit]

This seems to be an advertisement for a non-notable place. --NE2 13:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 15:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newton Earp[edit]

Non notable person, fails WP:BIO. Being related to some famous persons does not make you automatically famous as well. A feeble 66 distinct Google hits, 169 hits in total. This is not caused by the lack of info on historical figures on the internet, if you compare it to the 1.4 million hits for Wyatt Earp or even the 35,000 for Virgil Earp. Newton Earp lived an uneventful life and had an uneventful death: a passing mention on the Wyatt Earp article, if needed, will suffice. Fram 13:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ReplyOther articles are normally not considered relevant to decide if some AfD is valid or not, and to decide if some article is worth keeping or not. We have a guideline, WP:BIO, nd I see not one criterion that Newton Earp comes even close to. Those royals at least will have had their share of publicity in the gossip pages, which lifts them barely higher (but I wouldn't mind seeing a lot of them gone). Do you have any reason why this particular person deserves his own article? Fram 19:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for "figurines", it was not intentional. I meant figures. And your example is incorrect, since each of the Jackson Five are famous for being a member of the band. Newton Earp is famous for... well, nothing actually. Fram 05:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Newton Earp is not famous, that is correct. However, how many of the Jackson Five can most people name? I'd say two, maybe three. Newton Earp is part of the Earp family, and, much like Paris Hilton, is famous for nothing more than family ties. However, it is notable and part of what shaped Wyatt Earp, as he ran away from home more than once to be like his three older brothers who were serving in the army at the time. I believe the article should remain because it helps identify and define who Wyatt Earp was, and, although the man himself may not be famous, his family is. That's my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.47.88.133 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 22 September, 2006
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mymidishare[edit]

A contested prod that does not assert the notability of its subject. MER-C 13:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

World Innovation Foundation[edit]

This article, written by an editor with the same name as the contact given for the WIF, makes extraordinary claims -- the planned construction of a global science city being the most remarkable, with the huge number of claimed Nobelist members not being far behind. (The same editor has also linked large numbers of scientists' Wikipedia articles to this article, and also to the WIF website; so many that I blocked them for linkspamming.)

Yet, apart from a number of distinguished academics having accepted fellowships and other awards offered in letters from the WIF, there seems to be remarkably little evidence to back up its claims that does not come, directly or indirectly, from the WIF itself. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#World Innovation Foundation for more discussion about this, and details of some of the concerns about verifying the WIF's claims.

I propose that we delete this article unless verifiable evidence can be provided for the assertions in this article. If the WIF is an organization of the size and significance asserted by the article, it should have no difficulty doing so. -- The Anome 13:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(Also, if we delete this article, I believe that we should also delete the related article Xanthos Menelaou, from the same author.) -- The Anome 14:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that the Xanthos article reeks of being part of a hoax/scam/crank effort too, though I also noticed that the US newspaper The Christian Science Monitor picked the ridiculous "Mighty Aphrodite" story up. This is why we need to be absolutely stringent about requiring multiple, non-trivial independent reliable sources - yes, I'm looking at you, The Game (game). Bwithh 22:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Aw crap, I ran a Factiva search, and it looks like UK newspapers The Independent, The Sunday Times and the The Express on Sunday picked up the Xanthos and his BS Aphrodite statue story too. Though that and the CSM article are all the hits in the database. I apologize for my country's laughable newspapers. (And I'm deeply disappointed in you, Christian Science Monitor). Though to be fair, from the reports, Cyprus's Ministry of Tourism got caught up the excitement of Xanthos' brilliant scheme too. Um, Xanthos is probably not a straightforward speedy delete candidate any more - sorry <=P Bwithh 22:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. If it exists as claimed in the article, complete with its Swiss foundation and planned global research city on its way, then it is certainly notable, and the article should be kept. If it turns out to be one man with a letterhead and big dreams, then it probably isn't. -- The Anome 17:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying they're a hoax: rather, I'm looking for evidence that their assertions are true, as per WP:V This is all quite normal stuff: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, burden of proof lies with the proposer, etc. -- The Anome 18:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But our analysis that leads to the conclusion of hoax/crank/scam institute is original research in itself. The only purpose for it is that we identify it for what it is in order to delete it. Without reliable sources for denoting it as a hoax, it'd be original research to have it as an article about a hoax. --Kevin_b_er 00:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 15:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Carlsbad grimple[edit]

Fails WP:V and WP:NEO. Doesn't appear to be in widespread currency - 129 Google results, and only 12 unique results (none of them from a reliable source). makomk 13:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Only reference is to a joke news show and Urban dictionary, and shame on Urban dictionary for allowing this. DJ Clayworth 16:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Marie Delacroix[edit]

Look, I love me some System Shock 2 as much as the next old school computer gamer, but having individual pages on characters who just appear in log messages in the game is (a) too spoilerish and (b) too fancrufty. It's fine to mention the notable characters in the main System Shock 2 article. It's over the top to have this in its own article. Nandesuka 15:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider this AfD to apply to Anatoly Korenchkin, also. Nandesuka 15:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well to a certain extent I agree with you, even though I was the one who originally made this page. It isn't really enough info for an individual page. However, I don't think it should be deleted outright, rather it should be merged into another SS2 related article such as the Trioptimum article. Deleting it seems a little harsh in my estimation. -- Grandpafootsoldier 00:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Odious[edit]

An article on this band was previously deleted as a result of discussion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Odious. It appears that nothing has changed since then. I could have speedied it as a recreation of deleted content, or as a nonnotable band... however, I chose to bring it to AfD because repeated recreation of deleted content may be evidence for notability. I am not taking a stand one way or the other on that possibility, but I wanted to make sure it got a fair hearing. Powers T 13:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, after considering arguments presented, not !vote numbers. Petros471 13:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Advanced Driving UK[edit]

