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~ nice to meet you ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 14:22, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks! Goes well with coffee. Drmies (talk) 14:45, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

By the way: ISBN 0198158831 p.223 tells me that the coffee house at 37 Lauriergracht has as famous an address as 221b Baker Street. I think that I have that right. This popular culture stuff from television is Doktoro's area. In the real world, 221b Baker Street was demolished years ago, and the scriptwriter for Doktoro's pop culture couldn't even get the name of The Bailey right. I suspect that xe looked up The Bailey in Pommiepedia when writing. Uncle G (talk) 19:38, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

• DYK I used to live on the Egelantiersgracht? I get weak when I think of that. Drmies (talk) 22:47, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Well your past is just a fiction designed to account for the discrepancy between your state of mind and your user talk page.

    — Hold on! This is the wrong series. We'll be pulling in that Zaphod Gearbox person if we are not careful.

    Doktoro, your childhood memories are entirely real and not in any way the product of a Chameleon Arch.

    So … when you swam past 37 Lauriergracht on your way to skool, did you look up? Was there a blue plaque on the wall, perchance? To commemorate the presence there of a man who had not learned to wet shave.

    Uncle G (talk) 00:13, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

    • When I lived on the Egelantiersgracht I was busy dropping out of college. I didn't grow up in Amsterdam, and when I attended the Vrije Universiteit I mostly lived on Uilenstede, close to Amstelveen. So, that's the house of the trader in Max Havelaar--I successfully avoided that in all my Dutch classes. I did read another classic, but that involved another street, the Sarphatistraat: "Behalve den man die de Sarphatistraat de mooiste plek van Europa vond, heb ik nooit een wonderlijker kerel gekend dan den uitvreter", and if you're not laughing as you read this you probably don't read Dutch. It's hilarious. The building seems to be 1930s, and it looks like there's apartments and a real estate agent? I'll ask my buddy to drive by. I didn't see a sign on the more recent picture. But I think this year there are some events commemorating (the end of?) Dutch slavery, so maybe the exploited workers in Multatuli will be paid lip service too... Drmies (talk) 00:23, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

I think I'm going to enjoy your page ~ reminds me of other editors here on wiki ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 23:03, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

• Ain't nothing like em nowhere. Drmies (talk) 00:23, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Dreamland Bar-B-Que ~ Thanks a lot ~mitch~ (talk) 22:18, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Doktoro needs to carefully check the Foreign in this AFC submission. This is all pop culture and I have no idea what I am writing here. I am citing Michelin, for goodness' sake! Uncle G (talk) 10:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

For your youth cred, Doktoro, I'll let you put in the happening and rad part about the Jongensweeshuis run by some brothers. Uncle G (talk) 11:05, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

The Lauriergracht (literally "Laurel Canal"^[1]) is one of the canals of Amsterdam.

It was painted and photographed by George Hendrik Breitner who set up a studio on the canal, at number 8, in 1893 and stayed there until 1898.^[3][4] His De Lauriergracht bij de Tweede Laurierdwarsstraat (painted in 1917–1918) is in the Rijksmuseum.^[5] Prints of his paintings of Lauriergracht 1-15 are in the Stedelijk Museum.^[6]

At the end of the 17th century, the Lauriergracht had been the residence of several artists and their relatives.^[7]

Karel du Jardin's aunt Jaqueline lived there in 1661.^[8]

Govaert Flinck moved to the Lauriergracht in 1644, where his nephew Dirck already lived, and lived there until his death.^[9] He bought two adjacent houses, numbers 76 and 78.^[10] He initially worked at, and later took over from Rembrandt the management of, Hendrick Uylenburgh's workshop that was located on the canal.^[11]

One of the famous residents of the Lauriergracht is fictional, Batavus Droogstoppel, an unreliable narrator in Max Havelaar who is introduced in the first line of the book "Ich bin Makler in Kaffee und wohne Lauriergracht Nr. 37" ("I am a coffee maker and I live at Number 37 Lauriergracht") which the character repeats over and over.^[12][13]

Numbers 130 and 132 used to be a Christian Reformed Church; originally opened on 1900-11-14 and reopened on 1927-12-21 after an extension, the church was finally closed on 1985-11-14 and turned into apartments.^[14] The Evangelical Lutheran Church built an orphanage at numbers 112–118 in 1757.^[15]

References

Cross-references

1. ^ Michelin 2001, p. 128.
2. ^ Beeldbank 2019a.
3. ^ Bothe 1898, p. 32.
4. ^ Pols 1966, p. 129.
5. ^ Rijksmuseum 2019a.
6. ^ Beeldbank 2019b.
7. ^ Nguyen 1992, p. 36.
8. ^ Kilian 2007, p. 13.
9. ^ Kok 2016, p. 49.
10. ^ Grape-Albers 1997, p. 84.
11. ^ Dickey 2013, p. 140.
12. ^ Nieuwenhuys 1982, pp. 88–89.
13. ^ Niekerk 2000, p. 175.
14. ^ RD 1985.
15. ^ Meiners 1988, p. 77.

Sources

• "Lauriergracht 1-9 (v.l.n.r.)". Beeldbank. 010104000079.
• "Lauriergracht 1-15. Prentbriefkaart van schilderij van Breitner uit 1895 in Stedelijk Museum. Uitgave Gebr. van R. Amsterdam". Beeldbank. PBKD00104000001.
• "De Lauriergracht bij de Tweede Laurierdwarsstraat, George Hendrik Breitner, 1917–1918". Rijksmuseum. SK-A-3546.
• Bothe, Adolf (1898). Adressbuch von bildenden Künstlern der Gegenwart. Selbstverlag des Herausgebers. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Dickey, Stephanie S. (2013). "Flinck, Govaert". In Muller, Sheila D. (ed.). Dutch Art: An Encyclopedia. Garland Reference Library of the Humanities. Vol. 1021. Routledge. ISBN 9781135495749. ((cite encyclopedia)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Grape-Albers, Heide, ed. (1997). "Die ′Lauriergracht′". Niederdeutsche Beiträge zur Kunstgeschichte. Vol. 36. Deutscher Kunstverlag. ISBN 9783422062320. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Kilian, Jennifer (2007). Karel du Jardin, 1628–1678. Rijksmuseum/Nieuw Amsterdam. ISBN 9789086890309. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Kok, Erna (2016). Netwerkende kunstenaars in de Gouden Eeuw: De succesvolle loopbanen van Govert Flinck en Ferdinand Bol. Zeven Provinciën reeks. Vol. 36. Uitgeverij Verloren. ISBN 9789087045425. ISSN 0925-7586. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Meiners, J. L. J. (1988). "Historicht overzicht". In Happee, J.; Meiners, J. L. J.; Mostert, Marco (eds.). De Lutheranen in Amsterdam, 1588–1988: gedenkboek ter gelegenheid van 400 jaar Evangelisch-Lutherse Gemeente te Amsterdam. Uitgeverij Verloren. ISBN 9789065503138. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Amsterdam and Environs. Michelin green guides (2nd ed.). Michelin Travel Publications. 2001. ISBN 9782060002330. ISSN 0763-1383.
• Nguyen, Kristina Hartze (1992). "The Made Landscape: City and Country in Seventeenth-century Dutch Prints". Harvard University Art Museums bulletin. Vol. 1, no. 1. Harvard University Art Museum. ((cite magazine)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Niekerk, Carl H. (2000). "Race and gender in Multatuli's Max Havelaar and Love Letters". In Finke, Michael C.; Niekerk, Carl H. (eds.). One Hundred Years of Masochism: Literary Texts, Social and Cultural Contexts. Rodopi. ISBN 9789042006577. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Nieuwenhuys, Robert (1982). "Edward Browes Dekker". In Beekman, E. M. (ed.). Mirror of the Indies: A History of Dutch Colonial Literature. Translated by Van Rosevelt, Frans. University of Massachusetts Press. ISBN 9780870233685. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Pols, Ivor Vincent (1966). George Hendrik Breitner. Amsterdam. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• "Laatste dienst in Chr. Geref. kerk Amsterdam". Reformatorisch Dagblad. digibron. 1985-11-14. p. 2.

Further reading

• Graves, W.J. (1985). De Lauriergrachtkerk in Amsterdam, 1900 - 14 november - 1985. Christelijke Gereformeerde Kerk. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Lammertse, Friso; van der Veen, Jaap (2006). "The House on Lauriergracht". Uylenburgh & son: art and commerce from Rembrandt to De Lairesse, 1625–1675. The Oliver Millar Collection. Waanders Publishers. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• van Heel, S. A. C. Dudok (1982). "Het "schilderhuys" van Govert Flinck en de kunsthandel van Uylenburgh aan de Lauriergracht te Amsterdam". Jaarboek Amstelodamum. 74. J. H. de Bussy: 70–90. ((cite journal)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• van Heijst, Annelies (2002). "Heren in vereniging: stand en liefdadigheid". Liefdewerk: een herwaardering van de caritas bij de Arme Zusters van het Goddelijk Kind, sinds 1852. Uitgeverij Verloren. p. 70. ISBN 9789065507419. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)

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• Oh my goodness... Drmies (talk) 12:43, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
• Uncle G, that was a fine piece of work. We're live now; I added another house and a few words. Thank you so much. Next up, Benkoelenstraat and Insulindeweg, both in the Indische Buurt... Drmies (talk) 21:17, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Did you know …

… that Eduard Bird (a.k.a. Edward) probably lived on the Lauriergracht rather than the Egelantiersgracht, and left around half a million (figures vary from 376000 to over 616000) clay pipes to his son at his death?

• De Roever, Margriet (1987). "The Fort Orange 'EB' Pipe Bowls: An investigation of the origin of American objects in Dutch seventeenth-century documents". In Blackburn, Roderic H.; Kelley, Nancy A. (eds.). New World Dutch Studies: Dutch Arts and Culture in Colonial America, 1609-1776 : Proceedings of the Symposium. SUNY Press. pp. 51–62. ISBN 9781438429892. ((cite conference)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Duco, Don (2002). "The Amsterdam pipe maker Eduard Bird, a review of his life and work". Pijpenkabinet. Amsterdam Pipe Museum. ((cite web)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Neither did Wikipedia. Special:WhatLinksHere/Eduard Bird. I'll leave this one for the lurkers. Uncle G (talk) 02:11, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Egelantiersgracht

Someone has beeen writing about your swim to skool, Doktoro, after writing about shipwrecked orange birds. We should probably not mention Talk:Canals of Amsterdam#Red list, as xe might regard that as a challenge. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 18:40, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

• Well well, Uncle G: would you believe it, someone took a picture of the house I lived in. The top row of three windows was my floor; the single window above is for the bedroom. Best view in the world: lean out the window and look left--that's the Anne Frank Huis; and the sound of the Westerkerk's glockenspiel is the best. User:Picasdre, thanks for taking that picture: I trust you frequented 't Smalle, to the left? Drmies (talk) 23:04, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
• Doesn't look american ~~ ~mitch~ (talk) 23:18, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

In some ways the Time Lords are like many other people, Doktoro. They've give you a detailed and convincing back-story for your Chamelon Arch, but they've done it by copying and pasting Wikipedia and images from Commons, so that you've ended up improbably close to a famous person. You'll probably find that your memory of your childhood has an "In popular culture" section. Uncle G (talk) 23:04, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

14 redlinks left. Uncle G (talk) 00:38, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Only 8 left, now. Uncle G (talk) 22:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• Spuistraat took a while, and I haven't even looked at the/for references. Drmies (talk) 02:47, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Former townships of Alameda county

Just don't tell xem about Murray Township, Alameda County, California and the doco noted in the discussion of Robert, California (AfD discussion). Uncle G (talk) 22:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• It transpires that we also have Mulford, San Leandro, California, which really should be Mulford's Landing (previously Wicks Landing, with Thomas W. Mulford, another house, and another renamed railway station, Mulford Station to West San Leandro Station this time) because of the same 1996 U.S. GNIS foul-up by a person who could not read a map and tell a railway station from a landing. Uncle G (talk) 14:48, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
• Fascinating material, Uncle G. I put Roberts Landing up for DYK and closed the AfD. I really think you should send a couple of bucks via PayPal to Cullen328, so that he and Mrs. Cullen can go on a little road trip and take some pictures for you. Drmies (talk) 16:58, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
• This is not hyperbole. I have driven by that area thousands of times on the freeway which apparently runs just feet away from the Roberts House. If that beautiful old house shown at the top of the article still stands, I will try to find it and take some photos. Uncle G, if you can identify specific historic structures still standing in the Bay Area that need photos, let me know. Outstanding work. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:10, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
• Great work, Uncle G! I'm from the Bay Area and I didn't know any of this; in fact most Bay Area residents know little or nothing about the area's history, so keep up this good work. I note that the article San Leandro, California contains nothing about this and in fact doesn't even list the city's neighborhoods. Maybe you could work these historical settlements into the appropriate overall articles somehow? -- MelanieN (talk) 18:27, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Doktoro is trying to blame me for it all, again, and to get robots to come and blame me on my user talk page weeks from now. I just did what I occasionally do at AFD, turned an article nominated for deletion into a good stub. The blame and the thanks really should go elsewhere. Aymatth2 (talk · contribs) added the explosions and special effects in post-production, and gave you the Trojan Powder Company. So xe really deserves the blame here. The thanks should go to the historians who wrote those history books with the history in, of course.

