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I'm not at all happy about Motorrad-67 (talk · contribs) constantly adding links (see above) to his own website. It is a clear conflict of interest for someone to add links to his own website. I really don't like them being added as references anyway because as a fan site they are hardly a reliable source - especially when there are so many other good BMW related resources. I'd appreciate members of this project taking a look at some of the articles that feature his link to see if you think they should be deleted and replaced as appropriate. --Biker Biker (talk) 00:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
It also has too much unauthorized copyrighted material, such as BMW-published photos and copies of entire Cycle World articles re-used without permission. Ironically, Jeff Dean, Tim Stafford and others are at pains to put copyright notices on their own photos, but don't seem to mind appropriating the intellectual property of others. In any event, Wikipedia policy says we can't link to sites that host unauthorized copies of copyrighted material -- see WP:COPYLINK. --Dbratland (talk) 01:32, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I've removed/spamified all of the links except the most recent domain (bmwdean.com). I'll get those in a bit if nobody else has. tedder (talk) 22:17, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Its happening more and more across all of Wikipedia, but I don't know why as they are all no follow links, so its just a traffic play. The way to address it on high-traffic/spam link pages is to insert a link to the appropriate page at the Open Directory Project, aka dmoz. Then if its a legitimate website, its gets added with a full follow link. External links are there to add information over the article, not provide traffic to your website! Persistent spammers should get the appropriate warning, which now gets them banned from adding links for a period. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 15:49, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
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Per offline discussion, a navbox for large (100,000+) US rallies is under development. Template:US motorcycle rallies/workpage — Brianhe (talk) 04:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
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Helmet Law Defense League is being turned into a soapbox for rants and press releases. Any help would be appreciated. --Dbratland (talk) 15:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Ghost Rider (motorcycle stuntman) has been reposted for at least the third time. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ghost Rider (motorcyclist) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ghost Rider (motorcycle stuntman). I believe it has also been speedily deleted under various alternate titles at least once before; I'm not sure how to search the logs properly. Can we salt this? It's a tiresome discussion to repeat. --Dbratland (talk) 00:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Just a heads up that I am going to research and create a decent article on this topic. I believe that it does warrant coverage but only with good references. --Biker Biker (talk) 09:39, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
In a moment of boredom (actually sheltering from the rather hot and very rare UK sun which makes it way too sweaty for bike leathers) I decided to identify as many pictures of motorcycle helmets as I could on Wikimedia Commons. If you click the link on the right you will see that I have added a few pics I found on Flickr, and have created a number of subcategories for Arai, Schuberth, AGV, Suomy, Shoe etc. In these I have placed a mixture of helmet-only photos and photos of racers wearing specific brands of helmet. From a biking perspective I find the photos fascinating - looking at how they have evolved over the years and identifying helmets I have owned myself or would love to own. From a Wikipedia perspective the pics could (should?) be added to their respective articles, which are mostly pretty sorry stubs with little or no content or colour. If you are interested, fill your boots... --Biker Biker (talk) 20:44, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Peckhammer TV is up for speedy deletion. Previously deleted after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peckhammer.blip.tv discussion. I can't find any independent mention, but if the show survivies it might be worth re-creating the article some day. I saved a copy at User talk:Dbratland/Peckhammer TV. Speak up if you know of any thing that meets Wikipedia:Notability (web) --Dbratland (talk) 03:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else here give a flying fig about bike colours? I have seen too many articles where it states model x in year y was available in colour z - but these are rarely if ever sourced. Just as Wikipedia states no prices I think we should have no colours. Typically each market has different colours - just as the prices and warranty vary from market to market. I'd like to propose that we actively discourage model year colour availability unless a) it is properly sourced and b) it shows what colours are available in different markets. No sources or only one market then we should remove the information. What do others think? --Biker Biker (talk) 22:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I would be just as happy to delete frame numbers and engine numbers; this is trivia of keen interest only to the collector's market. The key is whether or not independent sources had something to say about the color/price/frame number. The raw data alone is not of interest.
