Marines or soldiers?

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Marines:

NOUN:
1a. A soldier serving on a ship or at a naval installation.


marine (SOLDIER)
noun [C]
a soldier who works closely with the navy and is trained especially for military operations on land which begin from the sea


Marine (SOLDIER)
noun [C]
a member of the United States Marine Corps, a part of the US military forces that consists of soldiers who operate on land and sea


n.
A "soldier" serving on a ship or at a naval installation.


adjective
military of seagoing soldiers: relating to soldiers who serve at sea as well as on land
noun
military seagoing soldier: a soldier who serves at sea as well as in the air and on land, e.g. a member of the U.S. Marine Corps


serving on shipboard, as soldiers.


one of a class of soldiers serving on shipboard or in close association with a naval force; specifically : a member of the U.S. Marine Corps



A solider serving on shipboard; a sea soldier; one of a body of troops trained to do duty in the navy. <-- a member of the marine corps -->


Noun

marine corps (plural: marine corps; adjective: marine)

A military organization of soldiers who are trained and equipped to fight on or from ships.


I think I will call them soldiers. WikiDon 03:50, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bullets and Bayonets

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The following extract, taken from the book "Bullets and Bayonets," edited by the Okinawa Prefectural Office of Historiography and published by Okinawa Prefectural Board of Education relates to a land seizure incident in Oroku in 1953, approximately 12 kilometres south of Futenma, and two years before 462,000 square metres of land was requisitioned in Ginowan City to extend Futenma Air Station and Camp Foster:

"On 5 December at 8.15 a.m. the American military bulldozers suddenly arrived. 1,200 residents hurried to the scene, surrounded the bulldozers, and demanded that the bulldozers leave. Then, about one hour later fourteen or fifteen armored vehicles arrived with four or five light machine guns and more than a dozen heavy machine guns with live ammunition. The residents were surrounded by 350 armed soldiers in full battle gear. The somewhat surreal atmosphere at first gave the impression that it was all being done for show, but as the circle tightened and the bayonet points began to touch flesh, many began to fear the day would end in a bloody massacre.

"Irritated at the obstinate resistance tactics of the residents, the U.S. soldiers finally started attacking people with their rifle butts, kicking them with their combat boots, and throwing them into drainage ditches, among other things. Fifty Okinawan policemen showed up to observe the goings on, and their commander is reported to have burst into tears when he witnessed the barbarous behavior of the American soldiers. The resolute position of resistance taken by the residents that day could easily have led to a massacre of 1,200 people, had things gotten out of hand."

This is how many Okinawans, including residents of Ginowan experienced the policy described by the US military in its own version of history as helping "to fulfil the 1952 treaty commitment of the United States to defend Japan."—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.25.183.3 (talk • contribs) 13:22, 19 July 2006.

Isn't that book called bulldozers and bayonetts? 89.196.4.51 (talk) 00:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Bulldozers, yes. See below and p. bblg.--5.249.14.10 (talk) 10:58, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Information or US military PR?

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I wonder why the following inconvenient facts, all of which are a matter of public record, are overlooked in this article:

At the very least, an accurate account of the history of Futenma Air Station should contain all the above salient facts, plus:

In addition, I would also expect obvious falsehoods to be corrected.

Wikipedia etiquette guidelines recommend that editing should not simply be reverted.

Unfortunately that has already been the case with this site, which is so obviously the creation of a US military associated organization.

My humble request is that the author(s) at least modify the site to include the information outlined above, or engage with it.

Attempts to change the highly selective information currently available (along the above lines) were greeted with accusations of bias.

Provided all the above points are addressed by our current editor(s), I’d be happy to withdraw my complaints.

Until then, I will continue to view the account contained on this site as a vehicle for US military public relations, rather than as a contribution to promoting a public understanding of the history of the Futenma base.

Peter Simpson Associate Professor Okinawa International University peter@okiu.ac.jp—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Afansi (talkcontribs) 12:18, 18 July 2006.

