Writ Keeper, a separate section for your next masterpiece. I merged the two authors: odd, someone placed a merge tag on them in December 2012 but didn't start a merge discussion. I suppose they could have just grabbed the bull by the horns... Anyway, I ran into something fun: in a 1919 article from JEGP, "In the Cathreim Thoirdhealbhaigh, Triumphs of Torlough, written about 1350 by Seean MacCraith, hereditary historion of the O'Briens..." So you need to figure out, O'Brien or Mac Craith. Or both? I moved him to John Macrory Magrath, BTW, since that's the name with more hits in Google Books. If you or anyone disagrees we can have a proper merge discussion. Toodles, Drmies (talk) 22:29, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't disagree, as I believe the one is just the Anglicized version of the other ("MAGRATH, JOHN MACRORY, in Irish Eoghan MacRuadhri MacCraith,..."; I don't know how Sean enters into it, but maybe Sean became John just through a phonetic false friend); I felt that the other name sounded more "authentic" (whatever that's worth), but you're right in that we should generally go by what the sources report, and that's probably as good a measure as any. The clan name is a more interesting question; I've already seen "Dal Cais" in addition to "MacCraith", so who can tell. Another issue is that one source I'm using (the one that discusses the mention of banshees in most depth) says that it was written around 1350, when most other sources seem to be citing closer to 1450, though I'm willing to chalk that up to a simple typographical error (or maybe the whole "14th century is 1300s" thing) and just go with 1450 anyway, since it seems to be more attested. As I say, there's a long way to go on this yet. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:14, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a second, I think you're right; I think I misread the sources. I think "O'Brien" is the Anglicized version of "Uí Bhriain", which makes a lot of sense; I think the Mac Craiths were a separate family that was allied (or something) with the O'Briens, and it was for the O'Briens that SeanJohn (no, not seanjohn, the first one) was an official historian. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:22, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Doc, I'm feeling better about this and am thinking about moving it to mainspace, once I resolve the reference issue that Bish raised on the talk page. Can you take another look, particularly at the reference scheme? I'm using two different works by the same author (one for the historical aspects, and one for the mythological aspects), and I'm not sure how this referencing scheme is supposed to handle that. (Also, Uncle's input would be most welcome, too, if he's still around; it was his idea, after all.) Also, if you have any more synonyms for "depicted/described/covered" or an alternative sentence structure that would obviate the need for them, your help would be very welcome in the "Historical material" subsection. I pretty much ran out. Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know...

... that Cathreim Thoirdhealbhaigh, noted for its historical accuracy, is also known for its vivid description of banshees?

Looks like I decided to go for a DYK after all. Now for the quid pro quo... Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Warrington has given you a kitten/abandoned kitty! Kittens promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Your lion must be fed three times a day and will be your faithful companion forever!

• Odd to find a starving kitty in Limburg, which I always thought of as a land of plenty. Drmies (talk) 13:59, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Isn't it? Imaginary place of extreme luxury should provide comforts and pleasures for everyone. Hard fate...

Have you ever heard the Carmina Burana (Orff), story of the land of Cockaigne. In CB 222 the abbas Cucaniensis, or Abbot of Cockaigne, is said to have presided over a group of dice players *

• Holy moly Warrington, that's music with big balls. Drmies (talk) 18:24, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Yessssssss! ...Carmina Burana (Orff) is it. You should try to find the whole thing somewhere, Carmina Burana is een niet-middeleeuwse compositie in geheel eigen stijl.Orff selecteerde in 1935 een aantal liederen uit de middeleeuwse Carmina Burana en schreef er zijn eigen muziek bij. Naast de muziek schreef hij ook een lichtprogramma. De ondertitel was dan ook: Profane liederen gezongen door solisten en koor, begeleid door instrumenten en magische beelden.

Orff schreef het stuk origineel voor solisten, koor, twee vleugels en slagwerk. Later herschreef hij de instrumentatie van Carmina Burana naar één voor een geheel symfonieorkest. Op 8 juni 1937 was de wereldpremière in de opera van Frankfurt. Warrington10 May 2013

Dude lololol you just undid my fix to it, read what I put on the talk page, and check the difference between your version and my undo. He keeps replacing the one family member that has 3 references showing her name as "Colton" and replacing it with 1 that states her name as both "Colton" and "Coliton" and adding the Coliton version with only one reference. The person either doesn't understand or is purposelly vandalising the article, but I can't tell. I am sorry I added the protection template, that was for me to try to get them to stop while my request for page protection was in process on the requests for article protection page. I didn't know what else to do. Please thoroughly read the Kennedy family talk page and view the difference I mentioned and check the difference in my undo of your undoing of me fixing it. Thank you. 71.114.165.160 (talk) 14:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Son of a gun, my request for page protection was added before I could undo your removing of the fix, please go review it and fix it with the properly cited content, thank you. 71.114.165.160 (talk) 14:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Sorry, but I'm an administrator and I know nothing about content. I do know WP:VANDAL, and I have seen no evidence that what you were reverting was vandalism. You started a thread on the talk page; great. You may file an edit request there, after some input from other editors maybe. Drmies (talk) 15:24, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok thanks for your input, and thanks for informing me of Wikipedia's user structure, I was under the impression regarding administrators. Also to mention I did not realize that book stated wikipedia, but even if you check this talk page up above she was in the original list when the article was created as well, and all other references of her point to "Claire Colton" and that tells me "Claire Coliton" is a typo. As you can see on google Claire Coliton and Burke/Kennedy do not yield google results where as Claire Colton and Burke/Kennedy in fact yield many. Thanks for your input. 71.114.165.160 (talk) 15:53, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm kidding: I know a bit about content, but not regarding this article. Good luck with it; I've just left one more note on the article talk page. Drmies (talk) 16:56, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've requested a protection and the page clearly needs it --Loginnigol (talk) 14:48, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I hate to say it but DUH, it wasn't protected yet when you placed the template on it. That's not your call to make, to pre-emptively tag a page. It is protected now and I blocked the two most recent trolls. Drmies (talk) 14:58, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Right, but you added the protected icon when the article was not actually protected yet. Cart-before-horse kinda thing (✉→BWilkins←✎) 14:58, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, Loginnigol, more comments like this could lead to a block for WP:NPA (✉→BWilkins←✎) 15:00, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Lamedes Domugnez Lolno? Hafspajen (talk) 15:06, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'd hate to sink into NPA territory myself, but Loginnigol has a point: look at this thread; you'll find the haha funny name used all over that forum. Drmies (talk) 15:10, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hafspajen :):)(talk) 15:57, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

6 months? Isn't one or two month protection sufficient (at first at least)? Or is 6m some sort of standard minimum? --Loginnigol (talk) 15:37, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, there is no minimum. That thread on that website went back a couple of years. If it's too long, you can ask for unprotection at the same place where you asked for protection. Drmies (talk) 16:55, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh OK I get it. Thanks for the heads up. Forgot about Unprotection. I guess the timeframe is just indication of when the whole thing expires automatically or whatever other way --Loginnigol (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good to remember... Now this thing will change every day, I suppose. Warrington (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes it did. I liked yesterday's better. If you're in a hole, stop digging--that's valid advice for a lot of people I run into. Natti natti Warrington! Drmies (talk) 02:50, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of course, most people forget the second part of that aphorism: once you've stopped digging, remember that you're still in a hole. MastCell ^Talk 05:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • True dat, MastCell. Today's quote must have landed on the wrong page; surely this C and C+ stuff is for Writ Keeper. I only do A. Drmies (talk) 14:47, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like how you closed that discussion once I presented a blatantly racist material the editor had engaged in, using the terms 'nigger' and 'kike' because someone edited homosexual into a 'gay' article referring to same sex people. Looks like you saw that it was blatantly racist and decided to end the discussion. May I ask why you chose to close the discussion after I presented his grossly racist comment?! It was an abuse of power! First of all, the user was completely and totally disrespectful to begin with and not only that when I found evidence of blatant racism, you took it upon yourself to immediately close the discussion. And in doing so you added these little snippy comments, on top of seeing examples of racist remarks. AmericanDad86 (talk) 02:43, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not racisim, I was making a point. You clearly have issues with crying to admins everytime you don't get your way. Get a grip on reality. Note to Drmies, this is the only post I will make here. CTF83! 02:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• That's a pretty nice personal attack you're making: you're saying I closed a discussion because you brought a charge of racism--so I must be a racist? I explained why I closed the discussion, and that's all there is to it. To spell it out more plainly: I closed the discussion because you have a tendency to open your mouth way too much and let stuff come out that gets you blocked, that's why. Your opponent isn't the most polite of editors, but you are likely to keep digging and accusing until you get blocked. Look up WP:BOOMERANG. That's why I closed it, and you're welcome. CTF--good, and thanks, cause I don't want to be the ER where the bar fight continues. Drmies (talk) 02:49, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and for the record, I was editing from my phone, so cut me some slack. I can't help it Wikipedia doesn't make mobile editing easier....ok, that was the last one, as you pointed out how the user is also. CTF83! 02:51, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that's it: I'm blocking you for breaking a promise even if by mobile. Mobile editing is a bitch, and I hope I didn't offend anyone by saying that. Drmies (talk) 02:52, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was a good close. LadyofShalott 03:01, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I really need to "get out" more. I miss all the other drama while I'm busy blocking (illegitimate) socks and reverting personal attacks at ANI. Did you know that "Kike" is a Spanish nickname for Enrique? Of course, it should probably have an accent, but I think "diacritical" is more offensive on Wikipedia than "nigger".--Bbb23 (talk) 01:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In all the excitement, I kind of forgot the obvious: no. Usually not. And I didn't like CTF's "example" of rhetoric very much. Drmies (talk) 02:09, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you're referring to him equating "homosexual" to "kike" and "nigger", that's crap, it's not even close to being equivalent.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:38, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To American Dad: If you realized that this administrator was a racist or an Islamophobe because of his affinity for Geert Wilders, what would you do about it? It is wikipedia, deal with it. (Freemarket110 (talk) 00:47, 13 May 2013 (UTC))[reply]

• Sounds like Freemarket is saying I'm a racist or Islamophobe because I have an affinity for Geert Wilders. If there were a scale for stupidity, this remark would register "ultimate". Freemarket, you must be one of the trolls that occasionally sail in from that other experiment, the Dutch wiki. Drmies (talk) 02:09, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was wondering who's playing in his sock drawer. (Hey, I just realized I'm in your edit notice.) LadyofShalott 02:20, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yeah, I got demoted and you got my old seat. Got caught sleeping on the job one too many times. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 02:23, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Naps are good, Dennis. Seriously, Geert Wilders. Good thing there's a BLP or I'd never shut up. Still, that he has to live under constant protection is completely wrong also, of course. If Freemarket could get his head out of his ass he could ask me who the first politician was I fell in love with, and I'd say Andrée van Es. Since then, I've swung left big time. Drmies (talk) 02:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • You're farther left than the Pacifist Socialist Party and GreenLeft? What are you, communist? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • There's not a lot of left left in GreenLeft, Ed. Drmies (talk) 04:17, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
            • Damn hippies... Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 01:37, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how your comment of possible blocking due to edits, nearly a year later, has any merit. Sure, you penned a lot of the article on Keeley Electronics, but you really don't have a clue about the inner workings of that company. How that article doesn't violate the COI is beyond me. Aren't all Wikipedia articles allowed to expose fault? Especially when it is properly cited. It's ok to remove the negative? Again, I thought Wikipedia was democratic. Guess not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VoltairesInkwell (talk • contribs) 04:10, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Democracy has nothing to do with this, "bro". I don't know why you thought that Wikipedia was a democracy, but it's not. If you think the article violates the COI, you're welcome to post a note at WP:COIN. I don't have a COI, since I can't afford their effects and I am not, nor have I ever been, nor do I intend to ever be, on their payroll. You, that's a different story: you seem to have inside personal information, and you used it to try and tarnish someone's reputation. I personally don't give a flying fuck for Robert Keeley's married life or supposed recreational activities, and it has no place in the article. The inner workings of the company are utterly irrelevant. What is relevant, however, is that you violated WP:BLP in a major way and you'll be blocked if you do that again. Your quick response indicates that you have an interest of some kind in this, so I'm sure my warning won't fall on deaf ears. Drmies (talk) 04:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:55, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Damn.[1] Am I really such a bad editor like this guy thinks? Was working on it 10 May 2013‎ 16:01,to about 10 May 2013‎ 20:56,and next day, 11 May 2013‎, all gone. Warrington (talk) 17:23, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't think Johnbod thinks you're a bad editor. I've worked with him, in fact I've met him in the flesh (he has about as much flesh as I do), and found him to be a good editor to work with and learn from. He knows his art, Warrington. Work with him, if you can, and you'll learn a thing or two. Drmies (talk) 21:13, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Well, this time he should be the one learning from me, unfortunately, I know my art to, since I have a degree in Art History and Michelangelos privat life in the article is just missleading. He thinks that I have poor English, and that is possible, and have no idea what I am talking about, which is not true. At least what he said on the talk page. But I do know about Michelangelo, believe me. Even if my English is crap. Warrington (talk) 21:46, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nice chicken. Drmies (talk) 17:08, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, the thing is to find a medium, some ground for agreement. If you know this stuff, and can cite it, then your opponent can't fault you on the basis of content, and then the rest is editing. I don't know if I'm of much use as a go-between, but I'll drop him a line if you like. Also, basset hounds are highly overrated, and they smell bad. Drmies (talk) 18:47, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I agree, basset hounds are highly overrated, and they smell bad too. Yes please, do that, thanks. Warrington (talk) 17:23, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, it didn't help much. We cannot communicate, he reverted a lot of stuff that usually is not reverted by others and then he goes on editing. He thinks my English is poor, my references not good enough, and he doesn’t seems to want to discuss things either. But he is not the only one who wnows about Art History or Renaissance. Maybe I shall start taking the next four years off wikipedia. Warrington (talk) 21:46, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, don't do that. Drmies (talk) 04:12, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • O, well I was ... it was a bit close yesterday. This was not only about references, but about a lot of Michelangelo’s works, I collected them everywhere all over the Wikipedia and commons to cover up the ones not shown here in the article, the ones you have here above. Also reverted. Since last night I was spending my time adding this collection of his works in every language on Wikipedia, and not one got rid of it, only the English article. Not even you...:)Warrington (talk) 17:23, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• 
  Bacchus, Michelangelo
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  1534, Palazzo Vecchio, Florence
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  Angel by Michelangelo
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  Madonna Belgium
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  Leda
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  Pietà Rondanini, 1564, Milano
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  Louvre
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  Rebellious Slave
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  Michelangelo Pieta
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  Ganymede, copy of original 1532, Windsor Castle
• 
  Madonna