The possible exception I would make on price is very old historic models, where adjusting the price for inflation helps the modern reader understand where this bike fit in the big picture: economical commuter, something only for the very rich, or in between. --Dbratland (talk) 01:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Both the Classic Japanese Motorcycle Guide and The Ultimate History of Fast Motorcycles devote two or three pages to the RD500LC, but only Rod Ker's book mentions the blue and white color scheme, in passing, and gives no commentary on the subject other than that. If a source did have something to say about a bike's colors, you could easily cite it and justify inclusion of the colors. But if the sources don't find it interesting, and an editor does think it's interesting, the sources win. --Dbratland (talk) 02:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Created Template:Types of motorcycles this evening and started applying it to the linked articles. — Brianhe (talk) 06:36, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
This is the best sourcing I have found on it, but apparently Suzuki skipped the 2010 model year in the US, due to the backlog of unsold 2009 bikes. For street bikes, or sport bikes, at least. This has led to confusion that some models had been discontinued altogether, such as the SV650. The gap in US models does not mean a worldwide discontinuity.
Does anyone have a more definite reference on which models were skipped for 2010? --Dbratland (talk) 19:45, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
The official Honda site quotes the power output of the Honda RC30 as 77PS @9,000 rpm. The European versions are quoted as either 112bhp or 118bhp for power output. Is there a definitive power output for standard European or US models ? Agljones (talk) 09:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Looks like someone is scrubbing negative info and maintenance tags from Emilio Scotto again, claiming POV. Need 3rd opinion. See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alejandrochiffi/Archive. --Dbratland (talk) 23:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Someone take a look at V-twin engine and please sort out the list cruft that is building up thanks to the unwelcome efforts of ((User:Sandersjoshua]] (a member of this project) e.g. this edit. I don't want to get into trouble for 3RR but I feel strongly that we shouldn't list engines or manufacturers that have no articles on Wikipedia. See WP:NOTDIR. --Biker Biker (talk) 15:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
The Rock Store was recently expanded, and I created a Category:Motorcycling destinations and Commons Category:Motorcycling destinations to try to bring together some of these notable hangouts, including The Ace Cafe, Alice's Restaurant (the one in California, named after the song, not the original in Massachusetts), Newcomb's Ranch, and so on. There are a number of photos available on Commons, and I believe sufficient sources for at least a few new articles.
You might want to suggest a better name for the category. You could also rethink how this is organized and classify these differently, but it depends on which articles are written and what the source material covers.
I lumped together restaurants with routes, so Hawk's Nest, New York is included, along with Deals Gap, North Carolina. There was a Hawk's Nest Cafe in New York, but it burned down. There is a Deals Gap Motorcycle Resort attached to the route, which can be referred to as "The Tail of the Dragon" and (partially) U.S. Route 129. I think a single article suffices for Deals Gap, Tail of the Dragon, Deals Gap Motorcycle Resort, and the portion of US Route 129 that is included. Maryhill Loops Road is closed to the public but it is used for several not-quite-notable private events.
It's clear that there is a symbiosis between a popular motorcycling route and the establishments that pop up to serve the crowds, so you could make the article be about either the restaurant/resort, or the route, or both.
Related but separate categories are race destinations that have gatherings associated with them, like Daytona, the Isle of Man TT, and Hollister, California. Then there are pure gatherings where neither a route nor a race are the focus, like Sturgis and Black Bike Week. There are also numerous motorcycling-themed restaurants that don't have a riding destination tied to them, and in most cases fail notability. --Dbratland (talk) 23:24, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
This Flickr user has many motorcycle and motorcycle-related images licenced under a free Creative Commons licence, several taken in museums though the bikes are not well identified, so if you find anything useful you can upload it to the commons using the Flickr upload bot. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 16:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
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Press release from Johns Hopkins. Full study (behind paywall). --Dbratland (talk) 22:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Found this on the French Wikepedia Motorcycle Portal any thoughts on how we could use it? Thruxton (talk) 19:10, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
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Here's the outline they created: Outline of birds.