No personal attacks

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Please follow Wikipedia policy on No Personal Attacks. Prof. Simpson, your statement to Looper5920 above (bold emphasis mine) — "I think it is safe to say they are for the most part either dupes or agents of US military propaganda .... I think it's safe to assume that you must fall into one of these categories" — fall under Wikipedia's rules against incivility and could be construed as a personal attack. You have made your point of view clear — in your comments on this talk page, in your edits to the article, and from your inclusion of the FHAN site with which you are associated. It is inappropriate to attack editors who do not readily support your point of view. — ERcheck (talk) 03:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No Offense Intended

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Please just call me Peter, and sorry I neglected to sign my last message, even though I don't regret a word of its contents. In my view Looper-san is being a bit oversensitive. Why can't he just deny my allegation, rather than appealling to a higher authority? If someone said I was an agent or a dupe of, this or that organisation, what's to stop me simply admitting or denying it? You correctly associate me with FHAN because I let you know who I am. I deny being a dupe of FHAN and I admit being an agent of FHAN. Simple as that! Why can't Looper just come up with an honest answer to a similar question? If you let your contributors remain in the shadows you'll end up with pages written by - or on behalf of - people who are there already. Next, on the subject of politeness, isn't it uncivil to delete facts from a website and exchange them for falsehoods? I consider the site as I encountered it on Sunday, containing the ridiculous lie that "An anti-relocation 'prefectural peoples rally' in March was an embarrassing failure for the sponsors when only 6,000 attendees showed up, instead of the 35,000 claimed" an insult not just to myself, but to all the 35,000 people who attended the rally. I make no secret of the fact that I was one of them. As a teacher, I consider the repetition of falsehood an insult to my profession. If you want Wikipedia to look like Fox News, go ahead and let anonymous US military people or their agents write your history pages. Today I've made minimal changes to the site which I hope will survive. The helicopter crash and dugong issues are really crucial, and it's a travesty to exclude them. I'm also waiting for permission to add an aerial photo of the base, which I think is long overdue, and much more appropriate than a military logo. If none of these changes are deleted my faith in Wikipedia might be somewhat restored: after all, these are the most salient details people should be able to access.

--61.25.183.3 10:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)Peter Simpson[reply]

  • I'll pipe in. I think Peter will be a great editor - it seems like he has a lot to contribute. These are his first edits, and he just needs some time to discover what this project is or isn't. When I first signed on, I got into a pissing contest with an administrator over an article I had created (the record is still on my talk page), and I was mad at the time - I realize now he was right. I think the information he has for the article is good; it just needs to be presented NPOV and be verifiable, 2 of the cornerstones of wikipedia.--Nobunaga24 00:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maintaining NPOV, accuracy, and verifiability

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The following statements in the current version of the article should be addressed:

I expanded and added a citation. — ERcheck (talk) 16:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To maintain NPOV, there needs to be balanced coverage of the controversy. — ERcheck (talk) 14:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Questioning NPOV Accuracy and Verifiability

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Unfortunately I find myself in disagreement with my one - albeit lukewarm - sympathiser who seems to think I just need to get to know the ropes. I've just deleted a ludicrous unsourced paragraph alleging that current Governor Inamine and his party boycotted a rally in 1995, long before he had any direct involvement in Okinawan politics, let alone became governor.

I find this as absurd as the 6,000 figure planted earlier as the attendance at the March rally, which was resurrected after I replaced it with facts that are on public record and could have been reliably checked in a couple of seconds.

Even so I have Wikipedia to thank though for encouraging me in my efforts to continue to challenge the US military account which still takes pride of place on the site and almost everywhere else.

No doubt loads of made-up information will appear on this site over the next weeks and months, while anyone who seeks to challenge it will be accused of an ideological bias apparently absent among those who swear by a Wikipedia objectivity that highlights military PR and buries dissent.

I leave the site slightly less contaminated by military propaganda than I found it, though I'm certain this minor achievement will be reversed over the next hours and days as a result of the double standards exercised when it comes to documenting sources by those who have an interest in burying the truth and supporting the US military PR machine.

