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This article is repeated in the article Mainland China. Is it necessary? User:Kowloonese, 15 Apr 2003
Removed the sentence about da-lu ren excluding all residents of Taiwan. A person who recently immigrated to Taiwan from Mainland China (as would be the case with someone who was married) would probably be classified as a da-lu ren. They almost certainly would not be a wai-sheng-ren.
There aren't many people in this category, but they are enough so that *all* is false.
Should the bulk of this article be moved to Mainlander, Chinese? Jiang 23:28 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Why don't we just call the new daughter article Waisheng Ren? Even for some non-English nouns with unambiguous and uncontroversial translations, such as Aozora Bunko, officially, their "translations" is just its Romanization. Latin books, Korean proclamations, many are untranslated despite the ease of doing so. --Menchi 07:02, Jul 31, 2003 (UTC)
I see someone raised this question already. I read from the article saying waishengren are "Chinese by race but born in Taiwan", I find that statement offensive. Even Singaporeans are "Chinese by race". I have changed that statement. --bobby 04:43 6/July/2005 (UTC)
1. "Ō·-á --> Ou7-a2" why remove the tones? i though the romanization should have tones, not numbers
2. "called "old taro" (老芋仔 due to the similarity between the shape of Mainland China and the taro leaves) --> Old Ou7-a2 (老芋仔)" why was legitimate information destroyed? if it's inaccurate, state it here
3. "==Chinese mainlanders (Taiwan)== --> ==Chinese mainlanders in [[Taiwan]]==</noiki>" The Manual of Style suggests that we not wikify headings 4. "''Waishengren'' are descended from the people who followed [[Chiang Kai-shek]] to [[Taiwan]]" --> "The Taiwanese are descended from the people who followed [[Chiang Kai-shek]] to [[Taiwan]]" the latter is such a ridiculous claim that I dont really have to explain further 5. "anyone else who sensed that the Communist regime would ultimately be worse" --> "anyone else who correctly sensed that the Communist regime would ultimately be worse" the latter is POV for obvious reasons. please avoid supporting one groups claims over another 6. "Mainlander is used to describe a person, Chinese by race, born and raised in mainland China, thereby avoiding confusion with ''waishengren''. (someone whose ancestors were from the Mainland China, but born in Taiwan, or decended from someone born in Taiwan)." --> "Mainlander is used to describe a person, Chinese by race, born and raised in mainland China, thereby avoiding confusion with Taiwanese (someone who may be Chinese by race, but born in Taiwan, or decended from someone born in Taiwan)." benshengren are never called mainlander. this edit is destroying the text. --~~~~
The use of the term mainlander in Newfoundland might not follow the strict geographical definition: are Cape Bretoners mainlanders? what about Labradoreans? The geographical definition may say no, and yes, respectively but the (political) usage of mainlander to mean any Canadian not from the province of Newfoundland and Labrador would reverse these. The construction of the Canso Causeway linking Cape Breton to the rest of Nova Scotia muddies the waters further, turning a former island into a peninsula by basically artificial means.
The term is seemingly not used at all in Montréal, despite Montréal and Laval, Quebec both being islands. The terms North Shore and South Shore are used instead, as at this point both are in Québec and therefore Canadian but are located in opposite directions. The same is not true in the 1000 Islands, also on the St. Lawrence River, where a mainlander as viewed from Wolfe Island, Ontario would almost always be a resident of the north shore - the south shore being in a completely foreign country and therefore normally referred to by the name of that state or country. --carlb 12:46, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
there is a link in here to the hokkien disabiguation page and i can not find it, i corrected one link in my edit, but it still says there is another. if someone could find it and fix it, that would be great. Bigbadbyte 19:21, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
The Laos part could be a bit clearer. Thanks --Dpr 18:13, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I've never heard that term before. Where's it from?Readin (talk) 23:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Singapore needs to be removed from the first paragraph. It gives a false impression that Singaporeans call the people on mainland China "mainlanders". That's not the case. Singapore is only *sometimes* included in Greater China for economic and financial topics (normally it is not). It is similar to Hong Kong and Macau are only sometimes included in "mainland China". There may be lots of Han Chinese in Singapore, but Singaporeans are not part of the "Zhonghua Minzu". See talk:Zhonghua minzu.--pyl (talk) 01:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Are they necessarily those who arrived centuries ago or just before the Japanese colonial era? I ask this, because there are people who have lived there since the 19th Century, but do not fall under the classification of waishengren. The alliance (talk) 17:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate the effort put forth by User:乾隆帝 to make a nice-looking infobox for the article. I went ahead and removed much of it, though, as the original version of it was far too large, taking up most of the space in the lede and cramming the actual text (which is the most important part of the lede) into a narrow column. It's not necessary to show 30 people in the infobox; just a small sampling is fine (and if you do want to include 20+ people, it can be done in a format that doesn't take up so much space, as is done here). What I did was just arbitrarily remove the last 3 from each row, and I think I also removed one or two rows.