On that subject, note that the full street address of Captain William Roberts' house is given in Dinkelspiel Cerny 2007, p. 310 and it looks like this when viewed from a careful (but not very good) angle that excludes the self-storage company sign. ☺

As for tying these, Mulford, San Leandro, California, and I suspect some other articles as well, together, I suggest that you encourage Naddruf (talk · contribs) who seems to have an interest in this stuff.

Uncle G (talk) 23:42, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

• Dinkelspiel Cerny, Susan (2007). An Architectural Guidebook to San Francisco and the Bay Area. Gibbs Smith. ISBN 9781586854324. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
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That's funny you noticed Vrankrijk so fast! Are you working on Spuistraat? Anyway I'm done for today in case you want to add more... Mujinga (talk) 20:52, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

• Doktoro and Aymatth2 (talk · contribs) have been quietly recolouring all of the hyperlinks at Talk:Canals of Amsterdam#Red list so that all of Doktoro's old swimming lanes are blue. See #Some baklava for you!. Uncle G (talk) 23:46, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
• Mujinga, thanks for getting on that. I wrote up/translated Spuistraat a few days ago; a couple of editors are putting Amsterdam's streets and canals on the map, and that's the one I did. Look up: User_talk:Drmies#Egelantiersgracht. So I got a ping because it was linked, and I thought it was funny because I had chosen not to translate that from the Dutch article, because I didn't want to deal with the Tabakspanden, for some reason. Anyway, my brother used to hang out at Vrankrijk, back in the 90s, so I was tickled, yeah. What do you think of the picture? I might could ask a friend of mine to take a few new ones--unless you happen to live there of course, in the most beautiful city in the world. BTW did you see this? Pretty crazy... Drmies (talk) 23:47, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
• Uncle, Aymatth really has done a great job. They're pretty much all done--I made a quick redirect for Westerstraat, and maybe I'll work on that one. Ha, I bet my friend is still using the chairs we, ahem, borrowed from a cafe there a couple of decades ago. De Blaffende Vis it was, I believe. Drmies (talk) 23:52, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

• WP:SPEAKENGLISH. -- Softlavender (talk) 00:13, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

• • Spreek Engels altijd? Ja hoor je weet het toch. Congrats on the canal project! When I checked the Spuistraat history yesterday I didn't scroll down and so I didn't see it had just been created, hahaha. For the picture, I think it does the job but a more recent one might be nice... I'm sure there's other photos needed too for the gallery :) As you probably know Tabakspanden are/were opposite Vrankrijk, really sad they got mostly demolished, it looked brutal when that was going on, just another step in the relentless gentrification process. After the eviction there was a lot of press, particularly about the Slangenpand, so it wouldn't be too hard to make a page. Just checked the Dutch page, it's not very well referenced at all. Speaking of references, I guess you know this already but Amsterdam also could do with some work. So many pages, so little time :) Mujinga (talk) 09:18, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi there!

You just banned EeVeeR Gaming for vandalism. I just recently warned an IP that was posting the same link as this user, so wanted you to take a look and see if a temporary block on this IP would be in order. Thank you! --Giooo95 (talk) 02:55, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks--it's taken care of, miraculously and automatically. Drmies (talk) 02:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • You're welcome, was the IP blocked or? --Giooo95 (talk) 03:00, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Yep. Drmies (talk) 03:03, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Drmies, ~ Hope you are doing ~ well~ you know as best that you can do as a Crimson Tide type person ~ lol ~ can you peek at this discussion for me 'add to it if you like' :)~ thanks ~mitch~ (talk) 23:47, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

• Hey, I don't understand that discussion at all. I am in complete agreement with you--it's like the Iron Bowl. If somehow Alabama and that other team would play each other in a bowl game or a season-opening exhibition or whatever, it wouldn't be an Iron Bowl. What a strange conversation, with a lot of poorly written comments. Good luck with it--as you can guess, there's only one Texas game ever I care about. Drmies (talk) 01:38, 2 August 2019 (UTC)*

  you know ~ ~ back in 1927 ~ it only happens once in a while ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 03:12, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

There are a few editors who are trying to change the lead sentence of the article so that the name in the lead is different from the title. I have been letting them make some edits, e.g., changing the logo, but reverting the lead changes. I'm not even sure of my ground here, meaning I don't know whether this sort of change is permissible or the article should be moved to the new name, assuming they are correct, which I haven't bothered to verify because I'm lazy. I assume the relevant policy is WP:COMMONNAME. I'm not reverting anymore; I'm passing it off to you and our favorite evaluator of truth, policy, and the American way: Uncle G.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:49, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

• Now, now, M. Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb! Doktoro does not do Foreign if it does not use Code Page 437. Uncle G (talk) 21:08, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
• And what are the odds that today I get misnamed in a doctor's office, with a Russian pronunciation. Side note, my EKG was "not very interesting". Hmm. Drmies (talk) 22:39, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
  • If there's one thing you want to be dull it's your EKG.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:50, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Do you see what I mean about Code Page 437? Even xyr spelling of electrocardiogram is Deutsch. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 10:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
      • That's how they say it in the doctor's office. I was surprised too. Drmies (talk) 15:05, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Xe misnamed you User:естьдоктор, presumably. Uncle G (talk) 10:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Hmm not exactly, haha. Drmies (talk) 15:05, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
• On the subject of doing away with things at a stroke: you will enjoy the Gordian knot approach demonstrated by Special:Diff/884558911. Uncle G (talk) 10:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Not yet, Uncle: I'm listening to Generation Taragalte, and writing related things. Drmies (talk) 15:05, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Biographies of very dead and fictional people
• vandalism citing WP:BOVDAFP
• Franssen, Paul J. C. M. (2016). "Wilde imaginings". Shakespeare's Literary Lives: The Author as Character in Fiction and Film. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 9781107125612. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)

For those lurkers who like editing articles related to Shakespeare, a blanking vandal apparently listening to a ″Wikipedia voice″ has opened up an opportunity to cite an actual English Professor, one Paul Franssen from the University of Utrecht. Franssen 2016, pp. 145–147 explains Burgess' dramatization of the Dark Lady that is based upon a discredited version of the Lucy Negro hypothesis, which was, ironically, discredited the same year that Burgess' book was published. Interestingly, the name Lucy Morgan is not mentioned in our Dark Lady (Shakespeare) article at all. Franssen even discusses how Burgess changed the Lucy Negro character for ″personal and somewhat arbitrary″ reasons to Malay and how that may have been a reflection of society in the 1960s. Uncle G (talk) 17:07, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

• Why do I get the feeling you are retired and don't enjoy fishing? ;) Drmies (talk) 17:29, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
• BTW I snooped around a little bit (not being an expert), and found this whole thing to totally lack credibility, hence my edit summary. JSTOR offers a variety of critical material, enough to write an article about--but yeah, this should go in the DL article. Drmies (talk) 17:32, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Franssen says that xe is writing about fictional portrayals of Shakespeare, and devotes several pages to Burgess' book. There's more to write on the Dark Lady, including a lack of evidence that any of the several people identified as ″Lucy Negro″ were dark-skinned; but there's also something to write about the book, too, other than that some person named Bloom liked it on Facebook or something. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 18:05, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Most welcome sir

Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:15, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi, do you think this user is disruptive? I am collecting some evidences of an admin who I feel is abusing his/her admin power.--SharabSalam (talk) 00:17, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

• Sorry, but that is way too much history for me to plow through. I don't see that evidence--the user can always request an unblock, which would mean another admin will be invited to look at the matter. Drmies (talk) 00:20, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
• I wonder which admin SS is referring to.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:30, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Yeah me too. Drmies (talk) 02:03, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Perhaps somebody has an axe to grind.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:15, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
  • And why would anyone think the blocked editor was disruptive? (rolls eyes while grinding big toe into dirt and whistling)-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:20, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
    • OK, that's enough eye-rolling. SharabSalam edit-warred and paid the price; SharabSalam, I don't think you'll gain much traction with a complaint against Bbb in this matter. There are more useful things to do: the article on imzad is woefully underdeveloped--for one thing, it's not just an instrument (kind of like Tende (drum) isn't just a drum). There's a great video I saw earlier, and it may have been related to the "Sauver l'imzad" site linked in the article--some group with "Jaguar" in the name, filmed in Oran 2016. Ha--here we go. Drmies (talk) 02:29, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
• Bbb, Dlohcierekim, do you know how to "hide" the list of names I added on Atlas Electronic? Kind of like that "hat/hab" set? I know there's albums that do that for tracklists--right now it takes up way too much space. Drmies (talk) 02:31, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

  Thusly?-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:39, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

  Or we could make columns?-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:40, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

  Dude! That's awesome. Thanks. Hey, if you can do it in three columns, inside that box, that would be great! Thanks! Drmies (talk) 02:48, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

  Use ((div col)) and ((div col end)) to split it into columns. Primefac (talk) 02:51, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

  Great--thanks! So it adjusts to the screen/device. That's great, Primefac: it's appropriate, considering that this article is likely to be read by a number of people whose only access to the internet is via a smartphone. I appreciate the technical help: it's one of my many weak spots. Drmies (talk) 02:55, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

  Th references disappeared.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:53, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Dlohcierekim. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Atlas Electronic, and have marked it as unpatrolled. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:55, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

• I just saw that! Fucking awesome, dude! I got a few more... Les Filles de Illighadad, Tende (drum), Génération Taragalte... And they all need a lot of help, BTW. Drmies (talk) 02:57, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
• Apparenly, page curation is something I could do without.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:59, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
  • You were mis-spelling ((coi)) anyway. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 20:37, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi. The Sockpuppet User:GARY_809 and User:AH999 again used multiple accounts, now in Dani Alves. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.174.217.227 / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.146.28.20 / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.179.12.63 / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.144.222.126 / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.144.208.82 / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.144.222.178

• User:Dlohcierekim, who do you know who's really good at rangeblocks? User:Fcbjuvenil, can you draw up a list in a sandbox? Drmies (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
• @Oshwah:-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:07, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

The 86.X.X.X IP users are in a huge range. You'd have to look at the contributions for 86.146.0.0/16 and 86.179.0.0/16 and see what part abuse has occurred. These are the maximum ranges you can block with IPv4. 109.144.0.0/12 appears to be the network range for the others, but I'm on mobile right now and my tools are at home. Once I get home in a few hours, I can verify the ranges and help. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:48, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Drmies, Dlohcierekim - Hey, sorry... just got home and sat down at my desk. Just putting the three IPs into the equation calculates back as a 109.144.208.0/20 range. This may be more useful to you as a much narrower range to investigate and handle. The CIDR range of the '86' IPs is still the same as I indicated above; it's a huge range, and you'd be better off investigating each one as a /16 (so, 86.146.0.0/16 and 86.179.0.0/16), since it's the maximum range width that we can search and block. Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance, and I'll be happy to help! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:31, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

	~ Sorry ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 21:09, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

• No worries. Drmies (talk) 04:17, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

On 9 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Eliakim Doolittle, which you recently nominated. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Eliakim Doolittle. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Vanamonde (Talk) 02:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, apologies for the ugly old template. Dunno how that happened. I will maybe get around to fixing it. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:28, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

There we go. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:30, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks—but it was all my Uncle’s work... Drmies (talk) 04:18, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

On 29 July 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ulster Literary Theatre, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that a lack of help from W. B. Yeats caused one of the founders of the Ulster Literary Theatre to say, "Damn Yeats! We'll write our own plays!"? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 00:03, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

• Uncle G, only 1,200 views... I know, Yeats is no Loschbour Man... Drmies (talk) 15:36, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Knowing how such things are calculated, I take page view counts with a large sackful of salt. Uncle G (talk) 11:13, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Please don't blind me with science. Just admit it, Loschbour man was a KILLER. Speaking of salt, and Neanderthals, there is work to do. Drmies (talk) 14:38, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm a bit murky on emails, beyond not posting them on Wikipedia. May I send to ArbCom should I feel the need?-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:29, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

• Yes ma'am. Anything exciting? Drmies (talk) 17:12, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Either more tenditious, personally attacking drivel, or a sincere and heartfelt apology. TBH, did not yet read.) If the former, may I send it to you? -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:40, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
    • If it sparks joy, sure! Drmies (talk) 17:42, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
      • OK. I read it. For them, sincere and heartfelt apology. That's a relief. No joy, just a dull, tired ache. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:43, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
        • If you want to read for enjoyment, try this. And I could use some help at El Salt, which could be the yugest DYK hit ever. Drmies (talk) 17:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
          • So paleo's were actually Vegans? In keeping with the Earth-mother goddess culture they may or may not have had.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:53, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
            • No no, they ate meat--the thing is, they also ate plants, which apparently was news. Drmies (talk) 18:04, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I was wrong. I have received an email I have forwarded to you.

