In the UK ‘Mackerel Sky’ refers to a sky where the cloud formation resembles not the scales but the ‘stripes’ found on a Mackerel’s sides. This may be a variation of the entry but the similarity to the Mackerel’s stripes and the cloud formation is unmistakable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barkersley (talk • contribs) 10:28, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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If you made additions to articles within wikipedia, please add the appropriate inline references per the Manual of Style. A mention in the edit summary is not enough. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:00, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Every paragraph should have at least one source within it. When you split paragraphs, you need to use refname=""/ format if the source of both paragraphs is the same. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Your referencing is coming along nicely. When it gets well-enough referenced, check over the quality of the text. If it looks good to you, go for a GAN run. It's a positive learning experience. Thegreatdr (talk) 04:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you think the article has enough information and referencing, we can send it through the GAN process. But only if you're ready. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As it turns out, it's not quite ready. I need you to address the referencing concerns I placed on the article's talk page. I think I've fixed the dead reference, and reference formatting, issues elsewhere within the article. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Photo Caption request ignored[edit]

Hello Chris, Since you seem to be the main contributor to the Cloud article (nice work), I thought you'd be the perfect editor to ask why a simple request in the cloud talk page asking what type of clouds are in a photo I attached has been ignored. Are they so difficult to categorize? P.S. I don't plan on putting this photo into the cloud article..... just in case that's why my question has been ignored. It's a photo of my own that I would like to caption for my user page, and perhaps a gallery in another article in the future. Funny thing is, Two international Wiki sites have picked up the photo as the main photo to illustrate their "Sky" articles. I have translated their pages to see if they mention what types of clouds they are, but there is no mention of it. Thanks Pocketthis (talk) 18:46, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi; sorry for the slow reply. Thanks for your favourable comments :) I haven't been checking the discussion page as often as I should as there hasn't been much activity there lately. The smaller clouds are cumulus humilis and the larger clouds are cumulus mediocris. I don't think any of the clouds in the photo are large enough to be cumulus congestus. I hope that helps. User:ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31(talk) 12:25, 25 March 2013 (UTC)ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 12:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Earth's atmosphere Layers of the atmosphere drawn to scale, objects within the layers are not to scale.
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Yes, the cloud pictured is a noctiluscent cloud, and it's supposed to be in the mesosphere (note how it gets cut off at the edge of the mesosphere layer), though I understand if it looks like it's in the stratosphere. I moved the cloud a bit so more of it gets cut off. As for the auroræ, I think they're clearly in the thermosphere—can you explain why they look like they're in the mesosphere?—Kelvinsong (talk) 14:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I now partly agree with you about the placement of the aurora in the diagram. I apparently mistook the Karman line for the mesopause. Proper identification of the mesopause puts the aurora partly in the mesosphere and partly in the lower thermosphere. This appears consistent with the altitude range givien in the Wikipedia article about auroras/aurorae, but now has me believing this article about the atmosphere shouldn't be describing the mesopause as being practically one and the same as the turbopause. I plan to amend the text to clarify these two boundaries are quite distinct and are separated by a significant vertical distance. Still, the diagram appears to extend the aurora down into the stratosphere, and with that I disagree. In addition, I stand by my belief that the location of the noctilucent cloud in the diagram is entirely erroneous. As far as I can see, this polar mesospheric cloud has been placed fully below the stratopause and therefore dead centre in the stratosphere. Perhaps the diagram's creator recalls (and was misled by) the time decades ago before the mesosphere was recognized or defined as a layer, and noctilucent clouds were, by the definition of the time, an upper stratospheric water-based aerosol. So the question for me is whether the error is serious enough to warrent exclusion of the diagram from the Wikipedia article. I believe all diagrams incorporated into Wikipedia articles should be of the highest possible quality for both graphics and overall accuracy. If this diagram is to be included, then the error should be prominantly flagged by a caption immediatly adjacent to the diagam.