As I said on the talk, I don't object to a gallery, but it should have better captions - most of those works have their own articles, and a more logical layout. Not "Madonna Belgium" but as a minimum "Madonna of Bruges, 1501-04" and ideally more, but not just (or at all) the museum name. This is a high visibility article, & though it certainly needs improving, as I keep saying, it has to be done with quality edits. Johnbod (talk) 09:57, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• This stuff above is the works I added to the other Wikis in different languages. Since I don't know how to spell Madonna of Bruges in Dutch, Sicilian and Catalan and so on, it is just a minimum of text and they could later fix it in later their own language. And so they did too, with some goodwill…. Warrington (talk) 11:32, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Madonna met kind (Michelangelo)--there's an article, which I got to via Madonna of Bruges. Drmies (talk) 16:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for explaining your thinking on the Jesus Seminar Talk Page. I get your point on the material, but I'm not sure deleting all of it is the best solution. If you get a chance, take a look at my suggestion on the talk page. With a little work, we should be able to gradually prune it down to a place where it makes sense. EastTN (talk) 19:16, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FYI - I've taken another shot at reworking the article. EastTN (talk) 21:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello sir. I have patrolled some articles related to The Biggest Loser, and some are again being vandalized by some IPs (again from Israel) from the past week:

• The Biggest Loser Asia
• The Biggest Winner
• The Biggest Loser Pinoy Edition

Can we do something about this? Like blocking those IPs, but allowing registered users from those IPs to edit? Or Indefinitely, protect them?--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 10:35, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Si se puede, but the difficulty is of course that we have hundreds of these articles. (That we have them in the first place is in my opinion boloney, but OK.) One thing we can do is range blocks, but I don't do those. Maybe a friendly talk page stalker can take care of this (weren't you keeping a record somewhere of IPs?) or you could post at note at WP:ANI. That IP is blocked already, I see; I'll go and semi-protect the articles they messed with. Thanks for the message, Drmies (talk) 14:38, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Biggest loser indeed. Drmies (talk) 14:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Silly goose, that article is a ruse, the real article you should be editing is at User:Dennis Brown/Articles/Sunbeam Tiger. Malleus is writing it, then I'm going to tie up everyone while he copy/pastes it over the decoy article currently in main space. All your article are belong to us. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 17:35, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Well, fuck you very much! I was wondering about the lousy referencing and terrible writing already. In fact, I was surprised not to find a bunch of flag icons in the infobox. :) Oh, don't copy/paste, ugly duckling: merge. DYK that decoy has a Dutch etymology? Drmies (talk) 17:38, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I fixed your infobox on Series I, also USD $3499 is rather redundant (US Dollars 3499 dollars), also should there be a comma in the 3499? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 17:42, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I hope that USD wasn't wikilinked. Hey K, how you doing? DYK that yesterday Rosie was reading a book to Liam? (She can't read yet, which is a good thing, since the book she picked was Go the Fuck to Sleep.) Drmies (talk) 17:47, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, USD wasn't Wikilinked. Good on Rosie for taking up the reading, I like her taste in books. Ian has taken to sending me iMessages, in particular Z is for Moose or (one of his favourite books) or D is for moose (you get the idea). I just started Windfall tax (Mongolia) today, that could have a big sexy hook with ...that at 68%, Mongolia's windfall tax was the highest in the world? Article just needs some expansion. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 17:52, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Kelapstick, I'm mainly doing the research portion and Malleus is focusing on the prose, so of course it should have more commas. Maybe one between every word, you know, to Americanise it. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 18:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

          And I'm doing my best to keep 'em out. I accept that I may have to bend a little on your Tri-Five article, but one has to draw the line somewhere. The modern trend is not to use commas to delineate any amount less than 10,000, so 3499 was quite deliberate. I imagine that in the run up to New Years Eve 9999 there will be lots of media speculation about whether the new year should be called 10000 or 10,000. Or maybe we'll be using star dates by then. Malleus Fatuorum 20:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

          Really? Where is this modern trend? Even assuming you're right (probably a safe assumption, but I still want a source), I hate modern trends. I'm still unhappy with the pronunciation change to the word "harass".--Bbb23 (talk) 01:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• That you believe we won't have destroyed ourselves within the next 8,000 8000 years just shows how truly optimistic you are. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 22:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! OH, DAMN YOU! GODDAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!  davidiad { t } 23:26, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I wonder how many youngsters have no idea how funny that is. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 01:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Nothing pertaining to Charlton Heston is funny, Dennis. Malleus, I'll ping you on that New Years Eve to tell you how it goes. In the meantime, cheers. And I accept your comma rule for numbers, no questions asked. Drmies (talk) 03:54, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  Even our MoS agrees with me for once: "In general, use a comma to delimit numbers with five or more digits to the left of the decimal point.". So there doubters. Malleus Fatuorum 12:44, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't know: I always found it amusing that he went shirtless on screen so often during the seventies. Not an impressive physique. Do your students' parents know that you've come to take their guns? The campus here was shutdown all weekend so that the dean and her cronies could conduct their annual squirrel hunt. It sounded like someone was making popcorn all Saturday morning.  davidiad { t } 12:38, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Off topic but my sandwich toaster is a smashing success. This thing has changed my life. Having more sloppy joes in it tonight. Almost makes the Gobi bearable. Also I have been playing around with the panoramic function of the iPhone, doesn't take great pictures but good in a pinch (see above). Had some nice ones of the intracoastal waterway from my Florida trip. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 12:45, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's lovely landscaping, K. Davidiad, this is the kind of idiocy we're up against, section "Subversive college professors":

      For those of you continuing on to college, remember that you will meet many great professors. Yet there are others, too many, who see their mission as separating you from your beliefs and values. They will work to make you mirror-images of themselves. Keep in mind that most of these people have actually accomplished little in their lives, and they live in a world devoid of reality.

      Suck on that, you liberal college-educated motherfucker. You know how you recognize military people of some rank in my town? They retire at forty-five, drive BMWs on the tax payer's dime, and their wives never had to work. Drmies (talk) 14:09, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • My experiences are a bit different. Dad retired from the USAF and went to work in the oil fields 60-80 hours a week while in his 40s, working on rigs, then running them, then doing geology before retiring in his mid-70s as a pumper, working 7 days a week until he just couldn't do the work anymore. He drives an '98 Chevy truck, but then again he was enlisted and not an officer. Lots of ex-military people in my family and circle of friends, some retired, some just did a single tour like myself. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 14:59, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I finally found an article on a somewhat real topic structured completely like a reality TV show article: Petraeus scandal. The only things missing are a pyramid and a color-coded scheme with a timeline of which key player did what when. Drmies (talk) 19:23, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Panem_et_circenses and Kayfabe. Sometimes you have to pretend the show is reality, and sometimes reality is the show. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drmies. Just because the text is the same does not mean that WE copied from THEM! I don't know where you are getting your information from, but I translated that section of text directly from the Dutch Wikipedia page in early 2008. I remember it distinctly. You can check the version history of the article as well. I don't know how long thebeersession.com has been around, but there is nothing in the Wayback Machine from before 2010. I appreciate your effort and strongly worded warning but in this case it does not apply. However, the text isn't encyclopedic or sourced, so perhaps it shouldn't stay anyway. Please check twice before making accusations of plagiarism. This is very serious. --Daveblack (talk) 22:22, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Well, the template on the talk page is a generic one; the wording isn't mine though I don't disagree with it. It is hard to figure out, sometimes, which came first, and you left one edit summary saying something came from the Dutch wiki, but you didn't do that for the chunk of text that you added and that I removed. As the Dutch say, ik kan niet ruiken dat dat ook van de Nederlandse wiki kwam. So my apologies if you feel offended, but it seemed like a copy and paste job. Drmies (talk) 02:51, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• By the way, it is an amazing beer, truly amazing. I can't find all the taste notes you did, but boy is it good. Even thinking about it makes me thirsty, and all I have here is Duvel and Delirium Tremens. I'll have one of the latter to celebrate this glorious day. Drmies (talk) 03:36, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dr, it's 99 away from home--had an Allagash ale tonight, which pretty much gives up my whereabouts. I've been backing and forthing with Carwiles2, an account who has a bit of a history for promotional edits, and some sourcing and copyright problems for good measure. They're experienced enough to know better, and I've been abrupt with them--to my eye this is nearly a professional press release scribe. I'm requesting oversight from you and your page stalkers as to whether I'm being unreasonable, or reading this correctly. Thanks and very best, 71.241.206.249 (talk) 00:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Hmm, interesting. Are the icebergs still in the harbor up there? Sounds lovely. I'm having a DT; see section above. Drmies (talk) 03:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• No bergs, but cool at night. Lobster rolls today, and a visit to a museum to view a painting I'll be writing about. Otherwise quiet, walking the dogs and watching Ms. 99 heal from surgery. Very best, 71.241.206.249 (talk) 00:16, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I almost forgot: all went well? I meant to ask you earlier; my apologies. Berg. Berg. (That's a joke of sorts, and a rather raunchy one, but only for those who've read Cosmos, which is one of the great masterpieces of the 20th century that no one ever reads.) You do like your lobster rolls, don't you. I'm toasting you with a Duvel: cheers. Drmies (talk) 05:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• All's well, but for minor complications. A routine operation, but one which requires several months of recovery, and discomfort. So I've been nurse, shopper and driver, new roles for this self-absorbed IP. It's pre-season and the lobster shacks are closed, but there's a general store that makes the best rolls in the area, and that'll be lunch today. Too cold to go out painting this morning.... 71.241.206.249 (talk) 12:12, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Drmies. I want to draw Your attention to this.
[2] This comment by that user sounds rude a little. The edit (the revert) of that user was not constructive. I wrote proper (territorial) description, while that user has removed that. A simple comparison with the map in the article [3] proves that he was wrong. Kubura (talk) 02:34, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Sorry, but I don't see how that map proves your point. Since there are no boundaries clearly indicating Serbia, Croatia, etc (the lines indicated occupied territory, from what I can tell), and since there is no "Smyrna" mentioned in it, for instance, it doesn't help your argument. But even if it did, I have to agree that your specification does not make it much more clear. Besides, what does "Serbia (Eastern Smyrna)" mean? That portion of Serbia also called Eastern Smyrna? Because Eastern Smyrna is in parentheses, it's parenthetic, that is, not essential--so in essence you're saying that Serbia was part of the Croatian puppet state. Alf was direct, but not unnecessarily rude, in my opinion. Your version of right after I protected was certainly grammatically challenged, and Peacemaker's improvement a real improvement. Now, if your and Peacemaker's edits together made for a more correct lead, then our goal is achieved. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 03:15, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just reopened the user's sockpuppet case, as Macbookpro1990 (talk · contribs) seems to have a few hallmarks that match up perfectly to TRCG's editing MO, if you would like to comment. Thank you. Nate • (chatter) 03:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Drmies, hope all is well with you. I have been working on the WKEY (AM)‎ article and took it to GAN. User:Go Phightins!‎ did the initial review, but there were things to be fixed. I fixed them, but in the meantime, Go Phightins!‎'s allergies started acting up something fierce. Can't blame him, mine are too. Anywho, he said that he wouldn't mind one of this "stalkers" taking a look. So, would you mind taking a look at the page? This would allow him to recover from the allergies, without rushing back to work on a review, plus I could stop bugging him. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I'll be glad to, Homer, but not tonight. Yes, all is well here--as well as can be for a working stiff, haha. Hope you're better off than me, Drmies (talk) 04:52, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • All is good here. It's damned cold here, going to be near 32 tonight with frost. Hope my apple tree makes it. Good thing about the cold is it might kill off some of the cicadas that are coming out of their 17 year slumber, so that's good. :) Going to be 80 by Friday. I don't think the weather knows what season it wants to be here. :) Anywho, feel free to work on that later on today. I will be up until about 9a, so I will see if you make edits on the GAN page or the actual article. Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hey Drmies, don't worry about it. I'll get it tomorrow. I am finally starting to feel better. Neutralhomer, sorry for the delay, but I will take a look tomorrow. Go Phightins! 02:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yeah, I was going to say that this really isn't something I can jump in to. The article certainly looks a lot cleaner, and I saw that not all questions had been addressed. But I think it's well on its way. Drmies (talk) 05:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@GoPhightins: No worries, glad you are feeling better.