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-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:19, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0214955 has the exact cöordinates. Uncle G (talk) 10:18, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

The newly created account, Niaf7J1mdM, is adding the same content as banned user Fajkfnjsak. I messaged Bbb23 about it since he was the blocking admin, and another editor opened a sockpuppet investigation. I thought you should know since you recently interacted with the new account. – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 22:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Regarding both that and this [1], plus the fact that someone tried to call my workplace looking to cause trouble and wikipedia admins did nothing about the threats of doxxing from Maynard and Williamson's facebook back-and-forths, I hope you will understand my response to Liz here. [2] After being accused of trying a "purge" for following policy with a mere two atrocious articles, I don't see why anyone bothers contributing to wikipedia at all. I certainly feel I have been given absolutely no incentive to do anything to contribute in editing now. 6YearsTillRetirement (talk) 05:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

• 6YearsTillRetirement, I don't really know what to tell you. I have not perused all your contributions but I saw they're all in the same area; that kind of makes you an SPA but that in itself is not a bad thing, and I don't mind, as long as that single purpose is in line with our policies and guidelines. I'm sorry some jackass thought they'd achieve something by harassing you--and I agree that this is very disconcerting; I remember the call I got very well. I am not surprised that there's a significant risk of harassment given Williamson's actions and posts on social media: it just shows us again how influential social media are, and how easily it sways people into all kinds of inappropriate things.

  I just saw that Sandstein closed the AfD. I had a quick look and I probably would have closed it the exact same way, including the BLP request for deletion. I agree that Liz's comment probably was unlikely to be accepted in the spirit in which I hope it was offered. As for the harassment, there is not very much that administrators can do, besides maybe some actions here on Wikipedia, including semi-protecting certain pages and blocking editors/IPs if they harass our editors. You may want to look at Wikipedia:Harassment#Dealing_with_harassment, specifically the third paragraph. Good luck, and again, I'm sorry you're at the receiving end of harassment. Drmies (talk) 15:14, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Edgar181 closed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tom_Kratman and then repeated Maynard's slur here [3]. 6YearsTillRetirement (talk) 04:39, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Sorry, but the only criticism I see is the mention of BEFORE, and that's not a slur. I agree that the article was absolute trash, but editors found sourcing. Drmies (talk) 16:43, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
      • Sorry I pasted the wrong link by accident while I was still very upset at seeing the comments. The correct link is here [4]. 6YearsTillRetirement (talk) 22:29, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
      • I also think it would be helpful it someone told Edgar181 to stop making insinuations about me especially since I saw your comment that someone already "investigated" me without telling me [5]. 6YearsTillRetirement (talk) 22:42, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

On 11 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Francis Joseph Bigger, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that a century after Irish antiquarian Francis Joseph Bigger had revived the Ulster Journal of Archaeology, sites he had dug were still being referred to as "well and truly Biggered"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Francis Joseph Bigger. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Thank you for all your help with Witch-hunts in Nepal. It was featured at DYK yesterday and got almost 10,000 views! You were like Yoda when you were teaching me things about what makes a good article during the review process. Usedtobecool ✉ ✨ 17:30, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

• Woohooo! Congratulations—you did great work on that article, and it's important. Bravo! Drmies (talk) 17:41, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

• Usedtobecool, please also give credit to The Rambling Man, for edits like this one. It is indeed a team effort. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:44, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
• That was some article! Thanks for bringing it to the fore. I had no idea - thought this went out of style in the 18th century... Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 18:13, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • It's actually worse in parts of India and Africa. Long way from that yet. But, we'll get there, eventually Of course, while people are quite aware of serious problems in India and Africa, most people seem to equate Nepal and Bhutan with Shangri-La, which keeps the issues of violence against women, racism in the form of casteism and nationalism, and in Bhutan's case, even ethnic cleansing, from getting wider attention, condemnation and action. Usedtobecool ^✉ ✨ 18:58, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Yes, I think that's certainly the case for Bhutan, visiting which BTW is on my bucket list. Drmies (talk) 20:42, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
• Indeed Drmies! The 0 byte diff is so misleading there. I am extremely grateful to The Rambling Man, as well as Mandarax, Cwmhiraeth and Yoninah for their wikignoming. And so is Ben. Usedtobecool ^✉ ✨ 18:58, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Hey D, I'm trying to get this editors (User talk:187.113.15.104) attention about discussing genre changes, but getting no where, can you give it a try ? Thanx, - FlightTime (open channel) 16:19, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Nvrmnd, they've stopped for now, thanx anyway. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello D. I hope you are well. I've just seen this though it has been out for five years. Since your family enjoys the show I thought they might like to make some of the items they've seen on the family TV. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 16:37, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Haha thanks! Yes--the Princess Cake is still on our list. But after watching the "Master classes" (or whatever they're called) I'm more interested in Mary and Paul's recipes than the contestants' things--we've made his ciabatta a couple of times, for instance. I'm trying hard to be more like him, better-looking and less hesitant about getting my hands in there. Drmies (talk) 16:41, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Well speaking of Paul's hands please don't pick up his habit of always jamming them into his pants pockets :-) I still have memories of my high school acting teacher telling us there are dozes of things we can do with them besides that. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 16:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Popular beat combo (AfD discussion)

Enjoy. Uncle G (talk) 19:49, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oh I'll enjoy watching someone handle that. I'm INVOOOOOLVED, haha. What do you call a ship full of judges at the bottom of the ocean? Drmies (talk) 20:41, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I know that you are. Enjoy the AFC submissions, that I said you would enjoy. Uncle G (talk) 20:47, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Ugh. I think you should get a real editor, like Martinevans123 or EEng, to take care of it. I had to harv and sfn El Salt all by myself. :( Drmies (talk) 20:52, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
      • I could have swapped contributing to the Project:Articles for deletion/International Journal of Greek Love discussion with you. You would not have enjoyed that. ☺ Anyway, people asked what I would do to refactor and rename. There's what I would do. Enjoy. Uncle G (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure what I'm being nominated to do here, but for now I've got my hands full with, ya know, the murders and so on, and Martinevans123's gonna be needed on that too. EEng 21:26, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

• I didn't murder anyone. Open up that AfD, and you'll see! Drmies (talk) 21:37, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Drmies means Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Popular beat combo (2nd nomination) here, not the other one. No, you're not being asked to do anything. I suggested that the article could be renamed and refactored. Andy Dingley and Rockphed asked me how. I've shown how, at least in my view. Maybe people will stop discussing renominations, and various people's WP:OMGWTFBBQ, long enough to discuss what to do with the article at hand, and comment on the suggestion. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 21:50, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
• I see that my contribution to the discussion has been marked as discussion closed. That's novel. Uncle G (talk) 22:01, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, I can see the purpose of hatting, but Amisom's edit summary is a tad on the dickish side. I wonder if User:EnPassant actually read the article; they might want to look at this comment. Drmies (talk) 22:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
    • It was plainly far too long to include on an Afd page. Amisom (talk) 07:11, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
      • It was a nominator marking someone else's discussion of an approach other than deletion as "This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.". Go read the likes of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hearts (film), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pressman Advertising Limited, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/These Heaux. We have all sorts of things at AFD discussions, from rewrite proposals through (commonly) vast external hyperlink farms to extensive source analysis tables. Uncle G (talk) 08:24, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
        • None of those AfDs seem to contain drafts of potential future articles, or indeed to contain anything even nearly as long as what I collapsed in the instatn AfD. Amisom (talk) 11:44, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
          • You have outworn your welcome here. Drmies (talk) 16:10, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate the time you take doing all you do in Wikipedia. I understand that there are guidelines regarding creating articles. I am currently working on setting up my account so it does not seem to be promotional in any nature. Will you kindly be available to giode me through? I will do another draft in a few days. I will appreciate your input. Thanks. --OLIVIAHNOAH (talk) 02:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Cueva de Bolomor at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; if you would like to continue, please link the nomination to the nominations page as described in step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with ((db-g7)), or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 09:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Consider this my birthday gift to you. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks User:Mandarax. Hey, I had set a plate for you tonight, but maybe my invitation got lost in the mail. Drmies (talk) 01:21, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

How kind of you to invite me to join in your birthday celebration. D'oh! Sorry I missed it. Hope you've been having a great birthday! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:59, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

nice — Ched :  ?  — 12:33, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• You know it! Drmies (talk) 00:34, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

He is born in Croatia, and his mother was Croatian. Entire familiy is born in Triune Kingdom of Croatia. [6] [] []. Bye.-- Uspjeh je ključ života (talk) 16:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I have posted this request - FlightTime (open channel) 16:46, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

User:Uspjeh je ključ života, I don't care. It's a matter that has been discussed to death--if you had looked at the talk page you could have seen that; if you had studied history, you could have guessed that. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 16:48, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@Uspjeh je ključ života:, Tesla's ethnicity has been discussed so much over time that there is a sub-page off the article Talk page here: Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality and ethnicity. Discussion in the archives goes back 10 years. I recomend you read that sub-page, including the archives, and that you post further there if you want to participate in the discussion. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 20:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Geoff, I left that link on their talk page too. I hope they use it. BTW it would be handy if there was a clear link to a clear RfC/Consensus there... Drmies (talk) 21:05, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

FlightTime, I don't know--I don't see a lot of that Serbo-Croatian stuff in the recent history. The recently-reverted batches of edits appear to be good-faith efforts. Drmies (talk) 16:49, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Please see my talk. I will need to rename.-- Dlohcierekim 04:14, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

They said I should talk to arbcom about renaming. Obviously my secret identity wasn't secret enough.-- Dlohcierekim 05:01, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

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On 16 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Clyde Foster, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Clyde Foster (pictured), a mathematician with NASA, persuaded former Nazi rocket scientist Wernher von Braun to support a computer science program at historically black Alabama A&M University? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Clyde Foster. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 12:04, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for another good one. Reminded me also of this pic I took. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm really glad Foster got the picture slot! Thanks, Yoninah, for selecting it, and Valereee, for the crop job. (I just wish it could have run for a full 24 hours rather than the recently-changed-to 12.) BTW, Doc, did you ever hear from his niece? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:46, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Yep--I appreciate everyone's help, especially my Uncle's, for the expansion. No, I emailed her but didn't hear back, and I can't advertise it on Facebook since I somehow earned myself a 30-day block... Drmies (talk) 00:32, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

естьдоктор is trying to blame me again. Whereas it is actually Aymatth2 (talk · contribs) that is writing about Spanish hills such as Sierra de Tejeda. Uncle G (talk) 00:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• Hey you can make up for a bunch of things--help me out with The 1619 Project. I don't have access to this or the NYT article. Drmies (talk) 00:54, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
  • It comes up as a blank page for me. I keep telling people that I do not have access to this Tex-Mex Lexus stuff like others do. This will not gain you youth cred, Doktoro. Uncle G (talk) 01:58, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Mysore, Meghana (2019-08-16). "The New York Times Magazine Presents 'The 1619 Project' Onstage". Pulitzer Center. ((cite web)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Of course, Proposed United States purchase of Greenland (AfD discussion) has now highlighted Gustav Rasmussen [de], who is not a hill in Spain. But who, according to history books rejected the U.S. memorandum of 1947, saying that Denmark did not "owe them [the United States] the whole island of Greenland", even though newspapers do not appear to have picked up on this fact. Uncle G (talk) 01:34, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• Evidence from absence? Neanderthals have been quite the topic of discussion in our household. Drmies (talk) 01:35, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• Is it too soon to close that per SNOW? That always makes me feel good. Hey, I see that in this timezone it's my birthday already. Drmies (talk) 01:37, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• Are all men like this? Am I like this? Sheesh, I hope not. Drmies (talk) 02:17, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Speaking of Neanderthals and the front page, a giant homeless rhinoceros currently seems to be Today's Featured Article! MPS1992 (talk) 12:06, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Haha, that's what I thought it said too! Drmies (talk) 01:18, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
    • I think that we should not be castigating people as Neaderthals for daring to venture the opinion that Wikipedia be written for its own sake, not for what can be put on the main page. Uncle G (talk) 19:12, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello! Your submission of Cueva de Bolomor at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! GirthSummit _(blether) 18:19, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Just for clarity (I haven't used this template before) - the only issue is the missing QPQ, everything else looks good. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 18:19, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Wondering ...... [note: every time I type an ellipsis, I hear Stephen Colbert's voice in my head saying "dot, dot, dot"] ...... why it's "Cueva de", when the Official Site uses "Cova del"? Now, I could use a frozen margarita ... where's my Cuervo? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:37, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