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Flash Gordon (physician), columnist for Motorcycle Consumer News, has been proposed for deletion as failing WP:BIO. Is there anything we can do to beef up the article — especially to show that he is an important contributor to motorcycling medicine? — Brianhe (talk) 19:05, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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I have nominated Motorcycle shelter for deletion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Motorcycle shelter). It is badly written and reflects poorly on this project. Save it or bin it - your choice. --Biker Biker (talk) 08:45, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
The article Wasp Motorcycles has just been listed for deletion. Wasp Motorcycles are one of the last remaining UK manufacturers and are definately notable, as they feature in the title of Don Moreley's book Classic British scramblers: all post-war two-stroke and four-stroke scrambles motorcycles, AJS to Wasp so any help in improving it or positive comments on the deletion discussion would be very welcome! Thanks Thruxton (talk) 20:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
A director of Patriot Guard Riders is currently engaging in edit warring on the article over whether it is a motorcycle club or not. I had thought this was resolved a long time ago at Talk:Motorcycle club, but clearly this editor thinks differently. Some other opinions would be useful as I'm backing off so I don't fall foul of 3RR. --Biker Biker (talk) 14:42, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neco Scooters - I have nominated Neco Scooters for deletion. It is a cheap Chinese clone manufacturer, one of hundreds, and is entirely non-notable. You of course may have different opinions which is why I invite you to look at the article, decide for yourself, then comment on the AfD. --Biker Biker (talk) 10:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Tor Sagen nominated for deletion. --Dbratland (talk) 02:58, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Any suggestions on a clean, common style to source specifications in the motorcycle infobox? I'd like to update Honda Dio but am not sure what's the best way to cite the Honda specs. — Brianhe (talk) 20:54, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
|population_footnotes=
. All we would need to do is create a specifications section in the infobox and do the same thing - using, for example, |spec_footnotes=
. Really easy. I'd be happy to have a go at it. --Biker Biker (talk) 23:30, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
(moving left) I really think sources should be attached to the line of the infobox they source, not to a general footnote section. Keeping information directly attached makes it easier to spot dubious additions and information. tedder (talk) 23:36, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
The article Super Single is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Temple Riders - I voted for deletion, but would happily change my vote and contribute to a rescue effort if anyone fancies having a go and can find references that do prove notability. --Biker Biker (talk) 21:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Hello all,
I was working through the wikify backlog when I found the article Honda RS250R. I will admit I know nothing at all about motorcycles, so I'm not in a position to assess the notability of that model and therefore whether it is appropriate to have an article on it. Therefore I thought I'd come and ask here. Does this meet the GNG, and, if so, will anyone here step up and give this article some TLC?
Jake the Editor Man (talk) 17:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Click the "en" link above and you will see that the bikez.com website is "spammed" across a lot of our articles. If you look at some of the individual pages you will see that they are anything but a reliable source, and are instead a vehicle for driving traffic to "our partners" i.e. to raise money. If you look at the site's disclaimer it specifically states that its articles cannot be considered to be 100% accurate as they contain user-contributed material - just as Wikipedia articles (or its mirrors) can never be used as references within other Wikipedia articles. I would like to propose that we have a bit of an joint anti-spam effort and get rid of this site from our articles. --Biker Biker (talk) 16:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Intercontinental motorcycle touring is a bloody awful article. I have just deleted some entire sections of how-to material but it really needs a good sort out and I would appreciate some help editing and back-up in case we get any negative reaction or ownership issues. --Biker Biker (talk) 09:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
OK I have taken a good look at what is left of Intercontinental motorcycle touring and I am minded to blank it and redirect to Long distance riding (which itself is no shining example of a Wikipedia article). I can't personally see any content in this article worth saving, but it will at least be there in the article's history. Does anyone object to me doing this? --Biker Biker (talk) 14:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
FYI, original research is not permitted at Wikibooks (see Wikiversity where it's encouraged for that). Wikibooks takes a lenient view that content does not require sources to be seen as acceptable content, but sources will be needed to keep content if there is a dispute where claims of original research are put forth. I'll import Intercontinental motorcycle touring but only the removed content will be kept at Wikibooks to avoid redundancy. Adrignola (talk) 20:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
We have some shockingly bad articles in our project. Thankfully most are one line stubs and virtually orphans so few people if any get to see them. But I just came across Malaguti and it must win some sort of (booby) prize for its quality. Any fancy a go at cleaning it up? --Biker Biker (talk) 15:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
