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Misconstruers

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:43, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Misconstrue is not the same word as misunderstand, so its current target of a redirect page is not appropriate. Understand is a possibility. However, I have only seen this word in a legal context (a law warning people to correctly understand its intent), so is there so law related target for this? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Misconstrued" gets 84 hits over the last 90 days, "Misconstrue" gets 63, and "Misconstruing" gets 11. The others get 1 or 2. So "misconstrued", "misconstrue", and "misconstruing" could use soft redirects to Wiktionary, the rest can probably go. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:00, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Best games

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The result of the discussion was delete all.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note. By request of an editor who did not participate in this discussion, List of games considered the best was recreated and nominated for discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 June 9#List of games considered the best. Steel1943 (talk) 16:38, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The word "game" is ambiguous and, in this case, could refer to board games or sports. Steel1943 (talk) 23:38, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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List Of Worldwide Million Selling Video Game Software (Shipments)

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure in the least how this is a likely search term for anything. Steel1943 (talk) 23:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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List of best-selling video

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Video" is ambiguous. Delete. Steel1943 (talk) 23:10, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Biggest video games of all time

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 03:22, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how a "big video game" is defined, but it's probably not synonymous with "best-selling". Steel1943 (talk) 23:08, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Biggest in this case sounds like bestselling to me. But I suppose it could mean largest file size also. 39 people have seen that page since its creation 8 years ago this month. So not many searching for it. Dream Focus 02:25, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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List of most profitable video games ever

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The result of the discussion was delete without prejudice against article creation. Deryck C. 21:38, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just because a product has a high amount in sales doesn't mean automatically that it has a high profit margin. Since no production budget figures are present in the target article, the information/subject of this redirect is technically nowhere in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Profitable in this instance means gross profit not net profit. There is no other list article to redirect it to. That list would help you find the information you seek. Just something I searched for once and found no results, so just made a redirect to that list. Page views from the time the article was created until now is 196. So others are searching for that also at times. Dream Focus 23:13, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like a good reason to create an article at this title, rather than redirect readers to a page where they might not be finding the exact information they are looking for. The differences in the use of "profit" in this case may not be clear to readers. Steel1943 (talk) 23:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Is the information out there about how profitable video games are? It seems like it would be more difficult to find than it would be for, say, Hollywood movies. shoy (reactions) 14:02, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder that myself. When I first noticed this redirect, I also made the comparison to how information regarding film budgets is rather easy to find. But, either way, I am not sure where this information would be. Steel1943 (talk) 18:46, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Biggest games ever

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous and erroneous. Delete. Steel1943 (talk) 22:59, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Best selling games

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The result of the discussion was delete all.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

These redirects seem ambiguous since in this context, "games" is ambiguous. For one, it could refer to board games. Steel1943 (talk) 22:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The articles could all link to a disambigous page that then links to the various list articles for bestselling games of each type, but there is currently no list of any type of games other than video games that list the sales figures. No bestselling list for card games, board games, or role playing games. Anyway, I say keep it, because those searching for this are probably thinking about video games, and this will help them find what they are looking for. Dream Focus 02:32, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Best Place to Work

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The result of the discussion was delete all.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:34, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Other than these four redirects, List of buzzwords has no other incoming redirects, and for probably good reason. It seems misleading to readers to be redirected to a list section that doesn't identify the term which they searched. Otherwise, I cannot foresee a retargeting option for these redirects (unless they are an official name of a notable award or something related) since their titles are WP:NPOV violations. Steel1943 (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Best agers

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:34, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Best agers" is not mentioned anywhere in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 22:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Best kiss

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The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 21:34, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be redirected to MTV Movie Award for Best Kiss, or should this be deleted since it could be seen as ambiguous and other similar redirects related to individual MTV Movie Awards do not exist such as Best Kiss, Best Fight and Best fight? (I support deletion over retargeting.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Best management practice

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The result of the discussion was delete both. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:34, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Something seems off about these redirects. By looking at their target article, my original thought is that the redirects should be deleted per WP:REDLINK since they seem like an encyclopedic subject of some sort. Either way, the target article doesn't seem exclusive to management practices, so the redirects could be seen as misleading. Steel1943 (talk) 22:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Fastest 4G

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:33, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's unclear what this redirect is supposed to refer to, especially considering that the section referenced in the redirect does not exist in the target article (anymore). Steel1943 (talk) 22:11, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Fastest orbit

