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Should vietnamese people count as SE Asians or East Asians? 31.49.93.85 (talk) 15:54, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article states that North Vietnamese and North Thailand share similarities. However, the research article does not state this, only suggesting that KHV (which stands for Kinh Vietnamese, the major ethnicity in Vietnam) and TAI as Thai people representing Thailand as sharing similar genomic history. The north Vietnam and north Thailand are not the only ones who share similarities - it's Vietnamese people and Thai people sharing similarities in general. 'North' should be removed.
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This article met some problems with the definition of the word "Kinh" in Kinh people. It said that the word originated from Kinh Dương Vương, the first ruler of the Vietnamese people but in fact, it means "capital city" (Kinh Đô in Vietnamese) and the term Kinh people means "people live in the capital city. Please update the article. 118.70.54.74 (talk) 15:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Someone had suggested that the name "kinh" (Jin, Gin, King) appeared during the Sui-Tang dynasty, associated with the former name "Jincheng" of Hanoi. But there is also argument that the word Kinh had originated during the Western Jin dynasty (265-316 CE) to describe the Han and sinicized settlers around Jincheng (Hanoi).
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Change 82,085,826 85.32% To 96,208,984 Thanh Son Le (talk) 19:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
The CBS source talks about Vietnamese people to mean anyone who comes from the country of Vietnam, not Kinh people. Dutch statistics are based on nationality (or national origin) not ethnicity. A Hoa or Muong would also be counted as "Vietnamese". As it states "The migration background of a person with a first-generation migration background is defined as his or her country of birth. The migration background of a person with a second-generation migration background is defined as his or her mother's country of birth, unless the mother's country of birth is the Netherlands. In that case, the migration background is defined as the father's country of birth.", using this criterion any Hmong or Cham would become Kinh if they immigrate to the Netherlands. I don't think that the list should include the Netherlands unless a more reliable source for ethnic Kinh (and not civic Vietnamese, or however else to call everyone from Vietnam including non-Kinh peoples). --Donald Trung (talk) 21:01, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
I checked the Japanese source and it says nothing about so-called "ethnic Vietnamese" (Kinh people), it only refers to people in Japan with the Vietnamese nationality, like I had stated above this would somehow magically turn ethnic minorities and turn them into "Kinh" if they immigrate to these specific countries that register nationality and not ethnicity. Perhaps we should debate including some of these countries until better sources can be found. It's like saying that any person from the United Kingdom (including Scottish or Irish) turns into "English" when immigrating to another country. Some of these sources deserve more scrutiny. Or anyone from the United States can become "ethnic Americans" using this source too. --Donald Trung (talk) 11:29, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
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I want to add an audio file on how người Kinh is pronounced.
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Can you change the Chinese translation of Việt nhân (越人) and Kinh nhân (京人) to the original Chữ Nôm người Việt (𠊛越) and người Kinh (𠊛京)?--14.244.0.22 (talk) 19:12, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
The People's Republic of China doesn't register foreign ethnicities, even regarding foreigners naturalised into PRC citizenship citizens of Mainland China who are of foreign origin are classified using yet another separate label: "foreigners naturalised into the Chinese citizenship" (外国人入中国籍). However, if a newly naturalised citizen already belongs to a recognised existing group among the 56 ethnic groups, then he or she is classified into that ethnic group rather than the special label. (copied from "Ethnic minorities in China"), which would mean that a Vietnamese national would not have their ethnicity recorded unless they would naturalise and classify themselves as "Jing people". I can't find any reference in the source that the Vietnamese living in China are specifically "ethnic Vietnamese" or "Vietnamese people" (more like "Chinese people" than "Han Chinese" by comparison). I think that some of the people adding these numbers just see "Vietnamese people" in the title and assume that the "Vietnamese people" talked about in these sources are the same as the concept of "Vietnamese people" (known in Vietnam as "Kinh people" / "City people") where the name might confuse the editors because the same name is used for two completely different concepts (one being legal the other anthropological). --Donald Trung (talk) 21:43, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
And I just identified more bad sources for these numbers this way, the French source talks about the "Vietnamese community in France" particularly relating to Vietnamese New Year (which isn't even an ethnic exclusive event within Vietnam but it doesn't state directly that it refers to Vietnamese nationals so it is not a bad source like the others but bot good either), the German source specifically talks about "migration background" utilising the same language and classifications as the Dutch source. The Australian source likewise also talks about "country of origin" of migrants. The Canadian source is stronger as it differentiates Hmong people from Vietnamese and Laotian and specifically lists "Cambodian (Khmer)" as an ethnicity indicating that the Canadians do differentiate better, but doesn't seem to mention any other "sub-national" ethnic minority other than the "Karen people" while using terms like "ethnic Singaporeans", "Malaysians", and "Taiwanese" all of which are references to multi-ethnic regions. I don't see a strong case that most of these sources even specifically talk about Kinh people as opposed to Vietnamese nationals and their descendants unless we have to assume that every reference to "Vietnamese people" should always refer to Kinh people. --Donald Trung (talk) 21:52, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
This article also randomly switches between Vietnam-wide demographics and Kinh-specific topics. For example the top two (2) sections are specifically only about the Kinh but the "Religion" section is about the general religious demographics of Vietnam and the "Diaspora" section just uses the number of Overseas Vietnamese recorded which makes no distinction between ethnic groups (only a handful of countries recognise some ethnic minorities, for example Hmong Americans, of which most are Lao). This article is all over the place because it just assumes that there's no distinction between "Vietnamese" and "Kinh" in any context. --Donald Trung (talk) 10:55, 3 January 2023 (UTC)