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It may be more appropriate to call the page "Anarchism and sexuality" -Reconsider the static (talk) 10:31, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
even though i also prefer sex to love it deals also with romance and love so i thought it would be better sex/love. i will expand on the "love" part for example when i will mention the Errico Malatesta essay "love and anarchy" where he says love its some kind of "opium of the masses". Also it will include the views of Kropotkin.--Eduen (talk) 13:56, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, i think thaat the new title combines in itself many things which are just silly. Should we continue the trend and create "Issues related to anarchism and issues related to sex and love", after all we are discussing not only strict anarchist movement, but also submovements and such. Also now the question comes to mind what are "issues related to", child rearing is definitely related to sex and love, personal hygene is related to both also, but it is pretty clear that this is not what the article is about. Beta M (talk) 02:58, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
I have to agree, this title is *awful*. I really don't see why "Anarchism and sexuality" was a bad title, but "Anarchist perspectives on sexuality" would be good, too. I'm not sure why the "and love" part was added, which I don't think adds meaningfully to the article and does not follow usage elsewhere on the various perspectives on sexuality articles. Iamcuriousblue (talk) 00:31, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
The list has been removed claiming that it was "original research" even though all the sources were present. I have a feeling that the real reason for the removal was something different, but i'm not going to get into an edit war over this. I've moved the content to List of anarchist pornographic projects and models, it probably will fit there much better anyhow. I just wanted to announce it here, so that it doesn't look like i'm doing it behind somebody's back. Beta M (talk) 19:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
pornography is sex.--Eduen (talk) 05:58, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
The list was deleted back in 2012. The last good version is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_anarchist_pornographic_projects_and_models&oldid=480514185 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.78.37.40 (talk) 20:15, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi, i was thinking that it would be a good idea to write about such an occurrence. I know it's a sad fact, but such things to take place, and it does not make sense to simply ignore them. I think i'll make it into a separate section. Beta M (talk) 03:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Related to this issue there is already a small section dedicated to "anarchist homophobia". I hope anything you add is well sourced since it will be nice to keep a good quality standard on this article.--Eduen (talk) 07:09, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
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Just curious as to why you talk about John Henry Mackay and sex, but don't talk about his relationship to pedophilia. Mackay wrote a whole series of book under the pseudonym Sagitta about what many of us would call child rape, but what he called “pederastic emancipation.” These were called Books of the Nameless Love. Other anarchists were aware of what he was doing to young boys; Mackay himself, in a letter to Benjamin Tucker, called the identity of Sagitta “an open secret.” Mackay’s contributions to the causes of both pedophilia and anarchism are probably best summed up by the concluding paragraph of his 2002 biography—and please note the title was not meant ironically—The Anarchist of Love: The Secret Life of John Henry Mackay: “Not only those of us who share his individualist anarchist views, but all of us in the gay movement—and boy-lovers especially—can rejoice in the tradition of John Henry Mackay: his struggle for equal freedom of all, for the recognition of our love as the equal of any other—the struggle of the individual for freedom from all oppression of whatever kind.” So no matter whether you think pedophilia is "emancipation" or whether you think, as I do, that Mackay was a sexual predator, it is not particularly honest to talk about his contributions to anarchist thoughts about sexuality without divulging his pedophilia.
citation: Kennedy, Hubert, Anarchist of Love: The Secret Life of John Henry Mackay, Peremptory Publications, San Francisco, 2002, p. 46. http://archive.org/details/AnarchistOfLoveTheSecretLifeOfJohnHenryMackay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C55:7200:39F:1D45:27EA:2E9F:1A5F (talk) 21:02, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
I reverted your merge of Relationship anarchy. While I appreciate bold editing, your merge action certainly seems to violate the closed RfC at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Relationship anarchy (2nd nomination). As WP:BRD suggests, please open a discussion on the article's talk page or t another appropriate location, since you seem to want to merge several articles into Anarchism and issues related to love and sex. Peaceray (talk) 14:52, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Relationship anarchy is not an approach that fits into the category of non-monogamies, nor can it be included under the umbrella term of polyamory since it doesn't focus on refuting affective sexual exclusivity. Instead, it centers on challenging the whole set of authoritarian, normative, individualistic, and coercive attributes of the dominant culture in terms of relationships.
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In Anarchism & Sexuality: Ethics, Relationships and Power (Routledge, 2011) there is much mention of gender identity, there is critique of "the binary sex/gender system", there's discussion of heteronormativity and homonormativity, etc. Even if this article is lacking in this regard, anarchism isn't. So all of these concepts are well represented in the subject of this article, it being the parent article. Naturally, since RA also comes from anarchism, being a (particular 21st century) "application of anarchist principles to intimate relationships" (Wikipedia), it will involve these interrelated topics. In Polyamory in the 21st Century: Love and Intimacy with Multiple Partners (Rowman & Littlefield, 2012), Andie Nordgren is interviewed and is called an anarchist, directly—in the sense that she formulated RA as a response to polyamory in it's aspects which were antithetical to anarchism. Even polyamory in general is said to be anarchist in Europe: "In Europe and the United Kingdom, polyamory seems more of interest to those with a political bent who appreciate the anarchistic appeal of free love as advocated by Emma Goldman ..." Then, the Handbook of the Sociology of Sexualities (Springer, 2015) says: "Relationship anarchy is a new concept that recently developed out of polyamorous and anarchist communities".A blog post featured on the RA website titled The anarchism of “relationship anarchy” discusses how RA "came from an anarchist context where it was literally just anarchism applied to relationships" (link). Looking at the "other side" there is no evidence of anarchists critiquing RA as non-anarchist, not on reddit for example, where there are indeed posts about RA, with someone only calling it a lifestylism which is still an internal critique within anarchism. So I would say that RA is a 21st century instance of anarchism as it relates to issues of love, sex, gender identity, non-binary identity, etc. (I simply imagine that these words are in the title of this article already, but the title can't be that long). As such it would be something that merits inclusion here. If it's included here, it might as well be included only here, because the content is so short that everything can easily fit. — Alalch Emis (talk) 23:39, 21 November 2021 (UTC)Queer anarchism, or anarcha-queer, is an anarchist school of thought that advocates anarchism and social revolution as a means of queer liberation and abolition of hierarchies such as homophobia, lesbophobia, transmisogyny, biphobia, transphobia, heteronormativity, patriarchy, and the gender binary.
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The lead to this article reads
Major anarchist thinkers (except Proudhon) generally supported women's equality.
It makes sense, it's broadly accurate, and it is well documented. However, it seems to imply that Proudhon is the only political anarchist who didn't support women's equality. He is probably the most widely referenced "antifeminist anarchist" but not the only. My proposal is to change it to
Major anarchist thinkers (notably except Proudhon) generally supported women's equality.
as it seems to be a concise fix. However, I'm not sure it's the cleanest edit and am hoping someone else has an idea, or can suggest an improvement. Thoughts? - Procyonidae (talk) 08:00, 3 July 2022 (UTC)