Probably well-intentioned, because some thought has gone in to categories and "see also" links, but this appears to be an advert for a website and may not be sufficiently notable. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 12:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Advanced Driving UK is a recongised road safety organisation in the UK and referenced in many places on the internet as the definitive resource for advanced driving information. The article will be expanded by ADUK members to bring together the knowledge on Advanced Driving gained from the site. Should the article be deleted there would also be such consideration of the deletion of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Advanced_Motorists which is a blatent advert. Gerovitus 14:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Slashdot has its own wikipedia page! How is ADUK much different? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.30.198.101 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC).[reply]
I've struck out the comment about categories and links because I notice that it's lifted from another article (Institute of Advanced Motorists) – not saying that's a bad thing; merely that it loses the strength I'd assigned it in my first sentence. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 22:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please quote which part was lifted. You'll probably find the external links where modified on the IAM article in accordance with similar resources after the ADUK article was created. Gerovitus 22:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Gerovitus, please note that (as I said) I'm not suggesting anything bad has happened, merely choosing to retract a bit of my comment. But also: sorry! Because I see that you're absolutely correct, and I got it backwards about the fact that the "see also" (though not the categories) was new to the IAM article on September 5th. However, I stand by my point that however excellent the Advanced Driving UK website may be, (and I don't want to knock it as a site), it may not be notable enough for WP. The bottom line though is that the Institute of Advanced Motorists is different because it's a long-established registred Charity which does things in the physical world and is recognised by many insurance companies, which makes it notable. A website ought to be pretty special to be notable on Wikipedia. As has been noted below, Slashdot meets that criteria by having a very large number of users indeed. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 22:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
ADUK has links with one of the largest insurance broker's in the UK. The IAM qualification is only officially recognised by AON (IAM Select). The IAM's charity documents clearly show the IAM's commercial goals, they're article is an advert. Gerovitus 22:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It would help the article's case then, to include those links with the insurance broker. And also, if you think the IAM article is an advert, that's not a defence of your article, it's a reason to change the IAM one, or nominate it for deletion also, surely? – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 22:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fair comment Kieran. Gerovitus 23:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Leftwaffe[edit]

This is a non-notable neologism. There are 89 unique search engine results, none of which establish a reason for this term to be in this encyclopedia at the present time[58]. Deprodded after 4+ days by the creator, who saw fit to make no changes to the article and to make no comments as to why he felt it appropriate to save this article. Erechtheus 13:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dead Davey[edit]

Claims notability but very few Ghits[59][60]. Speedy and prod tags deleted by author. -- TexMurphy 13:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted, recreation of previously deleted and userfied article, CSD A7, CSD G4 -- The Anome 12:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gavin O'Brien[edit]

Vanity page and duplicate text from the user's page Janarius 14:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

India Students' Association Saskatoon[edit]

I prodded it, and it was de-prodded by article creator Raguks under the reasoning: ISA is one of the useful organisation. Many look for ISA to know oppurtunity in Canada. That is a sufficient notability. While it may be useful, so are lots of businesses that still fail WP:CORP. Even aside from questionable notability, this seems to be a fairly young student group; while they can't all be Skull and Bones, there doesn't seem to be enough history, notable alumni, etc. to compose a decent article with. If all the contact information and so on was removed from the article, we'd be stuck with a permanent 3-sentence stub. SnowFire 14:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The problem is that it's sometimes difficult to tell the difference between an actually relevant organization who simply has a cruddy stub (like many genuinely relevant historical figures) and spam. If someone (preferably not me) is feeling bloodthirsty enough, Category:Students' unions seems a veritable hive of organizations of questionable notability. PSA RWTH, CODON (study association), and DESI Develop Empower Synergize India seems to be 3 for 3 in clicking random entries and finding articles of unclear importance. There are probably more in the national subdivisions, but at least for the US, there's a maze of similarly-named frats which are hard to differentiate, at least for me, and thus probably unsuitable for a mass deletion attempt. SnowFire 03:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect Danity Kane (album). It was already done during the afd and EndlessVince seems to have commented on the album itself. Someone might look for the song so a redirect is better than deletion, but a supposed single that might be released next may won't make a good article by itself. - Bobet 15:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Want It[edit]

Should either not be listed or should be in the group's own article Springnuts 19:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This AFD was incomplete. Fixed now. Yomanganitalk 14:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SecurStar[edit]

No claim of notability beyond an uncited magazine award. Delete per WP:CORP. Haakon 14:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The magazine is already cited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fvianna (talk • contribs) 07:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Delete. Advertising spam. SkipSmith 22:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heaven of Transnistria[edit]

Original research, "joke", hoax, WP:NPOV, WP:V. I'm not sure there is a policy this page doesn't violate. - FrancisTyers · 14:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Data are sourced - there are links who prove the corectness of data from this article. So, there is no original research and no WP:V issue. Regarding WP:NPOV this is not a reason for deletion. In talk page of the article I agred to have a neutrality warning until the final version will be done.--MariusM 22:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closing admin. The creator of the article, EvilAlex has engaged in "vote stacking". [61] - FrancisTyers · 17:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Mauco, is a misconception that you need to cleanup every single article about Transnistria from Wikipedia. There is place here for other opinions about Transnistria than yours. Maybe you have a longer period as Wikipedian, but I don't know if you have a longer life experience or a better knowledge about Transnistria than the contributors at this article.--MariusM 19:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No comment. (Don't want to bait a troll). - Mauco 21:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: It is forbidden the use of sock puppets for voting purposes. See WP:SOCK.--Húsönd 14:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Was that a delete or a keep? - Mauco 21:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A Delete :-) bogdan 21:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note: MariusM placed a notice on Wikipedia talk:Romanian Wikipedians' notice board 18:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC) notifying people of this deletion and specifically requesting a keep vote. I notice that no one made a note of that here. - Jmabel | Talk 04:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 16:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Crack (craic)[edit]

