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Category:Indigenous television

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The result of the discussion was: split to new Category:Television in minority languages, i.e. purge the nominated category and put most of the removed items into the new category. – Fayenatic London 18:51, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Note that this is a purge request and not a deletion request. This is a legitimate category, but it seems to have collected a significant number of questionable entries that appear to be misusing "indigenous" as just a synonym for "regional minority language" without regard to whether that language community would actually be classified as an indigenous group or not — such as French-language television channels in France that happen to also broadcast a couple of programs in Breton or Alsatian, a German-language television channel in Italy, channels in India that broadcast in regional languages besides Hindi, several Nigerian channels whose articles provide no obvious context for how they can be seen as "indigenous" at all, the BBC's Scottish and Welsh language services, and on and so forth. So there's some legitimate stuff here, but there's also a lot of dubious stuff mixed in with it, so the contents need to be comprehensively reviewed and corrected where necessary. Bearcat (talk) 19:52, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Moving the misfiled stuff to a new category like that would potentially be a solution here, but just renaming this to that wouldn't be appropriate as there are some contents here that genuinely do need categorization as "indigenous television". Bearcat (talk) 14:33, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kadenang Ginto

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:39, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category, only contains two pages. Iaintfaking (talk) 17:31, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Professional football in Birmingham, Alabama

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 16:43, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename to include all pages related to American football. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:26, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Films about cultures

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 16:21, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The formulation "X films", where X is a country/geographic region/etc., is typically used to indicate the area of origin of a film and does not reflect upon the culture of the individuals involved in the film's production or the film's themes (though the two may coincide). As such, these categories, which focus more on the ethnicity of the cast or crew, or the themes of the film, should be renamed to make it more clear that the culture listed is a significant aspect of the film. If the culture listed is not a significant part of the film, then the film likely should not be listed beneath the category, as we don't typically categorize films based solely on production crew. DonIago (talk) 16:55, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Gambling media -> Media about gambling

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Category:Battles won by indigenous peoples of the Americas

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 14:43, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not sure I can fully rationalise why I have brought this here. It just does not feel right and we don't have any other "category:Battles won by <foo>". It's kind of triumphalist. SpinningSpark 11:39, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Scholars of the Ottoman Empire

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The result of the discussion was: rename (option B). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:42, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Option B is a minimal requirement, as the category just contains scholars from the Ottoman Empire. Option A is preferable since the articles are already in an Ottoman people category that is much more specific than the very broad "scholar". Marcocapelle (talk) 15:31, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 25#Category:Scholars under the Almoravid dynasty. – Fayenatic London 09:13, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: @Marcocapelle?
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Category:Muslim encyclopedists

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:43, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCEGRS, trivilal intersection with religion. We do not have Category:Christian encyclopedists or Category:Buddhist encyclopedists either. The nomination is comparable to this earlier one about Muslim historians. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:57, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Maybe, but nothing guarantees that the category remains limited to this. For example Awn Alsharif Qasim is rightfully in the category as he authored the Sudanese Encyclopedia of Tribes and Genealogies. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:36, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Political slurs for people

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The result of the discussion was: Procedural close, nomination was not valid as the category page has not been tagged per WP:CFD. – Fayenatic London 14:37, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Political slurs for people to Category:Pejorative political terms
Nominator's rationale: "Slur" has connotations (of heavily taboo, heavily pejorative term against a minority) that "insult" or "pejorative" do not. Most of the items in this category, like fascist or tankie are pretty clearly not slurs in the connotative sense even though they are clearly pejorative. Plus the "for people" violates WP:Principle of Some Astonishment: of course they're insults for people. Loki (talk) 04:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Universal Classic Monsters films

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 14:19, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per discussions from previous similar deletions in 2020 (here) and again here (in 2021), the conclusion was it's not clear what the series is, and what it is not. Per the current article on Universal Classic Monsters, the series are mostly lumped together as a home video line, even occasionally adding films that were not originally Universal film productions. As nothing has really been added to describe it beyond that, the category should be dropped just as Category:Criterion Collection has been deleted a few times over. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:44, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Muslim historians of Islam

