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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 21, 2023.

Prince Maurice of Battenberg, KCVO

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗plicit 03:52, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Implausible search term. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:47, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Tobati–Enggros languages

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The result of the discussion was Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 01:51, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Factually incorrect and misleading, no such language group exists. The creating user made several other hoax-like pages. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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2023 Ojai earthquake

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The result of the discussion was article created. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 21:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Ojai earthquake is not mentioned at the target leading to WP:SURPRISE at the target. TartarTorte 20:34, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Understood given its current form, however I'd like to state my intention to turn this into an actual article today as I believe it may pass notability guidelines. Paradoxsociety 21:14, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have created a stub article and would like to propose closing this thread. Paradoxsociety 21:34, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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War For Survival

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The result of the discussion was retarget to 7 Escape. Jay 💬 10:05, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned on this page (or seemingly any page on wikipedia with reference to the show). TartarTorte 20:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Massacres of Albanians in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1918-1945)

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 22:30, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary disambiguator; I'm neutral on creating an equivalent redirect without parentheses: Massacres of Albanians in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, while this one should be deleted either way. –Vipz (talk) 20:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Atrocities against Albanians in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1918-1941)

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 22:31, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary disambiguator; I'm neutral on creating an equivalent redirect without parentheses: Atrocities against Albanians in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, while this one should be deleted either way. –Vipz (talk) 20:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Perry the Platypus?!

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The result of the discussion was Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 01:51, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible search term created by editor blocked for DE. Any pageviews are likely from it popping up as a suggested search term when looking up "Perry the Platypus" ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 20:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can't even figure out a way to link to the section properly because of the [] in the section name. We'd need to rename the section if we'd want to retarget theere, which makes my vote an even weaker soft retarget. TartarTorte 13:28, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@TartarTorte The target doesn't make sense there since the "?!" is a stylization that could apply to a number of quotes from Doof; that's also notwithstanding the fact that it is very unlikely anyone is searching for this. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 15:14, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Vincian

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The result of the discussion was soft redirect to Wikt:Vincian. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 13:36, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recent neologism, no sustained use. GnocchiFan (talk) 16:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It's a modern term, obviously. But nonetheless it's a reasonable search term. Countless redirects exist without usage reliable sources. I agree with Trey Maturin that it shouldn't be used to erase "gay man", but nobody's requesting a move so I don't see this causing any harm as just a redirect. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My only issue is that I don't think this would be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for someone searching "Vincian"; Leonardo da Vinci was known for a lot more than his disputed sexuality. A quick search on Google shows articles on the da Vincian cardiovascular system, for example.
A lot of the user-generated sources on the Internet will inevitably be skewered towards the sexuality neologism, but there's still no evidence that this is the primary topic for this term, or that the term in relation to sexuality is notable. It's the combination of the two that is the issue for me, and why we should just delete this redirect. – GnocchiFan (talk) 18:07, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Leonardo da Vinci#Legacy with hatnote, seems like Vincian is being used as an adjective to refer to da Vinci and what he has done. Da Vincian face, da Vincian principles, etc. See wiktionary:Vincian also. --(Roundish ⋆t) 23:39, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or soft redirect to Wiktionary (wikt:Vincian), similar to how achillean is. Also, the term vincian was originally coined as a term to replace achillean (MLM), which includes bisexual men as well. It's similar to uranian (sexology). MikutoH (talk) 00:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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List of deepwater ports

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:24, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect was deleted back in 2014 at this RfD because not all deep water ports are panamax ports, at least as was the determination of that RfD. I could not find much to show that the two are synonymous, but am not 100% an expert in ports either, so I could be wrong and it's possible things have changed over the past 9 years. TartarTorte 01:43, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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M City

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. Consensus clearly prefers the DAB for now. In general, people seem to think the drafted DAB is okay, with the one problem being Manchester City; even if that's deleted, though, we still have two matches unless M City Condominiums gets deleted, which is a separate discussion to be had. (non-admin closure) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:00, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could refer to any city that starts with M; Google search results do not support the current target. Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 23:00, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Eternal death

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 18:29, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No mention at target. I suggest deletion. Veverve (talk) 14:34, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Eternal Death: ((r from miscapitalisation)). Support Duckmather's retarget and hatnote. Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 20:43, 12 August 2023 (UTC) Okay, now I support disambiguate per IP. Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 12:29, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Substratum

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Substrata. Retargeting and disambiguating are essentially the same, so I went with the former. (non-admin closure) Duckmather (talk) 21:47, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Substratum should be a dab between Substratum (linguistics) and Substratum (geology). Substrata (pl.) is already a similar dab page. Also note the primary concept, Stratum, is the geology concept, instead of Stratum (linguistics). (See also previous discussion.) fgnievinski (talk) 19:43, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate per nom. Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 21:06, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Bryce S. Ketchup

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:24, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Subject not mentioned in target article. Additionally searching this name up in quotes on Google gives no results. Colgatepony234 (talk) 18:30, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:RFD?