Wikipedia is not a dictionary. The article merely describes the usage and origins of the word, which are perfectly appropriate topics for a dictionary, but not an encyclopedia. Both spellings of the word are already in Wiktionary so no need to transwiki. Recury 14:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • It doesn't go past an entry in a dictionary at all. It just gives the meaning, the usage and the word origin. Recury 16:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Either way, this is a cultural concept that is definitely notable enough to merit inclusion, but which cannot be covered adequately by any one existing article. The existing article may be far from perfect, but, in this case, deletion is not the answer. --IslaySolomon 19:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notability is not the issue here. This is an encyclopedia. WP:NOT is not a guideline, it's a policy, and it's not negotiable. Recury 20:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Everything is negotiable in Wikipedia. In addition, the WP:NOT policy states: However, it may be important in the context of an encyclopedia article to describe just how a word is used to distinguish among similar, easily confused ideas, as in nation or freedom. In some special cases an article about an essential piece of slang may be appropriate. This is one of those special cases. If the current article is insufficient, then we need to expand it, not delete it. Jimgawn 12:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The current title, Crack (craic), is appropriate; Craic would perpetuate the misconception, which has arisen in the last 20 years or so, that the word was borrowed into English from Irish, when the reverse is the case. (Much more on this on the talk page.) Jimgawn 22:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dyadem International[edit]

Fails WP:CORP, non notable company, less than 1,000 Google hits (even less distinct ones of course), which isn't a lot for a software company Fram 15:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Death life[edit]

Fails WP:MUSIC. The only site that confirms the band and their recordings exist is their own Blogger entry. Prolog 15:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 17:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bush Push[edit]

individual plays are not notable, borderline WP:OR and fails WP:V in some parts, and clearly violates WP:NPOV, Delete Jaranda wat's sup 22:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 07:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Burzukh[edit]

Fails WP:MUSIC. Article suggests the band has released six recordings (demos), but Metal-Archives.com confirms only three of these. Nonetheless, the band is not notable enough. Prolog 15:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 07:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Herman's Cricket Ratings[edit]

Vanity, Not notable. Barring wikipedia and its mirrors, only gets his home page, a rankingsoftware.com link and a freedictionary link on google: [62] Richfife 15:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedily and saltily deleted by Lucky 6.9. --Coredesat talk! 17:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zippy (SWG)[edit]

Prod removed with the comment "This document should NOT be deleted. I verify that Zippy was a valid and major character on our server." Apparently, a character created by a gamer on one server of the SWG MMORPG, unknown outside that server. Fails WP:FICT and WP:WEB, whichever applies. Fan-1967 14:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note - nomination removed from the log by Tiveria - Yomanganitalk 15:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Gone and salted. Fan-1967 16:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sangertown Square[edit]

This article fails WP:CORP. Out of the 326 unique search hits, there is only one bit of coverage about the mall itself. Erechtheus 15:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Gamer's Quarter[edit]

Online gaming magazine that was the focus of one MTV news article a year ago. No other news coverage indicated, and thus fails WP:WEB (i.e., multiple non-trivial published works). Chock full o' vanity (creator has same username as the managing editor). -- Merope Talk 15:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anglo-Saxon kingdom genealogy[edit]

Insofar as the article isn't incomplete original research, it appears to be based on anything but reliable sources. No doubt there's an encyclopedia article to be written on the claimed genealogies of Anglo-Saxon kings, and what those claims tell us - the Blackwell Encyclopedia of Anglo-Saxon England has an article on Genealogies, Royal - but this isn't it nor does it contain any useful material for such an article. Apart from WP:NOR and WP:V issues, there's also no primary sources to consider. I suggest to delete but do not protect against recreation as this is a valid headword. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nyac[edit]

Seems unnecessarily crufty. More of a Star Trek wiki thing than a Wikipedia thing.-- Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Hand Grenade. - Bobet 15:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flash Grenade[edit]

Article is non-notable by itself, and should probably be combined into an article encompassing all weapons from the video game. Propose delete and merge as such. --Dennisthe2 17:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

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The result was Speedy deleted by Luna Santin as copyvio (WP:CSD A8) - Yomanganitalk 22:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Saturna[edit]

notability not established; few related links found - CobaltBlueTony 17:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup 21:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Famous Kapus[edit]

POV list of people with absolutely no criteria for inclusion. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I tagged it with cleanup and wikify tags, but looking at the history, there seems to be little chance of that ever happening. Coredesat talk! 17:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete, attack page. NawlinWiki 21:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas O'Brien[edit]

There is a real Thomas O'Brien at Verizon, which is why it's heavily wikilinked (See what links here. This isn't him. I'm not sure if this qualifies as CSD G1 patent nonsense, which is why I brought it here. TransUtopian 17:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wounded duck[edit]

Seems to be a hoax. I asked at the discussion page of Ice Hockey first and no-one has indicated that they recognize the term. No reference found in Google. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GringoInChile (talk • contribs)

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

McMahonism[edit]

Previously nominated a few months ago resulting to no consensus. This article is fancruft and over-emphasising a WWE storyline that really isn't that notable for Wikipedia and lasted only a good few weeks before the McMahon/Michaels feud evolved away from religion. Oakster (Talk) 17:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brad Gotshall I[edit]

Delete. Subject is not notable per the guidelines of WP:BIO. [Check Google hits] Search for only "Brad Gotshall" brings up 25 Google hits; "Destish" shows 60, none of which have to do with a media company. I don't really know what this article is supposed to be. I tagged it as a prod, and the article author removed it.... discospinster talk 19:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Golftec[edit]