It's a three-dimensional diagram—do you see the triangle that marks the mesopause? If you use that as the plane of reference, then the aurora is clearly above the mesopause. The same applies for the noctiluscent cloud, though I get that it's much more ambiguous. Would it help if I moved the cloud farther to the upper left?—Kelvinsong (talk) 12:53, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aha, I get it now; you're the one who created the chart in the first place! I was wondering what you meant by moving the cloud around. Your chart is a very clever piece of work, and I could see the chart was supposed to be 3-dimensional, but I didn't get that is was a view of the layers as seen from outer space looking down at a fairly sharp angle. The triangular shape of the "column" threw me as well. Now that I understand how to look at it, I can see the noctilucent cloud is in the right layer, but I agree moving the cloud as far to the upper left as possible will help. It would help the perspective even more if you can depict a nacreous cloud directly below it in the upper left of the stratosphere, and then place the tropospheric clouds directly below that in the upper left of the troposphere. I think it would be similarly helpful to place the aurora in the upper left of the thermoshere so all the natural atmospheric phenomena are in a vertical stack with each one directly above the other. Then any man-made craft could be shown in the upper right part of each of their respective layers; a subsonic airplane in the troposphere, a weather balloon and/or supersonic airplane in the stratosphere, an old X-15 or new Virgin Galactic aircraft/spacecraft in the mesosphere, and the international space station in the thermosphere. This would leave the forward apex of the triangular column largely empty, but it's difficult to represent anything there because of the parallax problem. Maybe changing the perspective to a less steep angle from above would also help, and perhaps replacing the sharp front apex of the column with something shallower and more semi-circular. I hope that helps; I appreciate your interest in my ideas.

The viewing angle of the triangular prism is very difficult to change (it involves using 3D software to render out each polygon in the prism stack into a separate SVG file; something like 20 polygons, and merging them) I've moved the noctiluscent cloud, cirrus clouds and the weather balloon, added the nacreous cloud. Better?—Kelvinsong (talk) 18:07, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for making the changes; the height ranges for the clouds show up very well now. I gather the meteors and aurorae which you've kept further foreward more or less vertically straddle the Karman line. That part could still be a little tricky for some viewers to analyse. However it helps that the Karman line is depicted on all three "sides" of the column with a very clear white line that shows up much better than the lower placed 3 dimentional boundaries. If my interpretation of the positioning of the meteors and aurorae are correct, I'd say the diagram has been clarified sufficiently to be a valuable and unique feature for the article. Thanks again for your interest in my ideas :)

I've added the image back to the article.—Kelvinsong (talk) 13:19, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great to see it back in the article :) I can see I judged it too hastily at first, not knowing how to interpret it properly. However, with the clarifications you've made to the chart, and with the help you've given me to understand the layout, I can say it's the best and most comprehensive diagram I've seen showing the layers of the atmosphere and the various clouds and other phenomena that occur at various altitudes. Good work! User:ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31(talk) 23:40, 17 June 2013 UTC

Thank you!—Kelvinsong (talk) 23:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I just thought I should say, I corrected what appeared to be a syntax error on your user page. Dustin (talk) 22:59, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Pilsbury Doughboy[edit]

Chris, do you think we can incorporate the Pilsbury Doughboy into our Cloud article?..........:) Just some levity to balance the insanity. Pocketthis (talk) 20:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Blue Thunderhead.jpg

LOL...Too bad it is an encyclopedia we edit, and not the Conan O'brian show. When I saw this in the sky, I thought "Ghost Busters 3" was in the making. I couldn't get to my camera fast enough. Been fun, all the best. Pocketthis (talk) 00:35, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Cloud diagram[edit]

Genus classification by altitude of occurrence. Towering vertical cumulus not shown. Far right: Actual nimbostratus is the dark grey layer extending downward to near surface from a lighter-shaded partially stratified layer of altocumulus.
Genus classification by altitude of occurrence. Towering vertical cumulus not shown. Far right: Actual nimbostratus is the dark grey layer extending downward to near surface from a lighter-shaded partially stratified layer of altocumulus.

I edited the cloud diagram on cloud to make it include both the cloud names and the two-letter abbreviations so no need to juggle it with the Workenstock picture anymore! && I like moved the “nimbostratus” into the gray part. I still think there ought to be an actual photograph of a cloud in the lead shouldn’t there be?

Illustration of a warm front. The warm air behind the front is slowly overtaking the cold air ahead of the front, which is moving more slowly in the same direction. The warmer air, due to lower density, climbs over the colder air as it moves. As a result of its increased altitude, it cools off and its moisture condenses, forming clouds and possibly precipitation.
Illustration of a warm front. The warm air behind the front is slowly overtaking the cold air ahead of the front, which is moving more slowly in the same direction. The warmer air, due to lower density, climbs over the colder air as it moves. As a result of its increased altitude, it cools off and its moisture condenses, forming clouds and possibly precipitation.