OK here's a new candidate for the Hall of Shame: Spagthorpe. Is the article a hoax, or just a poorly explained article about an Internet hoax? — Brianhe (talk) 22:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Coverage of primordial motorcycles has increased with the creation of Michaux-Perreaux steam velocipede, Roper steam velocipede, Sylvester H. Roper, Daimler Reitwagen and Template:Early motorcycles. This presents contradiction problems for a number of articles, the crux of which is detailed in Michaux-Perreaux steam velocipede#First motorcycle?. The articles affected, so far, are:
With the longer articles it's not so bad: you can try to mention each source as the Michaux-Perraux article does, but with the timelines it's harder to squeeze the conflicting evidence into succinct bullet form. I suppose the best approach is to be bold, and make changes to the above articles as you deem best and then see who objects, and why. Then discuss and proceed from there. Please review the articles listed above and edit as needed. --Dbratland (talk) 02:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Category:Motorcycling destinations up for deletion. --Dbratland (talk) 21:03, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Please comment --Dbratland (talk) 22:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
No, not me, I mean the principle of motorcycle construction that uses the engine as a structural component e.g. the BMW R1150GS (and most of the rest of the modern R series) in which the headstock and front suspension are mounted on the front of the engine, the rear suspension onto the gearbox, and the rear subframe (which carries the seats) onto the rear of the engine. I can't find any article to cover "stressed member". Subframe touches on it. Backbone chassis is sort of along the same line. Surprisingly no mention at all is made in Motorcycle frame. So is there anyone here care to write it up in an article, or as part of an existing article? --Biker Biker (talk) 23:11, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I am seeking clarification on how the "Related" parameter should be used in ((Infobox Motorcycle)). See this. --Biker Biker (talk) 10:41, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_WR250F
The content of this page, including the characteristics and photos is relevant and accurate to the Yamaha WR250R. That particular bike is completely unrelated to the Yamaha WR250F. The Yamaha WR250F has completely different specs and appearance. Comparing the two motorcycles on Yamaha's official website should clear up any question about this.
Logically, the simplest fix is to correct the title of this page from "Yamaha WR250F" to "Yamaha WR250R". Otherwise, it would seem that you would have to create a "Yamaha WR250R" wiki page, copy and paste the current contents of the "Yamaha WR250F" page over, and then strip the current content for the WR250F wiki page out as it is not accurate for that particular bike. Presumably, somebody would then repopulate the WR250F page with the correct information for that motorcycle.
Jäger Moderator, WR250R Forum 173.180.28.128 (talk) 00:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I started an article on the Motus MST in my userspace, members of this WikiProject are encouraged to contribute to it. As the first gasoline direct injection motorcycle, it already has some historical significance. Maybe a DYK?— Brianhe (talk) 06:35, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
The question of whether or not give the 2011 CBR250R its own page or to expand Honda CBR250 provides a good test case for other articles. In the case of the Honda CB900F, I favored merging the pages for the both because the 1979-1983 and the 2002-2007 generations had much common: the were both marketed as large standards using inline transverse fours tuned for streetability, rather than high-strung race replica peak horsepower. Though the later version was more technically advanced they both still used moderate-cost componentry, like steel frames, aiming for practicality.
The sixteen valve race replica 250s made almost exclusively for the Japanese home market were narrowly tailored for Japan's graduated licensing scheme at the time whose 250cc and 40PS limits created a healthy demand for these specialized bikes. Few ordinary motorcyclists could pass the difficult test that would allow them to ride 750cc and over bikes, and so they could spend a lot for the best bike they were legally allowed to ride. As soon as the regulations changed in the mid 90s to make this niche a little less attractive, all of the bikes in this class disappeared. These bikes were in a very high state of tune and difficult to ride, with a narrow powerband, and easy to stall at low RPM. They had more trick suspensions, needed a lot of maintenance and were expensive to buy.
The new CBR250R has nothing in common with those bikes except for the nominal engine displacement and that some of the earlier bikes went by the code "CBR250R". The new bike is vastly less expensive, and though it is high tech like the prior bikes, the technological wizardry is aimed at low maintenance (16,000 mile valve adjustment interval for example) and the ability to manufactured worldwide. Where the old CBR250R was hard to ride, the new one is notably easy, with good low end torque and offering combined ABS to help beginners. The racer types who liked the old bike would dislike linked brakes and the slightly greater potential braking distance that the mechanical ABS delivers. The new CBR250R is meant to sell worldwide, complying with EURO3 emissions, and being produced in Thailand and India to keep production costs low enough to sell in both poor and rich countries.
A tougher case might be the Honda VTR250, whose two generations have less technically in common than the CB900F generations. Merges, and/or splits, along with Honda VT250 and Honda VT250F, might be in order. I would argue that target market and target buyer should be the deciding factors, with differences in features or component types being considered but not given prime importance.