Delete Company fails the WP:CORP guideline. Article reads like an advert. Was speedy deleted once before and has remained unimproved for six months, with no additional evidence of notability despite appropriate tags Gwernol 19:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan Avery[edit]

Non notable conspiracy theorist. All the relevant information has been merged into the Loose Change (video) article. Peephole 19:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why would you think I'm him? I found this, and it seemed very bizarre that there was no article and it was redirected off. Does 4-5 (at least) news sources count as notable for a stub? · XP · 00:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not a single one of the articles is specifically about him, so no they don't count. He has also produced only one film. Not enough to warrant his own article and everything is already merged with the Loose Change article.--Peephole 01:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment because the entirety of his article can easily exist as a subsection of Loose Change (video), his only film, which he has only shown inclination of revising endlessly. He has directed one film. Why should he have an article seperate from said film? Where is his notability independent of it?--Rosicrucian 02:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Bobet 15:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cedar Lee[edit]

Non notable artist bio, fails WP:BIO. Article link kindly added by author of article shows that she has gotten a solo exhibition at the art centre of a colleague-alumnus, and the article is from her school as well, in a series about recent alumni. No outside reviews, awards, works in musea or major exhibitions, ... She may become notable, but for now, she is just one of many debuting artists. Fram 19:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Glen 23:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Star Trek Vs Star Wars[edit]

nn mod, misleading title Will (Glaciers melting in the dead of night) 19:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Songs that start with telephone sounds[edit]

Prod removed because someone disagreed that this should be deleted without discussion, so listing now. My main concern with this article is that there is nothing special about songs that start with telephone sounds. If this is kept it opens the door for Songs that start with burping noises, Songs that start with baboons arguing, and Songs that start with with someone saying the word banana. In other words, it opens the door for a list of songs that start with ANYTHING, a potentially endless amount of lists. My other concern was that this list was entirely unsourced, however the person who removed the prod added a couple sources for individual songs. The vast majority still isn't sourced. WP:NOT a collection of indiscriminate information. VegaDark 19:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wagflation[edit]

Was proposed for deletion as a neologism and original research. The OR is gone but it is still a protologism per the zero ghits for the word wagflation. WP:NOT applies. Delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs about laziness[edit]

Listcruft, indiscriminate collection of information. Subjective and ambiguous, most of the listed songs are really not about laziness, but about resting, sleeping, boredom or temporal idleness, and many merely include the word "lazy" in the title or in the lyrics. Ezeu 19:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 16:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A DRV consensus has overturned the previous closure unanimously, resulting in a deletion of the article. [64] Xoloz 15:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seventh Party System[edit]

Article was prodded, but author deprodded for consistency with First to Sixth Party System. It looks to me as if the whole range is fairly unnotable, but that the use of the terms declines dramatically to the end of the range, making the article Seventh Party System a case of WP:OR. Seventh Party System gets 10 distinct Google hits, which is terribly low for something that only started in 1994. Of these links, at least this one[65] lets the seventh start in 2000 at the earliest. This article[66] only agrees on the first five (which are not up for deletion), and sees the outlines of a seventh system only in 1996. So we have very few references for a seventh party system, and the few we have disagree seriously. This makes the concept non notable and the article WP:OR or at least not according to WP:NPOV and hard to WP:V. By the way, we even have only 59 distinct Google hits for the Sixth Party System, so the whole concept seems to be a bit out of fashion... Fram 19:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, Aldrich makes up at least 2 of the 10 links I found regarding the 7th PS. Umm, Uncle G, was that a Keep, a Delete, or just a helpful comment (which is of course welcome)? Fram 20:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hope my comments help with some context as to the need for this article, as part of the series.

Sincerely, Josephf 21:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On a further note, being that we were discussing google results, John H. Aldrich of Duke University is one of the scholars as far back as in 1997 (in Political Science Quarterly, see [67] ) made the polical science observation that we are currently in the Seventh Party System.
Allon, I think you would be better suited to suggest the article be updated to clarify your points, rather than delete the article in its entirety. Certainly it has historical value, and we have some references in this discussion (see above) that ought to be included in the article itself. As far as scholarly consensus is concerned, we could discuss in the article any scholarly disagreements as to the timeframe of the Seventh, when it began, when the Sixth ended, etc. In 1994 the Congress became Republican for the first time in 40 (fourty) years.) That it seems is quite a sea change. It certainly is a strong argument for the scholars who classify the Seventh beginning in 1994. In any event, these points ought to be mentioned in the article. (Hence the reason why the article is currently classified as a 'stub'.) 169.132.18.248 14:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But the term is only used by very few authors, and even those disagree on when and how. What makes "seventh party system" notable? Being the logical next after "sixth" is no argument,a we could then just create "eigth", "ninth" and "tenth" as well. e should have articlse on scientific terms that are widely used in their speciality, but it looks like "seventh party system" is not widely used at all and is rather obscure. When it gets more mainstream (at least to the level of "fifth party system", although even fourth and fifth party system are still pretty obscure), then an article would be warranted. Now, it seems that only very few authors / scholars use the term, while mainstream politicologists / historians don't use this classification, certainly not for recent times. Fram 15:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fram, As mentioned previously, your argument then should be do delete the Sixth Party System as well, not just the Seventh. Now your saying even the 4th & 5th are "pretty obscure" (in your words), it seems you are arguing to delete the whole series. Are you planning to propose to delete this series piecemeal, one by one? I don't think there is the rough consensus needed for that.
Sincerely, Joseph 15:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
wikipedia's afd policy is not to count anonymous votes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwertyqazqaz (talk • contribs) 21:10, 21 September 2006
But this one is obscure inside its speciality. Fram 05:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see there is 3 Keeps and 2 Deletes (not counting an anonymous vote.) Can we remove the tag from the article? (There seems to be a strong argument for maintenance and at best there is no rough consensus to remove.) Joseph 16:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Redirect is optional. - Mailer Diablo 15:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

LEGERDEMAIN[edit]

Self-published book. Author removed speedy tag and is likely to remove prod tag. Plus, I kind of doubt this is the only book on Amelia Earhart's disappearance, as asserted. NawlinWiki 19:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The remark of the above party is a very 'anti-book' remark. Most of the best writers have started out by self publishing. "A good book is a good book--regardless of who printed it" is my motto.