@Drmies: I missed a question? Which one? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

3a. If there is nothing, address that specifically or it does indeed look like you missed it. In my opinion you can "earn" inclusion of the second logo (with the cross) if you can dig up something about the Christian intent/audience, and that would kill two birds with one stone. Drmies (talk) 16:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I covered that part in the history section: "On May 1, 2008, the station changed its format from oldies to Southern Gospel, under "The Cross" branding." I sourced that part with this reference. I think the reason they switched to Southern Gospel is it was a satellite format and it was cheap. Can't confirm any of that since I don't have any sources, just speculation and OR from me.

I did, however, create a fairly good sized section for programming (and sourced it to death). I wish I could give information on "listening statistics", but Arbitron doesn't rate areas like Covington, too small and not enough stations to rate. The closest rated areas are Roanoke and Harrisonburg/Staunton, but WKEY doesn't come anywhere close to either area to be rated in their "ratings books". - Neutralhomer • Talk • 16:17, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Respected Sir/Madam,

This is to inform you that on 2011 the University of Mumbai has been given the highest "A" rating by the National Assessment and Accreditation Council (NAAC). On the other hand within India it is recognized as a Five Star University and a Centre with Potential for Excellence by the University Grants Commission and the National Assessment and Accreditation Council.The University of Mumbai (known earlier as University of Bombay) is one of the oldest and premier Universities in India. It was established in 1857 consequent upon "Wood's Education Dispatch".

Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.248.8.114 (talk) 05:44, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you, that is great news. Please add it only to the article if properly verified, and written neutrally. Drmies (talk) 13:50, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drmies, as you rightly noted, my edit summary was not complete. I had in mind the message - "rm promotional edits. possible socking and impersonation". JK (talk) 16:57, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Haha, what an amazing coincidence. Look at what I removed: my "and?" was in response to that, as a variation on "so what?" Thanks for your note, though--and I'm glad your impersonator was found out and blocked. Drmies (talk) 17:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since you are an uninvolved (and likely uninterested) admin, perhaps you can answer this question about WP:Requests for comment/Arzel. the OP, User:Caspring has withdrawn his complaint. Here he supports my view to close the RFC [4] and on the talk page he explains he is calling for closure here [5]. So how does one actually close it? Even if there is a non-admin closure available, I'm involved. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:51, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Done--though just as I closed the screen where I archived it I noticed that my link looked different from the ones below. It's too late for me to worry about it right now. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 05:22, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Drmies. You have new messages at 122.62.226.243's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the ((Talkback)) or ((Tb)) template.

.-gadfium 23:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks gadfium--that was exciting. Drmies (talk) 05:28, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go. The inappropriate post is this one [6]. To some extent it's being addressed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Legacypac, but I'm not sure that's going anywhere. HiLo48 (talk) 05:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In fact it's given Legacypac a platform to again try to blame me for all his troubles, with the latter part of this [7] post. Do I have to continue to be the brunt of his attacks simply for saying (correctly) he was wrong about WP:BLP. He keeps accusing me of harassment for that. Right now I'm avoiding responding. Surely his crap has to be stopped. HiLo48 (talk) 08:32, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On 15 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Out of the Grey (The Dream Syndicate album), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Los Angeles band The Dream Syndicate retired in 1984, released Out of the Grey in 1986, retired again, then released Ghost Stories in 1988, then retired again until 2012? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Out of the Grey (The Dream Syndicate album). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:24, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On 15 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ghost Stories (Dream Syndicate album), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Los Angeles band The Dream Syndicate retired in 1984, released Out of the Grey in 1986, retired again, then released Ghost Stories in 1988, then retired again until 2012? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:24, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I previously involved you in this dispute, I thought I should notify you of the discussion at WP:ANI about this. You can leave a comment at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Copyright_violations_by_User:Danish_Expert. TDL (talk) 20:00, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to let you know, too, that you've been invoked in the text there, where evidently another user interpreted something you said as suggesting "TDL should plot to get Danish Expert blocked." At least, TDL seems to think he's talking about you. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 10:28, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Boy, that's a lot of text. :D --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:14, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Which is why I've looked at it but haven't responded yet. My history with the user (there isn't much of it) is on their talk page, and possibly on the talk page of one of those articles they were expanding, on euro coins or so. Thanks MRG. Oh, your boy is standing up! Not that you'd care, you deadbeat mom. Drmies (talk) 13:35, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Toynbee tiles. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 21:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That was very interesting. Thank you for spreading the word. Hmmm, Drmies tiles? Wonder what those tiles would say? Bgwhite (talk) 22:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They might contain a cussword or two, possibly in German. Drmies (talk) 01:31, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to guess Mars Needs Women, if we stuck with movie references. Or maybe Earth Girls Are Easy, but that could be my own bias for the young Geena Davis coming through. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 04:40, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For Drmies it would be Husband and Lovers. For Mrs Drmies it would be The Wife of an Important Man. For me it would be The Husband Defeated (play). I just asked by wife what it would be for me, she said Clueless and Touch of Evil. Bgwhite (talk) 05:04, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:Metalhead498 is the second user in the last week to make pointy edits[8] at Feminism in order to underline their views[9] in a discussion at Talk:men's rights movement. User:TheTruthiness made the same edit[10] (for more see here and this[11]). Truthiness has just been warned of the men's righst probation today[12] (so they cannot be sanctioned) but Metalhead was warned months ago[13]. In my view Metalhead has breached the community probation by bring a dispute in one topic area to another one to make a point- could you take a look--Cailil ^talk 00:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Hmm. I think TheTruthiness's edit ("perceived") is boneheaded and POVish. Adding Gynocentrism, that's not a mortal sin in my book, and I don't yet see that a pointy edit leads to a disruptive comment on the MRM talk page. Metalhead clearly has some learning to do about neutrality and the world, but I wouldn't block over it, not yet. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 05:22, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drimies. I just wanted to make you aware of this thread on my talk page, started by User:HiLo48, because I invoked your name in my reply to him. I'm honestly not sure why he chose to contact me about this matter, as I don't recall ever having any direct contact with him, but hopefully my response will help to put an end to whatever's going on between User:Legacypac and him. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know I mentioned you. Have a great evening. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 01:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I saw your great comment. Thank you. There's been some back and forth since then, but sadly I don't think my message is getting through at all. I'm getting a bit frustrated, so I think it would be best if I let you review the discussion and handle it as you see fit. Thanks. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 04:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I would just leave it be. I know what HiLo's complaint is and while it has validity it's not a blockable offense, or the ANI thread would have led to one. The ANI complaint was hasty, HiLo was correct re:BLP, and no one got blocked--in my book that's a success. Nothing actionable will come out of any of this, I hope, and all the two have to do is not do anything. Thanks for your mediation--and I think you've reached the point where you realize that there's little more you can do. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 04:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Thanks. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 04:30, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On 16 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Aan de Amsterdamse grachten, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... Johnny Kraaijkamp could have recorded the first version of "Aan de Amsterdamse grachten", one of the best-known Dutch songs of all time, had he not been out drinking the night before? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Aan de Amsterdamse grachten. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking care of things are you always seem to do. There have been a few times in the last year that I've noticed you taking the initiative on borderline matters. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 14:58, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks, but I think you're giving me too much credit. Besides, no good deed goes unpunished here. :) Drmies (talk) 16:41, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just a question about the DAF vandal, was the WMF notified? As I am not sure about this being an SIP as indicated by the talk page for the IP. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 19:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chris, you got me; I thought you were talking about the Filipacchi-related thread on ANI. Feel free to email me the acronyms privately so I don't look like Mr. Geriatry all over my own talk page. Drmies (talk) 23:52, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wait: you mean DoD. I didn't see them as listed, no, so, no. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 23:56, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just flying out the door for work, but can you look over PersonWithoutRules (talk · contribs)? Beyond the probably inflammatory username, user has all the signs of TRCG and is re-reverting the edits Kww rolled back. Nate • (chatter) 19:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• They're blocked. I'm not going to roll back their edits since, as far as I can tell, they're always good, and I don't care what KWW has to say on the topic. Drmies (talk) 19:42, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Works for me. I got a couple back, but most were good. Nate • (chatter) 02:06, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Another one found at 12.152.0.173 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). This time I'm going to let the CheckUsers do their magic as I added it to the sock report. Nate • (chatter) 03:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drmies, you added a pretty pink box here. I'm pretty sure a matching one is needed here, based on area edited, confrontational nature, and character of typos and use of language. If you think a more formal SPI is needed please let me know. Thanks... Zad68 19:55, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Sock of who? You'll have to jog my aging memory a bit... Drmies (talk) 20:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sure, you blocked Mandragua one week ago for disruptive editing and socking as user Momentarilylost, Mandragua was also using IPs, and I now think Booklaunch is another sock of Mandragua. Zad68 20:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Haha, moron that I am--I thought you were making reference to the pretty pink box I placed a moment before your message here. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 20:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • And I thought I was being soooooooooo wink wink nudge nudge CLEVER. Let me know if anything else is needed here, thanks. Zad68 20:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • OK, I can't do this right now: it requires a pretty close look and I gotta run and get the kids. If you have a few diffs that nail it that would make it easy. Also, perhaps it's time to start a real SPI: this person is tenacious. Sorry, but I have to sign off for now. Drmies (talk) 20:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • No prob, it can wait, it's not urgent. I'll pull the diffs and do it all proper-like, but I also have to run for pretty much the same reason. Zad68 20:17, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
            • Ha. I hope yours are better behaved: my oldest pushed one of her friends in our swimming pool, and he was wearing everything--shoes, jeans, etc. So I'll wait for you: last time around was easy since by luck or design I stumbled upon the diffs that made the case easily; the three or four I looked at this afternoon didn't yet do it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:33, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • SPI Zad68 21:02, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I saw. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 21:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See my comment at Template:Did you know nominations/Dorothea Trowbridge. Cheerio. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 20:19, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks K. Stump Johnson was an early and happy wiki experience for me. Drmies (talk) 23:44, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I left you another note there, not sure how these notifications are working these days. Stump Johnson? Like Turd Ferguson?
    • Copy and paste, K! ((subst:DYKproblem|Dorothea Trowbridge|header=yes|sig=yes)), from the edit screen of the template. And it's James "Stump" Johnson. Drmies (talk) 19:49, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I see now what you mean. Sorry, I'm dense and sleep-deprived. I think I've taken care of it, thanks. Drmies (talk) 19:53, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Reviewed and approved! No more slip-ups, got it? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 20:38, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • Sir, yes sir. Drmies (talk) 01:01, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking at your user page and I wonder if you are aware that you are in Category:Wikipedian sex workers -- not that there is anything wrong with that. Kauffner (talk) 20:50, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I hear he's known on the streets as "Li'l Dutchy". Beeblebrox (talk) 20:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think he knows. Beeblebrox: "l'il"? that's a personal attack, I think. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:58, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is why I can't stop watching the windows. Geoff ^{Who, me?} 21:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks Kauffner. Yes, I put myself in there, because I felt lonely. And come to think of it, the mortgage is due in two weeks... WK, I'm married and I have kids--I don't need a tool anymore. 23:27, 16 May 2013 (UTC)Drmies (talk)
  • Okie dokie. I guess Amsterdam really is a broad-minded place, or so it seems from this story. Kauffner (talk) 07:55, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oh, I see. You are making a joke of the category system. How ironic is that? Kauffner (talk) 07:56, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I am? It was a joke, certainly, but not of the category system. If you could be serious, non-snarky, and receptive to another person's opinion for a moment, I'd tell you that I added that category to my user page years ago as a token of solidarity with another person who had that category, a person who at the time was getting shat on by every other admin and a fair number of Wikipedia jerks. . That's why. Drmies (talk) 13:17, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • So you are showing solidarity with "Malleus", who is cited in the edit summary and which I presume refers to Malleus Fatuorum/Eric Corbett? I note that this category was deleted after being denounced as "fake" and "a hoax." It was further stated that, "named members have been members of other deleted cats that were fake" and that "as far as I can tell this category was created as a gag." Kauffner (talk) 05:06, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yes. This is all well-documented, yes. Drmies (talk) 16:51, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • It would seem that the Categories Police needs to saddle up for its second case. TO ARMS!!! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 05:30, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
            • Babadump babadump baba-da-da-dump, babadump babadump baba-da-da-dump! Ignatzmice•talk 13:08, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
              • Actually, it's more like this. Or this. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think given your last message and the nice waffles and all, I should not have side stepped the comment/question you hinted at with your brain-drain reference. Yes, there is a brain-drain, but it probably started in 2008. And there is also an idealist drain as the number of opportunists and PR-firms skyrocketed. So these days the brain-donors are becoming the norm. I mean, how many times do I have to tell the same imbecile IP to read WP:V? At some point it is too much. So I will execute WP:Vanish next week and be done. I have planned it for a while. There is no other way.

This was a social experiment, and experiments can succeed, fail, or have partial success. I think Wikipedia will be a partial success. A great collection of links to follow for further research, and very good basic information on freeways, lakes and such. But do I myself trust it on anything complicated or serious? No way. No way. I would never, ever rely on it for health-related information, financial information, science, etc. Anyone could have changed that in the last 10 minutes: it is Russian roulette. And these days 90% of management time goes into dealing with sockpuppets and so on. And I have said before that the outdated tools for chasing puppets make the chasers look like Elmer Fudd. We have all seen far too many puppets eat time like Pac-man.

And unless someone runs over 10 old people and 12 children they get to keep their driver licenses here. You have seen all the ANI discussions with Einstein-like comments. The last ANI we were both involved in took 3-5 days of my life. Not worth it. Just not worth it. There will be another self-published another around the corner. And the fact that so few people support bans on these obvious cases is adding insult to injury. And policy and decision making are an utter quagmire now. I realized that when I saw the Pending changes discussions. They call this phenomenon "social gridlock". There is no way out of it except a major social upheaval, or a war. That is well known.