I wrote the article, or started it, before I saw the website. I probably borrowed the name from List of Neanderthal sites, and a lot of the sources have "Bolomor Cave" (or "Bolomor cave") anyway. I don't mind it being moved to one or the other. But Mandarax, while I was working on this I learned about Valencian (well, I learned that it exists), and that may be what's happening here--I saw some varieties in other articles. Oh, one more thing: the "Cuervo" variety at Aldi seems to be pretty decent. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Doesn't matter to me ... was just curious. I had wondered about the Valencian possibility too, but the official site's Spanish and Valencian options both use "Cova del Bolomor". I'm far from a tequila aficionado; I generally see it as nasty stuff unless it's magically transformed into a delicious margarita. The one exception was many years ago when I had some, I believe, Centenario, which I might describe as sipping tequila; I could actually consume it straight without retching. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:55, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Shoot, "Cuervo"--now I get it. Ha, I was thinking of Mexican lager. I do like tequila, BTW--but yeah, the good stuff is really good (there's a very decent reposado at the local liquor store, the one that caters to the local restaurants), and the cheap stuff should not be sipped. I got a bottle of The Famous Grouse for my birthday, which is about the top of the range we can afford, haha. You're welcome to some, you know that--anytime you want to come to Alabama. Drmies (talk) 02:14, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. But be careful ... I may just take you up on it some day.

In other news ... sometimes I find myself inexplicably drawn into reading a discussion, and I don't know how I got there or why, and I start wondering why I'm wasting my time reading all of this stuff I don't really care about. But then today I noticed that you'd thrown in a "litterally", and it made it all worthwhile! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:07, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

happy birthday in all and any appropriate timezones MPS1992 (talk) 01:47, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks! I appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• Of course, this is only xyr birthday according to the fictional biography that the Time Lords implanted via the Chameleon Arch, which was copied and pasted from Wikipedia, probably has an "In popular culture" section, and likely had the birthday subtly altered by a vandal. As to when the real birthday is: Who knows? Uncle G (talk) 02:17, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• ... and some music and a butterfly and a smile of congrats --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Uncle G, we just had cake and I got gifts, so if this was a fake birthday, it was a pretty good one. Drmies (talk) 02:19, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
    • It will of course seem perfectly real to you, Doktoro. I am just preparing the lurkers for next year, when (if the date vandal has another go) you might well be sure that your birthday falls on a completely different day. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 22:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
• Happy B-day, Doc! I allus thot you might be a Leo. Softlavender (talk) 05:56, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
• ♪You're the birthday, you're the birthday, you're the birthday, boy or girl! ♪ El_C 06:00, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • That is very disconcerting, El C. Drmies (talk) 00:36, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
    • True (poor Señor Beaveratti), but I just love the song! El_C 00:57, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Happy birthday a day late D. This version of the song is seared into the memory of everyone from my part of Colorado who grew up in the 60s, 70s and even into the 80s. I hope your day was enjoyable. MarnetteD|Talk 17:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Hmm Blinky the Clown? I am not sure what to think. Maybe it's time someone translate nl:De film van Ome Willem--that's what I grew up with! Drmies (talk) 00:41, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
  • We had Romper Room in our area. No recollection of any birthday-song oddities. MarnetteD, please assure me that you were NEVER on that Blinky show, just like I was NEVER on Romper Room (the version I watched was filmed in the city 30 miles from me but I was never on it). Softlavender (talk) 05:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
    • While I wasn't on it Softlavender if you sent him a letter mentioning your birthday he would announce it on air. He read out my name on my seventh :-) MarnetteD|Talk 16:28, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
• Happy Birthday, Doc! De728631 (talk) 20:31, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you all--this is very kind. And the birthday cake was delicious. Drmies (talk) 00:35, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Happy Belated Birthday Drmies. ~mitch~ (talk) 01:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I wish. I'm spending mine ripping out a rotten, moldy vanity.-- Dlohcierekim 17:55, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Koji Nakano (composer)

• I just ran across this but didn't have time to do anything with it except place a tag, which doesn't even address all of the problems. Softlavender (talk) 11:48, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Maybe someone like User:Gerda Arendt knows what to do with it? Drmies (talk) 13:54, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, but no idea what to do with a 2011 unsourced IP creation. I had hoped it was new, and we could talk to the creator about formatting and need for sources. I couldn't tell if there's something in Japanese. Perhaps Narutolovehinata5 could find sources for a borderline notable person, described in flowery language, - copied? Next step: WP:COMPOSERS. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

End of here, turn to talk WP:Classical music, article in Japanese was deleted. Sorry for another ping to 2 people, Narutolovehinata5. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Just the person I wanted to talk to. See Julia Fischer, a German violinist. The other day we were comparing versions of the first movement of the Tchaikovsky violin concerto on YouTube. Hers was quite good, so I looked at her article. It's pretty messy. Needs more than just removal/softening of the promotional material. It badly needs reorganization as much of it overlaps (repetitious) and I don't think needs as many separate sections. I could do it, but I was hoping... --Bbb23 (talk) 18:12, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

next year perhaps ... - writing an FA, much slower than I hoped it would grow, look for the green icon on top of my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh well. Drmies should be up from his nap by now.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:07, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

On 22 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article El Salt, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 50,000 years ago a Neanderthal defecated on an old campfire in El Salt, Spain, and proved the Neanderthal diet also included plants? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/El Salt. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 00:02, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

This made me chuckle. Congratulations Drmies.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:12, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

HI! Drmies ~ there is a discussion I would like to bring to your attention ~ here scroll down past the munbo jumbo ~ to the last few edits ` let me know here (on your talk page ~ or mine) what you think ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 06:06, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

If he doesn't want to be called something, even though he is something, we can't call him that? That's not what I said/meant. My point was that if he identified as such, then it would be different/cleaner. I wasn't implying that we can't call a racist a racist even if he doesn't call himself a racist. Have a good day! Buffs (talk) 14:52, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

• Good--thanks. Drmies (talk) 15:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Can a brother get a hand in Carlos Delgado (footballer) please (reference #6, i tried and tried but could not come up with anything of worth)?

The stalker seems to have vanished so i stupidly continued (even though i'm not having any fun anymore here), when/if they return i'll go. Regards to you --Quite A Character (talk) 21:03, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• In a little while, old friend.

Well? --Quite A Character (talk) 21:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

[7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drmies (talk • contribs) 2019-08-23 02:30:36 (UTC)

• There will be more. Until the next news cycle anyway. Uncle G (talk) 09:32, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Shimron, Yonat; McFarlan Miller, Emily; Jenkins, Jack (2019-08-22). "Trump and the politics of the Messiah". Salt Lake Tribune. ((cite news)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
    • Hmpf, seems to me more like he's someone else. If he is claiming to be Messias, then oh my.-- Dlohcierekim 10:00, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
      • I saw that kind of thing on some page, maybe a pro-Warren page on Facebook, people saying "well Trump looks like the real anti-Christ to me", and I find that almost as scary. "Almost" also because those people are just fools on Facebook, without an army, a navy, a Marine corps, and a bunch of Space Troopers at their command. Drmies (talk) 14:21, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
• I make no comment on the politics, merely observe that the edits will no doubt continue. In the meantime: Where do the lurkers recommend finding an English Professor? One who might know enough about archetypes to know whether it is John Mills or Pip that is the Boy next door (stock character) (AfD discussion)? I have some business with that Zaphod Gearbox character to attend to in the meantime. Uncle G (talk) 18:19, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
  • No clue, I know more about the etymology of the man on the Clapham omnibus and a moron in a hurry. The latter is possibly of relevance in the context of 21st Century US politics, where the type seems remarkably common. Guy (Help!) 18:49, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
    • No politics please in this room. I keep it value- and interest-free. Drmies (talk) 20:37, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
    • M. Gearbox, you need to body debit yourself downstairs. It seems that I now need to provide Frawd Der with a new even more super-secret Drmies character biography. Uncle G (talk) 23:47, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

• Uncle G, if I didn't know any better I'd say you retired to go fishing but accidentally retired in Phoenix. Drmies (talk) 23:51, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
  • On that subject, I couldn't find any doco telling me whether one could fish in Cracker Lake (Florida) (AfD discussion). Uncle G (talk) 00:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Hmm ROAD TRIP! Drmies (talk) 00:25, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I noticed that you reverted one of my AIV reports regarding an IP that keeps adding non-English text. "Série", as far as my knowledge of the English language is concerned, is not English. It should be series. This also isn't the first time they've done it, as evidenced here. I have reason to believe that this is a disruptive IP because they never use edit summaries (hence their rationale is unclear), nor do they respond to warnings. I would like to know what you think about it. Thanks. Sk8erPrince (talk) 00:47, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

• I think that I'm not going to block someone because they write "serie" with an accent aigu. If I compare that edit you link to with the other 99k of chit-chat in that manga article, meh. Drmies (talk) 00:53, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Hey, Drmies, thanks for your guidance this past month. I'm slowly cleaning up old J-pop related articles, especially Hello! Project related pages made before 2010. I'm considering merging Hello! Project Kenshusei to Hello! Project since they are just trainees, but would matching the format to SM Rookies look better? Also, I just renamed Mini-Moni and will be renaming the rest of their articles to match how their name is reported on English media. I looked through Mika Todd and her article has no sources nor does she have any notability outside of Coconuts Musume and Mini-Moni. Would you recommend merging? If so, which article should I merge hers with? lullabying (talk) 06:51, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

...NeilN? I'd taken my eye off the ball and hadn't noticed is absence. We had our early issues, but they kind of died a death and I ended up quite liking him. One of the better admins, by all accounts. Cassianto^Talk 17:42, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) No clue, I added him to Missing Wikipedians last month. Hope he's OK and just on Wikibreak, kinda long one though. - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 17:48, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

They're good to take from time to time as this place burns you out. I hope he pops back in time to reclaim his bit, that way we'll know he's ok. Best regards. Cassianto^Talk 18:14, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Cassianto and FlightTime FWIW at some point Neil mentioned that work was keeping him extremely busy. Now that was months ago and all sorts of things could have happened in the mean time. He is missed and I hope he returns as well. MarnetteD|Talk 18:28, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

I've been blocked once by mistake. Neil has been blocked twice in error, once by me. He wins.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:39, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Drmies, Google Robert Frost ashes Dartmouth. Mild hazing Ivy League style.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:41, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

• Hmm. Yay, college fun for kids who don't need college to succeed. So a dude ate a bag of pepper? Which reminds me--y'all should consider steering clear of Aldi's pepper-encrusted bacon; it's really too spicy for regular bacon applications, at least for 4 out of 5 members of my household. Drmies (talk) 17:17, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

• Excellent advice. I'll stick to not eating regular bacon. Yesterday, I had a dish with green curry at a Thai restaurant. They had the 1-5 star system for spiciness, and one of the women at the table next to us asked the server about the stars. The server replied, one star mild, two stars medium, and was then cut off by the woman who said three stars please. I then asked the server, whom we know because we go often to this restaurant, what she had intended to say before being cut off, and she smiled and said, three stars hot, and the rest insane.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:28, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oh that's hilarious. Was it painful? I had an experience with a know-it-all, a Dutch woman in a restaurant in the south of France, who was pontificating in Dutch to her table companion, something about the bottle of peppers in oil. She poured it all over her food and had to spend the rest of the meal pretending it was NOT HOT AT ALL and exactly what she wanted. I explained all this sotto voce to Mrs. Drmies, who is now convinced I'm a traitor to my country: I should have warned the lady the stuff was hotter than Hades. Drmies (talk) 17:32, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