LEGERDEMAIN is a fully, legally published book, which is, indeed, the only non-theory book ever published on the disappearance of Amelia Earhart. It has been featured repeatedly at the Amelia Earhart Festival in Atchison, KS and is drawing increasing attention. It represents a step forward in collecting and correlating the knowledge on this subject. The party who posted the complaint should get a copy of the book and check it out before lodging complaints. --David K. Bowman, wikiman999

  • Comment: Wikipedia is not a billboard or a place to self-promote. Find other channels of advertising. --Dennisthe2 19:23, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your Hurt[edit]

just lyrics Will (Glaciers melting in the dead of night) 20:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Bobet 15:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Slugfets 20-04[edit]

nn-game Will (Glaciers melting in the dead of night) 20:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sally Rennison[edit]

Nonnotable British child stage actress; article asserts some press coverage so probably not speediable (and speedy tag removed by author anyway). NawlinWiki 20:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think she is an amazing actress i saw her playing Dracula's girl in the palladium and loved it. I saw on google that she had got into acting and got through into The journey to the moon. She is inspiring dont delete it please— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotbabe109 (talk • contribs)

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uniform Communication Processor[edit]

Duplicated at Uniform Communication Processor chip.

A self-evident hoax: both "Uniform Communication Processor" and "Ono-Sendati" get zero Google hits (well, apart from one dead matchmaking webpage, oddly enough). The PROD was deleted immediately, of course. WP:V, WP:NOT etc. apply. Sandstein 20:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Delete --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 19:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Feingold[edit]

This young man who started a record company has absolutely no evidence of notability given in the article File Éireann 20:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I thought I speedied this... oh, wait, I did. Theres no real assertion of notability. I'm speedying it again. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 19:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Yes, they are different people, the first of which is notable while the second one doesn't seem to be. At best, should redirect to the more notable one with a disambiguation link to the other. --Alan Au 20:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anne Hill[edit]

hoax article created by Flinders, a known sockpuppet of Mattisse. See also Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Mattisse and Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Mattisse (2nd) -999 (Talk) 20:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete all. - Mailer Diablo 15:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Vision Serpents and associated pages[edit]

Three articles relating to a local band from Buffalo, New York (the band, an unreleased "album", and a list of also unreleased songs). The "album" appears to refer to a performance they did on a local college radio show; I suppose it may have been recorded, but any recording isn't even available on their website. As mentioned, the band has a website, as well as a MySpace page, and their gigs are posted on setlist.com, but that's about it. They have not achieved any of the indicators of notability commonly used for musical groups. The articles are orphans with no other links from elsewhere in Wikipedia. They appear to have been created by a group member (some of the text is a copy of what appears on their MySpace page), and there's an absence of sources aside from what they're saying about themselves. --Michael Snow 20:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic Emirate of Waziristan[edit]

The article violates wikipedia's cardinal content policy of verifiability. Moreover it is also a duplicate of the Waziristan accord but with the twist that a newly coined term i.e. 'Islamic Emirate of Waziristan' has been used in order to give the uninformed reader the illusion that there is some newly formed independent state which has been set up in the tribal areas of Pakistan. The fact of the matter is that the tribal areas or FATA have always been out of the bounds of the central government and even though the Waziristan accord binds the government to remove newly constructed security check points in the region; it does not call for the total withdrawl of government presence and creation of some separate state, as has been implied here. As such this article is a total work of fiction and is based on false foundations. The references are weak, to say the least, and thus this article needs to be removed. Red aRRow 20:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Additional comment The only reference, out of all the neutral references provided, which even mentions (and very briefly) this fictitious term of the 'Islamic Emirate of Waziristan' is the one from Newsweek. All the other references are about the Waziristan accord or its ramifications. I won't comment on the Press Trust of India report as it is an Indian goverment mouthpiece and does not fall into the sphere of a neutral source when it comes to topics pertaining to Pakistan. Thus just writing up a new wikipedia article based on a term which has only been mentioned by one news outlet in only one of their reports is, in my opinion, not something which can be called a verifiable piece and hence will go against wikipedia's verifiability policy according to my judgement. Red aRRow 10:37, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to weak delete; the Newsweek article uses this term as the name these guys have allegedly given to their "state", but one media mention probably isn't enough. I still think this doesn't warrant its own article yet, but should be monitored further. Sandstein 21:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Despite Red aRRow’s unsupported assertion, this article does violate the principle of verifiability. Quite the contrary; the article is rather well footnoted. Red aRRow need only refer to footnotes one and two to verify the article’s introduction. As such, Red aRRow’s insertion of verification needed edit is clearly erroneous and borders on vandalism (as does the entire attempt to delete this article). The fact that a publication has printed facts which contradict an official state policy (of any government) does not render that publication irreputable.

Second, Red aRRow’s assertion that this article “is also a duplicate of the Waziristan accord” is simply incorrect. One need only compare the two articles—both their content and their citations—to discern the difference. However, one correction should be noted with respect to the article and the term “Islamic Emirate of Waziristan.” The author of the article states that "The Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is the name given by some commentators to an area of Waziristan, Pakistan that they say gained de facto recognition from the Government of Pakistan on September 5, 2006 as a result of negotiations between Islamabad and local tribesmen to end the undeclared Waziristan War.” (Emphasis added.) Actually, the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is not what “some commentators” have termed this de facto autonomous region; rather, it is the name coined by the Pakistani Taliban for their new “state.” (See http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13990130/site/newsweek/ at ¶ 2.)