There are some problems with the pictures selected, though. Almost all of them are politicians, which does not give a very varied representation of Mainland Chinese people. The original version, as far as I can tell, had two athletes, two actresses, and a writer; the other 25 people were all political figures. In what is left after I trimmed it, the variety is admittedly even worse. Also, all the people pictured right now are Han (the original version had two Tibetans and one Uyghur), which is somewhat inappropriate given that Han are not the only ethnicity that constitute Mainland Chinese.
Finally, I am somewhat skeptical about even using ((Infobox Ethnic group))
in an article that is about a group of people that is defined politically/geographically rather than ethnically. rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:23, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
The "Mainlanders in Hong Kong" section of the article identifies 表姐 as a derogatory term for mainlander, and states that 表姐 literally means "female cousin." Does 表姐 really mean "female cousin" in Hong Kong, and is it really a derogatory term? In Taiwan, 表姐 means "elder (than the speaker) female cousin on the mother's side," and it most certainly is not derogatory. I hope someone with expertise in Hong Kong Chinese usage will confirm / correct this.
I also question the veracity of the article's definition for 表叔 as "father's male cousin," since I am only familiar with 表 as referring to the mother's side of the family, not the "father's." But again, I've spent very little time around Hong Kong people, so I can't vouch for their use of the time. Phlar (talk) 22:33, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
I think waishengren deserve their own article, with a link from this article. They're a very distinct and well-defined group of migrants (from '45-'49, from China to Taiwan) who are independent of later Chinese migrants to Taiwan or Chinese migrants to Hong Kong. This is backed up by RS and academic research. The current section also suffers from the issue that it's overly focused on a small number of waishengren elites. The other problem is that waishengren is in contradiction with the lead sentence of this article, which states that mainland Chinese are people who live on mainland China. Well, waishengren don't. DrIdiot (talk) 09:23, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
In fact I would argue that this could be generalized (though I have much less ability to write an article about Hong Kong etc.). This page should be a disambiguation. What unifies these migrants versus other groups of Chinese migrants and other diaspora, e.g. in Indonesia, Malaysia...? DrIdiot (talk) 09:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
The current text has a lot of problems. E.g. 原住民 doesn't mean "original resident" -- it just means indigenous people. Also 新住民 refers to new immigrants, not waishengren. 榮民 just means veteran; sure it literally means "honorable people" but it just means veteran -- no need to etymologize everything. The new article will fix all of this. DrIdiot (talk) 12:37, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
I am blanking this list. It's totally indiscriminate. If one were thorough the list would be massive. Perhaps there should be a separate article for it. I'm copy-pasting it here for anyone who is interested in creating said article.