• Snigger. Sounds like something out of a 19th century novel where the woman is trying to save face for "society". The woman in my restaurant was different. Although I don't understand why she bothered asking, she was some kind of Asian-American, and clearly didn't have a problem with three stars. One of the dishes she ordered was my very favorite, Spicy Thai Noodles, made with fresh wide rice oodles and "stuff". I like it with 2 stars, which is spicy enough for my taste. I had the green curry for a change. BTW, before we had our main dishes, we had this exquisite duck soup with 5-spice. Besides lovely pieces of duck, it has shitake mushrooms, bok choy, cilantro, bean sprouts, and thin rice noodles. Sometimes I think I could have that every day, even though it is hard to eat without splattering.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:40, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Bbb23, I'm shocked to see you using a word like snigger. So offensive! EEng 18:39, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

It's similar to the sound Mr. Panks makes in Little Dorrit (TV series).--Bbb23 (talk) 19:01, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Drmies:,

Thank you for monitoring incoming recentchanges. I'd like to discuss with you the Kaushal_Manda. My assessment is this is a page blanking without providing reason. I'd think that User:2401:4900:367a:ce7b:249a:1f39:ca1f:f895 needs to justify the reason before making such large scale blanking. What do you think? I am open to be educated and convinced if I were wrong. xinbenlv ^{Talk, Ping} 21:50, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

• Yes, they should discuss/explain, and that's why I left an "edit summary" notice on their talk page. But their edit improved the article, and that's what always takes precedence. Drmies (talk) 21:53, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

I see, thank you @Drmies:, that makes a lot of sense now. Thank you for explanation. xinbenlv ^{Talk, Ping} 22:48, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

User:Xinbenlv, sure thing--I appreciate what you do, and I know it is sometimes almost tempting to revert an unexplained revert by an IP editor. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 23:04, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

for using unlinked cryptics, in future, will try to be more properly detailed, and thank you for your guidance JarrahTree 23:52, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

• Rock on. Remember, everyone else always knows less than you do. Drmies (talk) 17:15, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
• there all these frank zappa lyrics that come back when I think of the general ignorance that surrounds us - and nothing to to do with lunch in this instance JarrahTree 00:39, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
  • There was talk of our family packing up and moving to Montana. Drmies (talk) 14:22, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Dental floss business opportunity? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Drmies please blocked this user 120.29.73.66 i'm not vandalized because everything in the article is true and i read it and monitor. I watch on tv or full episodes i just based on the tv network whats all important. This user 120.29.73.66 has reverted has not released by the network or full episodes or reliable sources. Barneysss (talk) 15:26, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• Hmm not sure what article you are talking about. It seems they're making the rounds saying pretty much the same thing about you. Drmies (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• Hehe, I noticed the same thing but, unlike you, I reverted Barneysss on my Talk page. They have plenty of "nicer" admins to complain to.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:09, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• Well. Drmies (talk) 16:13, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• I'm so sorry i mean about reported you please protected the article of Kadenang Ginto. This article has reverted the user 120.29.73.66 has not reliable sources or not released by the network, tv or full episodes. Barneysss (talk) 16:22, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• No good deed goes unpunished.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:39, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• Well, where to point? User:Jusgtr reverted you, so maybe you're wrong. I have an idea: you talk this out on the talk page. Yeah, you can say "unverified", but there's a lot of unverified stuff, and one can easily argue that a list of actors/characters is simple plot information. Then again, Jusgtr, one can also argue that what you reinstated contained a BLP violation. And that's really all there is to say here on this particular topic--unless you somehow manage to bring Neanderthals into this discussion, cause that's where it's at. Drmies (talk) 17:12, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
• Bbb23, if only our edits were classy. Drmies (talk) 17:31, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• Classy LTA.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:14, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you Bbb. I was hoping someone would see in this an invitation to check. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 20:30, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Gara Medouar at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; if you would like to continue, please link the nomination to the nominations page as described in step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with ((db-g7)), or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 10:24, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Drmies, I wonder if "to adopt Moroccan nationality" might be better than "to adopt the Moroccan nationality"? If so, one would need an administrator, like yourself for example, to edit it at Template:Did you know/Queue#Queue 4. 14:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

I see someone has taken care of that--but I don't know who or how or where. Thanks, and yeah, that was not good, Drmies (talk) 16:06, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Not especially bad, just a little too true to the presumably French source wording. But, I think it's still broken, needs editing here. MPS1992 (talk) 16:14, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Wait--you have it the other way around. No, I'm going with "the" in it. Drmies (talk) 17:07, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

The ENGVAR parts of my brain are all messed up -- part-British education with mostly U.S. reading material alongside some even more confusing aspects -- so I'm probably better to let you keep it how you like it. We had an authentically Moroccan-style shakshouka for dinner yesterday, very nice too. MPS1992 (talk) 17:44, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Interesting. Yes, BE usage is quite different sometimes--another thing I learned on Wikipedia. Oh, is that what shakshouka is--yes, I've eaten that, though in a more Italian setting. Love it. What I miss is merguez. We used to eat that all the time in the south of France. Drmies (talk) 17:49, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Which is delicious — unlike The Shakshuka System. El_C 00:13, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, The Green children of Woolpit article has been imported to v:WikiJournal_Preprints/Green_children_of_Woolpit. Whenever you're ready to proceed:

1. Fill in the "article info" template at the top (often easiest in VisualEditor)
2. When you're ready to submit it, just fill in the authorship declaration form

Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 01:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

A particular Nate Speed sock that you blocked within the last hour or so e-mailed me one of their trademark threats. What's my next course of action? Crboyer (talk) 01:40, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

@Crboyer: I see only one account blocked recently by Drmies that is clearly such a sock, but that account had email disabled. If the mail was sent via Wikipedia (from a user at Wikipedia), please identify the user. If wanted, email Drmies or myself the name for its email to be disabled. If the email was not sent from an editor, delete the email and do not click any links it may contain. There is not much that can be done about a situation like apart from ignoring it. WP:DENY works eventually. Per WP:LTA/NS, threats can be reported to WP:EMERGENCY but ignoring it would just as effective unless extreme. Johnuniq (talk) 01:50, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

I just looked at some recent edits. There is no point arguing with an LTA. Report the issue somewhere for an admin to revision delete nonsense and to protect the page if needed. There is also very little point tagging socks which just provides encouragement IMHO. Some banned users make good contributions and their socks might be active making reasonable edits for an extended period. In that case, tagging might be useful. However, for an LTA a tag is just an invitation to keep going because we notice them and provide social interaction. Johnuniq (talk) 01:57, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Crboyer, I got a notification that that account had sent me two emails; apparently they didn't think they were a loser. Strange, right, cause it seems so obvious. Anyway, I blocked the account right away and disabled email. I would just forget their existence--they're really not worth it. And next time you see that idiotic screaming, you go "oh. yeah. them" and report. Take care, Drmies (talk) 01:59, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

On 27 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Paul Pascon, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that archaeologist Paul Pascon was a Pied-Noir whose devotion to the situation of Moroccan peasants led him to take Moroccan citizenship? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, just give me one good reason why these extra sandboxs are not fair to create, please explain why you're trying to do this, why, is it illegal or something or against the law that I cannot do this, it's not like I'm getting away with it, please, all I'm trying to do create these extra sandboxs for personal data information of mine that I've been doing for a long time now, I mean, please! the_john_perez 18:28, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

@The john perez: Drmies already linked you to the policy that says you "cannot do this". Basically, Wikipedia is not a place to store "personal data information of mine". If you want to encourage Drmies not to be deleting your sandboxes all the time, then firstly you need to read, understand, and comply with Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia, and secondly you need to provide some explanation of the purpose that your sandboxes serve in improving this encyclopedia. It could also be that I have misunderstood what is going on, as I have not seen whatever it is that has been deleted. MPS1992 (talk) 19:46, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks MPS. User:The john perez, I suppose I am happy that you finally found a talk page and a reason to communicate. If you had done so before you created seven more of those policy-violating sandboxes, you wouldn't have wasted all that time. Yes, you cannot do this--one, it's not a place where you can do personal data storage. Secondly, you cannot take other people's material without attributing it properly. Drmies (talk) 20:55, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Without cheating and looking at the article: What are the main ingredients and serving temperature of a Popeye's Chicken Sandwich (AfD discussion)? Uncle G (talk) 16:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

• Well, first of all Popeye's is pretty good but Chick-Fil-A is cleaner and very friendly--maybe for compensation. Second, what do you want to hear? Bread, chicken breast, cornflakes? Or are you looking for enriched wheat flour, hydrogenated soybean oil, etc.? I'm going to assume that they at least put some pickle on it or something (and I'll add the mayo and hot sauce, tyvm). As for temperature, I cook chicken breast to around 160, and any higher than that is crazy, so that is the upper limit (I assume we're asking about the serving temperature of the inside of the chicken inside the sandwich, and not the whole spectrum from top to bottom).

  But really, if you go to Popeye's, you need to get a 3-piece combo. Everybody knows that. Drmies (talk) 17:26, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

• OK so they put mayo on it: good for them, but Mrs. Drmies won't set foot inside the place. Drmies (talk) 17:28, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
• Damn this is making me hungry. I just checked--there's a Popeye's on the way home. Drmies (talk) 17:30, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Pick me up some! --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
    • OK that's it. I'm going. Drmies (talk) 17:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
• If you cheat and look at the article, you'll find that in the infobox the bread is an optional, usual, ingredient of this sandwich, rather than one of the main ingredients. Perhaps that's why it is so newsworthy. Perhaps it is the very unusual serving temperature. Uncle G (talk) 18:21, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
  • If there's no bread, it's not a sandwich! MPS1992 (talk) 19:47, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
    • So you claim. Wikipedia says different. It's in an infobox with a little superscripted number and everything. Uncle G (talk) 22:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
      • One could ask where you stand on the hot dog. Me, I don't stand on hot dogs, esp. not in my cooking room. Drmies (talk) 23:32, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
• Of course, this news is as nothing to Girth Summit's obliviousness to the existence of California whilst xe was standing on it. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 18:41, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
  • California is like the air we breathe, which we don't recognize until we're dropped in outer space gasping like a fish out of water. Uncle, you're being a bit strict in your application of syntactic determination. Alright, Kansas Bear, guess what. They were sold out. Drmies (talk) 20:59, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Figures. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
• You mean Chick-fil-A is very friendly to compensate for the horrendous socio-political views of the people behind it? Well, your ex-governor seems to love 'em, but I would've thought that someone as enlightened as yourself would boycott companies such as this. I once ate at a Green Burrito, and I was horrified to later discover that I'd inadvertently patronized a Carl's Jr. company. I certainly haven't been back since. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:55, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't go there voluntarily, Mandarax, and...hold on...yeah less than ten times, I'm pretty sure. Yes, that's what I meant. And at the same time, of all the fast food places in the US (my experience is a bit limited) they are the most hospitable and friendly of em all, that's the crazy thing. And I bet you if I came in in drag they'd be just as friendly. But the company's politics are disgusting, yes. Drmies (talk) 03:07, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Man people are dumb. Ima stop watching Cabaray right now. Drmies (talk) 03:26, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Frye Gaillard is now in article space per your request. Is your roast done yet? I can't say it's my best work, there's scant biographical information out there, but he's written a ton of books and I've probably missed some. Acroterion (talk) 02:56, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

DUDE Drmies (talk) 14:35, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Very well done. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:01, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Examples of better work would be Bernard R. Hubbard (a very strange man who could title a book Mush, You Malamutes! with a straight face), or for working with limited sourcing, BunaB. Acroterion (talk) 03:10, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Fascinating. Hubbard was a Jesuit from San Francisco, and I graduated from the Jesuit University of San Francisco. I am quite interested in the mountains of Alaska and had an aunt who lived there for many years. And I never heard of him before. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:22, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

As for odd gadgets, a slightly more elevated example is Zenith Radio Nurse, which I wrote most of. I get a kick out of the fact that car radios, baby monitors and garage door openers were interfering with each other in 1938. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:30, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

• encyclopaedia.com is an aggregator. If one cites it, what one is actually using is one of the things aggregated, in this case an edition of a book by Gale Research. Uncle G (talk) 08:46, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Fuller, Amy Elisabeth, ed. (2009). "Gaillard, Frye 1946–". Contemporary Authors. New Revision Series. Vol. 181. Cengage Gale. ISBN 9781414419251. ((cite encyclopedia)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
    • Thanks, I was having trouble with how to arrange that cite - Gale would be the correct way to do it. Acroterion (talk) 11:35, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Who are you may I ask? An admin? I join Wikipedia not to make friends, but to provide truths and facts. And I do not know them face-to-face. And there are pages of largest species don't have reference of reliable sources in the open paragraph to prove that they are the largest species, like tiger. And the edits I added for saltwater crocodile are facts. Seriously, is this Wikipedia too demanding? I'm beginning to wonder if other people were right about saying that the Wikipedia is untrustworthy? --Manwë986 (talk) 01:42, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