So brain-drain is one thing, brain-block is another. By that I mean that I once saw a statement somewhere in a policy or guideline that "if you don't want your material ruthlessly edited by others, do not contribute it". At that point I thought the subject experts out there were are saying: "You have a deal - we will not." I think these days many of the people with brains have stared to say the same.

Anyway, enough. Take care. History2007 (talk) 00:07, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• As one of your staunchest supporters at RfA, it pains me to see you leave. I wish there was something I could say to change your mind, but I respect that this isn't something you would do casually. Feel free to email me before you leave if you want my address. I have to say it: if there is any way I help you change your mind, History2007, please don't hesitate to ask. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 00:14, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I had planned it. And there are 2 ways: Major Wiki-policy changes, or a $10 million wire transfer. I have a feeling option 2 will be easier to arrange. But anyway, take care. History2007 (talk) 00:19, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I figured you must have had a good reason to sidestep that question and I wasn't going to push the point. I don't feel all the things you mention as strongly as you do, but there's certainly a few that I subscribe to as well. I, for one, am sorry to see you go. I wish we had gotten to work together since, it seems, we share a number of interests. Happy trails, and feel free to come by anytime, with your swimming trunks, to enjoy the beer fridge and chat about other things. "For real life", as my 4-yr old is fond of saying instead of "for real". Drmies (talk) 00:57, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Ah History2007, now a Vanished User, we'll miss you. Thanks for all the work you've done here. It will be forgotten, like all of our work, but that doesn't mean it was in vain. Drmies (talk) 21:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the bacon thing. Yuck! But thank you. :) On another matter, I just wanted to make you aware that I made this revert of a comment about Legacy that was inserted into a talk page discussion. I think the comment was not only outrageous, but unnecessary and a personal attack. If any of Legacy's prior comments in that discussion had violated BLP, it is those comments that would've and should've been dealt with. But this editor adding that comment in an effort to influence the closer, and embarrass Legacy, is wrong. I'm not sure if the editor should receive a warning, but I'll leave that judgment up to you since you are miles more experienced than me. Further, if you feel I violated refactoring policy by removing that comment, please feel free to let me know and revert me. Thanks. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 01:46, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Yeah, that bacon explosion, it's something else. Your refactoring probably falls within guidelines; I don't think it's that bad, but I let Slp know anyway. I don't want to see any more gravedancing and while this wasn't the worst of it, we shouldn't have it at all. BTW, I'm not experienced in this particular matter at all; I've only ever refactored comma splices and stuff like that, though occasionally I like to just be a jerk. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:52, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. I really trust your overall editing judgement, which is why I asked you. And I just wanted to make an admin aware of what I did, rather than being surreptitious about it. Ugh, now my kids want to try that bacon explosion and it's all your fault. Haha. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 04:02, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, my neighbor made one and I had a slice. It wasn't all that bad! We had the article up on the frontpage; it's the 14-highest hitter ever, with over 40,000 page views. Now that was fun. If only I could beat that stupid octopus. Fishy fuckers don't know how much it hurts to lose a WC final. Drmies (talk) 04:42, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, it really is #14. That's impressive. And funny. It looks like it'll be really tough to beat the octopus. 76.189.109.155 (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, Slp1 removed my final comment from the discussion on his talk page so you wouldn't see it. So he got his final insults about me in, removed my reply to it, then hatted it. Haha. As you'll note in my comments he reverted, he again inexplicably inserted content about Legacy into that article talk page thread, except this time without using his name. And he provided no diffs to back up any of the allegations he made on his talk page, so I can only assume he couldn't find any. Anyway, hope you had a great day at the beach. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 19:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was also a copyvio, you just beat me to the revert, it was copied from here Darkness Shines (talk) 02:32, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks. That editor is on a fast train to a block. Funny--I was trying to make it less of a hagiography, and I find myself turning it into less of an attack page. So it goes. Drmies (talk) 02:44, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have nothing against engaging in talk page discussion. Just couldn't find anything relevant to my changes. And, of course, I believe these changes are for the benefit of the article. Tried to be WP:BOLD. :) However, I am open to any discussion.

Following yor advice, I wrote some words on the talk page about the changes I made. Thanks. :) Laura Weintraub (talk) 05:54, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Bold is fine, but this article is sometimes very contentious--though much of the attention of the wikipress will have shifted to Cleveland. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 13:05, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

I have noticed that a certain user has been threatening of taking you for dispute resolution a number of times. Actually he stalks all my edits and reverts them though unsuccessfully most of the time. I was first to tell him about dispute resolution. He then said lets go for it. We went and he could not justify his point there. Even after that he had been talking about so to me. Don't be afraid of editing though you should remain in accordance with wiki user policy. Good luck with your edits. User has a habit of using bad language. Don't worry. I am sure he is reading these edits too. Cheers! --Mohit Singh (talk) 09:28, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! I didn't notice that you were an admin. Too senior to me, to make such a suggestive comment. --Mohit Singh (talk) 09:50, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

LMAO at the second comment. :p Yep, Drmies is both an active and excellent administrator. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 09:56, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

At least better than you, an unregistered stalker. If you think Wikipedia gives around admin status randomly then why don't you get it. Mohit Singh (talk) 11:17, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I gladly accept any suggestive comments. Mohit, IP editors are human too: they eat breakfast and brush their teeth just like we do. This person you're talking about did indeed start Dispute resolution and we'll see where it goes. IP, less active this weekend: the beach beckons. Can you hold the fort? Drmies (talk) 13:03, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies, I see that Mohit apparently misunderstood the intent of my comment, which was intended to be a very friendly response to his subsequent discovery that you were an admin, after having educated you on basic editing ("Don't be afraid of editing"). Haha. And, yes, I was indeed guilty of being a (talk page stalker). Anyway, have fun at the beach, my friend, and don't forget to pick up the bacon explosion supplies for lunch. ;) Sure, I'll hold the fort down, but I can't guarantee you that it'll still be in one piece when you return. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 14:26, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I am sorry if I misunderstood your comment. Sorry for the stalker comment. Actually I am continuously being irritated by a stalker Soham321. I guess 95% of his edits have been after I have made any edit on a page. Cheers! --Mohit Singh (talk) 17:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. If you are bothered by what you perceive to be stalking, you can consider filing a complaint at WP:ANI, but you'd have to be able to prove that they indeed followed you somewhere (like, they hadn't been there before) and that they are undoing your edits or otherwise messing with them. In other words, there's a burden of evidence. Drmies (talk) 17:41, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, I'm pretty sure Mohit was talking to me - the unregistered stalker lol - when he said "I misunderstood your comment". Thanks for the apology, Mohit. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 17:58, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Michel,

I've emailed you on a Signpost matter—here and not on Meta because there's an email throttle there, and I'm emailing all candidates.

Kind regards, Tony (talk) 02:12, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I suppose my carefully guarded anonymity is out the window. Tony, I'm at the beach; whether I can answer these questions quickly will depend on that line of thunderstorms. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 12:59, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dr.--99 again, in NY today and using various IPs out of circumstance. I may need help at Kenneth Lewis (mixing engineer), if you can. Very best, 198.228.200.170 (talk) 12:46, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Have I been there before? I've done an engineer or two. Unfortunately, I'm finishing breakfast and am about to head down to the beach... Maybe some of the nice stalkers can take care of that. Or, you can just not worry about it! Wait, I'm talking to you. Drmies (talk) 12:53, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very funny--as if you have responsibilities outside of Wiki. Me, I'm indulging this compulsion during breaks in class. Returned from Maine just in time to reap the benefits of the Metro North disaster, drove into the city this morning. Fun. 198.228.200.156 (talk) 14:55, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • My great thanks to LadyofShalott for helping with this, though I've reverted the vandalism of templates again, and requested a block at AIV. 99.149.85.229 (talk) 23:47, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks Lady. They were blocked for 31 hours; let's see what happens at that AfD, and when that editor returns from their block. And now, grouper. Drmies (talk) 00:03, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hey, I drank Magic Hat tonight, though no grouper. Hope you're enjoying good weather. 99.149.85.229 (talk) 00:09, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'm glad I could help. I see that my clear note in addition to the final warning did nothing to convince the editor that deleting tags was not the way to go. Oh well. No beer, but I went to a cheap movie with a friend and let her feed me curry. LadyofShalott 01:10, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • Hmm, saucy. Like, spoonfeed you curry? Drmies (talk) 02:27, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
            • Hah! Leave it to you to turn that into something more than just dinner. Nope, she was just glad I helped get rid of her leftovers. LadyofShalott 03:53, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to look at my response to your comment at Talk:Narendra Modi before Mrt gets in a tizz. - Sitush (talk) 14:04, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Ha, I just did. I don't think there's anything that won't get them in a tizz. Honestly, I don't understand that kind of emotion, or the way it's channeled. Badgering every opponent, that's in bad form, and it's more likely than not to rub the closing administrator (if it ever gets that far) the wrong way. Drmies (talk) 16:26, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I tried, yes. It doesn't look like it has worked. The paragraph and indeed the entire section needs some more doing to it, as I acknowledged at the time and also in the RfC. I'm getting a bit fed up of it all, tbh: I can only take so much repeated inappropriate behaviour and poor article contributions, and there has been a lot of rope given out thus far. I wish I was on the beach, like you! - Sitush (talk) 16:38, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Sitush, right now I'm really fat and happy. There was beer (the first one at 10AM, on the beach), cocktails, more beer, delicious fish and gnocchi with pesto...and little Liam can now stand independently for longer than ten seconds. I'm going to let that trainwreck. Supposedly it's an RfC, so an admin will look at it, and maybe Mr. T. will dig themselves an early grave; their last comment makes it pretty clear they're just not all that competent, using that RfC to utter some kind of complaint about the title of some other article. Anyway, there's more beer in the immediate future, and ice cream, and a digestif--one of those things will be dedicated to your health, and that of your brother. Drmies (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could I trouble you to delete the redirect at The Rainbow Stories, I have to make way for a AfC move, and want to take care of it quickly. Cheers, --kelapstick^(bainuu) 16:28, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• You're at the beach: get off the damn computer, Drmies. BTW, I think I'm more-or-less back myself. I seem to be doing some stuff, at any rate. LadyofShalott 16:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I expect an even more unappetizing lead picture at tan line upon your return.  davidiad { t } 16:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks Lady, found this guy, 198 edits, declining/accepting articles, declines with the canned answer "see WP:NOT", which seems a little odd. Or declining and blanking and nominating for CSD, then this one, easily notable, declined for notability...I've asked him/her to stop reviewing until they understand policy better, will see how that goes over. Enjoy the beach Doc. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 16:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• You're welcome, K. Ugh, we really need to have people show they know something about WP before letting them loose on page patrolling and AfC reviewing. LadyofShalott 16:52, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Agreed, I posed the question at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk‎ (dont' know how much action that page gets), but I am sure I know what the answer will be. I don't dabble in AfC very often, and I like it that way (too much explaining the same thing over and over). Glad to hear you are doing better. Only four more days and I get to go home. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 16:57, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Also, did you know... that the south Gobi is in a state of emergency? High winds and sand storms (it's pretty windy, but nothing out of the ordinary for this time of year). --kelapstick^(bainuu) 17:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks, I'm not quite "there" yet, but I'm working on it. Be safe in the storms while you are still there, and travel safely when you get in the air! LadyofShalott 17:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• We just came back from our second swim today. The Gulf is magnificent. Our friend got yelled at by the cops cause she brought her beer in bottles--Mrs. Drmies and I drank our Magic Hat #9 from cans. Tonight, it's grouper for dinner: $20 dollars a pound at the getting place, but I'm reasonably sure that it's actually from here: some of you may know that there's been a grouper scandal here in the Gulf.