BTW I’ve just drawn a warm front illustration if you’d like to take a look at it—Kelvinsong talk 03:08, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I got rid of the “ac floccus” on top of the nimbostratus, && thanks sm!!—Kelvinsong talk 23:34, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help improving the diagram! I've now simplified the caption by removing expanitory text that's no longer needed. User:ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31(talk) 10:20, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:History of Western art music[edit]

Hello: Do you think including a link to Postmodern music in label23 would be appropriate here – and, if so, as "post modern", "post-modern" or "postmodern" – ? Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:36, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have created the link you suggested and adopted 'postmodern' as the correct spelling now widely used. including by the article 'postmodern music'. I've also revamped other text and provided references where needed. ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31(talk) 14:00, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A Photo I don't think will ever make it to the Cloud article[edit]

Nature can be a nasty critter! Knew you'd love this......LOL. Pocketthis (talk) 21:48, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

File:Odd shaped Cloud.jpg
A cloud like object, takes a Wiz on a High Desert Community

Amazing pic! I'd certainly like to put it in the cloud article. It could simply be labled an unusaual stratocumulus/cirrocumulus combination and let the reader draw their own conclusions. I'm not going to rush into it though. Maybe there is somewhere better to put it! ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31(talk) 13:32, 1 March 1 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it's the "Flying Fickle Finger of Fate" seen on TV 45 yeares ago  ;-) ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31(talk) 13:10, 3 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.172.12 (talk) [reply]

Could we start a new Wikipedia article 'Cloudporn'? ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31(talk) 14:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Whirlpool type Clouds[edit]

Whirlpool clouds at twilight

Hey Chris, caught these last night, and I thought you might like them. I was going to put them up in the "unstable clouds section", but I wouldn't know how to caption them anyway. So, if you like them and want to put it up in our favorite article.....please do. They seem to be pretty unique to anything in the article as of yet, but if you don't like them, I trust your judgement.-thanksPocketthis (talk) 16:02, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Chris, I did the research. They are formed from a phenomenon known as a Karman vortex. When wind driven clouds are forced through a mountain range, or ocean wind driven clouds encounter a high elevation island, they can begin to circle the mountain or high land mass, and form this "Karman Vortex". That is exactly what is happening in that photo. The clouds are being blown from the ocean, across the flat plain, right into the mountain range you see them spinning above. I think that you'll agree that this phenomenon is worth a mention in our favorite article. Thanks-Pocketthis (talk) 04:18, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Very good. I'm glad it will work out. I liked the photo mainly because I never saw this event before, and from what I've read about it in my research, it's something often caught on Satellite images, but rarely seen from the ground, especially in such a sparingly clouded sky. I am very lucky as a photographer to live in an area where the sky is so big, beautiful, and ever changing. I'm sure, as always, you'll write a great summery of the event. Thanks Chris.-Pocketthis (talk) 02:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unique clouds[edit]

Hey Chris, please click on this one, and notice the shearing from the wind on the clouds. It looks like I put it in Photoshop and smudged them. How rare is this? I've never seen it before, at least not to this degree. Thanks - Pocketthis (talk) 16:04, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tips! It's got really busy at home right now, so it'll take me a few days to find time to do the pics. I've never uploaded photos to these types of sites before, and I'm quite blind to all these tool-boxes and task wizards that are planted around the fringes of my screen. Fortunately I have a couple of "techie" friends visting for a while, so they can help me through that kind of "JPG" stuff. Maybe they can also help me decipher Wikipedia's complex instructions for getting a peer review. They're not Wikipedians per se, but they're far more computer literate than I am. Wikipedia admin is about as useful as tits on a donkey. I can ask them once for help on something, but after that, they just ignore me. Virga is precipitation that falls from a cloud but evaporates before reaching the ground. It's in the cloud article under 'supplementary features'. I'll try and get back to you in a few days. ***ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 01:30, 05 September 21:20 (UTC)

More weird clouds[edit]

Early twilight eastern sky
Dusk eastern sky

Hey Chris, more cloud formations I've never seen before. That is pretty rare because I am no Spring Chicken. The first one was eastern sky at sundown, and the second was during the latter part of Twilight. I think they are downdraft wind shear clouds. The second one I believe would make a great article opener. We have no photo there now, and this is a knock-out of an event. However, perhaps it's too strange for an opener...lol. I thought I was in northern Alaska when I was viewing this. It is mimicking the Aurora Borealis. What do you think? Thanks-Pocketthis (talk) 20:00, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As far as me thinking you were accusing me of anything, absolutely not, but after reading my reply, I can see where you might get that vibe. I just wanted you to know there is no way to mess with a digital photo and get away with it. If you are shooting on film stock, that's another story. The digital photos carry a "finger print" of every click that was made on the photo.