• We do things based on reliable sources here. If you think that somehow having unreliable sources makes Wikipedia more trustworthy, then I wonder if this is a good fit for you. Drmies (talk) 01:44, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
• And yes you may, and yes I am. Drmies (talk) 01:44, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Those SOBs are aggressive. Glad there are none of them living near your kids. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:53, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
• @Manwë986: Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it is sourced in the article body it need not be sourced in the lead. I am wary of promulgators of Truth. Also of 'gators. We have no crocs in this part of Florida, except for certain politicians, of course. I've had two instances of gators coming after my dog. To claim it is unsafe to share an environment with crocodilians is a vast understatement. -- Deepfriedokra 02:09, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
  • MOS:LEADCITE indicates that cites can be used in the lede but don't necessarily have to if the info is cited later in the article. For an unlikely venue to find freshwater gators see this website. It is a remarkable place to visit. MarnetteD|Talk 02:22, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

No, Drmies. Some other people think that Wikipedia is untrustworthy because not everything are true. Perhaps so, for they don't even need Wikipedia to prove so, as they access websites and news etc. I add references of news and scientific resources, if one sentence wasn't enough. As I said, the tiger page doesn't have references in the open paragraph to prove that it is the largest cat. Please visit the tiger page and you know what I mean. --Manwë986 (talk) 02:34, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Back 12ya, all I heard was that Wikipedia (the encyclopedia anyone can edit) was untrustworthy. Are we now less often regarded as untrustworthy? We must have some cache, based on the number of promo user pages I delete.-- Deepfriedokra 02:54, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Countless people yearn for favorable coverage on the #5 website in the world, while simultaneously denouncing Wikipedia as untrustworthy. It works both ways for them. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:59, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Manwë986, Wikipedia is criticized because a. "anyone can edit" and thus articles are sometimes vandalized or written by complete idiots, b. it supposedly contains improperly verified or untrue material. Not sure what you mean with "scientific resources"--you were the one who cited this. That's a "scientific resource"? From the same website that published this? A site whose "content guidelines" is so obviously devoid ("Welcome to Kinja, where you own the story") of editorial oversight that they are proud of it? Very scientific. Drmies (talk) 14:42, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Kelapstick, this is a good time to comment on your latest culinary exploit. Drmies (talk) 14:44, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

I'll be living up to my namesake this evening. As to the sourcing mentioned above, @Manwë986:, sounds like it's the sort of sourcing that gives Wikipedia a low reputation.-- Deepfriedokra 14:49, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

There are websites that can prove that saltwater crocodile is the largest living reptile. And I even put two references. --Manwë986 (talk) 15:46, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Manwë986—the jury is out on whether Wikipedia is inaccurate and biased or accurate and unbiased but it is up to each of us make it accurate and unbiased. Bus stop (talk) 15:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

I started a discussion at WP:No_original_research/Noticeboard#Can_we_clarify_when_an_interview_is_merely_a_primary_source... I linked to an edit you made, but did not explicitly name you. No personal reflection is intended. I think many people interpret the policy the way you did. But I think that interpretation doesn't really make sense, when you look at the notes, in detail. Geo Swan (talk) 19:54, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

• I think the article has bigger problems than that--as some sort of fundamental point about policy, you missed the point. If you want to find a test case for the admittedly contextual definition between primary or secondary sources, you need to look elsewhere. For the interested onlooker: it's all about this edit. Drmies (talk) 20:43, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

why are you removing so much information from YUNGBLUD's page? what is wrong with having the informaton of his tattoos and the references? they're literally a aprt of his fanbase and who he is. Sawhitney36 (talk) 23:42, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

also he's literally been on these tours, I've been trying to add more information because originally this page was pretty much empty and didn't have any updated informtion on him, but it doesn't help when you keep deleting it, maybe correct it instead? like i'm trying to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sawhitney36 (talk • contribs) 23:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

You'll need to provide published sources in independent media, not your own observations from videos or Facebook posts - see WP:NOR - and those secondary sources should explain why the tattoos are important enough to be mentioned specially in an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia isn't a place to document every personal characteristic of a personality or performer. Acroterion (talk) 23:50, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Sawhitney36, Facebook and YouTube are not reliable sources for Wikipedia. You need to study WP:RS and limit yourself to the use of high quality reliable independent sources. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:52, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

i apologise for reverting the edits, I just got confused because I came to the page to a lot of my edits and updates reverted just because the sources weren't considered reliable, I just feel like instead of them being deleting them, a better source could have been found. I do now understand that facebook and YouTube aren't realiable sources, with wikipedia I get confused because there are so many rules, what exactly is and isn't considered reliable? Sawhitney36 (talk) 23:58, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

If you can find a published source that provides the information (preferable more than one, to show it's notable), and explains why they're important features of the subject, then that's fine. But it's up to you to do that. Acroterion (talk) 00:01, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

I thought I did do that, I just wasn't aware that the sources weren't reliable, I'm now trying to figure out what is and isn't a good enough source, I have re-read the wikipedia rules and it's still confusing to me. I could add a source but I don't know what's going to get removed because it's not good enough, if the tattoos do get brought up it's usually a youtube video. Sawhitney36 (talk) 00:09, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

It's all about the Benjamins. Sorry, I wasn't looking at my talk pages. Was making dessert-y pancakes. Ate half of them. Hint: peach preserves on pancakes is not the best option. Sawhitney, if it's not verified in reliable secondary sources and only on YouTube etc., the issue isn't just reliability--it simply means that it's probably not of encyclopedic value. Drmies (talk) 00:49, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Please can you help move the page Groupement de recherche et d'études pour la civilisation européenne to GRECE, I'm not familiar with this process. Thanks Azerty82 (talk) 01:05, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

• Sure. Done. Drmies (talk) 01:23, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Just saw the ping. I think you meant this diff. You cited one I made on the subject of the FARC. Glad I was pinged, as I will look at that case. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 19:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

On 31 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cueva de Bolomor, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Neanderthals in the Valencian Valldigna valley hauled young elephants up a 100-metre (330 ft) climb to the Bolomor Cave, for use as food? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cueva de Bolomor. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 00:03, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

But it is a vulgar slang for the word! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobThomas15 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• As a descriptive linguist and a Wikipedia editor I can't accept such value judgments. Plus you'd be hard-pressed to find some sort of qualified majority of Americans claiming "ass" is "coarse and rude" or something like that. Informal, sure. Drmies (talk) 23:52, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
• Of course User talk:Asseater666 might feel differently, but he won't be able to tell you about it. Drmies (talk) 23:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
  • You call this a "value judgement"? RobThomas15 (talk) 00:18, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
    • What do you mean with "this"? "Vulgar"? Yes. And will you please sign your comments? Edit conflicts are tirritating. Drmies (talk) 00:12, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
      • Well, I've got some news for that qualified majority of Americans: it is "coarse and rude" or something like that! RobThomas15 (talk) 00:39, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
      • And you know what else rhymes with "ass"? "Crass"! RobThomas15 (talk) 13:25, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I know that you like to eat because you keep mentioning stroopwafels and talking about your grocery shopping expeditions, at least when you are not in Mark Zuckerberg's doghouse. Anyway. About 46 years ago I heard about this great restaurant in Sacramento, but procrastinated about checking it out until three weeks ago, when my wife and I ate there with one of my sons. So, I got all wound up about expanding the stub Frank Fat's and quintupled it, I think. Maybe more. I went back again today for a late lunch/early dinner with my wife, because we are old and I wanted to take a photo of a slice of banana cream pie for Commons. So, are there any glaring negatives and can you (or any members of your fan club) make it better? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:04, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

• Books published by LuLu, a self-publishing company, should be used with great care. In this case, I suggest simply not using it at all, and going and finding the back-issue of The Californians with the in-depth article on Fat from which the name can be better sourced, and I suspect other stuff found as well. It's also in Beaton & Beaton 2001, p. 99,106.

  You missed Frank's sojourn in Nevada (Moe 2001, p. 29). You missed "speaker of the third house" and "senator fat", too. Moreover, do not forget the 2007 Gold Mountain: Whispers of the Past exhibition at 40 Acres Gallery. Or the bronze statue of the Chinese railroad worker in the California State Library, made by Edward Fraughton, donated by the Fat family, and recorded in the CSL Foundation Bulletin.

  Uncle G (talk) 11:18, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Leung, Peter C. Y. (September 1991). "Legendary Restaurateur: Frank Fat". The Californians. Vol. 9. Grizzly Bear Publishing Company. pp. 35–42. ((cite magazine)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
  • Glastris, P. (December 1987). "Frank Fat's napkin: How the trial lawyers (and the doctors) sold out to the tobacco companies". Washington Monthly. pp. 19–25. ((cite magazine)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
  • "Senator Fat". Rice Magazine. Vol. 1, no. 5. Rice Magazine Enterprises. November 1987. p. 52. ((cite magazine)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
  • Beaton, Cliff; Beaton, Mrs. (2001). "Mr. Frank Fat, a legendary restaurateur in Sacramento (1940–1997)". 從金山到千禧的風和雨: Honor the Past, Engage the Present, Build the Future. Sacramento Chinese Culture Foundation. ISBN 9780971618602. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)
  • Moe, Albert Woods (2001). "Ta-Neva-Ho". Nevada's Golden Age of Gambling. Puget Sound Books. ISBN 9780971501904. ((cite book)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)

AFD has turned up some more missing California history for you. See the Bridge over the River Parrots. Uncle G (talk) 10:25, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Here is a photo I took today of the 1859 house we discussed recently with Uncle G. It is a jewel in an otherwise dreary neighborhood. There are freeway ramps soaring overhead across the street, above a veterinary hospital. There is a company that sells pool tables close by. In the other direction, a Wal-Mart, an In-N-Out Burger, and a Seven-11. Plus freeway exits and very heavy traffic. The house is very well maintained with pretty gardens and is now the offices of a self-storage company. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:25, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you Cullen--I see you already put it in there. Good! Drmies (talk) 15:17, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • By the way, I drove by this house on the elevated freeway again the other day, and got into the right lane. I looked over the railing, and sure enough, I could see this beautiful house about 40 feet below. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:31, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
    • The straight on front elevation view on Google Streetview is quite good, too. Uncle G (talk) 10:26, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

On 3 September 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jew with a coin, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in some Polish homes, an image of a Jew holding a coin (example pictured, left) hangs to the left of the doorway, and is customarily turned upside down on the Sabbath so that good fortune may fall upon the household? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jew with a coin. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

For the norteamericanos

• South Fork, Humboldt County, California (AfD discussion)

M. Callan 425 will enjoy more missing California history that AFD has turned up. There are no nearby freeways, but there used to be a railway. Uncle G (talk) 10:25, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for my new username, Uncle G. Humboldt County is a bit far away from me, especially since it is a two lane highway about 90% of the way. It is a 4-1/2 hour drive for me to Eureka, the county seat, when traffic is good. I only get there every couple of years. My brother lived there about 35 years ago, when he was "in the business", and one of my nieces was born and raised there. Yes, there is the two-lane US highway, 101, which is the main route there, and then there is a very, very remote road that follows the Lost Coast. I drove that road once, and once was enough for me. And then there are the roads and trails that lead east from 101, into wild, semi-wilderness areas, where the pot growers control all the tiny hippie towns and hamlets. It is another world. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:33, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

I need some advise or help. The latest Signpost issue has a section on woman stuff. It contains this study "Breastfeeding, Authority, and Genre: Women's Ethos in Wikipedia and Blogs." I tried to get a copy as it is available on the web and got as far as a note that my request had been sent to the authors, but I never heard back from them (which did not at all surprise me...). I'm the leading editor on our breastfeeding article and I have been for some years, most likely during the time that they did their study, and I'd like to see our work from their eyes. I'm guessing that I will be critical of their findings, but I think I may learn a thing or two as well that may help us to better present women's issues. Any advise on how to get a copy of this study? Gandydancer (talk) 16:26, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

• Can you get this, maybe through Interlibrary Loan? Serial Number 54129, you have any ideas? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:34, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes I've seen the google books...as for Interlibrary Loan page...I don't quite know what to make of it (WTF???). Here is a good review of what the paper says (and you can see why I'm so interested). [8] and here is the paper (from ResearchGate - where they said my request/answer is in the mail...) : [9] Gandydancer (talk) 17:14, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Interesting.-- Deepfriedokra 12:06, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

• At least on Wikipedia (in most cases) you hear why you got blocked...even that time Acroterion blocked me. Drmies (talk) 19:24, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