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The result of the discussion was no consensus leaning keep. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 18:33, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I end up at this from time to time when trying to type WP:RFD/T or the like and holding shift while typing / which makes it ?. This redirect seems to be pretty much entirely unused from pageviews and has no links to it from within wikipedia as of nomination. It seems that this could be deleted safely and it would allow those, like myself, who type WP:RFD? to have the search functionality show no page exists as opposed to being confused as to how I ended up at When to delete a redirect on the RfD page. I acknowledge the irony of this not specifically meeting a criterion laid out in WP:RFD#DELETE. TartarTorte 17:36, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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LaLiga

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. There was no support for disambiguation, and participants were split over retargeting to the body, and keeping at the current target as the primary topic. Jay 💬 16:14, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"LaLiga" is the name of the organising body of the Spanish men's first and second divisions, as well as the top woman's division. This can be seen in official documents and promotional releases. The similar naming between the body and the divisions seems to sow confusion, but considering Liga Nacional de Fútbol Profesional correctly names "LaLiga" as an alternative name it is illogical for it to be a redirect to a different one. LaLiga should either be retargeted to Liga Nacional de Fútbol Profesional or turned into a disambiguation page. DatGuyTalkContribs 08:14, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, the solution to the problem is being approached in the wrong way. LaLiga is the body/company that administers the First and Second Divisions in Spain. Therefore LaLiga should have its own page as it happened now. The error is in the name of the First Division. The current page "La Liga" should be renamed: "Primera División" or "Primera División de Fútbol Profesional" as it is popularly known. The page of the Second Division is called: "Segunda División" and not "La Liga 2". I think it was a mistake to call the popularly known "Primera División" "La Liga". When a team ascends to the First Division, the popular chants are to sing: "A primera oe, a primera oee.." the figure of LaLiga is never called. The day that the organization that administers the First Division is another with another commercial name what will be done? The Penfield Homunculus (talk) 12:19, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Retarget or disambiguate? Also, there is no move request yet at the target as suggested by one of the participants. Notified of this discussion at the proposed target talk page.
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Relisting comment: Relisting to get rid of the July 22 logpage. It seems there are several related entities at play referred to by variants of "LaLiga", but the relationship between them is unclear to me. Keep, retarget, or disambiguate?
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I think this is veering towards a noconsensus close. Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 20:08, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Moment (time)

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. No hope of consensus, as J947 said. (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 13:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

r Incomplete disambiguation. Retarget to either the disambiguation page or Instant. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Keep has momentum, but retarget collectively still has more support. One more try for clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: This is an involved relist to get rid of the July 8 logpage. What should this redirect target - Instant, Moment#Time, or Moment (unit)?
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Homosexuality legal

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 15:54, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous search term: may refer to the current legal status of homosexuality (in which case the current redirect is acceptable), or the Decriminalization of homosexuality more generally. I propose deletion as an unlikely search term, or failing that a disambiguation. GnocchiFan (talk) 15:06, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Less sure if the redirect Legal status of LGBT should also be considered here, but adding to this discussion. GnocchiFan (talk) 15:09, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Soysauce

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The result of the discussion was keep. It's snowing! (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 06:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have never seen this condiment spelled this way, without a space, anywhere on any source. The most common spellings are soy sauce, and soya sauce in British English, but never as one word "soysauce". Google searching the term in quotes does not give many results about the sauce itself. Colgatepony234 (talk) 14:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Jesse John Fleay

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

not mentioned in target article -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Maarten Rijkers

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Draft has been moved as mainspace redirect. estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:59, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Alt.slack

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The result of the discussion was keep. Closing a few hours early per WP:SNOW, and since the term is now mentioned at the target. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 06:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target. Is this alt.binaries.slack? 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:14, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Nenu Meeku Telusa...?

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 06:52, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The film's name has no dots [5]. Erroneous title. DareshMohan (talk) 05:34, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support deletion: Per nom. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This redirect page was created on 13 December 2008, titled Nenu Meeku Telusa? and redirecting Nenu Meeku Telusa...?. Redirect page Nenu Meeku Telusa? was moved to Nenu Meeku Telusa...?, and article Nenu Meeku Telusa...? was moved to Nenu Meeku Telusa?, by round-robin history swap on 25 May 2023. But the film's title in IMDb is Nenu Meeku Telusa...? (dots included), which at least can be seen as an alternative name of this film. So this redirect page should be kept, and Template:R from alternative name can be added. --Neo-Jay (talk) 06:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Since when did IMDb become RS? Please read WP:IMDB/RS. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:IMDB/RS, as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Resources, applies to article writing, and, in my view, may not apply to redirect pages. A redirect page as an alternative name does not have to be found in reliable sources. An alternative name used in common databases (such as IMDb) is also acceptable to be a redirect page (see Wikipedia:Redirect: "Alternate forms of a name as found in reliable sources and common databases."). PS: "Nenu Meeku Telusa...?" (dots included) can also be found in timesofindia.indiatimes.com (see this), which I think is a reliable source. --Neo-Jay (talk) 13:40, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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