Third, whether or not the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan exists as a de facto state is irrelevant to its validity as an article. Contrary to Red aRRow’s unsupported assertion that the article is “a total work of fiction,” the article is fully verified and factual. Unlike Red aRRow, the author makes no assertions of opinion, and also unlike Red aRRow, virtually all of the article’s facts are cited to legitimate and reputable original sources.

Red aRRow is obviously passionate about the Pakistani government’s reputation in light of the peace treaty recently signed with the Taliban in Waziristan. Nevertheless, Nationalist passion—however fervent—should not be allowed to dictate which articles remain in Wikipedia, and which are deleted. A review of Red aRRow in existing Wikipedia pages reveals a singular concern for maintaining Pakistani honor, which is perfectly legitimate as long as the arguments are factual and based on violations of Wikipedia policy. In this case, they are not.

Furthermore, as the article fortunately documents, the Pakistani government has essentially stated that it would like to have the article deleted. Nationalism is not a basis upon which to delete an article. Indeed, the irony of Red aRRow’s and the Pakistani government’s arguments is that to delete the article would itself be a violation of Wikipedia policy.

I would respectfully disagree with Sandstein’s two arguments. First, as pointed out above (and by Sandstein himself), the article is verified.

With respect to the neologism argument, I would say that while perhaps technically true, a neologism is not fatal per se. Moreover, given how recently it was “created,” the disputed nature of its status, and its geographic and cultural remoteness, to say the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is a neologism doesn’t mean a whole lot—it’s somewhat of a tautology. Likewise, given how underreported this region is, to wait until a vague “mainstream use” is attained offers no benefit other than denying the reader the opportunity to educate himself and seek out original sources. Finally, the article should not be deleted until “such a state is actually founded.” The point of the article is its “founding” according to the Pakistani Taliban, and arguably according to the terms of the peace treaty between Pakistan and the Taliban. If an entity is deserving of an article only if it has widespread international recognition, then shouldn’t the Transnistria article be deleted as well? And for that matter, the Islamic Emirate of Afganistan should as well considering the fact that only a couple of countries ever officially recognized it.

Finally, the phrase “Islamic Emirate of Waziristan” has historical and contextual significance. This new entity was founded/is attempting to be founded by the same people who founded the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. The article should remain. Mtclvrt mtclvrt 9/21/06—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mtclvrt (talk • contribs) .

    • Comment -I thought the debate was about the article's credibility NOT mine. I haven't read the words' 'Red aRRow' so many times in a paragraph before lol. Red aRRow 19:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply - The debate is about the credibility of the article, which I comment upon by addressing your arguments: which is basically that the article is not original research, its central information is verifiable, and it’s capable of a neutral point of view with good editorship. The arguments against this article are an obvious attempt to remove material that is personally disliked, which is illegitimate and an abuse of the deletion process. Finally, your recent likeminded colleagues below give one the distinct suspicion of sockpuppets. Mtclvrt 02:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply to Mtclvrt - Please refrain from personal attacks as per wikipedia's policy. No personal attacks. Thank you. Red aRRow 08:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]



At first i thought it was a practical joke but i was surprised to find that it was being taken seriously. 132.161.221.18 21:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the claims that wikipedia is becoming "infested with indians", please take a look at the primary contributors to this article. I am not Indian. I am a 6th generation Irish American from the Midwest. Osgoodelawyer is a Canadian law student. Inkan1969 is not Indian as far as I can tell -- his edits suggest he's a fan of microstates, flags, and national anthems worldwide.

Take a look at the two main news sources underpinning the article, Asia Times Online and Newsweek. Asia Times Online is based in Hong Kong. Newsweek is based in the US. Neither have any stake in the India/Pakistan conflict. Take a look at the reporters who have provided us thes articles. Mr. Syed Saleem Shahzad, the Pakistan Bureau Chief for Asia Times Online, appears to be Muslim, not Hindu, if his name is any indication. The Newsweek reporters, Ron Moreau and Hussain Zahid, also lack Hindu names.

I am dumbfounded by the claims we are "Indian teenagers", "devious indians", and that our edits evidence Wikipedia is "increasingly infested with indians". How could anybody come to that conclusion? You've given me quite an education as to how high passions run on this topic, and how these emotions do not require an basis in evidence. It discredits you severely, if I can be frank. I thought the periodic insanity on the Tibet talk page was the epitome of irrational, emotional outburst, but by comparison it's a model of cold scientific reason...

On the topic of bias, I just took the time to check the user contributions of everyone who has voted "delete" so far in this discussion. Silly me, I took the time to check up a bit on who is saying what here. Save User:Sandstein, who votes "weak delete", I observe that none of you has made a single edit on any topics besides the topic of Pakistan or India/Pakistan conflict (that's Red aRRow, 82.31.151.203, 62.31.20.122, 203.82.48.56, Dizasta76, and 132.161.221.18 -- all monotopic contributors). (Not quite zero actually -- one of the IP addresses made a single edit to adjust the Muslim population quoted on the demographics of Thailand page). So you guys are not exactly the model of unbiased contributorship. I also observe the eldest of you, Red aRRow, has only been contributing since July. Prior to his involvement in this article (he is the one pushing for this VfD), his edits have been limited entirely to topics pertaining to the Pakistan Navy...