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Couple of things Chris[edit]

First, I would never revert one of your posts. That is reserved for vandals, and new editors. I would have just made the edit. Also, the words: étage and étages, may be familiar to a weatherman like you, but I promise you that there isn't a living soul in the US or England that knows WTF it means. This is an encyclopedia used mainly by school kids. I have a Bachelor's degree, and I am proud of my vocabulary, and I had no clue, other than the French translation. There is one way you can keep the word that makes any sense. Since this is a learning institution, you can write a small stub on the word, then you can bracket the word when used in the article to make it blue, and send the reader to the stub to learn the meaning. Thanks-Pocketthis (talk) 16:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the time for such a lengthily reply. Since étage is not an English word, I find it interesting that you would think it would be learned in public schools here. I promise you it isn't, unless your major was meteorology (I'm guessing). Writing a stub is a snap, and would take much less time than your reply to me here...lol. The articles I read here (and I try to read a new one each day) that are the most educational for me, are those that have the most bracketed words. I always follow the blue words to their stub or article, and lean new words. I couldn't do that with étage, because it has no stub or article. Here is the simplest way to make a stub: Go to the search engine and type in étage. A blue box will drop down saying: "Containing étage". Click on that, and you will then see all the places it is used, as well as the option to start an article for it. If you click on the start an article, the directions walk you through it in 2 minutes. You can make it one paragraph long. Then it will be referred to as a stub. This is actually like a dictionary article for the word. When you hit save at the bottom of the page as you do with every post you make......you're done. Now it will be blue when bracketed. I just took more time here explaining it to you, than it would take you to make it. lol. Thanks buddy-Pocketthis (talk) 15:53, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=entage&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1 Just click on that link, and it will take you to the page to begin an article. By the way, your post I'm seeing here is an article on its own...lol. I'll have to come back to read it, as I am reading War and Peace right now...:-)Pocketthis (talk) 00:57, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

love these clouds[edit]

Chris, besides the obvious beauty of the sky here, is there anything going on of any meteorological interest? You can click on it to enlarge it. I call it: 3D-Clouds - Thanks, Jessie - Pocketthis (talk) 17:07, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New article[edit]

Hi Jessie; here's the text to the new article I attempted to create.

Étage (meteorology)[edit]

In meteorology, an étage is any of three main altitude levels in the troposphere where certain cloud types usually form. The term is derived from the French word which means floor or storey, as in the floor of a multi-storey building. With the exception of the low étage, the altitude range of each level varies according to latitude from Earth's equator to the arctic and antarctic regions at the poles.

The high étage ranges from altitudes of 3,000 to 7,600 m (10,000 to 25,000 ft) in the polar regions, 5,000 to 12,200 m (16,500 to 40,000 ft) in the temperate regions and 6,100 to 18,300 m (20,000 to 60,000 ft) in the tropical region. The major high-level cloud types comprise cirrus, cirrocumulus, and cirrostratus.[1]

The middle étage extends from 2,000 m (6,500 ft) above surface at any latitude as high as 4,000 m (13,000 ft) near the poles, 7,000 m (23,000 ft) at mid latitudes, and 7,600 m (25,000 ft) in the tropics. Altocumulus and Altostratus are the main cloud types found in the middle levels of the troposphere.

The low étage is found from surface up to 2,000 m (6,500 ft) at all latitudes. Principle cloud types found in the low levels of the troposphere include stratocumulus, stratus, and small fair weather cumulus. Several additional types usually form in the low or middle étages but typically extend into all three altitude levels. These include nimbostratus, towering cumulus congestus, and cumulonimbus.[2]


When I followed the instructions, I was led to what looked like a page to post the new article. However, the article doesn't appear to have taken. The instructions don't give any troubleshooting advice for when the attempt goes wrong. If you think there's anything else you can tell me so I can get it right, please do, but I think we have gotten to the point where I should tell you I have been diagnosed with mild Asperger's syndrome. Essentially I'm near genius at doing a few things, have average learning ability with many other things, and have some significant learning disabilities as well. I have taught myself how to do basic editing and citations on Wikipedia simply by studying and emulating what I see on the edit history pages. However, I have had no success at learning any other Wikipedia skills where I have to try and decipher what looks like a lot of incoherent jargon on all of Wikipedia's instruction pages. These pages may be OK for everyone else, but I seem to be semi-dyslexic when it come to their instructions. If my learning disability continues to get in way, I might have to ask you to post the new article for me. It won't bother me at all if you get credit for the new article instead of me.ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 12:28, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Thankyou for your help and encouraging words! The good news is it looks like I jumped to conclusions about being unsuccessful. All my new stub needed was some time to be officially reviewed by admin who passed it for inclusion in the Wikipedia canon. So there it is, my first self-created article! I've now linked it to the cloud article as you suggested where "etage" is mentioned for the first time in the intro. As it turns out, I had already equated "etage" with "altitude level" near the top of the article, which has me wondering if I should duplicate the link elsewhere in the article in case some readers miss the term and the link in the intro. What's your advice on that? ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 12:40, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for your feedback Jesse. I DO want to expand my Wikipedia skills beyond basic text editing, but it's going to be a slow road. I'm just now putting some finishing touches on the cloud article so I can try to nominate it for a GA review. I'll try to do it by myself, but if it gets tossed back to me for incorrect procedure, then I'll probably have to get you to help me even with that. Last year, I tried to get a peer review of the article to see if the bigwigs would give the article an interim B grade on account of all the improvements that have been made. However, that got tossed back to me because of some miniscule formatting or messaging error that I couldn't detect or figure out. Whatever Wikipedia is for aspiring editors, user friendly it AIN'T!!! So the cloud article continues to languish at C-grade because I tend to stumble through all the hoops that an editor has to go through to get an article reviewed by admin or whomever. Once I get all that done, then I'll have a look at Wikipedia Commons and maybe some of the other technophile hangouts that I currently know nothing about!