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Fastest serve

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn due to WP:SNOW. Steel1943 (talk) 03:52, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Per Serve (a disambiguation page), "serve" can refer to at least Serve (tennis) or Serve (volleyball) in sports. Delete since it is unclear what "serve" refers to in the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Slowest organisms

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Greatest hits of the 00's

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 03:18, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Besides "00s" being ambiguous, the target of the redirect isn't specifically for "hits", and there are no other existing redirects that use the "Greatest hits of the Y0's" format. Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Greatest movie villains

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Greatest earthquake

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The result of the discussion was retarget Lists of earthquakes. Deryck C. 21:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since the redirect doesn't seem to be an official alternative name for the target, the redirect seems to fail WP:NPOV. Steel1943 (talk) 21:43, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's subjective though. It could be the greatest death toll, greatest cost, greatest intensity, greatest area felt (which I believe would go to the New Madrid earthquake), etc. That can be rectified by retargeting to Lists of earthquakes, but I don't think it'd be worth it. -- Tavix (talk) 22:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Greatest cricket match

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 03:16, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect doesn't seem to be an official alternative name for the target. Steel1943 (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article has a reception section where media folks called it the greatest cricket match. But is that enough to say it is? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:31, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I would say that there is no general agreement this is in any way the "greatest" cricket match ever played - and there is no obviously accepted match that is known as that. Yes, some media, most of it geographically concentrated, called it that. Once. I doubt we'd find any consensus in cricketing circles as to which match is the greatest - and for that reason I'd probably get rid of the redirect. Blue Square Thing (talk) 14:22, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Greatest games of all time

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Game" doesn't always mean "video game", even is "game" is plural. Due to this, this redirect has a WP:XY issue since it could refer to sports. Steel1943 (talk) 21:33, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The smallest positive integer that does not have an entry on Wikipedia

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The largest cities of Thailand

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 15:33, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are no other "The largest cities of ..." titles in existence (as proven at Special:PrefixIndex/The largest cities), so I'm not sure why this redirect should exist. Also, when referring to cities, referring to size without being more specific automatically has an WP:XY issue since it is unclear if "size" refers to population size or size of the cities' area. Steel1943 (talk) 21:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The fastest street legal car in the world

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 02:38, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't seem like an official title for this subject. Apparently, this vehicle is currently the "fastest street-legal car" per the Guinness Book of World Records, but the redirect is not an official title. (This redirect seems akin to the World's Largest Apple-like redirects that were deleted a couple of years back.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:14, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirects to Enrico Caruso compact disc discography

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The result of the discussion was delete, with no prejudice against recreation when the albums are listed somewhere. --BDD (talk) 15:19, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

These are several titles of albums that are not mentioned in the target article Enrico Caruso compact disc discography. Some of their omissions may be related to this edit. Steel1943 (talk) 18:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Markhh since I referenced their edit. Steel1943 (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Is there even a precedent to do a compact disc discography on any artists that were pre-compact disc, especially with classical music. How many variants of Beethoven's symphony CDs are there that we need a list? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:34, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The greatest game of all

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 15:16, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Per the target article, this term is only mentioned as the title of a reference used in the article; the phrase itself is not used in the article. Unless this is an official widely-used alternative name for the target article's subject (proof of this does not currently exist in the article), the redirect is a WP:NPOV violation. Steel1943 (talk) 17:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not a good target for this phrase. -- Beland (talk) 19:50, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This comment was made prior to The Greatest Game of All being merged into this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Tavix: Wow, I totally overlooked that. And the discussion happened less than a month ago. Well, might as well list it here to see if WP:CCC happens since I can't WP:WITHDRAW this since there's a "delete" vote present. (If I knew of the other discussion's existence and it happening less than a month ago, I may have never made this nomination.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging all participants in the previous discussion, considering that I did not see the previous discussion for the CAPS-version of the redirect I nominated: Safiel, Prinsgezinde, LunarLander, Gibson Flying V (the redirects' creator), Doctorhawkes, Notecardforfree and Rubbish computer. Steel1943 (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as before. What happened to that discussion? I saw the point made, but over half the sources given simply use "greatest game" or otherwise don't capitalize it. Fans of the sport may occasionally use it but not only is it then still not very widespread, it's also something that's nearly unverifiable since for example googling "greatest game of all" returns a Youtube video about rugby, a book, and apart from that only articles about video games. I'm no longer as strong about the delete, but unless it really catches on I remain skeptical. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 21:03, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The greatest american superhero