That would be funny if not so ironic. At least you never blocked yourself.-- Deepfriedokra 19:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey! I told you never to mention that, or I'll ... harshly criticize you [10]. Besides, I have blocked myself [11]. Acroterion (talk) 22:49, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Hmm...an admin unblocking themselves and calling it "tweaking"...ArbCom is GOING TO EAT THAT UP. Drmies (talk) 22:57, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

A day after passing an RFA with all of 44 participants. What were they thinking? Acroterion (talk) 23:48, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 15:05, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

August

red admiral
... with thanks from QAI

joining in the choir! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

• That was quite a while ago. Thank you all. It wouldn't have been so much fun without all of y'all. Drmies (talk) 15:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

• Happy Happy D. I'm sure that you felt like this at times so please know that your efforts are appreciated. I hope you and your whole family have a nice Labor Day weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 17:08, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks Marnette. I hope so too. And you too. Drmies (talk) 00:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

• That video was eerily timely, considering that a few hours later, you received a DYK credit with a hook about hauling elephants up a steep slope. However, while the video may be an interesting metaphor for WikiEditing, I must say that it's an extremely poor representation of the myth. The video demonstrates that with a lot of hard work, one can achieve one's goal, while in the myth, the boulder always rolls back down as Sisyphus approaches the top, and despite an infinite number of attempts, he's never able to achieve his goal. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:02, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

• I didn't know about the DYK so that is serendipitous M. I've always known the animation was off to the original myth but I like the simplicity of the lines - with echoes of Japanese calligraphy. The fact that it is from 1974 - looong before CGI - is another reason I enjoy sharing it with people. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 01:12, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

• Yes, it's good. I just wish they called it something else. It's missing the most important thing about the Sisyphus myth, so as far as I'm concerned, that ain't Sisyphus. I guess I'm just a purist. (... said the guy who just used the word "ain't" ...) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:39, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

• I've added a photo of Hurricane Lorena to commemorate your first edit, twelve years ago, which removed "Lorena" from Marie de France.
  In other news, The Man burns tomorrow night. I'm sure you'll want to watch the live webcast. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks Mandarax! Guess I've been teaching her for a while now. As for that edit, I'd say "RVV" today of course. Now, your Burning Man--that's great, but I've been trying to follow the live feeds from Atlas Electronic. I was looking to link it for you earlier, specifically the show that Tarwa N-Tiniri played today. I can't find it, but there's a few things on their website. I think this should link properly to "Taryet", which is wonderful. Drmies (talk) 00:44, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks, I was unaware of that festival's existence. And, yes, that is wonderful. It reminds me a little bit of "Ollin Arageed", which the Grateful Dead performed with Hamza El Din at Giza. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:39, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Happy ~ Happy Joy ~ Joy ` happy edit day ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 05:13, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

• Speaking of hurricanes, our Glorious Leader says Alabama may be hit hard by Dorian. Good luck!!! (For full mocking, please note that new episodes of Colbert begin tomorrow night.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
• Update: In case you missed it, Colbert devoted a significant portion of his monologue to Trump's hurricane comments. He pointed out that "his tweets weren't overburdened with accuracy", and said "You know things are bad when the National Weather Service has to fact-check the President." MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:54, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Drmies, I belive Nuno Coimbra is a reincarnation of XavierD75. He exhibits the same behaviour patterns, insisting on modifying the same information in the Isabel dos Santos article, like other previous ones already blocked, determined to change or delete information about the date of birth, name of the mother and citizenship, to the point of removing the infobox, as here, here and here. In one of these, he was asked on his discussion page to explain his edit, but ignored it. The editor is also determined to fill the page with flattering photos of the subject, often with disregard for the page structure like here and here. At one point he included 4 or 5 photos of his own photos. He has been blocked on Commons for spamming. Editor also insists in removing references do other people by the same name, having twice removed the disambiguation hatnote here and again a day ago here. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 16:55, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Hope you've enjoyed your time off, but the hour has arrived for you to run for Arbcom again. So scrape the rust off that crowbar and buy yourself a nice new baseball bat, because the community needs an enforcer. Hope you'll run again, —tim /// Carrite (talk) 04:55, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I'd support you, but I'd also support abolish arbcom. My question this year is easy: please name one case where arbcom was beneficial for project, and say what makes you think so. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Ha, User:Carrite, I thought about it--but I really can't. It's too much: too much time, too much email, too much GMail, too much paperwork. I can barely follow the rules and regulations as we have em. I appreciate the thought, though. Are you running? You know, I could support Sandstein, for instance--they're always saying he's too authoritarian, and I disagree frequently enough with him, but on a committee he'd be one solid voice out of a dozen or more, not out of two or three like at AE. I really want Bishonen, Ponyo, zzuuzz, Rosiestep... (I'm not pinging them cause they're all just going to laugh...) Or Black Kite, Iridescent; I trust their judgment. And I'll tell you also, I just don't know how I would have voted in Eric Corbett's case. Ha, I probably would have taken the coward's way out and abstained--though my colleague just said that if you feel strongly about something you shouldn't abstain, because you're basically letting the majority run. Oh, he came in to say the best thing to do is to be fortuitously absent that day... Drmies (talk) 14:15, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I nominate Acroterion. BOOOOM Drmies (talk) 14:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Hahahahahahaha. Acroterion (talk) 23:03, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator and not the person to break the glass ceiling as the first non-administrator elected — obviously! You still need to run, your options available are "Yes" and "I'll think about it." I do appreciate that it is a shitty job, however. As you may have caught as a lurker, I said of you myself on one of the criticism message boards that you'd have been a loose cannon on the committee and I have no idea how you would have voted on the Malleus matter. Glad to hear that's on target, ha ha! Nevertheless, either you run or get three of those on your short list above to run, 'cuz it is time to clean house on the committee. best, —tim /// Carrite (talk) 15:58, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Personally I think the current committee -- or what's left of it? -- is doing a halfway reasonable job in the midst of bizarre and impossible circumstances. But then, what do I know. Drmies and I come from completely different places as to whether huge military tanks are cool, so if he successfully stood for arbcom then he would probably end up having to vote for sanctions against me sooner or later, and this would make one or both of us sad. So much sadness militates against your proposal, tim. (On topics like Neanderthal Shaping using Nuclear Fusion in Eastern Europe and Exile of Donald Trump to an Infobox in Orbit Around Neptune by Antifa, of course, Drmies and I have much more closely aligned views, but those topics tend not to come up in arbitration cases.) MPS1992 (talk) 18:42, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

• Well, I've been informed that someone thinks I'm not running for ArbCom because I'm your sock, and you've already said "no". I'm not running for ArbCom (or steward for those speculating), but glad to know the reason is because I already decided not to on this account. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:50, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

• Everyone is Drmies's sock. He runs Wikipedia single-handedly.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

• Explains why Dutch is the official language of the CU mailing list. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:01, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

• I'm only socking for the Popeyes Chicken. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:42, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

• Kansas Bear, I mentioned that today and thought about driving by--but I am not sure I could handle the rejection. Tell you what--tomorrow we have a faculty meeting, and I'm proposing a Big Thing. If it goes well, I'll think on it. Drmies (talk) 23:55, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

On 6 September 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cova Foradà, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a Neanderthal man, whose upper jaw was found in the Cova Foradà in Spain, used a toothpick because he had sore gums? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cova Foradà. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi,

I just wanted to say that the message I received earlier today on my talk from you really hurt my feelings. I really wanted to be a good member for Wikipedia. I've seen the website doing a lot of great things, but there are still so many articles left to write. I really wanted to make articles for Louis L'Amour novels and for some of the seasons of Survivor. The Australian Survivor Season 4 Wikipedia page doesn't have recaps for the episodes. There is no way to know what happened in them and nobody wrote any synopses for the episodes. The show, Survivor, is a very dynamic show. There are a lot of perspectives, story developments, and strategies of the contestants that needed to be shared. I was told that my work was not constructive and that's just very hurtful to hear. I worked very hard to watch the episodes and write the plots for them so that people would know what was going on in the episodes. It's nearly impossible to write a short synopsis for an episode of Survivor when there is so much going on. I really worked hard on those articles and it just hurts to see that my work wasn't appreciated and people keep deleting them. I just wanted to contribute something positive to the page and instead I've been told that my articles are not constructive and that I've been edit warring. That was not my intention when I joined Wikipedia. All I want to do is positive things in my life and I just feel like nobody ever gives me the opportunity to do that. Can we create separate pages for the episodes? Anything that I can do to share my work would be appreciated. But, please, don't say my work wasn't constructive. It was something that I really worked hard on and I just wanted to do something good for Wikipedia. Derekyoung418 (talk) 23:15, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@Derekyoung418: Hello, and thank you for your concerns. I have moved this thread from my talk page over to Drmies' talk page as he was the one who first reverted your edits and would better answer your questions. As Hydronium Hydroxide also mentioned to you, the reason we do not include full details about episodes in lists is laid out in full at WP:TVPLOT. As I am neutral about this matter, I will leave it to Drmies to answer the question about creating pages regarding each episode. Please consider this reply my apology to you for the initial rude message, and I hope my answers helped in some way. Jalen D. Folf (talk) 01:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Dear dr Mies, for some time now, if I write to your normal Wikipedia address, my message is blocked by the remote server, and I've heard the same thing happens to other people. I've tried to alert you to the problem at your ArbCom address, but haven't heard back. I'm far from sure you check that address, or indeed that it's still live (since you're not an arb right now, though perhaps soon again, hint hint!). So this page is currently my only way of reaching you. Have you considered getting a dedicated address for Wikipedia e-mail — for instance g-mail, which doesn't have the same tendency to block messages? Entirely up to you, of course, but Bishzilla has g-mail for Wikipedia, proudly, and she loves it. Bishonen | talk 10:40, 6 September 2019 (UTC).

Haven't the remotest--

Perhaps it is that Dr Mies is quite selective

(And not at all eclectic)

In who he elects

To select

To accept

For the receiving of emails.-- Deepfriedokra 14:05, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Nope, it is likely that something between the Wikipedia email system and our server/whatever doesn't work well. I've asked the head of ITS, who's a nice guy (and a stellar student in my Freshman Comp class, a decade ago). Drmies (talk) 14:25, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Could you either explain your cutting of a page that has been in its current state for a long while, for personal reasons? Happy to engage on the talk page rather than watch another round of edit wars. Thank you! Poetic1920 (talk) 03:11, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Ah I see now that the external links are incorrect I'm editing them thank you! Poetic1920 (talk) 03:32, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi -- per Wallyfromdilbert last night, he suggested I add them back for now. Could you revert them while we discuss rather than simply delete wholesale? You'll note with help I did a lot on the page to bring it in compliance, with the guidance of Wallyfromdilbert . Poetic1920 (talk) 15:17, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Also, are all academics being held to the standard you are holding this page? I just looked at several and they have lots more pages than this one, without selection criteria like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Clayton_(critic) Poetic1920 (talk) 15:25, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Please note that "other stuff exists" is not a very persuasive argument on Wikipedia, as other articles may be done wrong or have reached a consensus based on reasons provided in a talk page discussion there. I have copied the removed articles onto the article's talk page (Talk:Hollis Robbins#Selected articles) so that a discussion can take place there. – Wallyfromdilbert (talk)

Ha ha got it! And I agree that maybe the "selected" articles are not her best ones. May I put the other ones up without having them taken down, since they have impact? Maybe one more has public impact and I would be sure to indicate that. Thank you!Poetic1920 (talk) 17:36, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Poetic, it would need to be a secondary source that proves impact, one way or another. I, and many others (Randykitty comes to mind, and Tenebrae) uphold these standards. That many articles still have such linkfarms is unfortunate, but all three of us--I am sure--hope to live long enough to take care of them all. Drmies (talk) 17:43, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

DrmiesThank you! Do you mind if I put them up one at a time later today, with secondary sources, and you can let me know if they work? I agree on your standards, in fact. Wikipedia is better than a link farm! I've learned a lot in this process and I appreciate your guidance. Poetic1920 (talk) 17:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Poetic1920, it may be better to provide those links on the article's talk page first so that they can be discussed on the talk page, especially if this is an area where content has already been removed by other editors. (Also, you should add one more colon when you respond on talk pages, so that it indents your response one more space than the comment above.) – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 17:56, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

On 7 September 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Roberts Landing, California, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that the polluted Roberts Landing on San Francisco Bay, California, was cleaned up to create a housing development and a marsh, now home to the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Roberts Landing, California. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi. I wanted to let you know the proposal has been modified and Mandruss notified me I should do this. The proposal, similar to the old one is:

Anthony 22 is limited to making 1 edit per article per 24 hours in the main space. Self-reverts and edits that have been self-reverted do not count toward this limit. Talk page discussions do not count toward this limit.