BTW, an editor who works on the French language cloud article has suggest the title of this article should be 'Cloud étage'. It would further clarify the subject of the article and is more in accorance with WMO terminology. I noticed when I first posted my new article that the title Etage (without 'Cloud' or the accented e) had already been inserted ahead of what I put in. I still don't know how to create or modifiy an article title, so maybe you could help me with that if you agree with the proposed change. ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 22:05, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reply[edit]

Thanks for the clarification! I couldn't quite follow the logic of your previous message. I think we're now agreed if the stub is to be specifically about the meterological use of the term etage (not entage!), it should be specified in the title. When I first created the article, I tried to give it the title 'Etage (meteorology)' which follows a pattern I've seen in other Wikipedia articles, but someone got in ahead of me and created the current title. I'll see if I can figure out the instructions you've given me for changing the title. I'll get back to you if I run into any more road-blocks; the risk of which is pretty high given my past track record and current level of technophobia! ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 21:55, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Etage[edit]

Hi:

I did a little editing of your article. According to the WMO, the exact term is "cloud étage". I think it would be good to rename the article as Etage is not very specific to clouds.

P.S. : Last point, please do not overcategorize. For instance, Clouds category is a subcategory of Meteorology, no need to add Meteorology as it is redundant.

Pierre cb (talk) 04:08, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your imput and changes you made. I think I have a good knowledge of the subjects of the articles I try to work on, but I also have come to realise my editing skills are weak, either because of a lack of training or maybe just a lack of aptitude. So I always welcome help and intervention form others who have strong editing skills. I also agree with you about the title, and I'll try to change it according to your suggestion. If I can't figure out the procedure for changing the title, I have someone I can turn to for help. ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 21:40, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Renaming is easy, you use the "Rename" menu at the top of the article. If you decide to do it and since this your article, this should not be a problem except if the name chosen is already a redirection (by the way, you do not have to use the é, e would do fine). In general, if an article is not yours, or the change of name can be contested, then you can use a "move request" to open a discussion about it. See Wikipedia:Requested moves for further details. Pierre cb (talk) 15:36, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Elephant Man or Cloud Mountain?[edit]

Chris thought you would like this one. Another unusual twilight from my area.......or is it. See if you can figure out its secret..:-)

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On a differnt topic, I'm undecided about modifying the title for the etage article. It seems to be serving the purpose for which it was intended, and right now I'm focused more on trying to make further improvments to the main cloud article. I think it's better than a C-class, but nobody at admin seems to want to consider whether it should be upgraded to a B-class. Do you know of any way to get it reviewed? Another GAN like the one foisted on me last year would get their attention, but I don't think I have the academic rigour of thought or organization to bring it to GA status by myself. The highest mark I ever got for a university level essay was a B, so I'll settle for a B-grade for this article if I can figure out how to get it there. ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 12:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New Challenge[edit]

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Notes[edit]

  1. ^ JetStream (5 January 2010). "Cloud Classifications". National Weather Service. Retrieved 31 January 2011.
  2. ^ World Meteorological Organization, ed. (1975). Étages, International Cloud Atlas (PDF). Vol. I. pp. 15–16. ISBN 92-63-10407-7. Retrieved 26 August 2014.

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Edits to Two Hearts (Jackie Evancho album) and The Ride (Nelly Furtado album)[edit]

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Photo caption[edit]

Chris, please write a cloud related photo caption for me on this photo so I can put it somewhere. It was taken about 12 minutes before sunset. Hope all is well, thanks in advance buddy. Click on it and take a good look. It is pretty interesting and unique, especially the mountain like cloud structures.

A layer of stratocumulus stratiformis perlucidus hiding the setting sun with a background layer of stratocumulus cumulogenitus.