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The result of the discussion was: Merge and rename per nomination. I will redirect the first one to assist in tracing the page history and for the benefit of interwiki links. – Fayenatic London 13:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: manually merge/rename, per precedent in this earlier discussion. Many articles in Category:Muslim historians of Islam are already in a subcategory of Category:Historians of the medieval Islamic world or Category:Historians of the Ottoman Empire so that they do not have to be included in the merge. But modern historians of Islam from Muslim countries should be added to Category:Historians of Islam, where their western colleagues already are. There is no point in separating them. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:58, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • This makes it only worse. This is about the history of Islam, i.e. the historians are historians of Islam, not Islamic historians. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. Apparently, Marcocapelle changed his mind from 2017 to 2022. But the proposal clarifies the category subject restrictions, and matches more recent precendent.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:52, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American footballers' wives and girlfriends

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 13:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These people are notable for other reasons and notability is not inherited, so there is no need to categorise them this way. It is also inherently sexist - why isn't Tom Brady categorised as a model's husband, or Jonathan Owens as a gymnast's boyfriend?

(Not to mention the confusion by the fact that this is erroneously listed as part of the Association Football (Soccer) Wikiproect, or that the term "football player" rather than "footballer" tends to be used for American football) Melcous (talk) 02:55, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I found them: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_October_17#Category:Footballers'_wives_and_girlfriends and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_July_27#Category:Footballers'_wives_and_girlfriends. The former contains a list of multiple even older discussions. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:01, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While reading through the older discussions it seems that WAGs is a typical British thing so the discussion about an American subcategory may have a different outcome. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree, but not list the parent Category:Footballers' wives and girlfriends? Or perhaps Category:Wives by occupation of partner? @Firefangledfeathers @Marcocapelle @Firefangledfeathers @Peterkingiron Maybe one of you will list them, I don't know how to nominate multiple categories, and there is a few dozen in here, if not more... Note we may want to separate the obvious "wives of celebrities" garbage from the slightly more redeemable "wives in the heraldical context" which may have some historical value. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:51, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sufism in Spain

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 13:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with one article and one subcategory. There is no need to merge, the article and subcategory are already in parent categories insofar appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:45, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Yazidi saints

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. – Fayenatic London 13:11, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:C2D KurdeEzidi (talk) 20:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are all historical people, but additional religious meaning beyond the level of ordinary people has been attributed to them. That sounds very much like saints. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello again, I must respectfully disagree with that presumption because nowhere in the article or any of the references is that stated. It is also not accurate, they are not "all" historical people, some of them are revered and known solely as spiritual beings, Tawûsî Melek is not known to be a historical person, neither is Sheikh 'Ebrûs, Şêx Mişeleh, Sheikh Kiras, Pîrê Ewra, Xidir Liyas or Derwêşê Erdê. The references do not describe them as such. Furthermore, many of the figures, such as the members of the Heptad, are believed to have come to earth as human incarnations, who are in turn known to be historical people, but they are still worshipped as Xudans or angelic beings and are referred to as such in myths, prayers and religious texts. The angels within the Heptad especially are believed to have been created prior to the creation of this world. So although the term "saint" could be an accurate term for their earthly incarnations, it hardly takes into account their mythological, spiritual personality and role in Yazidism as a whole. KurdeEzidi (talk) 22:53, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok I understand that, so basically members of the Heptad should be a distinct category, right? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Victims of OUN-B killings

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. – Fayenatic London 12:55, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Victims of OUN-B killings to Category:Victims of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists
Nominator's rationale: Per rename request incorrectly started as an RfC:

For one thing, the current category name is grammatically wrong. Another thing, some articles in the category were assassinated before the OUN-B was created, which was in 1940 (see here)
— User:Jabbi 19:24, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

–LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:55, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Laura Nyro tribute albums

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