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Adding the economics of patents connection with royalties that have been part of the economy behind the scenes of countries like India to keep the cost of GMO crop from getting to inflated preventing monopolizing the market.

"Patents aren't the only thing that expire or change. Royalties are also incurred depending on the laws implemented by each country. In each country Patents must be in place and royalties have to be approved by the government on how it is appropriated. These royalties are managed by law in order to prevent monopoly of the market by any GMO producers."

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Shantasukra (talk) 15:53, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ooof, that was citing Shiva too. Shantasukra, that is a huge WP:NPOV issue, namely that we don't take points of view from WP:FRINGE activists. In this subject, that would be like going to a climate change denier for sourcing in a climate change article. We generally want to steer clear from such activist sources because they're practically never reliable. KoA (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Karine Peschard & Shalini Randeria (2020) Taking Monsanto to court: legal activism around intellectual property in Brazil and India, The Journal of Peasant Studies, 47:4, 792-819, DOI: 10.1080/03066150.2020.1753184
  2. ^ Monsanto loses right to patent seeds." Pioneer [New Delhi, India], 17 Apr. 2018. Gale OneFile: News, Accessed 21 Nov. 2021.

adding to regulations in the united states.

adding regulations that were updated and noted by the usda in 2020.

"Regulations in the United States are changing with the times as the USDA had updated its regulation to streamline and help increase productivity of future Crops in the United States to stay ahead and keep its consumers safe with new GMO products coming to the market. This occurred on May 14, 2020 when they announced their plans to update the Regulations regarding Biotechnology in the agriculture field."

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Nothing is particularly informative in this content text. WP:NOTNEWS policy applies too. The article here should be an overview of what policies are for GMOs rather than take a late-breaking approach to new developments and describing them in a blow by blow fashion. KoA (talk) 01:19, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ USDA "USDA SECURE Rule Paves Way for Agricultural Innovation" May 14, 2020 https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/newsroom/news/sa_by_date/sa-2020/secure

Bt cotton and farmer suicides in India

The sentence "widespread introduction of Bt cotton led to 25% decline in farmer suicides in India." should be removed. Cited to a 2020 'Brief Communication' by Stuart J. Smyth[1] , the sentence gives undue weight to a Brief Communication that advances a view of causation not supported by more complete review articles focused on Bt Cotton and suicides in India: Gruère, G. & Sengupta, D. (2011)[2] and other refs found in the section Farmers'_suicides_in_India#GM_crops describe some correlation, but not a clear causal link between Bt cotton and changes in suicide numbers. These papers also describe a complex set of factors that are correlated with farmer suicides, including weather, institutional factors, and economic factors. Smyth's paper presents no supporting data on suicides in India, and the only citation Smyth uses related to suicides in India is to Gruère, G. & Sengupta, D. (2011), who do not discuss such a 25% decline. In fact, Gruère & Sengupta's paper includes the statement "our analysis is sufficiently well documented to discredit the possibility of a naive direct causal or reciprocal relationship between Bt cotton and farmer suicides."p332 Dialectric (talk) 20:23, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Most of this comment gets into WP:OR criticism that would require sourcing from reliable sources, not an anonymous Wikipedia editor. Especially since you're cherry-picking studies pushing a WP:FRINGE theory, that attempt at removal and violating WP:NPOV is still an issue.
At the end of the day, both sources in question give WP:MEDRS commentary with no sources disputing those. Short communications are essentially mini-reviews that still undergo peer-review and are expected to have high-impact on the field to have such focus, unlike op-eds, etc. KoA (talk) 20:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OR makes clear that “This policy does not apply to talk pages and other pages which evaluate article content and sources”. Determining whether a given source describes correlation or causation is reading comprehension, not research.
I have alerted you in the past to your misuse/overuse of WP:FRINGE which again does not apply here. Gruère and Sengupta 2011 is a widely cited paper in this area, and as noted in my edit summary is referenced by Smyth. Gruère and Sengupta 2011 is also in line with every pubmed-indexed paper focused on farmer suicides in India and Bt Cotton. De Tavernier 2017 ( doi: 10.1186/s40504-017-0052-z) Merriott 2016 (doi: 10.1016/j.jegh.2016.03.003) Sheridan 2009 (doi: 10.1038/nbt0109-9), and Gilbert 2013 (doi: 10.1038/497024a) all dismiss a causal connection between Bt Cotton and an increase in farmers’ suicides, countering some activist narratives, and none describe a causal connection between Bt Adoption and a decrease in suicides. Smyth is the outlier here.
We've also discussed your "alerts" parts of avoiding WP:FRINGE, not to mention misusing MEDRS sources, so no need to bring that up on article talk pages.
At the end of the day, if you disagree with the journal article, write to the journal editor or get your own publication. All of the articles you mention are prior to 2020, so of course they're not going to mention Smyth. If you find MEDRS sources that disagree, then that can be discussed, but at this point, there isn't really anything to dispute. KoA (talk) 01:08, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Smyth, Stuart J. (April 2020). "The human health benefits from GM crops". Plant Biotechnology Journal. 18 (4): 887–888. doi:10.1111/pbi.13261.
  2. ^ Gruère, G.; Sengupta, D. (2011). "Bt Cotton and Farmer Suicides in India: An Evidence-based Assessment". Journal of Development Studies. 47 (2): 316–337. doi:10.1080/00220388.2010.492863. PMID 21506303. S2CID 20145281.