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Hello Pocketthis; I'm adding my customary type of enhancements to the photo caption you provided, meaning that I've added technical information about the genus, species and variety of the main cloud type without making significant changes to the prose. I trust that's what you were looking for. In the meantime, I've come across a pictorial cloud classification chart that I'd like you to compare to the one we already have in the tropospheric section of the cloud article. I'd like to know if you think this one would be any improvement over the current table. In it's favor, the clouds are depicted in a more 'photographic' way compared to the more stylized depictions in the current chart. The only reservation I have about this potential alternative chart is the nimbostratus cloud is greatly compressed horizontally. Also, I've pulled this alternative version directly off the internet; it's not part of the Wikipedia Commons collection, so I don't know if it's even eligible to be appropriated by Wikipedia Commons for possible use. It might be protected by copywrite. Here's the url for the alternative chart:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=cloud+types&tbm=isch&imgil=ZlancLWF1Eeh5M%253A%253BzxxU0GYX_GEAuM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fmedia.bom.gov.au%25252Fsocial%25252Fblog%25252F895%25252Fwhats-that-cloud%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=ZlancLWF1Eeh5M%253A%252CzxxU0GYX_GEAuM%252C_&usg=__u_LZRu_5-EujBfW9WpnNo8C_Uts%3D&biw=1331&bih=680&ved=0ahUKEwjh5eynn8vVAhVU0WMKHVV9A1MQyjcIgQE&ei=jZKLWaHrLNSijwPV-o2YBQ#imgrc=ZlancLWF1Eeh5M:

Cloud Types Chart

Perhaps with your expertise in those areas you could have a look at it and let me know what you think.

Thanks for clarifying that. The new chart is now in the Wikipedia article! :D ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 13:13, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I'm not sure how to edit this caption. It seems to be formatted somewhat differently than the photo captions I've edited in the main article. In any case, I think my revision would read something like this: "A layer of stratocumulus stratiformis perlucidus (flat stratocumulus with a small break in the cloud cover) hiding the setting sun with a background layer of stratocumulus cumulogenitus (formed by the partial spreading of cumulus) that resembles a distant mountain range behind some actual hills or small mountains". You can make any modifications to the caption that you think might help.~~ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 23:43, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed you formatted your photo-caption request in a way that I can insert my embellishments directly in, so I'm doing that just in case you haven't done so already. ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 13:18, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Twilight zoned[edit]

Very clever caption! But I can see why my offering wasn't what you were looking for. Unfortunately I'm not usuallty poetic with this subject; strictly a hard-core technical guy! As for the alternate cloud chart, I Googled cloud types images and found that the stylized cloud charts are more popular than those that portray the cloud types in a more photographic way, based on the ranking of the returns on Google. The most popular chart doesn't even portray all 10 main cloud types, only 8 or 9. So I guess we just continue to give the public what they want! ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 23:14, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure I can find a place for the photo in the article; it's too unique to ignore! When I saw the same photo on your user page with the "Twilight zoned" title, I thought you had gone with that in preference to my more technical version. I didn't know it was for the article, so it was all just a misunderstanding! ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 13:30, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your photo with an improved version of my caption is now in the article in the "species and varieties" section which seems thematically the best fit! ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 13:55, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome Jessie; that photo definitely belongs in the article, as does the new cloud chart. We've both helped each other out during this latest exchange of messages, so I reckon we're a totally kick-ass team working together to improve the article! :D ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 23:05, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou too Jessie; your sentiments are totally reciprocated! ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 12:13, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Chris, can you give me the technical description for these clouds?[edit]

Hope all is well buddy. I see you finally have received your GA approval! Congrats! Good things come to those that work hard :-) Jessie Eastland(talk) 20:09, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the legal description Chris, you're the best as always. Also thanks for including so much of my work on the page. I'm honored to be part of a successful venture with my 'head in the clouds' buddy here. See you next time I need so de-fog a cloud. Soon you will have more of my photos here than the article itself. Please feel free to delete them if you choose to. My feelings won't be hurt at all. :-) Jessie Eastland (talk) 16:35, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Noctilucent photos[edit]

Hi Jessie; sorry it's taking so long to e-mail you the noctilucent photos. I was supposed to get together with some cumputer-savvy types this past week who were going to show me the procedures for getting the pics from my camera to your e-mail, but the visit didn't happen. I'll see if I can teach myself using google on a time-permitting basis, but I'm a very slow learn at this kind of thing and I have little memory retention for what info I come across, so this may take a while longer. But I will persevere at it! ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 23:21, 13 July 2018 (UTC)ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 23:15, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

LOL guess what, he site you gave me is behind a firewall and I can't access it. Can you send me a message with your email address in the text or an attachment? Many thanks! ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 23:21, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like I did't provide you with an adequate introduction to noctilucent clouds when I sent you the photos. I guess I assumed you were aware of them because of their write-up in the cloud article, but maybe you hadn't checked out that part of the article. Anyway, I'm glad you can appreciate the photos for what they are; amateur pics that show the main characteristics of this cloud type, but not of professional quality. Cheers! ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 12:37, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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History of Western art music template[edit]