  K, I'm blocking your agent, Dittrich&Schlechtriem (talk · contribs), and I hope you don't mind--and it doesn't affect the AfCs you been looking at. I'd ask Mandarax if I were you, since if you leave it up to me it will be a hack job. In the meantime I'm moving the article off to mainspace; Hugo Markl appears to be notable. Stay safe, K., and if you do find yourself stuck for a couple of hours, just go the fuck to sleep. Drmies (talk) 23:23, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I wonder if that block will increase the commission I pay...If there is an admin watching if you could take care of the G6 at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Pacatnamu, I tried moving it back but of course muddled it up, the article had been accepted and moved to mainspace in error. Thanks all. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 10:24, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Crisco, Dennis? I see you guys are active could one of you take care of the G6 noted above? (Sorry for using your page for requests, but it's usually easier to ping someone here than anywhere else :D)--kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:03, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• It appears Lady has taken care of it. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 11:09, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• That was yesterday, there is another one (my slipup today) at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Pacatnamu. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:14, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Crisco, I really shouldn't edit before my third cup of coffee :D --kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:15, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• At least you have coffee. (Well, good coffee) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:21, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• You call Nescafe Gold good coffee? :| --kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:24, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• *horror* You poor, poor, poor man... Kapal Api is decent compared to that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I just ground up some fresh beans and made a pot myself. I'm a bit snobby about grinding my own, even at work. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 11:26, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I hate you. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Coffee is gross. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 11:31, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I have some Folgers, but have gotten pretty lazy about it (and the Folgers isn't that great)...Seconding Crisco's sentiment, and Ed, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Well, back to the review of reviews...only 29 more to go :S --kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I just cooked some bacon, fried to perfection where it just starts to get crispy. Goes really well with my freshly ground coffee, Crisco :p I love Sunday mornings. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 12:19, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• And me being in a country where pork bacon is really hard to find and expensive. Drmies, I don't think Dennis is the superstar you made him out to be. He certainly knows how to hit below the belt. Hehe. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:51, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• you know, I just had a sandwich in the famous sandwich toaster, a big thick ham steak with knock off Laughing Cow cheese and Dijon mustard. Like heaven on Earth. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 12:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Sigh... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:41, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Drmies, you've got mail. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 18:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't been online in a few days, but I just wanted to say that I thought the number at the top meant its placement in the list. And I still think that is so.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 16:30, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• It took me five minutes to figure out what you were talking about. I changed it to the number indicated by the Google URL but then changed it back since all the prefacing material is in roman numerals. BTW, I helped you get that thing through DYK so I don't understand why you sound a bit miffed. Drmies (talk) 21:06, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a second, if you go through with this you'll have to reveal your gender! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:16, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Why? (Actually, the photograph probably makes that clear.) Drmies (talk) 16:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Well, photographs don't show everything... (and yeah, you've made it clear before) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:58, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Eric fucking Corbett took the time and effort to tell me I should have ordered a larger t-shirt. Now I'm drowning my sorrow in chocolate syrup with bacon chips. Drmies (talk) 01:22, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Or you could just pull an Eric Corbett. Oh, you would get my vote. -Jim Heaphy, Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:26, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Yeah, he could. But then he'd have to reveal that xe is actually the Dutch Dr. Doom. So, in other words, Goldmember on steroids. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Isn't that common knowledge among card carrying cabal members already, Crisco? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:25, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• What? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• As a side note, if you win I know what to buy you. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I saw that article yesterday. Tasty. Drmies (talk) 16:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Somebody goes in for wikiproject overkill. Anthropology, sociology, really? LadyofShalott 01:12, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mr. Bacon Explosion. :) Here's something funny I thought you'd enjoy. I accidentally posted an AN/I notice on an editor's user page instead of their talk page. (The AN/I isn't about them, but I mentioned their name in it.) Anyway, some other edtior posted this harsh message on my talk page about my mistake. Yikes. :p Anyway, hope you're having a great weekend. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 05:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Accidents happen, and that warning was out of line. I left them a note; let's hope they don't dismiss it or want to shoot the messenger. Drmies (talk) 14:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• And they did, on their talk page and via email. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jeez, there's some venom there. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:43, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Rather predictably so. Look at this uncivil edit summary which seems to bear no relation to the edit they actually made; the change affected a number, not a preposition. "Do you understand English"--from someone who leaves us gems like "And this does not imply that I will not revert any of your edits which is short of obvious degradations...your edit will ever meet our hostility". "Hostility"? That reveals a battleground mentality and a complete lack of good faith, besides some language issues. All your base are belong to us, WK. And now they're pissing on Sitush; of course, if Sitush had any sense in his long and beautiful body he'd stick to the conflicts he's already in, like over the Indian Army and its employment (deployment?) of male prostitutes. Drmies (talk) 15:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yeah I saw that, and had actually typed out a reply to it, but then I figured: if they don't believe an English professor (omg spoilers!) that Sitush was just making a point with some rhetorical flair, why would they believe me? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'll be saying no more there. I only dropped in to make a point, which apparently I did with some style. (I did?) Meanwhile, back at the ranch that is ANI, I am still trying to work out what exactly is the point being made against me. It is turning out to be one of those days. - Sitush (talk) 16:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • Just to be clear, I was referring to the ANI thread and your...colorful examples of the many uses of the word "serve" when I talked about your way with words. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
            • Ah, yes. That makes more sense and for that I will modestly acknowledge a smidgeon of flair ;) - Sitush (talk) 17:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
              • Wow, posting about a content dispute on their talk page "can [be] consider[ed] a harassment"? While it is fine to encourage content disputes to occur on article talk pages, that is not exactly a collegial way of doing so. Someone has trouble with the idea of a collaborative environment. LadyofShalott 17:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
                • And for a moment, the two issues were united in an ecstasy of vitriol and rage. Then the moment passed, Drmies dropped the hammer, and the world breathed a collective sigh of relief. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Wait--I didn't do anything, I just dropped a few words. The thread as a whole was closed, and no one got blocked, not even Sitush with his small dog and tall mast. Drmies (talk) 01:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drimes. :) I just became aware that this discussion re-started after seeing this message on my talk page from Incnis Mrsi. That led me to this Reference desk/Language discussion, which in turn led me to this AN/I discussion in which my name (IP) was mentioned. So I had no idea that any of these discussions were taking place. Haha, I've really been out of the loop. Anyway, thank you so much for your comments at AN/I and on Incnis' talk page. Although Incnis' message today at first appeared to be an apology, which I appreciated, I changed my view when I read the last sentence, which said, "I hope that our paths will not cross soon, though." Therefore, I reverted it and asked the editor to please stay off my talk page. Anyway, I hope that Incnis will start treating other editors in a more civil manner. Hope you have a great rest of the week. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 04:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, I would be happy if Drmies restrained in the future of any publicly readable comments about my person, unless I developed a conflict directly with Drmies (which I’ll avoid whenever possible). If somebody of habitual frequenters of this user_talk page has to say me something, a mediation (by such users as Ymblanter, Materialscientist, or any other user with whom I communicate) will be preferable to avoid more unconstructive conflicts. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 05:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was next to convinced that this misconception was caused by only two factors: my mistake in vocabulary and mutual misunderstanding on my talk page, and hence proposed you to stop at this point. But no, you opted to go forth with an unambiguously expressed threat to block me. So, it is in some sense even better… I always wanted to check whether en.wikipedia’s community is actually so healthy as it appears, and now I nearing a chance to increase my experience. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 10:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On 19 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dorothea Trowbridge, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that in 1933 St. Louis blues singer Dorothea Trowbridge recorded "Grinding Blues", the lyrics of which are cited as an "open declaration of erotic desire"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dorothea Trowbridge. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On 19 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pinetop Sparks, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that not Memphis Slim but 1930s St. Louis blues pianist Pinetop Sparks wrote the blues standard "Every Day I Have the Blues"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pinetop Sparks. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Harrias ^talk 17:21, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Drmies. You have new messages at Black Kite's talk page.
Message added 18:13, 19 May 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the ((Talkback)) or ((Tb)) template.[reply]

WorldTraveller101^{(Trouble?/My Work)} 18:13, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On 20 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Johnny Jordaan, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that for the 1956 wedding anniversary of Johnny Jordaan, the king of the Jordaanlied, 30,000 people showed up? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Johnny Jordaan. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Harrias ^talk 16:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Ha, what I didn't get to stick in that hook--out of reticence or editorial incompetence--is that he already knew he preferred men when he got married in 1943. Drmies (talk) 05:31, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How many is too many? I was thinking of trimming this down a bit. Much of this is SPI and sock related, probably 1000-2000 of it, which I need to keep. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 19:05, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Rookie. I have 16,372. Which is why I never look at it. Drmies (talk) 19:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • How many are tagged/speedy deleted? Mine gets taken up with a lot of that, although not as many as either of you guys. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 19:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good Christ, and I though my 646 was getting unwieldy. (@chapstick: a lot, at least for me, though I tend to clean them out every now and then.) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I just passed 10.000, see all these changes to Bach cantatas and can't even check them all ;) - We still celebrate Pentecost in Germany, matching cantata pictured on the Main page, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Ah yes, Pinksteren. My brother back in the motherland had the day off, didn't even know about the Holy Spirit pouring down like rain, the heathen. Drmies (talk) 19:36, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • 14,059, which is far, far too many, and I look at it all the time. Cut back hard now before you lose all chance. If all else fails cut out the ones that actually show up on your watchlist, which thank God most don't. Johnbod (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • John, I've never used the watchlist feature...if I had to keep with that as well... Drmies (talk) 19:45, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • The Watchlist is good for stalking prey. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 20:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I keep my watchlist at exactly 666 pages....muaaahhhhh. Lectonar (talk) 18:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • I have a meer 1,411 pages on mine, mostly radio stations, it used to be more. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Drmies, some time ago we had a talk about my dogs, I pointed you to our Lowchen article and you came back with a comment along the lines of "that's not a dog, it's a wuss". Which, based on the pics in that article, was pretty much spot-on: that's the silly hair-style that show dogs have to suffer. However, I've now got round to uploading a pic of one of mine, who sports a slightly more rational - if wind-blown - look. So, please say hello to Gyp, the Lowchen with machismo <g> Sitush (talk) 20:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• nice try, Sitush. Try with an even lower camera angle. 166.205.68.43 (talk) 21:32, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Alas, I'm no photographer. The angle and the skewed-ness evident in this photo were fortuitous, if one wants to put a positive spin on things. I'm 6 feet 4 inches (1.93 m) tall and he is, well, not a lot. I'd probably fallen over at the time of clicking - it is not a rare thing to happen to me.

  What the Lowchen article needs, aside from some decent sourcing etc, is 3/4, full-on and side-on photos of this - one of the rarest breeds - in more normal guise, and less of the "show dog" stuff. But, doubtless, there is some project watching over such articles and pushing the breeder mentality which, in my opinion, amounts to a form of fascism. Generally, Gyp naturally displays a classic show stance but he is a living being and to force him to do so would be wrong. Ginny, his sister, rarely shows that stance and is naturally rotund ... but she has the most beautiful face and manner. I wouldn't swap or change them in any way. Although, it must be said, I've been the same with all my dogs over the years. And they are tools for me, along the lines of Hearing Dogs for Deaf People.

  Wait until I upload the photo of me somewhere in the Lake District. Drmies has seen that one before and it is a shocker of ample proportions! - Sitush (talk) 23:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)Hafspajen (talk) 13:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• That is a shocker. Now, for dog issues, I turn to my old pal Hafspajen, or "Warrington", as I like to call him for old time's sake.

• Sitush, at 6 foot plus you tower over me.

  On another note, talk page stalkers, feel free to peruse the contributions of the above IP. Fishy, no? Who knows how IPs are assigned to iPhones? (Disclaimer: I have no interest in Alabama baseball.) Drmies (talk) 00:12, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I am better on arts than on dogs but I can fix that article if you feel that something has to be done. I think it would need a History section, explaining the coat issue. Than we would need better pictures, Sitush, of Ginny or Gyp, as modern dogs with no lion cut. Preferably from the side. And later after that, than Dr Mies could look at the linguistics, so I am not getting dismay messages about my spelling, grammar and syntax. Warrington, alias