I don't expect you to change your mind - this is just a notification. Thanks.

Regards,

---Steve Quinn (talk) 22:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

• Well, another modification has occurred. Rather than only a modified proposal there is now a proposal 3A and a proposal 3B. I still don't expect you to change your mind - this is just a notification. Thanks.--Steve Quinn (talk) 23:54, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
• Sorry, that is "original" proposal and "alternate" proposal. (Have I been editing long on Wikipedia? Or is this my first time :>). ---Steve Quinn (talk) 23:57, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:08, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Regarding your revert on the article, do you think the list criteria ("The following people are currently or have been affiliated with ADF") should also be changed? The RSs (and her Wikipedia page) say Lisa Biron was associated with the group, which would seem to fit the list description. Also, I think additional names may need to be removed, especially if it is no longer just "affiliated with" (e.g., Michael J. Juneau or Alan Seabaugh, whose Wikipedia articles do not mention the organization). Thanks for any advice. – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 22:30, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

• Ha, I should have read that more carefully. That should be changed: none of the sources I looked at offered much in the way of "affiliation"--if you take it broadly, I would be affiliated with Scientology because I once edited a book for someone who was involved with Narconon. That list should have people who were on the board, on the payroll, etc., with a direct and important and verifiable connection. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 23:23, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Okay, that makes sense. I am still learning how to deal with lists, as the relevant policies deal mostly with style over content guidelines. What could the list criteria be changed to? Would "employed or on the board of ADF or Blackstone" work? – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 23:31, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Kuru started something on the talk page; that's the place to try and hammer out a consensus. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:08, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hey Drmies! This was copied in large part from this. Noticing you reverted the edit, could you revision delete it as well? Best regards, Vermont (talk) 01:51, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks! Drmies (talk) 01:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

I've just spotted you reverted a BLP issue on my talk page. Just wondering if you can say it was at me or about a page I have edited in the past. If you can't say, I understand. Red Jay (talk) 19:29, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

• No, it really had nothing to do with you. Thanks, 21:07, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

im not sure what revert I did that was wrong. An interesting comparison perhaps between [12] and [13] at Wordpress.com. Doug Weller talk 19:28, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

• The IP was correct with this edit. I don't think you ever reinstated that edit, but others did. BTW I just dropped a week-long block on the other IP, whose edits are indeed remarkably similar, for a smear. Drmies (talk) 00:11, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Have you folks never heard of WP:PINGs or WP:TALKBACK? Or does Doug simply want to be with the popular kids? Softlavender (talk) 21:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Erm. Doug *is* the popular kid here, the rest of us are just his groupies.  :-) Risker (talk) 00:49, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

[14] I don't know what more could have been said, short of "this is about his sister, not him, and doesn't belong in an article about him". I thought we'd been clear enough. I'm worried that we have several editors who believe that everything ever said on a news report belongs on Wikipedia, and if it's not important enough for an article of its own, they'll find another article to shoehorn it in. I suppose, though, that the real tragedy is that the murder is completely not notable, and if not for the salacious gossipy bit, wouldn't have even rated more than a paragraph in the local paper. Risker (talk) 00:47, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

• It just boggles the mind. You get reverted, you get warned by two administrators at least one of whom is Methusalem's age, and you go do it again. I wonder if they'll ever challenge this. Thanks Risker, Drmies (talk) 00:58, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

On 9 September 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Petro Kilekwa, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Petro Kilekwa from Zambia was enslaved because his mother could not pay the ransom – eight yards (7.3 m) of calico cloth? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Petro Kilekwa. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 01:36, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

i was just trying to be helpful, other people have their bio pages with info on their siblings, and since it was recent big news that his sister's crime showed up i added to the wiki page. so no need for you to be powertripping. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YipB (talk • contribs) 01:18, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

• Sign your messages, YipB. Risker, this person added the same inappropriate information as the editor I just blocked. Drmies (talk) 01:20, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Drmies. I've left him a pretty detailed message about the serious nature of the BLP violation on his talk page. Risker (talk) 01:50, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Just noting here...both of the accounts involved in this stuff have very low edit counts. While the other (now-blocked) account had received a lot of warnings specific to BLP issues, YipB (with fewer than 200 edits) didn't seem to have crossed the same threshold. Thus, I've left a pretty detailed explanation on his talk page about why adding this sort of stuff is a problem. I'm doing that out of the goodness of my old heart, and hoping that it has a net positive effect, but I'm not quite sure if I'd be doing the same thing for an account with 500+ edits. Speaking of which, given that the article in question is a BLP and thus covered under discretionary sanctions, it might be worth considering whether extended confirmed protection should be applied; it has been in the past, for more or less similar reasons (i.e., BLP violations by autoconfirmed accounts). Risker (talk) 02:23, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Thank you Risker. I'm not a big fan of this confirmed protection, but if this kind of stuff (this TMZ editing) continues, something will need to be done. Drmies (talk) 13:53, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

User talk:Doug Weller#Wikilawyering is Bad Editing. Hm, looking at his talk page he's had a thing about the need for sources for years. :-) Doug Weller talk 17:02, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello! Your submission of Ernst Dammann at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 20:28, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks for the reminder! Drmies (talk) 20:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

The edit war at AfriForum continues. Bishonen | talk 18:37, 10 September 2019 (UTC).

• Dos Papagaios River (AfD discussion)
• Ponte dos Papagaios [pt]
• "PONTE DO RIO DOS PAPAGAIOS" (in Portuguese). SECRETARIA DA CULTURA PATRIMÔNIO CULTURAL. ((cite web)): Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Lurkers bored of all of the K-Pop and other Northern stuff might enjoy some Brazilian history. Uncle G (talk) 08:55, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

For the norteamericanos

• South Fork, Humboldt County, California (AfD discussion)

M. Callan 425 will enjoy more missing California history that AFD has turned up. There are no nearby freeways, but there used to be a railway. Uncle G (talk) 10:25, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you for my new username, Uncle G. Humboldt County is a bit far away from me, especially since it is a two lane highway about 90% of the way. It is a 4-1/2 hour drive for me to Eureka, the county seat, when traffic is good. I only get there every couple of years. My brother lived there about 35 years ago, when he was "in the business", and one of my nieces was born and raised there. Yes, there is the two-lane US highway, 101, which is the main route there, and then there is a very, very remote road that follows the Lost Coast. I drove that road once, and once was enough for me. And then there are the roads and trails that lead east from 101, into wild, semi-wilderness areas, where the pot growers control all the tiny hippie towns and hamlets. It is another world. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:35, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I'd say take the railway instead, but the AFD discussion is so far all about things that do not exist any more. I notice that you haven't re-visited that Fat's thing. Uncle G (talk) 23:59, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Drmies, I know this [[15]] is content you support but doesn't Consensus say in the case of a dispute the material stays out until there is a new consensus? I think there is a consensus for exclusion but even if I'm wrong, is there a consensus for inclusion? Aren't we at best/worst just at no consensus? Springee (talk) 16:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

• Maybe, but there is no BLP exemption and the content is well verified--and I don't see any clear consensus. I looked over Azerty82's edit, and it is a good set of edits. I just left a note on the talk page providing even more sourcing for why this particular speech was deemed, by the Dutch and Belgian press for instance, to be of great importance. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

• But NOCON doesn't address just BLP. It says In discussions of proposals to add, modify or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit.. If we both agree there is no consensus for inclusion (you saying no consensus either way and me saying consensus against) then we should default to removal until consensus is achieved. BTW, I am here because I remembered something that you said. "Finally I'll break a lance for Springee, an editor with whom I frequently disagree (because foolishly they disagree with me)..." I cut it off there because the rest was effusive complements :D [[16]] I'm only half kidding, I'm here because your comment really reinforced the idea that we need to respect others and follow the rules even when we don't like the outcomes. I think the "rules" are clear in this case, new material, no consensus for inclusion, remove until a new consensus is reached. Part of my frustration has been BMK clearly ignoring such rules with claims like "we need consensus to remove". Springee (talk) 16:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

• I know it doesn't address the BLP--that's not my point. There is no consensus to exclude, it is well-verified, it is argued to be relevant--so whether it should stay or go is, to some extent, a flip of the coin. However, you will have noted, I think, that I did not support (by commenting or edit-warring) BMK's earlier version, since I thought that was going too far. This revised text, however, is significantly different, and does not, for instance, say the pep talk has "some of the primary characteristics of right-wing populism", a phrase that can be construed as synth/OR. Plus, after having read the German, French, Belgian, and Dutch coverage of the speech, I think some editors just don't realize the importance of Bannon's speech to European r-w populism. It's huge: it is the first time, as far as I know, that an American ideologue comes to Europe to school a party congress on how to do their thing, and the European press covered it so much because it is such a unique thing--an American who doesn't come to bring democracy or rock and roll, but something entirely different. And it was a turning point for the FN as well. Then, throw in Bannon's The Movement, which he planned to set up in Brussels (mentioned in one or two of the articles I linked), and you have something really important. Fighting over excluding that one short section which is so incredibly well supported seems silly to me. Take care, Drmies (talk) 16:54, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

• That the speech was significant makes discussion of the speech due, not the inclusion of a specific quote. Also, again, policy is no consensus => return to previous stable text. It isn't add new material => no consensus => retain because no consensus to remove. I'm going to try to butter you up again... come on, you are an admin, you know you are supposed to set an example of how to strictly follow policy. ;) Springee (talk) 18:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

• If you look at a dozen different news articles from reputable sources in three or four different languages, and all of them or almost all of them include that particular quote, then that particular quote is worthy of inclusion. Drmies (talk) 19:49, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

• Baxter Leach (AfD discussion)

If M. Callan 425 can take the non-existent train to South Fork without stopping off to eat along the way, then you can nip over to Tennessee during your lunch hour to look for sources about a very recently dead person. No cheating and using all of that JSTORerry and stuff, now. Uncle G (talk) 08:20, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

• Hmm I'd love to but we got a new puppy. (Its name is Porter.) Drmies (talk) 14:05, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

• Shouldn't that be "Their name is Porter"? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:24, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

• I will steer clear of the gendering or possibly misgendering of the animal, but, once there are enough independent reliable sources that discuss it in detail, the best article title will probably be Porter (dog). MPS1992 (talk) 17:34, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

• He has a little penis, which he uses to pee on the rug. He's really kind of cute, but cocker spaniels have a tendency to look kind of dumb. My standards for dogs are high, because Sadie. Drmies (talk) 19:50, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Good Day Drmies, regarding David Dobrik's page i apologize if i end up adding too many tables in his page, i am still new to editing the wiki and i appreciate the help that you did, and the reason i added those tables is based on me just copying existing tables from various person's page like how in liza koshy or gabbie hanna's page they have a television table where it was listed that they either co-hosted a show, a contestant on another show or have their guest appearances listed too, so i thought since david co-hosted a show, became a judge and a guest judge that its ok to add them too. I guess i thought the wiki has a uniformed format that every page should be ok to have the same thing on their pages and not just nitpick which page deserves to have certain infos while the other doesnt even if they have the similar accomplishments.

In the future is it ok to use your edits to david dobrik's page as a basis me to also help clean up other existing pages with the same content? i already deleted the podcast table in jason nash and logan paul's page for the sake of uniformity since it only listed them guesting or hosting their own podcast or youtube channel and so on similar to david's page and when im free i can also help look around various pages and do the same things. Thank you for your time. Princeton294 (talk) 02:20, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

• Princeton294, thanks for the note. The key is always WP:RS. Content needs to be sourced with reliable, independent, secondary sources--not just to verify accuracy, but also to indicate that something is worth remarking on. For instance, that someone is vegan, or Jewish, or a Marxist, or appeared in a TV commercial or a podcast isn't of encyclopedic interest until secondary sources make it so, by discussing it. A passing mention doesn't help much either. That is, an "accomplishment" isn't an accomplishment until secondary sources make it so. Now not all editors agree on exactly how this should be done--for instance, with musicians we typically list every album if we can prove that it was recorded and released. We should not, in my opinion, list every mixtape, or every time they played on someone else's album or tour, unless secondary sources comment on it, but others feel differently. But in this case, that seemed uncontroversial to me--and you noted, I'm sure, how many YouTube-related articles list dozens and dozens of YouTube links--that's not a healthy situation. In the end, it's also more rewarding to look for and use secondary sources, because they allow you to write stuff about stuff--not just summarizing it and saying it existed. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:19, 12 September 2019 (UTC)