I empathize with your comments on the template talk. The issue here does not seem to be as much with the editor who reverted you, as it does with the lack of continuity in the template as a whole. I saw some of your work in Dates of classical music eras and I'm wondering if you'd be willing to work on that article with me and build off of it a revised template to present at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music? There are many other issues with the template, Galant music is formatted in such a way that it appears as an era, the 2nd Viennese School is included (for some reason?), Neoromanticism is missing, most of the end dates for the later movements are rather arbitrary and should probably be avoided all together, the template should really just be named "History of Wester art music" – the list goes on. This seems to be a symptom of the awful articles that already exist for most of these movements, I mean what is this? In any respect, the Classical Music WP articles have their strengths in great composer aritlces, but the era and period ones are noticebly behind. I have plans to get Medieval music to GA eventually, but am going to have to work at some of the smaller genres first like Ars Nova, Ars Antiqua etc. In any respect, I think the best chance for a stable table that everyone is happy with is creating a solid Dates of classical music eras article. Aza24 (talk) 23:29, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not getting back to you, been rather distracted lately trying to clean up the mess of articles that is our Medieval/Renaissance composers on WP (their art and literature contemporaries have received far more attention thus far!) No worries on your work pace, with my to do list ever growing I wouldn't be that quick either. I agree that the editor (Francis, we might as well use his name) was acting in good faith. I've worked with him in the past and while he can be rather quick to hit the revert button, he is fairly knowledgeable and prolific with his contributions to the site. Thinking about what the "Dates of classical music eras" might look like, I suspect our biggest issues will develop with the more modern side of the spectrum since scholars seem less interested in classifying current music than they do for that of the past. The Grout (which I've read some of) and Carter book on the page already will definitely be helpful sources. I will probably be using some sources from Grove music online as well, so if need be I can email you them (since they require a subscription to fully access). I'll look around for more sources tomorrow, since it's rather late here. Aza24 (talk) 08:27, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about? No one was “threatening to intimate a revert war”, stop trying to explode a situation that doesn't even exist. All that happened was Christ removed two schools, since there are no other schools on the template and removed postmodernism since the meaning is currently unclear.You reverted both, fine, but you went to the talk and changed the subject, while not even addressing why you reverted - a pointless and counterproductive decision. Aza24 (talk) 20:51, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CSD for Template:Western classical music periods and eras[edit]