I can't help but connect a dot or two. This past week the Government of Pakistan publicly stated they will take "immediate notice" of this article on Wikipedia. I'm not sure what that means, but it comes to mind that perhaps a few of you are employed by the Government of Pakistan. Nothing at all wrong with working for the Government of Pakistan and contributing to Wikipedia, but it does seem suspicious that the long-time Pakistani Wikipedians are silent from this dispute, while all these newbies are crying "lies!" and "fiction!" and repeatedly attaching POV and VfD flags to the article, without bothering to provide a single verifiable source to counter the references put up by the Wikipedians outside south asia.

Changing gears, let me add a few more points to the thoughtful contributions made above in defense of this article:

Finally, on merge vs. keep: Tom harrison's suggestion to merge the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan with Waziristan Accord is not an unreasonable one, if we take a certain view of what's happening. That particular view is that the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is important primarily in light of the Waziristan accord. That view probably has the best odds of prevailing in the end, but it is not the only view out there. Another view, and this argues for keep, is that the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is essentially a branch of the Pakistan Taliban, and it has impact and influence apart from this accord. The very name "Islamic Emirate of Waziristan" has strong Taliban overtones, as 203.81.213.157 points out (it directly evokes the name the Afghanistan Taliban used for itself). If the Pakistan Foreign Office statement is taken at face value, the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is a Taliban organization which was not party to the accord. If so they were not partty to the accord, they should not be consolidated onto the accord page. technopilgrim 22:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment - Sorry, but as far as I see it only the Newsweek article is mentioning this term of 'Islamic Emirate of Waziristan'. Both the articles from Asia Times Online do not even mention this term and definitely do not support the assertions which this article is making about some sort of a State or Emirate. The Asia Times Online articles are related to the 'war on terror' generally and the Waziristan accord specifically. So putting that as a reference in this article is incorrect to begin with.
As for your assertion that since the text of the Waziristan accord is a secret plus, in your opinion, the press in Pakistan seems to be regulated by the government (a claim which I personally reject as anybody with an internet browser and an internet connection can see by going over to the websites of Pakistani publications and see the blasting they are always handing out to the government e.g. here is what I found in 1 minute flat [69], [70]....doesn't seem to be 'regulated' to me) do not hold true as a justification for this article to be stamped as verifiable and be given a place on wikipedia. In fact this should serve as a basis for deletion because until and unless more verifiable evidence has been found regarding this fictitious Emirate, this article is unverifiable and violates wikipedia's cardinal policy.
Moreover, speaking of being in touch with current affairs, I don't know which General you are referring to when accusing the Pakistanis of a spinoff, but as far as I see it there is no free pass for Osama bin Laden or other targets of high importance as a result of the Waziristan accord as you can see at the following links. [71] [72] - Red aRRow 10:37, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am referring to the press laws imposed in 2002 that caused the International Federation of Journalists to write[73]:

The International Federation of Journalists, the world's largest journalists' organisation, representing over 500,000 journalists worldwide, is deeply concerned over the recent adoption of three new press laws that it believes will seriously impact on the freedom of the press in Pakistan.

According to our information, the Pakistani government adopted the new press laws on August 31 2002 that increase the penalties for defamation, impose a system of prior authorisation for the news media, and create a government controlled press council, despite objections from Pakistani journalists.

We understand that the new defamation laws allow for penalties ranging from a minimum fine of US$800 through to prison sentences. We also understand that the Press Council is not independent of Government, with four representatives, including its president, appointed by the Government.

This constitutes government regulation of the press by my standards, if not by yours.

Regarding the general who spoke to ABC News, my mistake, he was not a Brigadier General. He was a Major General, which would be one step up from Brigadier General I'm guessing. This is not the first time my memory for detail has failed me. It was a General Shaukat Sultan who told ABC News on Tuesday, September 5th, that bin Laden would not be taken into custody "as long as one is being like a peaceful citizen". Here's the follow up story at ABC News.

technopilgrim 17:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Neutral" sources are hard to come by on a regular basis given that what appears to be neutral to one person may be contested as "a vehemently right wing media" by another. For all you know the one (DW link) you have added only adds half baked information which you haven't fully read yourself. If you had done that then you would probably have noticed that the 400 casualty figure mentioned in the Deutsche Welle source is for one year only and not the full duration of the conflict. I have now added the original source for the casualty claims for both sides. Further the casualty quotes I provided came directly from eminent Pakistani authors, which you removed twice before some sanity prevailed. Idleguy 06:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
btw, the FOX news article doesn't come from them. It is syndicated from Associated Press and a similar story ran in Pakistan's Daily Times. You might want to check your facts first before calling anyone that doesn't subscribe to your POV as biased. Idleguy 06:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Deleted per CSD A7. Naconkantari 05:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arekkusu[edit]

To quote the first paragraph of the article, "Arekkusu is a fictional character that does not appear in the anime series Naruto. He is merely created by a fan to be a character that might live in that world. He will be a character in a upcoming fan-fiction that is not yet titled and the release date has not been set." Falls under Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Fancruft, and possibly other guidelines that I'm not familiar with. ~SnapperTo 21:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of search engines and directories[edit]

Redundant of established List of search engines, seems like it will attract little more than external link spamming (WP:BEANS). ZimZalaBim (talk) 21:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Velma Kelly Online[edit]

nn fansite, is dormant Giant onehead 21:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete both. Petros471 13:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Early Republican Party (United States)[edit]

PoV fork of Democratic-Republican Party (United States); unsourced, inaccurate, PoV and interfering with getting the location of that article, which is disputed, settled. Produced by cut-and-paste by a single unser. Septentrionalis 21:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

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The result was Widthdrawn following substantial improvement by Uncle G and Harvestdancer. Guy 20:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pleonexia[edit]

A dicdef, tagged as unreferenced since march - actually has two references, a copy of a Greek dictionary on the site of serial link spammer and sockpuppeteer User:Jason Gastrich, and answers.com. Guy 21:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • As references? Yes. Do they stop it being a dicdef? Not hardly :-) Guy 07:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Astroturfing. Clear consensus that this doesn't need an article; merging there seems reasonable, but that article already includes a brief, sourced paragraph on this topic. Feel free to merge more fully from the history. Mangojuicetalk 19:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

International Council for Democratic Institutions and State Sovereignty[edit]

International Council for Democratic Institutions and State Sovereignty was nominated for deletion on 2006-08-07. The result of the discussion was "keep". For the prior discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Council for Democratic Institutions and State Sovereignty.