• If I ever untangle myself from my current woes then I'll see what sources are available. The lion cut is still used because (IIRC) it is covered by the breed standard or something like that issued by the Kennel Club & so no dog that is shown at KC-affiliated functions is going to get nearer than the outside of the ring unless they are suitably primped. However, while I like dogs, articles about dogs are really not something I'm ever likely to edit heavily ... and I clearly have a technical COI and perhaps even outright POV regarding this one. - Sitush (talk) 13:34, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• I like these little dogs. Is that true that they don't shed? (Books say so). If I had one of my own I would cut the lion cut, it is just silly. But they, as you say, dogs are not accepted in the the ring unless they are suitably primped. How about no lion cut but wind-blown - look pictures? This one is a bit (sorry) skewed. Warrington, alias Hafspajen (talk) 13:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Pretty much no shedding. I sometimes find a few hairs on the carpet running over a toe or two of the one of my staircases. The rise on those steps is only slightly less that the shoulder height of Gyp, so there can be a bit of rubbing on his chest if he decides to go up there. Otherwise, nothing. The face of the van Eyck dog doesn't look quite right, nor the hind legs, but the coat is correct if the thing is allowed to grow out that long. Can you imagine a Picasso Lowchen? - Sitush (talk) 00:45, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Yes I can, vividly… I might even able to do one, if you really mean it. But that is good, no shedding. Many dogs shed heavily. Found a book, got refs. But here are no wind-blown - look pictures commons, at all. Need assistance. Hafspajen (talk) 12:32, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Nice. I miss it. Drmies (talk) 15:34, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Check out my sandbox, I added code there a while back that will automatically float an Orange Bar of Death on your talk page, up at the top. Of course, everyone that goes there will they they have a new message and we reverted back to the OBOD, but that is half the fun. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 16:52, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • May the gods give you back your ribbon... Warrington, 13:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I know you're not listed here but based on your helpfulness before I was wondering if you might possibly help out again, as I would like to userfy this article which lost its AfD but I believe is on a relevant subject and I would like to work on in private to source to the satisfaction of others. Ranze (talk) 20:19, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Sure thing, but it'll have to wait until tonight--after swimming lessons, possibly after dinner. Oh, I see the article title now: brrr. Drmies (talk) 20:20, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Done. But I read the AfD--I wouldn't go live with it anytime soon. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 00:37, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies, could you please also restore and userify for User:Ranze the associated talk page? That page is really what I think Ranze was looking to have available to review, it had some more comments than what was at the AFD, and also an item-by-item review of the article's sourcing. Appreciate it... Zad68 01:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rrrright--I may have forgotten that last time too, initially. There's no "move talk page too" option. Anyway, it took me a try or two but it's in the proper place now. Drmies (talk) 02:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Super, what's needed for the discussion between me and Ranze is there now, thanks. Zad68 02:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I'd like it if you could have that discussion using WP:FLOW and I could watch (listen?), so I could figure out how it works. Not operational yet... Good luck with it, Drmies (talk) 03:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've never seen WP:FLOW before, and holy cripes, is that even a little tiny bit a reality yet??? That's needed BADLY. What do we have to do to benefit from it? Although honestly that particular conversation might not be the best one to try it with. Zad68 03:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're obviously a much hipper person than me, haha. I got onto it through this. Drmies (talk) 03:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the pointer, will look. Zad68 03:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is this FLOW anything like this new notifications system? Sounds convenient. Too many new features and I feel like that guy in that pizza commercial though. Ranze (talk) 04:08, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm yes and no, maybe. How's that for clarity? [Or, try it yourself, and realize that "The final product may look, feel, and behave very differently from this initial mock-up." Drmies (talk) 14:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I await "FLOW" with dread. I suspect it may make me choose between editing articles and interacting with the community/helping newbies. It's certainly going to muck up archiving (including the archive I was forced to implement on my talkpage) and warning templates. And the initial mockups had icons, which is pretty much the last straw as far as I'm concerned. After someone pointed out to me that the MediaWiki devs don't care about the encyclopedia, or even about the WMF, I'm considering how to break my wiki-addiction, because I do consider the community here to be important. There are translation projects I am needed for off-wiki, and a neglected book. I may write an essay in the interim. But it would be more logical if I just wound up my work here. I won't be forced into an ersatz MySpace, and I'd be letting down the people who voted for me as an admin - and the people who've collaborated with me - if I just returned to being a gnome; plus it would pretty much destroy my trust that the encyclopedia isn't just a front for yet another Web 2.0 monetization. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:03, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for cheering me up, academic. Drmies (talk) 18:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I appreciate your help in the matter. United States Man (talk) 04:09, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Sure thing. I haven't looked at your actual edits; it could be they're completely boneheaded, but what happened on your talk page was a kind of bullying and I hate when new editors get slapped around with non-existing policies and/or guidelines. I trust that won't happen again. Drmies (talk) 05:08, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies, did you get the email Tony1 sent you? We need a reply relatively quickly, assuming you want to reply. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Why don't you check your inbox, Mr. Ed. You know I spent the last two hours on them? Drmies (talk) 05:05, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I spoke too soon then... I'm sorry. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 05:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd been thinking about them since Friday and have been tweaking them in my mind; it wasn't until tonight that I had the time to sit down and write them out. All this, of course, at the expense of my prep for summer school, which starts Wednesday. Woohoo! Business writing! Now, good luck trying to edit my iron-clad prose and diamond-like metaphors. Please correct any dumb mistakes you run into. Like saying "boss"--did I? Drmies (talk) 05:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Don't worry, with 12 people getting crammed into one article, I doubt Tony will be using too many quotes from your "sorry, I don't do brief" answers. ;-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 21:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • WP:NOTPAPER, pal. Yeah, I know. Still, I don't want to do vague, one-sentence clinchers like "sure I'd put $10 million in an endowment fund". Or, "we need to do all we can to ensure greater participation from the Global South". Drmies (talk) 22:12, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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This stuff is getting silly. I know Sitush's editing is almost completely non-problematic (there is a snark element occasionally, but I put that down to exasperation) and he does good work almost everywhere he gets involved. The before & afters of articles he has improved show a marked difference. Having looked through the various complaints there, I am coming to the conclusion that certain editors are either incompetant or are seriously pushing an agenda. After the last exchange with MrT, I am not sure he actually gets that what he is linking to doesnt support what he thinks it does. At this point I have gone from an AGF position of 'Sitush could probably be a bit plainer and less expressive when he discusses with non-native speakers' to 'screw that, everyone else needs to be topic banned'. Sadly I think at this point, short of wide topic bans on editors (or some sort of mandated review/mentoring) it will end up at Arbcom. Only in death does duty end (talk) 13:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was made a party to an ArbCom case earlier this year, although I missed the action due to being hospitalised and then convalescing away from home. As much as the proceedings generally ignored anything that I may or may not have done, I'd rather not see my name in lights there. If people want to hunt for a snark then they will inevitably succeed, given the sheer number of my edits. There are few people with this level of edits who have never done it, although I could certainly name one who quite likely has managed the extraordinary. - Sitush (talk) 13:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, I meant the editing area in general, not necessarily yourself. (EC - Also I didnt say the snark wasnt justified! Faced with some of the editing there I would have just walked away or risk exploding.) Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, thanks, I realised both of those points. But my name would be in lights if the subject area went to ArbCom and it would be one heck of a time-sink. We already have at least two sanctions in place for India-related stuff but the caste one certainly does not apply and I'm not too sure that the other one would either. So, ArbCom would probably end up having to create yet another set of sanctions. - Sitush (talk) 14:12, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Death, I couldn't agree with you more. (I'm conveniently skipping over Sitush's commentary; Sitush, you're referring to Mandarax, without a doubt.) The amount of disruption caused by his opponents is overwhelming and so is, speaking generally, their incompetence and/or partiality (sometimes it's hard to tell the difference). I don't know what to do here. I was thinking along the same lines yesterday but I know that I could not be the one to hand out said blocks and topic bans; I have a fairly long history by now of collaborating with Sitush on articles and research and while I can state that I am not married to Sitush literally or metaphorically, his opponents will place no stock in any claim of impartiality. I can only hope that some uninvolved admin who knows the minefield topic area will feel the spirit move them. If that doesn't happen, there's two options--continued disruption and a possible take-over by those POV warriors, or ArbCom. Thanks for your note: it's nice to know that this is being taken notice of. Drmies (talk) 14:04, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, it will be best if anyone who follows this page refrains from taking any action with regard to this stuff, lest they get denounced as involved and part of the (wholly fictitious) Drmies coordinated-attack-on-innocent-editor cabal that they seem to believe in. Drama avoidance, etc.; I personally think there's been quite enough of it. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WK, I'm almost afraid to click on the diff in the first line of this thread--I thought the discussion was closed. I got work to this morning--like, the stuff I get paid for. Drmies (talk) 14:15, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Writ, anyone who has ever had a positive interaction with me should probably keep away. For example, see this comment calling Salvio giuliano an ass-licker. (chamcha). Enjoy your day, Drmies: another dollar and all that rot. - Sitush (talk) 15:09, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That was a comment from the 19th--I came this close to blocking them for it. I left a final warning: this shit has to stop. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drmies – I just noticed this thread and thought it pertinent to comment. Though I agree that the article has suffered from bouts of disruptive editing, it has come from camps from both of the sides of the spectrum and not just one. I think you've made some sensible comments on the article discussion page and would welcome your continued involvement. At the same time, I would request you to try and see if there exists an other side of the narrative that is being painted on your talk page (and perhaps your email inbox). Anyhow, the literal translation of the word "chamcha" is 'a spoon', but it figuratively refers to a sycophant, not an ass-licker. Though the two terms may, in effect, convey the same thing, the phrase "ass licker" is far more offensive than the word 'chamcha' is intended to convey. This is my personal observation based on my understanding of the Hindi language as a native speaker. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 08:33, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Nick, thanks, but there's nothing even remotely interesting in my email inbox, unless you're into Anglo-Saxon elegies. I am well aware of the narratives on both sides; it's just that the one side represents reality a lot better than the other, tends to not use racist or nationalist language, enjoys adding up-to-date scholarly sources to Wikipedia articles, and does not sock. I'm speaking generally, of course. The suggestion that there are sycophants and admins flocking together in a conspiracy is revolting to me; that's what's blockable, in my opinion. As for ass licker, it takes one to use that language, I suppose, and to each their own as long as proper hygiene is practiced. Drmies (talk) 15:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In context though, ass-licker is a synonym for sycophant. Chamcha as used is a synonym for sycophant. The reason its best not to call people names is because you cannot predict how they will take it. The solution is not 'pick a better word', it is 'dont call people names'. And fyi, most people will take offense at being called a sycophant regardless of the language used to do so. Only in death does duty end (talk) 09:03, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, I used an online dictionary to look up the word and "ass-licker" was in that dictionary. I still object to being categorised as belonging to a "camp". Although Nick is careful never actually to use my name, others are less so. I see nothing in my editing history to justify such a classification, which seems also to have been obliquely referred to as being "UK-centric". And now I am being niggled for having too much time on my hands. It's not my fault that I am more or less unemployed, believe me! - Sitush (talk) 11:41, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Very smooth. :) — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 11:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not even sure that is the dictionary that I looked at but, hey, what is the problem here? I don't understand your "very smooth" comment. And what does "belcha" mean? - Sitush (talk) 12:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The smooth part alludes to the fact that you used Urban Dictionary to inform Drmies' opinion as to what was actually stated in the diff there. Please note that I am not supporting or condoning what has been said about Salvio, simply that your concerns are exaggerated. No other self-respecting dictionary would publish the meaning of the word 'chamcha' or 'चमचा' as ass-licker. See Shabdkosh.com for instance.^[14] I think a 'belcha' or 'बेलचा' literally means a 'shovel'.^[15] Sorry about dragging this on your talk page, Drmies, but I hope you understand where I am coming from. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 12:41, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I left no link to a dictionary for Drmies and my comment was left here two days after the cause of it had been posted. You do not know that and I cannot recall even seeing Urban Dictionary in the past. I rarely use any dictionary other than the Oxford, which I have here in the two-volume "shorter" version & via an online subscription service. Sycophant/ass-licker/ass-kisser/spoon/toady or, as the writer said "pet tommy" - what really is your problem here? Maybe I just slung "ass-licker" here when I had seen "ass-kisser" in the dictionary, or maybe other dictionaries use "ass-licker". You can believe me about UD or you can think otherwise. - Sitush (talk) 13:00, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

While the exact meanings are slightly different, colloquially speaking, a chamcha is also an ass licker (arse licker?). Salvio should be upset but, I suspect, he is above all this anyway :) --regentspark (comment) 14:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have a problem with user User:Nathan_Johnson. I am not new to wikipedia. I come from it.wiki where I have created 230+ pages (17k+ edits) almost only about climbing and mountaineering ([here). I have started to contribute to en.wiki only by a few days. I have improved Daniel Woods page using only reliable sources (climbing.com, and ukclimbing.com, as explained in talk page). Today User:Nathan Johnson has decided to clear my content saying that those sites were not reliable. I have explained in talk page that these sites are not only reliable but very known and he has remove content again. I need some help. Thanks in advance.--Rotpunkt (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Hmm. I'll have a look. But mind you, I never got above 5c, and that was just a 20-meter stretch. Drmies (talk) 16:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Eheh thanks! I have also another problem. I have added the heading "Biography" in some pages (Sasha DiGiulian, Ben Moon (rock climber)). Nathan Johnson has removed these heading on these pages saying that are unnecessary. But instead it is a separation between the incipit and the biography (we can call it "Life and career" instead of Biography), and it is used in thousand of pages, just googling among writers: Charlton Thomas Lewis, Iain Levison, Peggy Levitt, William Alexander Linn, Lewis E. Lawes, ... . For reaction he has started to remove "Biography" in all pages. --Rotpunkt (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• OK. In the Woods article, you shouldn't have referred to this edit as vandalism--that's the first thing. But not everything in their revert is justified. I'll leave a note on the talk page. As for your second message, one thing at a time. Drmies (talk) 16:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• I reverted Nathan on Sasha DiGiulian, and see no reason why in other, similar articles there shouldn't be such a heading. Drmies (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I reverted you. I'm not sure why you got involved in this content dispute though. As I said on my talk, adding headings is good to distinguish the lead from the article. But that's not what's going on here. Rotpunkt has simply been adding headings between the first and second paragraph. These stubs do not have a lead in the sense described at WP:LEAD. So adding a heading to these stubs is not only not-necessary, it is wrong because it implies that the section before the "Biography" heading introduces and summarizes the rest of the article. These "leads" do not do that, as I said, because they were simply the first paragraph that was in the stub. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 17:28, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is hardly content--it's pure MOS. I'm involved with this because I was asked to, and because I know a thing or two about article writing. The thing to do with an inappropriate first paragraph, obviously, is to rewrite it, which a. points the way forward and b. is not disruptive. I'm glad you self-reverted since in Sasha DiGiulian there clearly is a lead. I have not checked for the other articles, but I am trying to indicate to you how these articles can be improved. Drmies (talk) 17:34, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks Drmies for your supervision, I will continue discussion here Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Climbing#List of notable climbs. Cya! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rotpunkt (talk • contribs) 17:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • (edit conflict) Okay. Thank you for your help thus far. I will not remove the headings anymore, even though I disagree about their usefulness. :) -Nathan Johnson (talk) 17:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Up, up, and away, guys. Ciao, Drmies (talk) 17:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • Hi Drmies, could you check again Talk:Daniel_Woods#Restore of contents? I hope I have demonstrated that his ascents (we are talking about 8C bouder, that is 1/2 grade below a couple of 8C+ in the world) are well know all over the world. I think that, at the moment, there isn't any other "Notable ascent" list with more sources than this. Just as an example, in Lynn_Hill#Notable_ascents all ascents refers to the same webpage. I would like to be authorized to restore the content. Thanks in advance. --Rotpunkt (talk) 00:22, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
            • Drmies, yet another rollback (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anna_St%C3%B6hr&diff=556324697&oldid=556240679) Please check if you have time, thanks a lot. --Rotpunkt (talk) 21:18, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
              • Rotpunkt, every time I disagree with you are you going to whine to mommy? If so, I'll disengage completely from all climbing articles and you can "write" them in your more-than-broken English. Cheers, -Nathan Johnson (talk) 23:57, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
                • Drmies, what should I say about this edit of Nathan in my user page ([16]), Is it correct? WP:PERSONAL may be? --Rotpunkt (talk) 00:11, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
                  • You may say it's dickish, which it was. But I'm tired of you. See above. I'm about to disengage entirely from climbing articles because of you and your inability to actually talk to someone who disagrees with you. In my view that's more dickish than my edit. So learn to act like a grownup. Or go back to it.wiki, it really doesn't matter to me. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 00:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
                    • You are tired of me? YOU have reverted my edits multiple times. However the discussion is here and everyone could take part in it. Re-read the discussion: you started with "I welcome others opinions on how to deal with lists of notable climbs." I exposed my proposal. You answered with "The criteria you propose above is original research and thus we cannot do that... As far as I can tell, the choice of those particular ascents was simply because you liked them.". I said: "My proposal has nothing to do with WP:original research, it's just WP:COMMONSENSE". You said: "Your criteria above is original research." At this point I have understood that I can't talk with you about this topic. And I asked you a question. For me it's ok to talk from that point. But I am free to talk. You can't continously block me reverting my edits, saying that you are tired of me, that I don't understand and so on. I like discussions, I don't like when someone edit my user page instead (and "or go back to it.wiki" isn't kind too). --Rotpunkt (talk) 00:48, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Nathan, that was boneheaded, besides dickish, and blockable, though I won't do that right now. Will you please refrain from such childish behavior. And asking me for advice is not "running to mommy"--that would be going to ANI and asking for someone to intervene and block you for personal attacks; "go back to ..." could be a clincher. So seriously, you need to tone it down a bit, and you have to realize that this page is watched by a great many people, some of them with itchy trigger fingers on that block button.