I've noticed that you've asked for Template:Western classical music periods and eras to be deleted. As the only contributor of the page, you may simply tag it with WP:CSD#G7, where it will be deleted by a passing administrator soon. Thanks!  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 08:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. I've cut and pasted that code you gave me onto the newly re-blanked page of the unwanted template. I trust that's the correct procedure since I can't see any other way of tagging it.ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 09:30, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lol it looks like someone had deleted it already Chris. When you pasted the code you created the tempalte again :) no worries though – I'm sure an admin will delete it soon. Aza24 (talk) 09:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ahahaha you did recreate it. The code to request deletion is ((db-g7)). WP:CSD#G7 is just the link to the relevant guideline.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 12:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well thankyou for clarifying that! I don't understand any of the theory behind the creation or deletion of templates, so I just did what I thought you were telling me to do based on what you seemed to be saying. I'll put in the proper code now that you've provided it.ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 09:30, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ahahahahaha that's not it either. I'm confusing you, my bad. All you need to know that it's tagged and will get deleted soon.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 14:24, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Aza24: Lol what can I say? I'm just trying to follow instructions, and I was clearly instructed to transfer the code I was given onto the blank page of the unwanted template. When I went onto the edit page, the blank template was clearly still there, so I carried out the instructions and now awaiting the result. The admin you were talking to didn't remove the template for whatever reason, he just gave me the code to initiate the procedure myself.
Thankyou for your comments about the beginnings of classical music. You've made some good points that I've duly noted. Still, at the risk of becoming tedious about it, I have some more thoughts about the subject. Some of it may just be elaborations of what I've already said, so I'm begging your indulgence (as per an old saying!). My main challenge as a Wikipedia editor is I tend to be more a free-thinker than a binary thinker (good/bad, right/wrong etc). Free thought is usually encouraged in university, but working on Wikipedia is rather like going back to high school where everything is strictly governed by established conventions whether they make sense to the free-thinker or not (and given the nature of all good encyclopedias, I understand that's the way it has to be). In the case of classical music, I know fully well that the established majority (but not universal) convention dictates that it began with the fall of the Roman Empire. What doesn't seem to be widely or fully considered (assuming various articles I've read are correct) is that most medieval Gregorian chant, the supposed beginning of Western classical music, is just a compilation (by one of the popes called Gregory) of early Christian music from the 300's AD and maybe earlier. In other words, the earliest "classical" music was imported by Pope Gregory whomever from ancient Rome whose music was supposedly a continuation of ancient Greece.
Being the free thinker that I am, I liken classical music to a tree. Certain music from the ancient Greco-Roman culture can be viewed as the roots (an idea that didn't originate with me), early medieval music as the lower trunk, and the classical music from ca. 1150 AD on as the upper trunk and limbs. Looked at that way, I guess the fall of the West Roman Empire can be view as ground level. Above that is the part of the tree that can bee seen. Below that is the part that can't be seen, and whose musical counterpart is the Ambrosian chant and other late Roman music that is no longer performed (except, as noted, when repackaged as Gregorian chant, a rather "inconvenient truth"!).
I agree with you the Wikipedia article about ancient music in general doesn't belong on the template, much less the article on prehistoric music. Both articles are geographically and culturally too diverse, and the latter is probably too early (a possible but likely unprovable exception being whatever music there may have been in the prehistoric but maybe proto-western Minoan culture). However, I'm wondering if you've seen the Wikipedia article about the music of ancient Greece? I haven't checked it fully for quality or references yet, but it is much more Eurocentric and seems to makes a case for at least some of that music to be considered the roots of Western classical music; definitely proto-Western and maybe proto-classical (interestingly, historians often use the term "classical" to describe ancient Greco-Roman culture, albeit in an extra-musical context). But then again, the analogy of the tree comes into play here. Are the roots of a tree of any value as part of the overall tree, or are they to be discarded (as is usually the case) when the tree is harvested, just as conventional scholership has largely discarded ancient western music as having any "classical" relevance or value? (except, as noted, when it is rehashed as Gregorian chant!)
That all said, if the alternative article checks out, do you think it's title could possibly have a place on the template as a "lead-in" to the main list that links to the other articles on classical music. I don't think its inclusion would be taken as a defiance of the old convention since I'm no longer proposing any change to the 500 AD date, but simply as a lead-in to a list of more core-related articles starting with that date.. If you definitely oppose it I'll not talk about it any further nor attempt at any additions of this article to the template. ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 13:00, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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There's no need to worry about becoming "tedious" about it! If it were up to me I would characterize Medieval music at beginning in the 800s at the earliest, but more likely the 1000s. Given that the template is called "Western classical music eras" – I would be hesitant in adding in a "roots" section. This is only because it might add a layer of confusion to a typical reader who would see it and think that classical music began in Ancient Greece, which is not typically the standard. That being said, I think this (along with Music of ancient Rome) would fit well in the Medieval music template I had mentioned earlier. The other reason that its inclusion in the template could prove problematic is because the concise and basic nature of the template prevents the explanation for the intricacies in the beginning of the Medieval era; to that point this is undoubtedly a topic which should be thoroughly addressed in the Medieval music article and likely the Dates of classical music eras one as well. The Music of ancient Greece article itself seems to be ok, but then again, our music period articles aren't much better at the moment. You may find pages 1 and 2 of Hoppin's book interesting. He seems to almost argue that "real" Medieval music, as in the real substance of the era, began in the 1000s, similar to what you're talking about. He then proceeds to devote only a chapter to the music from c. 500 – 1000, although I suppose he is still devoting pages to it nonetheless. In my mind Medieval music doubles as a period and a movement. A period of time from 500 – 1000, until which it becomes a better defined movement with real "substance" – if you will. Aza24 (talk) 06:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like I'm the one taking a while to answer this time, but I've been looking up quite a bit about ancient Greco-Roman music and early medieval music to try and see first hand how much they're different and how much they're alike. My impression so far is that they have at least as many similarities as differences, and that medieval music has as much in common with ancient Western music as it does with what we now identify as Western classical music. If ancient Western music is stylistically and chronologically too far removed from the Common Practice Period to be on the same template, I would have to say your idea to have a separate template for ancient and medieval music makes the most sense. Since the latter era (especially the early medieval) can be viewed as a transition between ancient and renaissance/common practice, it can also remain on the template for classical music as well, although mainly, I believe, on the strength of the "high" medieval music that came mostly after 1150 AD. In case you haven't seen it yet, here is a Youtube video done by an early music ensemble (really early!) that has been carefully and with much research reconstructing some of the music of ancient Greece. I'd be interested to know what you think of it. A few days ago, I characterized ancient music as the part of the Western musical "tree" that's below "ground level" (fall of the West Roman Empire) and therefore not "seen" or performed. However, it now looks to me like that might be starting to change. And wouldn't you know it, if I decide to add any recordings of authentic ancient Greoco-Roman music to my collection, it will likely be part my collection of classical music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hOK7bU0S1Y ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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