Non notable. 98 google hits., mostly from blogs. It is mentioned in one issue of Economist, but all they say it's a non-notable organization, for which one can find no details: (the Economist article)

Googling those details shows no trace on the internet for the “Robinson Corbett-Smith” who registered the site on January 14th this year. The address given is a hotel. The phone number is incomplete.
A Lexis-Nexis search for the ICDISS, in all languages and media going back 20 years, produces not a single entry. None of the people supposedly working for it—Joseph Connolly, Megan Stephenson or William Wood—appear in any plausible foreign-policy context in internet searches bogdan 22:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They also claim on their website:

Our annual spring conference is held every year since 2002 at the graduate school of the law faculty of the UNAM, in Mexico City, Distrito Federal (México). Our annual fall conference is held every year since 2004 in Washington, District of Columbia (USA).
1999-2006 © International Council for Democratic Institutions and State Sovereignty

Yet, their domain was registered in January 2006 and there's no proof on the internet or otherwise that it existed previously. bogdan 22:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Giant Glass[edit]

This is a vanity page. It is nothing short of shameless advertising, and even cites the tremendously annoying advertising jingle. The only thing missing is the phone number.

If every auto glass company in the world could have its own Wikipedia page, we would have thousands of pages on Executive Auto Glass, Ocean Auto Glass, and so forth. At a certain point, this kind of nonsense has to stop. I dare anyone (in good faith) to explain why this article should be kept. YechielMan 22:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep, nomination withdrawn. GRBerry 13:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Duffy[edit]

Looks like a lot of nonsense. Speedy Delete Clamster5 22:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Troy Wood[edit]

Seems like a lot of nonsense. Clamster5 22:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note, on closer inspection, it's just nonsense. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 22:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. - Bobet 15:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur Rubin[edit]

This is a vanity article,for the user,Arthur Rubin,other than (has earned a place among the five top ranked undergraduate competitors ) thers nothing else.I don't think this is notable enof for wikipedia. Pixel ;-) 23:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes,Yes,i suspect that you are not nottable enof.Are the winners of the contest nottable?Why a holle article?--Pixel ;-) 23:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nottable per what?He has a fields medal,or noble?--Pixel ;-) 23:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
HAHAHA.Ok,now i understand why you all mock me.No no,i now that thers no nobel in maths(any one has a gess why? :-))i was putting an example for nottability.I'm not a dumbt like you seem to sujest,you shouldn't make a link ither betewn my intellect and my spelling.--Pixel ;-) 00:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, I'd seriously consider Reid Barton for deletion too. He doesn't seem quite notable according to WP:PROF though I'm sure it's quite likely he'll qualify one day. FrozenPurpleCube 02:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Or he will simply burn out.--Pixel ;-) 01:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for your worme and kind words.What i see is an undergraduate competition,and then nothing(apart erdos thing).From the notability critiria only (7.The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them.) seems to be closer to the situation.And from that i undestand it like the fields medal or something,not an undergraduate competition.And yes,i now that ther isn't a nobel for maths,you whant my opinion on this?--Pixel ;-) 00:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Should we create entries for all 509 mathematicians with an Erdos number of 1? SkipSmith
If we have anything to say about them and somebody wants to write them, then yes by all means. 509 is not a huge number of articles by any standards. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked, and there are only 1948 people with a Bacon number of 1. We've got some article writing to do ... SkipSmith 07:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Don't forget the Katsumi number.--Pixel ;-) 17:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jed "Big Wiggly" Holmes[edit]

Contested PROD. Does not meet WP:MUSIC, and is a probable hoax. Joyous! | Talk 23:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This hip hop artist was featured on an hour long special on WRFA 107.9 on the Local Music Showcase hour, completing the requirement of a half hour radio broadcast dedicated to an artist. he therefore qualifies to be added to Wikipedia. In addition he is on the rise and in time will complete other requirements. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.169.140.190 (talk • contribs) .

Comment: I think you missed an important word: that criteria specifies "national radio network". —Wknight94 (talk) 11:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Traditional Observance Masonry[edit]

This is not a notable group. There are only five lodges recognized in the whole of the US according to the Masonic Restoration Foundation here, yet it claims to be an "important historical movement", and the MRF itself that warrants these lodges was founded only in 2001. Therefore, apart from the bias of the article (which reads a lot like an advertisement), this article fails Wikipedia notability guidelines. MSJapan 23:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete nn ALR 07:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Blueboar 12:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Badbilltucker 15:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. WegianWarrior 08:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus to delete it, will add ((merge)) tag as opinions are divided on the issue. — CharlotteWebb 17:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

B50 (chess opening)[edit]

This article defines one of the 500 chess opening variations contained in the Encyclopedia of Chess Openings. It is not a particularly unusual opening. If we will not include all 500 ECO categories (which of course we will not), we should not include even one of them. The convention on Wikipedia is, justifiably, to list openings according to their common name, such as Sicilian Defense, French Defense, and King's Gambit, among others. Each named opening covers many ECO listings. Anyone who knows what I'm talking about will almost certainly agree. YechielMan 23:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 15:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lunds ASK[edit]

If every chess club in the world had a Wikipedia page, there would be thousands of them. This is not notable, and is arguably a vanity page. YechielMan 23:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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