Name | Information | Birthplace | Ancestral Province |
---|---|---|---|
Chiang Kai-shek | former President of the ROC, Generalissimo | Zhejiang | Zhejiang |
Ma Ying-jeou | former President of the ROC | Hong Kong | Hunan |
Chiang Ching-kuo | former President of the ROC | Zhejiang | Zhejiang |
Hau Pei-tsun | politician | Jiangsu | Jiangsu |
Hau Lung-pin | politician, previous Mayor of Taipei City, son of Hau Pei-tsun | Taiwan | Jiangsu |
Hu Shih | scholar | Shanghai | Anhui |
Li Ao | writer | Heilongjiang | Shandong |
Ang Lee | film director | Taiwan | Jiangxi |
Terry Guo | entrepreneur | Taiwan | Shanxi |
Morris Chang | entrepreneur | Zhejiang | Zhejiang |
Teresa Teng | singer | Taiwan | Hebei |
Joey Wong | actress | Taiwan | Anhui |
Leehom Wang | singer, actor | United States | Zhejiang |
Jeremy Lin | NBA basketball player | United States | Zhejiang |
Lucy Liu | actress | United States | Beijing |
Amber Liu | singer | United States | Guangdong |
Mark Tuan | singer | United States | Hunan |
Richie Ren | singer, actor | Taiwan | Hubei |
Will Pan | singer, actor | United States | Shanghai |
Godfrey Gao | model and actor | Taiwan | Shanghai |
Eddie Huang | Chef, writer, TV host | United States | Hunan |
Andrew Yang | US 2020 Democratic Presidential Candidate | United States | Guangdong |
Elaine Chao | Politician, US Labor Secretary | Taiwan | Shanghai |
Chang Tso-chi | Film director | Taiwan | Guangdong |
Ellen Pao | Technology executive | United States | Hebei |
Joseph Tsai | co-founder of Alibaba Group | Taiwan | Shanghai |
Steve Chen | co-founder of YouTube | Taiwan | Shanghai |
Jerry Yang | co-founder of Yahoo! | Taiwan | Shanghai |
Kai-Fu Lee | founding president of Google China | Taiwan | Sichuan |
Hung Hsiu-chu | KMT party leader | Taiwan | Zhejiang |
David Ho | medical doctor and HIV/AIDS researcher | Taiwan | Jiangxi |
Samuel Ting | Physicist and Nobel Prize Laureate | United States | Shandong |
Liu Chen | Physicist | Zhejiang | Zhejiang |
Lin Chuan | Current ROC Premier | Taiwan | Jiangsu |
Cheng Nan-jung | Pro-Independence activist | Taiwan | Fujian |
H.T. Chen | Dancer, choreographer | Shanghai | Shanghai |
Wang Yun-wu | Scholar, politician | Shanghai | Guangdong |
David Lee | ROC Foreign Minister | Taiwan | Shandong |
Yen Teh-fa | Former Chief of Staff of ROC Military | Taiwan | Jiangsu |
Chiu Kuo-cheng | Current Chief of Staff of ROC Military | Taiwan | Jiangsu |
Ethan Juan | Actor, model | Taiwan | Zhejiang |
Eric Chu | KMT politician | Taiwan | Zhejiang |
Chiang Wan-an | KMT politician | Taiwan | Zhejiang |
Wang Shin-lung | Commander of the ROC Army | Taiwan | Zhejiang |
Huang Shu-kuang | Commander of the ROC Army Navy | Taiwan | Hunan |
Lee Hsi-ming | ROC Admiral | Taiwan | Qingdao |
Lee Ming-che | Arrested Taiwan Independence Dissident | Taiwan | Anhui |
Lien Chan has been sometimes denoted a waishengren, often by his political opponents, although the general perception on Taiwan is that he is not. Although he was born in mainland China and his mother was of mainland ancestry, his father's ancestral home was in Tainan, Taiwan.
(end of paste) DrIdiot (talk) 13:10, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
That said, there are other problems with it. It includes people who only briefly stayed in Taiwan before moving on to the United States. These people, who did not live in Taiwan for very long, are not generally considered waishengren if they never went back. It also includes 3rd generation born in the United States. And it's missing very prominent WSR such as Edward Yang and Hou Hsiao-hsien. DrIdiot (talk) 13:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
The term "mainlander" can mean different things in different contexts. Turning this page into a disambiguation would essential consist of moving Mainland_Chinese#Mainlanders_in_Hong_Kong to its own section of Hongkongers. DrIdiot (talk) 09:21, 28 November 2021 (UTC)