And the final, most critical arbiter should be whether or not the ordinary reader benefits more from seeing the two or more generations together or separately, where they are less likely to read both pages. --Dbratland (talk) 18:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
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WP:CARPIX only says that backgrounds should be simple and not distracting, but I think trying to photoshop backgrounds white, such as in File:T110 1961 bathtub wiki.jpg and File:Suzuki Katana GSX100 wiki.jpg, and some others I've seen around, is not helpful. The effect is surreal, at best, and distracting. In many cases the quality is poor, leaving weird marks floating in the background, as in these two examples. Removing all context, such as scale, does nothing to give readers a realistic idea of the subject either. If such photos are all we have, fine, but if alternatives exist we should avoid them. --Dbratland (talk) 01:09, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Category:British motorcycles needs 160+ pages diffused. See WP:DIFFUSE and Category talk:British motorcycles#May 2008 --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I hate spam. I hate spammers. I hate single purpose accounts that think Wikipedia is somewhere they can post articles that are only intended to promote a product. In my opinion a good case in point is ThermaHelm, which I have just nominated for deletion. See both the article and the talk page before forming your own opinion on whether to keep or delete - your choice. --Biker Biker (talk) 16:48, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
The article List of intercontinental motorcycle riders had a number of non-notable entries so I chose to set basic inclusion criteria of already having an article, and thus deleted any entry that did not already have an article. This raises two issues/actions for this project. Firstly do you agree with the criteria I chose - if you do or don't then please comment at Talk:List of intercontinental motorcycle riders. Secondly, I suspect the list is short of a few notable riders so perhaps we could put our collective heads together and think of some riders who could have articles created. --Biker Biker (talk) 08:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Category:Motorcycles in The Art of the Motorcycle Exhibition nominated for deletion here. --Dbratland (talk) 03:57, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I just removed a picture from Indian (motorcycle), which showed a deserted dealership. I think it is a really dull picture that adds no value to the article, but I'm just one member of this project and I don't own any articles. Input from other project members would be welcome at Talk:Indian (motorcycle), where the image is displayed. --Biker Biker (talk) 18:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
((Infobox motorcycle)) is one of the key tools at this project's disposal. I have been pondering how we might improve the way that power (and perhaps torque) figures are presented. Most bikes will have two sets of power figures. The first is what the manufacturer states (or claims depending on your p.o.v.) in the brochure. The second is what independent testers measure at the rear wheel. I think that both are equally valid if they can be presented in a way that distinguishes between them. Manufacturers power figures are a useful comparison when looking at different models and I for one welcome them in an article - as long as it is made clear what their provenance is. I would like to suggest that we introduce two parameters "power_claimed" and "power_tested", which if used will display on different lines in the infobox. Both parameters should still be properly referenced of course. Comments? --Biker Biker (talk) 09:10, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
All of which leads me to think that if we're going to make changes, we should define the infobox power parameter to be only rear wheel, tested horsepower and torque. These are the only meaningful figures on a motorcycle anyway. The majority of your losses are from your transmission, with shaft drive costing the most power and chain the least. But you can't simply bolt on a chain drive to a shaft drive motorcycle. When the designer chooses a particular transmission, the bike pretty much has to live with it, just like it has to live with the valvetrain and the presence of balance shafts and any other fundamental components. Subtracting the drive losses would be like subtracting friction losses from the main crankshaft bearings. You can't live without it, and the friction and inertial losses from these components are determined by the trade-offs and the quality of the design. So by only showing independently tested, rear wheel horsepower, we're giving the most useful, meaningful statistic, and the one that you care about the most at a glance. It's also the figure you are most interested in for side to side comparisons, and to estimate top speed or acceleration.