Okay, but go ahead and sign your remarks next time.
The second para of the History section appears to have been written by the base PAO. I put a peacock tag in there until I can come up with something more fitting an encyclopedia. Semper fi. Kortoso (talk) 02:17, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The article is very biased. Yankees are hated very much by Okinawans. The Japanese (esp. during their phase of statelessness) want the yanks gone asap.. The article does not reflect the hatred and enmity between Japanese and the Yankee occupiers. Yanks go home!! Kissinger 04:55, 21 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zio jew (talkcontribs)

No!!!

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Alright, I don't know who was responsible for this unneeded spam, but it's gone. I've replaced it with a more proper name. - RaptorR3d, 12:33 9 July 2007

Posted July 25, 2006.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.25.183.3 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 24 July 2006 UTC with subsequent edits:

  1. unsigned comment was added by 61.25.183.3 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 24 July 2006 UTC.
  2. unsigned comment was added by 61.25.183.3 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 24 July 2006 UTC.
  3. unsigned comment was added by 61.25.183.3 (talk • contribs) 17:55, 24 July 2006 UTC.

I'm a little bewildered why this page continues to carry the "embarrassingly small crowd of 35,000" allegation. After I read the discussion, I googled the rally and found references to Kyodo News and NHK stating that the attendance was 35,000. Until the guy who claims 5,000 can prove or even document his count, I think his assertion should be kept off the page and this page should be locked up. Here are the links to the articles claiming 30,000+ http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=34651&archive=true http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0XPQ/is_2006_March_6/ai_n16091414 http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200603/06/eng20060306_248205.html

71.156.53.211 02:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)peter lee[reply]

Umm, just to be clear; I was referring to the section that was called "Nooo!!!" not the entire article. I apologize if I offended anyone. - RaptorR3d 05:32, 9 July 2007

See also:ja:WP:YA-DA (ヤーダ=No)--125.207.181.34 (talk) 09:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Futenma in 1944

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US reconnnaisance photos from late 1944 clearly show that there was no military base where Futenma now stands. These can be found in the Ginowan City historical photo album. Perhaps there is some confusion with Kadena Air Base, which did exist as a Japanese air base prior to the US invasion. This fiction has already misinformed discussion of the present relocation/removal in the Guardian newspaper, and should not be restated without any evidence: especially since none exists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stimela (talk • contribs) 14:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit by User:Mkonji128 [1] removed the following
It was built partly on the ruins of the villages of Aragusuku, Ginowan, Kiyuna and Isa, and entirely over the village of Kamiyama and surrounding farmland.

and asserted the base was built on undeveloped farmland. I've removed both unreferenced statements and ask that no statement be added unless supported by a credible, verifiable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Computermacgyver (talkcontribs) 16:37, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Referenced statements that have been removed Done

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Each of these statements is referenced and removing any of them requires a verifiable source pointing to an error in the current reference. If these can be provided, let's get rid of them. If not, they should stay in the article. Computermacgyver (talk) 09:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ David Allen and Chiyomi Sumida, "Okinawans encircle U.S. base", Stars and Stripes Pacific edition, Tuesday, 18 May 2010
  2. ^ "'Human chain' around Futenma base", The Asahi Shimbun English Online Edition, Monday, 17 May 2010
  3. ^ "Controversial US airbase in Okinawa gets green light". DW. 27 December 2013. Retrieved 28 December 2013.
  4. ^ Egelko, Bob (5 August 2004). "Imperiled mammal threatened by plan for Okinawa base, Court in S.F. hears activists advocate applying U.S. law". San Francisco Chronicle. Retrieved 24 July 2006.
  5. ^ Cite error: The named reference reuters201327 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  6. ^ "Okinawa base foes protest governor's OK of offshore fill work for Futenma replacement". Japan Times. Kyodo. 27 December 2013. Retrieved 2 January 2014.

Hi,
Those statements have beeen moved to Relocation of Marine Corps Air Station Futenma, which you surely know (and may have done yourself); just saying it here so that nobody worries about this issue anymore. Thanks anyway, °Akira Chiyoda (talk) 09:45, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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