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The greatest ambush in history

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 02:30, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect seems to not be an official name for the redirect's target, so it seems to be a WP:NPOV violation. Steel1943 (talk) 17:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not a good target for this phrase. -- Beland (talk) 19:53, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Lake Trasimene is allegedly the largest ambush in history, but that isn't the same thing. Our article does call it the greatest ambush in history in wikipedia's voice (in the section headed Aftermath), but that's hardly NPOV (and indeed, I have tagged that statement and started a discussion on the talk page questioning it). It's not even the only famous ambush from ancient Roman military history (Battle of the Teutoburg Forest), or even from the second Punic war (Battle of the Trebia). I don't see this redirect aiding navigation in any way. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 11:08, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The most Baptist state in the world

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The most valuable stamp

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:15, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Per the target article, this redirect seems to be a partial title of references/books (used in the target article) with titles that match this redirect, but may not be an official name for the target of the redirect. If it's not an official name for the target, the redirect has a WP:NPOV issue. Steel1943 (talk) 16:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or retarget with list upgrade. It seems like a legitimate thing to ask Wikipedia, "What is the most valuable stamp in the world?" If the Treskilling Yellow currently is that, this seems like a legitimate redirect. Though that ranking probably changes from year to year, so it might be better to redirect to List of postage stamps and add last-sold or estimated-value prices to that list (which is interesting to have whether or not there's a redirect). -- Beland (talk) 20:06, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Teachingly

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The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 21:47, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Neelix) While it has been used as a word, that's not the standard that we use to judge these redirects, per WP:NOTDIC. We keep common word forms to aid searches and linking, and this is not one of them. -- Tavix (talk) 16:44, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The most expensive real estate by city

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, G7. -- Tavix (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The subject referenced in this redirect doesn't seem to be in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 16:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I created this redirect, though I'm not sure why. You're right, Wikipedia doesn't seem to have this information at all. I added Cities by cost of real estate to Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Business_and_economics#Economics; I think we can do without this redirect for now. Thanks for helping tidy up! -- Beland (talk) 20:33, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Beland. I'll go ahead and ((Db-g7)) tag this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 20:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. Weirdly enough, it's not the first time this title has been deleted. -- Tavix (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The most remarkable formula in the world

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 02:21, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Besides the fact hat this doesn't seem to be an officially used name for the redirect's target's subject, this redirect seems to have ambiguity since "formula" refers to more than just mathematical subjects, and has a WP:NPOV issue especially since it declares its subject "The most remarkable formula in the world". Steel1943 (talk) 16:38, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • I see that I was mistaken in assuming that it was a quote and therefore withdraw my comments. A delete would seem appropriate in these circumstances.Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 04:14, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per the sources and as I sort of alluded above, Richard Feynman's phrase to describe the redirect's target is "most remarkable formula in mathematics", not "the world". These are two distinct phrases. Unless the term as stated in the nominated redirect is a known term word by word, it is inaccurate. Steel1943 (talk) 18:44, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The most dangerous man in the world

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Per the target article: "...That month, Intelligence Research Specialist Kevin Yorke of the New York Police Department's Counterterrorism Division called him "the most dangerous man in the world"..." Is this enough to keep this WP:NPOV redirect in place? (I don't think it is.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The most expansive

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect seems misleading since "expansive" is a word that is not synonymous with "expensive" while also having an issue of being uncontrollably ambiguous since it leaves the reader to wonder "The most expansive what?" Steel1943 (talk) 16:28, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The most annoying thing in the world

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:39, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The target article's subject seems to be alternatively known as "The Annoying Thing", but not as the redirect. For this reason, this redirect should probably be deleted as a WP:NPOV violation. Steel1943 (talk) 16:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Klimax