Claimed, crank, and/or bhp have a place: in the body of the article, where they can be fully explained and accompanied by fair warning as to the source.--Dennis Bratland (talk) 14:07, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
If you are going to post Dyno figures, they MUST adhere to a standard method of testing or they are USELESS. HP and Torque are covered by standards that the makers are in some ways forced to observe within reason. Krontach (talk) 21:06, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I have started a draft of Paul Jr. Designs here: User:Mlpearc/Paul Jr. Designs. I would appreciate any input, comments and/or help. Also a navbox here: template:Paul Jr. Designs
Mlpearc powwow 18:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Lacking solid, independent evidence that their primary business is making motorcycles, it might be better to write an article about the TV show and just have a section about the bikes. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Well the layout needs a lot of work and more info but, I got some refs. :) Mlpearc powwow 04:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Created this article as part of my work to build up the Hayward articles. Im not a bike enthusiast myself, but he seems notable, and im proud to have him in hayward ( i see his shop every day on my commute). Does anyone think a list of bike makers, with a brief summary next to each name, would be a good page to create? some dont like lists, but i think they complement categories.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:12, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
There are way too many links to cyclechaos.com on our articles. The website is a motorcycle wiki, run by enthusiasts not recognised experts and as such it meets neither the reliable sources criteria, nor those listed at WP:ELNO. Some of the content is forked from Wikipedia but with no credit back to the site, as is required by Wikipedia's licence. Over the next few days I'm going to expunge every link to the website that exists within articles. --Biker Biker (talk) 07:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
OK. So that's fixed. The next bum source on my list is this one - motorbike-search-engine.co.uk --Biker Biker (talk) 15:44, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
OK. So that's history too. What next for spam / unreliable source removal? --Biker Biker (talk) 11:54, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
My next it is this one, which is just a bunch of pictures of old British bikes with no encyclopaedic content. What makes it worse is that all the existing links are broken and now simply redirect to the general gallery page. We don't need a site with pictures - that's what WIkimedia Commons is for. --Biker Biker (talk) 09:20, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
http://www.ianchadwick.com is cited in about 80 articles. From his bio http://www.ianchadwick.com/bio.htm it look like he's a professional journalist with an academic background, but the problem with citing his web page is that it's entirely self published. There's no editor or publisher doing any fact checking. The same problem, by the way, happens at http://www.ashonbikes.com/, which I have cited and would like to trust. Kevin Ash is an authority, but his personal site isn't edited by anyone but him, and howlers have appeared regularly. Fortunately, most of Ash's best articles end up published elsewhere, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/kevin-ash/, after having been gone over, and the improvement is noticeable.
I'd say these sources are useful to us, but unreliable as footnotes. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
“ | Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. | ” |
See Talk:Norton Manx#Article rating --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm about to get out my sharpest hatchet to have at this article. Anyone care to comment or save anything before I reduce it to a bleeding stub? --Biker Biker (talk) 22:07, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
This is the third time this pop culture section was added to Scooter (motorcycle) in the space of 8 hours. No reply to discussion here or talk page query here. No edit summary. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Quite an impressive list. It's a good start however, for a bike like the Honda CB750 not to be near the top may indicate that the categories may need some tweaking. It seems as though the CB750 isn't ranked high enough because it wasn't the fastest bike. While top speed is a notable category, perhaps there should be other categories to offset it. The Ducati 916 might be another example. While it wasn't the fastest motorcycle of its period, it was considered by many in the motorcycling press as the best handling bike on the market.Orsoni (talk) 04:35, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
In the case of the CB750, you can augment the museum/book list with other sources. In Sport bike I list five sources saying it was a milestone bike, and more could be piled on. Things become more diluted in 1984: Sport bike has two sources each saying the modern race replica era began with the 1984 Honda VF750F and 1985 Suzuki GSX-R750, but I could add several more that say it was in fact the 1984 Kawasaki GPZ900R. So clearly 1984-5 was a watershed, but which bike is the exemplar is harder to say, and the importance of all three becomes decreased in this ranking system.
So I'm saying the list can be a starting point but it must be augmented with other factors and occasionally totally overruled by a significant enough expert opinion. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:03, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Can Genuine Scooters be rehabilitated from non-notability? Sources are the company website, a press release, and the motorcycle.com model listing. -- Brianhe (talk) 03:59, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Bradley Smith (motorcyclist) -> Bradley Smith (motorcycling)? Peter Egan (columnist) -> Peter Egan (motorcycling)? Discuss at WikiProject Motorcycle Racing. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 14:23, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
At the very least the article capitalization of Hero Honda Split is contrary to conventions. But regardless of caps, the title doesn't sound right to me, can the Project members give some suggestions? Maybe it shouldn't even be a separate article but folded back in to Hero MotoCorp? Brianhe (talk) 23:25, 9 August 2011 (UTC)