  I looked at all the recent edits in Anna Stöhr. Rotpunkt has improved the article, no doubt about it. Yes, the English needs some polishing. Changing a lead image, and the re-changing it after it's been reverted, that's not OK, Rotpunkt. As it happens I agree with Nathan on the image; the one that was there was a better image. I also agree with Nathan's removal of that gallery: those images weren't all that great, and in general we should use galleries very sparingly, and only then when the images are so good that they just have to be included. Now, after all y'all's going back and forth (none of the reverts were really unwarranted, in my opinion, except for reinstating the image, Rotpunkt, after a revert; see WP:BRD), look at what we have--a better article. Drmies (talk) 04:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you deleted the rant by User:Swedish Gold from my talk page, and presumably that of others. Did you consider it to be libelous, in copyright violation, or to expose details about living persons? If so, I will leave it deleted. If not, I would prefer to restore it so that it can be archived or ridiculed. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• My guess it was due to WP:DENY. That is a sock I had just blocked. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 22:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Slow decline of once featured article.[17] [18] [19] [20] More decline in slow motion. [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35]

[36] Until nothing is left. [37] And Then There Were None, only a vast amount of book titles on the literature list and a few lines. Warrington (talk) 12:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drmies. Can you please take a look at this comment and admin just made to me in this discussion? Thanks. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 14:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I'll need to read the whole thing from top to bottom and won't be able to do that for a while. Sorry, gotta go teach a batch of poetry-deprived students. Drmies (talk) 15:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK. If you feel I did or said anything wrong, I welcome your feedback. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 15:41, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just became aware of this comment that Bwilkins also made to me in this thread on his talk page. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 17:07, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here's yet another snide comment to me from another admin on Bwilkins' talk page. This is really said because I've dealt with so many great admins, so it's really disappointing to see admins like this who go out of their way to taunt an editor, particularly one who has done nothing but address an issue in good faith and in a civil manner. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 17:14, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but leaving an NPA template is not going to do you any favors. I haven't looked at that ANI thread (yet); I don't think the joke is disproportionate though I don't really know if there's anything I'm not getting about it. But I think that this edit is not in agreement with talk page guidelines since, unless I'm mistaken, it relates to an active unblock request--though that flurry of edits makes it a tad difficult. Removing that information is certainly not smart on the IP's part and calling it trolling just isn't right. Sorry, but what's the point of continuing that discussion in that venue? Bringing it up on a talk page (for WP:OWNTALK or so) will make for a much more dispassionate and fruitful discussion. Also, I usually enjoy Bwilkins's causticity, though I admit I haven't been on the receiving end of it, I think. Drmies (talk) 17:57, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drmies. First, that edit you linked to was an extraneous comment and therefore perfectly allowable to be removed by that editor, per WP:REMOVED. The act of the editor removing it is acknowledgement that it was received. And editors should not and cannot be forced to keep warnings like that on their talk pages as a "badge of shame". Policy is very clear on this. I don't know what an "NPA template" is (:p), but if you mean the low-level warning notice I put on the admin's talk page, that was after the rude comments. And I saw this new mocking comment from Toddst1. Drmies, it's really frustrating to be treated like this by admins, especially when I haven't done anything to justify it. So when you say "is not going to do you any favors", I hope you don't mean that it justifies snide comments like the above. All I've been doing is discussing an issue, and I've never spoken uncivilly to anyone. But even if I had done something totally inappropriate, I would still expect admins to refrain from stooping down to the level of a problem editor and do their best to deescalate the situation, rather than increase tensions. These taunting comments by Bwilkins and Toddst1 were completely unprovoked. I hope this isn't how they normally treat editors who simply disagree with them on an editing issue. Anyway, I'm just not sure that it's worth the grief to continue editing on Wikipedia. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 18:26, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies, regarding your comment, "what's the point of continuing that discussion in that venue? Bringing it up on a talk page (for WP:OWNTALK or so) will make for a much more dispassionate and fruitful discussion", I did. I started this discussion at AN/I. You can see what happened. One of the admins who declined one of IP 68's unblock requests, closed the discussion after a few hours and in the process made a comment as if he was speaking for Bwilkins. Read the discussion. And you apparently don't realize that I am not the one who re-started the discussion on IP 68's talk page after the AN/I was prematurely closed. In fact, I hadn't commented there in three days. It was actually admin Dennis Brown who reignited it, with his post at 11:51, 22 May 2013. So Dennis is the one who started it up again today, posting a comment directly to me. I replied, and then all the other editors showed up and started commenting. And keep in mind that the entire discussion is about the issue (clearing one's own talk page), not at all about IP 68's block. It just so happens that the issue collided with 68's block, so that's why the discussion ended up on his talk page. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 18:43, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Now Toddst1 is apparently trying to intimidate by making this edit. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 20:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I ran out of orphans and puppies to kill. What else was there to do? Toddst1 (talk) 22:18, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Point made. He apparently thinks we're oblivious to his obvious intent. Sad. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 22:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortnately, Toddst1 has continued making insults and personal attacks via talk page comments and edit summaries. He has been warned three times. It is perplexing that he refuses to stop. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 00:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Well (referring to a few comments ago) I hadn't yet looked at the ANI discussion, and still haven't. I know the discussion was not about the block, and I still don't think that that talk page was the right place to continue another discussion. I'm sorry, but this just needs to be deflated. Perhaps Bwilkins now regrets having made a narc comment--not because it was so bad, but because of its fallout. Now, snide comments, that's one thing, and you're welcome to "snide" back, I suppose, but to leave escalating sets of templated warnings is just not productive. Now, I don't know what TPG has to say about that IP template Todd place and you removed, and I'm not really that interested. I do note that neither Todd nor Bwilkins leave templated warnings in response to your templated warnings in response to their snide comments in response to your templated warnings in response to their snide comments, since I think they think--correctly--that it's not productive. I suggest you take my word for it, that Todd and Bwilkins aren't assholes (Bwilkins, I'm going out on a limb here, pal!) but pretty decent admins and that they responded the way they did because they think you're pressing a point beyond its "more heat than light" cut-off point. They didn't block you or take any other kind of action, so their abuse is limited to a simile you don't like. Maybe it was a poor simile, I don't know. There's a lot of things I don't know, except for that y'all seem to be alright until someone gets irritated, and maybe the best thing to do is to let the matter drop. Again, this OWNTALK stuff can and maybe should be discussed in the appropriate venue; doing it elsewhere decontextualizes it or, worse, places it in another context which isn't conducive to the discussion. I encourage you to take it up somewhere, and I'm interested in this also. That's about all I can say right now. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 01:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're a great guy. Time to put the kids to bed. Zzzzz --76.189.109.155 (talk) 01:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, dad. I wonder if it's the weather. My jokes are falling flat (or cause defcon-5, see below), I had no fresh veggies to offer at dinner, I was almost late dropping my oldest off at school this morning (at 8:30, during breakfast, I realized it was 8:30, not 7:30), I had a pocket full of some kind of slime the kids had played with so I had to scrub my dress pants and put them in the dryer before work, I could go on. Let's try again tomorrow. Drmies (talk) 02:44, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Funny stuff! That's quite a day you had. That would make a great sitcom episode. Regarding the talk page-clearing issue, Yunshui was nice enough to start an RfC at Village Pump, so the discussion is on. Have a great evening, Mr. Slimey Pants. :) --76.189.109.155 (talk) 23:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't make up my mind what you're about. The only things I've figured out is that you're not stupid and you're stubborn. Sometimes, you irritate the shit out of me, and other times I find you very entertaining (in a good way). Maybe I'm married to you but didn't know it. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 23:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bbb23, I assume your comment was for me. If so, thanks. I think. Haha. You may be right on both of those points. And, yes, I'm "stubborn" when it comes to project issues that I feel are extremely important, such as this one about removing contents from one's own talk page. After all, it's a policy that affects all editors. Also, I don't think any editor should ever be subjected to unsubstantiated and unprovoked personal insults, especially from admins. In any case, there's one thing that I know for sure: I have a spouse and it is definitely not you. :p But I'm sure you're a great person. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 00:38, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose you should know who you're married to. I dunno if I'm a great person, but I can tell you I wouldn't want to be married to me.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:43, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aw, I'm sure someone would enjoy being married to you, Triple B. ;) --76.189.109.155 (talk) 01:12, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Drimies, I just wanted to make you aware of this thread on Toddst1's talk page because I mentioned your name. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 01:12, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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• The origin of the medieval Jaffna kingdom is obscure and still the subject of controversy among historians.[17][18][19][20][21]

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• The origin of the medieval Jaffna kingdom is obscure and subjected of controversy among historians[17][18][19][20][21] until it was sorted out by Drmies,Obi2Canibe,regentspark

you will become famous. Congratulations. --61.245.172.17 (talk) 14:36, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Kewl! Drmies (talk) 15:02, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I mentioned you in a comment here.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 21:16, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I better not respond in a jocular manner or innocent bystanders will get hurt. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently there are some people quite convinced that you were serious in issuing me with the NPA warning after my suggestion that you should have ordered a larger T-shirt.[38] So it's your fault that I was issued with a final warning for repeated vandalism today. Eric Corbett 22:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm sorry, man. I'll slap myself, below. Drmies (talk) 00:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• • Well, it is Drmies's fault that you got the final warning, since Cluebot can't tell the difference between a real warning and a fake one; it just looks for the HTML comment (<!-- Template:uw-npa3 -->, in this case) that the template leaves in the source. Drmies, you really shouldn't use Twinkle for jokes; it's far too serious a business. Perhaps we need to revoke it. EC, I wouldn't take it seriously; it is just a bot. But, as you will. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    It's come to a sad pass if we can't even have a little joke with each other, but at least now the tags are removed my next ClueBot warning for vandalism ought to be reset to level 1. Even though I'm apparently an unknown user as far as the toolserver database is concerned. Eric Corbett 00:58, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• [old message--oh for a messaging system without editing conflicts] Writ Keeper, I'll make a list of templates (the code thereof) in my user space so I won't have to abuse Twinkle for it. Perhaps you could insert the appropriate joke status=on parameter in there. But please don't take my Twinkle away...I'd have to use that other thing, which I don't understand... Drmies (talk) 01:29, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• • Well, of course you can still make jokes. It's just that using Twinkle to do it isn't a good idea, since who knows what kind of shenanigans Twinkle does on the side for these types of things? (Anyway, revoking Drmies's Twinkle is itself a lame joke on my part, as that's something he's been (rightly) calling for.) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:11, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Wait, WK. Are you saying that if I had typed ((subst:Uw-npa3)) by hand ClueBot wouldn't have known there was a level-3 warning? (And your joke wasn't lame--I got it.) Drmies (talk) 01:28, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Eric, I am sorry that you got that silly warning. For joke purposes, couldn't somebody clever with coding (clearly not me), make up some joke warning templates that ClueBot would ignore? And I assume you went through a rigamarole to have your new user name approved, right? And some competent administrator, Dennis Brown, I think, switched your talk page over? So why can't the brilliant code monkeys at WMF flag your current account as a highly experienced account instead of a newbie? Maybe somebody like Oliver Keyes (Ironholds) knows how to do that? I know what I don't know, and I don't know sophisticated coding beyond basic Wiki markup. Old dog, and all that. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Sorry, didn't see the HTML part of your comment. So below I have a message that ClueBot won't recognize. If I go ahead and vandalize something now I'd get a level-1 warning, unless toolserver has been repaired and its data tells Cluebot I'm to be trusted. Drmies (talk) 01:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• WK, can I insult you in a most obscene manner on your talk page? :) Drmies (talk) 01:33, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, I think the below template would now go unrecognized by ClueBot (though I'm not sure of that, as I haven't seen the bot's source code). And yes, feel free to leave all the nasty notes you like on my talk page, joke or otherwise. As I told someone else recently who did something similar, it really doesn't bother me that much. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Well, that wasn't working very well. Does stuff not get filtered out and/or if it's by a "trusted user"? Drmies (talk) 01:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Right, I think admins bypass the edit filter. (Though that doesn't really have anything to do with ClueBot.) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:43, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Gotcha. Don't tell Eric--he'll think that us admins have an unfair advantage even in cussing. I edited my insults a bit; I hope you don't mind. I don't really think you're the worst admin ever anyway. Drmies (talk) 01:49, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