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The result of the discussion was delete. There is some appetite to delete and there isn't consensus on how to retarget or disambiguate this. Deryck C. 21:50, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Zcchhh this is a bit tricky. Of course from the Greek it would be with K but not in English (neelix redirect). I don't Think we can do it this way. There are others more absurd that I have taken straight to CSD: Si Trew (talk) 12:54, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's a tricky one. I have never heard of them up in Glasgow but then my stuff is really cheap even so if you get a thirty year old stereo it sounds better than the modern tvs that sound like a bluebottle in a bean tin. Whack an old second hand thirty year old hifi on the back for about twenty five quid out of your favourite thrift store and you have Richer Sounds, (who I've noticed rather than doing small ads have started advertising on british telly so probably not worth using them any more). I have never been one much for acoustics cos all my classical music is from going to the BBC Proms and the acoustics in the Royal Albert Hall are dreadful. It has always been my dream though to earn enough to buy a ticket off of someone because it was built by subscription and every now and again they come up for sale for not too much money less than a large one and you can have a seat for life. You can sit in there when it's empty if you want and eat your sarnies. Right actually that is my target for this year is to earn enough to buy a permanent ticket in the three and nines for the Royal Albert Hall. At least I could say I had done something with my life then and I can give it to my niece when I die and she can go there. There is nothing better than going to the Proms and having kinda choose an unpopular concert I heard Mendelsohhn's violin concerto played by the Birmingham Symphony Orchestra and practically had the place to myself. For two quid that is about five Canadian dollars! It was beautiful conducted by Sir Simon Rattle I think. All that for two quid! I can't get a pack of fags for two quid! I only have to raise about a grand it is not much I can do that easy. Si Trew (talk) 14:31, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@SimonTrew, modern TVs sound like a bluebottle in a bean tin intentionally. The TV market is so competitive that except at the extreme high end, the cost of your TV barely covers manufacturing and shipping; they make their money by selling you a soundbar to make the sound listenable at an extortionate markup. You see the same issue with other technologies; Apple makes considerably more from phone accessories and applications than they do from selling phones, for instance, while you'll spend considerably more on printer ink than you will on an actual printer. ‑ Iridescent 17:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No I don't think it is as cynical as that User:Iridescent. The thing is that because they want to make them flat they can't put the echo or whatever you call it behind the speaker. You are never going to get any half decent sound out of a tinny quarter inch speaker. Sod their soundbars go and find a second hand thirty year old stereo do the plumbing and it works a treat. The leads are usually about two quid three bucks (don't need to buy the gold plated ones). Si Trew (talk) 17:47, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That was just a word to the wise. My desk here i have an old Phillips thirty year old stereo that gives me Richer Sounds than out of the telly and in the living room I have another, both cost me about twenty quid from a second hand shop. I don't even know if the CD thingy on it works I just use em essentially as an amplifier. Works a treat. On my desk here I have the speakers on each side about six ashtrays and a stackload of books because I am very disorganised in one way, very organised in another, I have the Art of Computer Programming (in first edition, thank you) behind me, the Mythical Man-Month and various other technical bits, I have a bookshelf as a ready reference I am surprised we don't have that with about a thousand books on it because I chucked quite a few. I have set up my little study to be, well, a little study, and sometimes I do know what I am talking about. I can probably fetch something from my bookshelf quicker than you can find it on the Interweb. I have the best French, German, Hungarian and English dictionaries and little pocket ones for Spanish and Latin. I have I see two copies of Fowler's Modern English Usage. I also have Usage and Abusage don't like that much, seven volumes of the Magyar Lexicon and of course Arthur Mee's Children's Encylopaedia which is the fountain of all knowledge. I also picked up another children's encylopaedia the other day but that is not so good. I do know what I am talking about sometimes I just pretend I don't. Not on this one particularly but going through these Neelix redirects I am being patronised day in day out. There's a book by S. J. Perelman Vinegar Puss oh here is Chamber's Biographical Dictionary oh and The French Lieutenant's Woman, usually picked up for a song and usually in first edition. Next to that is a Haynes Manual for a Ford Mondeo, my bookshelf is not kinda arranged in a Dewey Decimal order it is arranged in Simon order. I do know what I am talking about sometimes. Si Trew (talk) 01:12, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This would work. They can also be dabbed. There is also a Klimax band but no idea how notable they are. If there are multiples later on, then put them in Climax (disambiguation) AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:21, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a few spelling variants to Climax (disambiguation). AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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12 planets

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The result of the discussion was retarget to disambiguation page Twelfth planet (disambiguation). The rough consensus is that while "12" ≠ "12th", a reader searching for "12 planets" is likely to find what they want from a disambiguation page about the "12th planet". Deryck C. 21:59, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This really should have been deleted instead of redirected. The first draft proposal of IAU's definition of planet would have led to twelve planets plus a further twelve candidates, which is probably why this was retargeted there. I don't think it's worth keeping, but if you want an alternative to deletion, 12th planet redirects to Zecharia Sitchin (but that's too far off for my tastes...) -- Tavix (talk) 23:21, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to have to oppose your opposition since the past convention to regard asteroids as being planets is a far more obscure practice in the mid-1800s without a particular resonance, I think, for today. I'm sure that there have been multiple times in history when some given individual claimed to think that there were 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, etc planets without it being a consensus view, or even a majority view slash notable minority view. The IAU's activities seem far more well-known and significant scientifically. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Twelve (12) planets ≠ Twelfth planet. Therefore retargeting to Twelfth planet (disambiguation) does not make any sense. Davidbuddy9 Talk  00:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Twelve (12) planets ≠ Twelfth planet. Therefore retargeting to Twelfth planet (disambiguation) does not make any sense. Davidbuddy9 Talk  00:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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But none of these topics would be referred to as "12 planets", would they? --BDD (talk) 14:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Albert Haddock

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The result of the discussion was retarget Uncommon Law. Since a second relist attracted no further comments, I'm enacting the outcome which is supported by a, erm, 2:1 majority. Deryck C. 21:53, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need to redirect this to Misleading Cases or some such I don't think it should go to APH. Si Trew (talk) 17:28, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently I created this redirect. Albert Haddock was the protagonist in many of Sir Alan Herbert's Misleading Cases but this is not the right place to whack this to the author. If we retain we can do better by whacking to the section 9 "Misleading cases" (with the quotes). Haddock was a famous protagonist of litigation who among other things took a cow down Fleet Street (can a cow be a cheque?) with a fourpenny stamp attached to its dexter horn. That was a negotiable cow as it wasn't crossed. It has actually kinda escaped from humour and been used in legal cases as a legal precedent wrongly. Si Trew (talk) 17:31, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Notepad software

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Notepad (disambiguation). --BDD (talk) 15:13, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Codename Lisa: added Notepad program to the nomination.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 07:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This page is created only to claim that text editors are called "notepad software". But this claim fails verification by a source. I tried Google. Codename Lisa (talk) 06:51, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • We have WP:PTM problem: Entries ("Notepad+", "Notepad++", "Notepad2" and "Notepad software") don't qualify for disambiguation of "Notepad". Also, per MOS:DAB, "text editor" can only appear if its lead section definite "Notepad" as an alternative title. That page is up for deletion. —Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 11:16, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. I've expressed my opinion at the deletion discussion for that page.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 19:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Notepad" can be a misleading term, since some notepads can write only short notes, while others function more like word processors ... Companies will shun the term "notepad" in favor of "text editor" if their product provides many word processing functions and commands.
Seems sorta like an ((r from slang)) or something, which may be why the target doesn't mention it. Google does find a few possibly-reliable sources (e.g. [5]) which use the terms "notepad software" and "text editor" rather interchangeably. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 07:35, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done.--Cúchullain t/c 03:53, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first book refers to "Home Pc" and "Linux Machine", and while it does use the phrase once, it happens to also use the phrase "text editor" in the same paragraph, too. This is a really bad example of a source reliable enough to be used in an encyclopedia.
  • The second book is better, but it also uses the phrase "user-definable database" in the same paragraph - apparently there's a propensity for such word formations there, so the source should be taken with a grain of salt.
  • The third book is a false positive - it talks about MS Notepad, not a class of programs. It clearly calls the class text editors, as is customary.
  • The fourth book is a false positive - it talks of something called "Finale Notepad" software.
  • The fifth book is relevant, it actually uses the phrases "notepad utility" and "notepad programs", based on the talk of the programs called NPAD and PAD. So there's one proper source, but it's from 1987. Surely a computing term would have become more popular than this 30 years later.
  • The sixth book is borderline - it actually says "even simple applications such as calculator and notepad programs are now bundled in Windows". It's possible that the author simply failed to capitalize the names of the two Windows programs he's specifically referred to.
So if that's actually a representative sample of sources for this argument, then I'd say that these redirects don't describe reality and should be deleted. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:52, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Universal Publishing and Distribution Corporation

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix (talk) 15:48, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It was not a corporation. It was a company. This is simply wrong (declined at CSD) Si Trew (talk) 05:44, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Mayu Tomita