      I always knew that you did, whereas I get blocked for using a word like ... oh, you've heard that one before. Eric Corbett 01:56, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

      Haha, I should have included "sycophant" in my list. Hey, it's been thirteen days since the last comment at the FAR. Oh! I used Poole's edition in my class today, showed them the frontispiece and talked about it in a bit on explication versus interpretation. Fun! Drmies (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

      I can't see any reason why the article shouldn't be promoted soon. I think we've addressed all the issues that were raised in the review, and more. Eric Corbett 02:16, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

      Well, I hope you know that I really do hold you in the highest respect, Eric (seriously, I do, not in the sarcastic sense at all), and I really don't think I'm acting like a mindless lackey (though I can't fault you for that choice of words applied to the general case), but I do think you're overreacting to this a bit. You're definitely not the first or only person that Cluebot has given a false warning to, and while the two-in-two-days thing is troubling, people don't seem to be ignoring it, and it's also not impossible that it was just really bad luck. :/ Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 02:06, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

      We'll see. So far I've seen no will to sort the problem out, so I guess I'm just expected to put up with these daft vandalism warnings every few days. But who cares, it's only Eric/Malleus. Eric Corbett 02:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Drmies, well at least you didn't have an admin calling you utterly "ridicolous and clueless" [sic], but I guess that comes with the t-shirt. Funny thing that a "bot" can get unblocked in under 10 minutes; and silly me I thought the people were the ones writing this project. But as mentioned elsewhere - should the all-powerful bot be down for a couple days or even an hour, then we would be woefully overrun with vandalism. D'oh, us stupid real people - too dumb to revert vandalism. </sarcasm>. Meh - just another sign that I've outlived my usefulness here I suppose. And in all fairness, I give User:Cobi a lot of credit for jumping in and working on this without a single snarky snide comment - I really do appreciate that part anyway. Maybe I'll stop back in a few days and drop some "Thanks for being an adult" barnstar or something. Chow. — Ched :  ?  04:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ched, I wanna say you're a good guy (I think you have a penis?), but I just heard that admins are no longer human beings. So I'll just call you a good virtual presence, and thanks for sticking up for the little guy, like the unknown Eric C. Drmies (talk) 04:43, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well I don't have anything featured on this "commons" page, and I haven't really checked lately - but since you do have a Lady often present on your list of ((tps)), perhaps it's best to say "The world may never know". — Ched :  ?  16:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who, me? ;) Anyway, looks like I've missed some excitement around these parts the past couple days. Final warnings for the newly renamed Eric, broken bots... LadyofShalott 16:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's only one Lady in this joint. Nice to see you again. I hope you are well; I hope your family is well. Drmies (talk)

Thank you, Drmies. Yes, we're doing ok now. :) LadyofShalott 17:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

I would like to apologize to you for saying certain things somewhere which must have offended you. I would humbly request you to consider removing the two threads which include my offensive posts. Sometimes, in passionate discussions (about which one feels strongly about), one forgets to be civil and courteous. Please forgive me on the ground that i am new to wikipedia. I will try not to repeat my mistake. Soham321 (talk) 01:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

• Soham, I wasn't really offended, just a bit miffed because DR seemed like an extreme measure to me for something relatively minor. So, I'll say two thing: your apology is gladly accepted, and really, you don't have to. We all get worked up sometimes, and if I was disinterested in that DR discussion, well, I'm a bit jaded I suppose. Don't worry bout a thing. If we didn't feel strongly we wouldn't be here--it's molding our commentary in the proper way that is difficult sometimes, and I know since I'm still learning. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 01:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies, thanks for accepting my apology. I know i need to be more detached than i am. Soham321 (talk) 03:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your level 3 warning on Eric's page almost caused wikipedia to go to defcon-5, shutting down all bots and summoning developers from their dungeons. Be more careful next time - sheesh! :) --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 02:18, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Hmm yeah. In hindsight maybe it would have been better to have given him a level-4 warning so it'd be reported to AIV and nothing would come of it. Drmies (talk) 02:39, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you wouldn't be online by any chance? Need an admin spell. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What do you need? I hope it's exciting. For boring stuff, we have Beeblebrox. Drmies (talk) 02:58, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As if it never happened. Drmies (talk) 03:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You see, that was exciting, admit it :) In ictu oculi (talk) 03:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not Drmies hasn't had enough excitement today, but take a look at the article's history again.  davidiad { t } 03:43, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies, wave wand again please :). In ictu oculi (talk) 03:48, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just did. Sorry, got distracted (marriage) and didn't see the "you screwed it up" notice. Drmies (talk) 04:06, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(congratulations!!) DMacks (talk) 17:12, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, that marriage has already been going on for a while (ten years in August); what I mean was my wife wanted me. For something unexciting, I might add. Still, thanks! Drmies (talk) 17:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is your only warning. If you break teh Wikis again, you will forced to only work in dispute resolution for MMA topics. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 12:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's got to be some level of hell, perhaps even "the special hell". LadyofShalott 16:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Come on Dennis--I'm already active on Talk:Men's rights movement. Isn't that enough punishment? Drmies (talk) 17:04, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't really frequented this page before - is it like a bar? It sort of seems that way - people dropping by, saying hello, drinking beers, making fun of one another, saying naughty things... you should put a neon sign up-top.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If it is a bar then it is a very high-class joint. Some serious drinkers contributors frequent it. - Sitush (talk) 17:14, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are there bouncers? Do you ask for ID? (e.g., a mop, or over 10k contribs?). I just made the top 5k list, but I probably still wouldn't qualify for the VIP room over there in the corner with the supermodels and bottles of high-end vodka...--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Handling dispute resolution at MMA is worse than being blocked, but not quite as bad as being fed into a wood chipper feet first, although with the wood chipper, you know the pain will eventually end. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 17:14, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, after today, MMA is a breeze. Can't we have an age minimum to edit here? Seriously, by the way, Dennis, the message below ("Thank you!") made me think of something. What if we decide that editors should have a minimum of 1000 (or 500, or 5000, whatever) non-automated edits in article space before they get to undo something? Check it out on "Rectify"--I'm at 2R now, but the last R is the revert of someone who didn't know what the fuck they were doing. And they did something boneheaded, in an automated way, which might get me in hot water if, for instance, what's his face, Gounc starts socking or IPing or whatever. This isn't the first time that I run into this kind of thing--seriously (again! I must be serious), why would editors with fewer than 1000 edits be patrolling, reverting shit? It makes no sense at all. This was a revert of a good-faith edit? Possibly--but I don't think this user was qualified to make that call. This "Vandal patrol", it's crap. It's high-school arcade stuff on the internet. Imagine, some kid like that leaves a warning on Eric's talk page, and it happens to be after the incorrect level-4 warning, and they report it, and there's a numbskull behind the boards at AIV (not that any of us are, of course). Shit, how long before the blocks get applied via autopilot? Drmies (talk) 00:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have been very worried about the same thing, the whole "patrol" idea attracts some of the least experienced teenagers. There are a lot of people here who will oppose any limits on who can and can't be a patroller or have access to Twinkle, in the name of openness. I like being as open as we can, but agree that there are some real problems with newish users jumping in and trying to help, while causing more problems than they realize. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 00:42, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• BTW, have you ever taken a look at my average day here? Pfft. You have it easy :) Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 00:49, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

— ChedZILLA 17:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gounce is back at it. Apparently I have a grudge against him: See my talk page. Can you take the action please? Toddst1 (talk) 18:14, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Done. Ridiculous. BTW, I was here, somewhere, finishing up a review--"work". Anyway, I blocked them for 31 hours; let's see what follows. Drmies (talk) 18:51, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ma'am! Toddst1 (talk) 18:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good call on that. I may be erring on the side of minimal action given the invective I've seen in the past 48 hours. Toddst1 (talk) 19:24, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• And I'm not fluent in Afrikaans, but fluent enough. Drmies (talk) 19:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I must object to your deletion of the article. No consensus had been reached. There were two votes for and two against, with several unresolved issues being debated. Wetdogmeat (talk) 19:29, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• It's not a head count, and you skipped the nominator. The last vote for keep was from a sock and I'm discrediting that. The vote from History2007 is from a former editor with a long track record of good edits and a good sense of policy. The only thing that could have kept the article would have been coverage (in the absence of hits, a record deal, etc), and that there was coverage in reliable sources was strongly disputed. Drmies (talk) 19:35, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By one person. With one other person (me) strongly insisting otherwise. History2007 made no argument in support of her/his 'vote' (what does 'vote' even mean in this context if it's "not a head count"?), s/he just doesn't know who the subject is - so what? S/he made no contribution to the debate regarding the sources. We have at least four sources. It therefore meets WP:MUSICBIO #1. You just circumvented the process and made an executive decision. Bad form. Wetdogmeat (talk) 19:48, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No particular opinion on the AfD or its close, but fun fact: the word "vote" is a msinomer that's always kind of been trouble at Wikipedia. It's actually traditional to refer to these kinds of things as "!votes", where '!' is used in the computer-science sense of negation; thus "!vote" would be read: "not-vote", since they're not actually votes per se. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just too lazy to add those exclamation points. Disputed by one person--yes, just as they were claimed to be reliable by one person. And there is no conclusive evidence that Hip Hop Infinity or Kill Pretty Magazine are reliable sources. And Tiny Mixtapes? For real? (Even if they have an article here.) This is an encyclopedia, not a collection of people mentioned in blogs. Take this to WP:RSN and see how it fares. Seriously, you're welcome to try Deletion Review, but I stand by my close. One more thing: History2007 didn't have much to say, but "who dat" is pretty clear code for "not notable by our standards", and from an editor like that, I know they didn't just say that on a whim. Drmies (talk)

"Disputed by one person--yes, just as they were claimed to be reliable by one person." Yeah, that's exactly what I said. I'm still waiting for someone to answer my question: how would we go about determining their reliability, if having a paid editorial staff isn't enough? Questionable sources are defined as "those with a poor reputation for checking the facts, or with no editorial oversight." Hip Hop Infinity was a business, part indie record store, part online magazine, with a paid staff (hence the 'staff' subforum on the message board). And as I said on the AfD page, even if we set aside Kill Pretty Magazine, we still meet WP:MUSICBIO #1. And yes, Tiny Mixtapes; it isn't a blog, it has editorial oversight, it's a reliable source - one of at least four we have, meeting WP:MUSIC #1 for Adverse. Wetdogmeat (talk) 20:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• By two people, actually, since the nominator is assumed to be !voting delete by virtue of the nomination. You could probably get it userfied if you asked, so it could worked up and then go to WP:DRV and get it reinstated as an article once it clearly passes the criteria. This assumes you want to do the work of getting it up to snuff, however. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 20:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, the nominator didn't contribute to the discussion of the sources, which were not included in the article when it was nominated. Wetdogmeat (talk) 20:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Just one thing: "Four sources" doesn't mean a pass. And if you want to come here saying stuff like "You just circumvented the process and made an executive decision. Bad form" I encourage you to not come back here again, because that's a personal attack, it shows a lack of good faith, and it's just an assholish thing to say. You disagree, that's fine. I don't tell you what I think about you, and you could do me the same courtesy: talk about edits, not about editors. Dennis has pointed out what you can do, and that's all there is to it. Drmies (talk) 22:16, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a personal attack, it's my opinion of your conduct, which I think is outside of your mandate as an admin; your role is not to decide by fiat what articles are or are not eligible for inclusion in the encyclopedia, and that, in my opinion, is what you did, since no clear consensus had been reached and the debate (which was being carried out between a mere two people) was ongoing. Expressing that opinion is not a personal attack. Calling me an asshole, on the other hand... Four sources meets WP:MUSICBIO #1: multiple sources. How multiple is "multiple"? Wetdogmeat (talk) 22:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you can't understand what you're writing yourself you have no business being here. "You just circumvented the process"--you are saying that I circumvented the process. Well, here's the process: someone nominates something for deletion, people discuss, time passes, an admin makes the call. That is the process, that is what I did. So you're saying I "circumvented" it (I'm not sure I can hold you responsible for knowing what that word means, but I have to assume good faith) means I didn't follow process. Well, I obviously did. You may not agree, but I did not circumvent a process: any fool can see that. Fortunately, I don't really care what you think of my "conduct" (which consisted of closing an AfD discussion). You may say I closed it incorrectly, that you may: but you may not say I circumvented process. Saying I did is a personal attack, yes. I didn't call you an asshole, by the way. I commented on the edit, not the editor--unlike you, "You just circumvented the process". I've had enough of this: please don't come back here. You know where you can go--DR for that article on a rapper who in half a decade couldn't get a record deal and couldn't get a real newspaper or magazine to write something about him, or AN/I where you get to prove how I "just circumvented the process". Good day to you. Drmies (talk) 00:12, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! LieutenantLatvia (talk) 21:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You look like you need a good, North Carolina brewed beer, and I can promise you that nothing is better than a Red Oak. I've been known to call restaurants and only go to those that have it on tap, it's that good. Have as many as you want, I'll cover the tab at closing time. Dennis Brown - 2¢ - © - @ - Join WER 00:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't sure if you'd look way up to an old thread to see that I notified you a couple hours ago about this discussion in which I invoked your famous name. Or is it infamous? :p --76.189.109.155 (talk) 03:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I saw that, thanks. By now, surely infamous, yes--I expect my pink slip any day. So, you and Bbb are tying the knot?? He's a great catch (I think he's a he; I don't even know his real name--or hers), I'm sure. Drmies (talk) 03:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No way. WP needs you. Um, that idea regarding Bbb is not possible. Or desired. Haha. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 03:34, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]