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:10, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect target - character's name is "Tobita", not "Tomita". Tomita is written with different characters in Japanese. MSJapan (talk) 04:23, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So what would be the correct target? Just WP:BOLDly retarget it. (I vaguely know katakana and Hiragana so I can follow you if you do those but can't type them here). Hajimemashite Si Trew (talk) 10:14, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi MSJapan, you can create the new article if you think she is notable for Wikipedia but check WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E. You're probably referring to 1) a not-so-notable Japanese idol who was attacked recently (the event made international news) 2) an AKB48 member with the same name (who is not notable). 3) The Mayu in Kodocha is a minor/guest character and yes, her name is probably spelled with Tobita, however there may be English versions that go by that spelling off of Tomita instead of Tobita. This will need to be confirmed on Kodocha: Sana's Stage Engilsh manga and the Kodocha English Funimation dub. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:49, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, none of those individuals you mentioned is notable enough for an article per the policies you stated, so there's really no appropriate target. I looked for the spelling by searching for the surname in Japanese, and it is definitely Tobita. A cast list here for Kodocha also lists "Tobita" as the surname, so AFAICT, it's simply misspelled here. MSJapan (talk) 19:44, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Laxatively

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So, umm, what exactly does laxative mean when used as an adverb? I'll try to use it in a sentence:
"The firefighter laxatively rescued the child from the well."
"After receiving labor induction medications, the child was born quite laxatively."
" The landlord evicted her tenants laxatively after learning that they were drug dealers."
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Lackers

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy declined. While these are all forms of the word lack (even if Neelix made some of them up), the target for these redirects isn't the word at all, but a disambiguation page that entirely lists people and places. None of these make sense to refer to a person or place named Lack. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 13:22, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Lacking" and "Lacked" would meet all four of these. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:47, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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7/11

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The result of the discussion was retarget 7-Eleven (disambiguation). Deryck C. 21:39, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think 7-Eleven (disambiguation) makes more sense as a target. SSTflyer 12:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it be better to delete this redirect and move 7-Eleven (disambiguation) to 7/11? --Stefan2 (talk) 12:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redo per Stefan2's suggestion. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 12:39, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
7-Eleven (disambiguation)'s content fits under 7/11. After it is renamed to 7/11, the resultant 7-Eleven (disambiguation) link is not necessary as there is only one primary topic for that spelling which is the company. 7-Eleven Phones or whatever are partial title matches for the company products. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:40, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Reich Ministry of Economics

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Teacheth

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The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 21:38, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is no good reason to redirect archaic word forms. This form hasn't been used in over 300 years. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:40, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Purgatively

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Intimating

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Sunderance

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The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 21:37, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Neelix speedy declined on the argument that it is a form of sunder. Maybe so. But it targets a disambiguation page, everything on the disambiguation page is a noun, with zero refering to the verb to sunder. So, nothing on the disambiguation page would ever be called sunderance. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Teachings

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Know'st

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The result of the discussion was delete all. Deryck C. 21:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Renominating after a previous discussion ended in keep (here) as it included a lot of sensible redirects. This nomination is limited only to obscure archaic words, which I doubt anyone will defend. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:32, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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2005 Eureka Earthquake

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The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 21:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is no longer any related content on the target article. The list has really been refined over the last couple of years and we're no longer listing inconsequential events. Dawnseeker2000 02:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. It's not even listed in the Eureka, California article. Wouldn't want to get searchers' hopes up. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:13, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Typers

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix (talk) 02:08, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ohhh.. (neelix) someone who types is not a typer but a typist. In the early days, as I think Bill Bryson notes in Made in America, they were called typewriters (the people as well as the machines) leading to numerous puns of course. Is this all right? I think it is nonsense Si Trew (talk) 10:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And if you look there you will find it is to sites asking whether typer is a word and find out that Merriam-Webster says it is not. Need a better link than a Google search. We can all do that. What we need is WP:RS that this is actually used. Yes, a redirect does not have to be RS, but otherwise what happens is it becomes a word because Neelix says it is and we end up with greenisholives. I know, I am a bit of a prescriptive grammarian when it comes to these things but Neelix has created stacks of nonsense words. A google search as a justification is just not good enough; for one thing, my search results may differ and probably do differ from yours. Si Trew (talk) 20:37, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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