You might want to weigh in this discussion about the Dhammakaya Movement. Thanks.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:23, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
JJ: Given your studies on jhana / vipassana meditation, your review of the sources and summary in DM's samatha and vipassana jhana sections would help. I will try to summarize Newell and other sources as I find time. Your critical review and rewording where appropriate would be most welcome, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 12:06, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
(ps): The few lines before and one below this table make no sense (some typos/missing text?). The Mackenzie source has a decent description on pp. 102–104, as does Newell on pp. 238–241. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:15, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
As the mind is further concentrated, a crude human form (pajita-manussakaya) emerges from the centre of the vimutti-ñajadassana sphere. This is the first in a sequence of eight inner bodies. A meditation teacher informed me that meditation practitioners are not told in advance about what will arise in the centre of this sixth sphere; yet when they reach this stage and are asked to describe what they have seen, they all describe a Buddha in the lotus position.
As the mind remains at rest and focus continues on the centre of the sphere of higher moral conduct, a brighter more refined sphere will arise in its place. This is known as the sphere of samadhi or mental concentration. As the mind ‘rests still and deep in samadhi at this stage, it will destroy the Five Hindrances (lust, malice, sloth, anxiety and doubt about practice) and goodness will be attained. This is the first stage of absorption [ jhana]’ (Jayamanggalo, 1991:66). The mind at this stage is ready to practice insight meditation in order to gain wisdom, and can be described as being in a position of ‘higher mind’ (adhicitta).
This series of bodies seems to broadly correspond to the meditative development up to the four jhanas, through them, and then the four formless meditation attainments.
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Hey JJ, I was reading up on the latest lit on the Indus Valley Civilization here. I have 2 questions,
“Indo-European” Y chromosomal lineages are also found among many South Indian groups, albeit at attenuated proportions region-wide. In Peter Turchin’s formulation, I believe that “Indo-Aryan” and “Dravidian” identities became meta-ethnic coalitions in the post-IVC world. Genetically the two groups are different, on average. But some Dravidian populations assimilated and integrated Indo-Aryan tribes and bands, while Indo-Aryans as newcomers assimilated many Dravidian populations.
Given the controversy regarding Sarasvati, I don't expect that international scholars will follow their Indian colleagues on renaming the civilisation to Sarasvati civilisation: Do we as editors put an equal emphasis to Indian authors to their international counterparts or international authors are emphasized on IVC article? And Indian authors are discounted per wikipolicy?
Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:24, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
My input:
Oh, and California is bubbling with these same debates! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:06, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
The problem with calling it "Sarasvati" is that people start imagining all kinds of things. So, we don't use that term, is that a good way to write history? Shouldn't accuracy be most important. It is now clear, Indus is not the only spot this civilization existed. The GH also played a role (regardless of how bigger or smaller). I know this scholarship is recent, so if you guys have any good works, let me know. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 15:25, 13 January 2019 (UTC))
(talk page stalker)Highpeaks35 Please make these posts on Talk:Indus Valley Civilisation. Posting on a user's talk page and feigning chumminess is nowhere on Wikipedia a strategy for gaining consensus for bogus edits. Go to Talk:IVC. Can't you see. JJ is not even responding. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:20, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey Joshua Jonathan, can you review my IVC edits here for neutrality or any errors. Will greatly appreciate it. Sorry for bothering you. Want to be transparent. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 07:15, 20 January 2019 (UTC))
Why did you undo my removal of unsourced content here? Please explain which parts you disagreed. (Highpeaks35 (talk) 10:32, 30 January 2019 (UTC))
Happy New Year, JJ.
Some interesting edits here. Need to be cleaned up. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 11:20, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Vedic society did not continue to exist, at least not as before. We do not know when exactly the rot set in, but it is likely that the creation of the Nanda empire followed by the Maurya empire signalled the end of traditional vedic society... Without regular and systematic support from the rulers, the vedic ritual tradition was threatened. Vedic Brahmanism, if it wanted to survive at all, had to reinvent itself.[3]
References
Caste System originated during Gupta dynasty: Study. There's a theory that the Gupta Empire declined due to the decline of the Roman Empire. See my comment above. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:37, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
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Here is some very useful info from the early 20th century. In Champaran, where Gandhi launched his first satyagraha, landlord (Bhumihar) Brahmins were 5%, other Brahmins were 7.9%, and Rajputs were 7.6%,[1] altogether about 20%. This is a lot higher than I was expecting. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:22, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
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I think the Satyakama Jabala story gives us some idea of the caste system at that time. The question posed, "what family are you?" quizzes the birth. (I suspect that the English translation "family" probably refers to Sanskrit kulam, a highly understudied concept.) After the boy answered he didn't know, the teacher concluded he must be a Brahmin because he spoke the truth. This indicates the mixing of the varna and jati identity of Brahminhood, but it is the varna (identified by speaking of truth) that triumphed.
Notice also that the boy never interpreted "family" to mean the mother's family. Women didn't have any caste. That makes any idea of endogamy impossible. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
@Kautilya3: I urge the due careful read and attribution of these sources. Johannes Bronkhorst's publication, the one you mention above, are primary sources and he admits this. Page 1 of his Buddhism in the Shadow of the Brahmanism, for example, states,
According to Bronkhorst, and we must always attribute his views to him in wikipedia articles, Buddha likely lived about 100 years – give or take a few decades – later than the 480 BCE suggested previously by many Western scholars. There never was a Vedic religion, in his view, and Brahmanism came from the northwest after the Buddha had already died. The Magadha kings did not convert from or reject Brahmanism but knew only of Jainism and Buddhism because that is what was there (Vedic ideas came into that region later), according to Bronkhorst. And so on. Bronkhorst has many such thought-provoking proposals, some of which dismiss the conventional, long-held stereotypes / assumptions / premises / views about Jainism, Buddhism and Brahmanism / Hinduism. I have all his publications in my library, some in draft form before BRILL/etc published them, and can try to share parts of them as you improve articles that interest you. I like Johannes' innovative premises, and above all his questioning of old premises that tend to have zero physical / archaeological / epigraphical / solid evidence behind them. Some old ideas that have been used to browbeat the Buddhists, Hindus and Jains are merely cherrypicked and contested interpretation of one phrase out of thousands that express views and ideas entirely different. From helping build the Wikipedia perspective, I have already cited Bronkhorst, with attribution, in some South Asia and Southeast Asia articles, back in 2017. But, please remember that Bronkhorst's views are far from being the mainstream yet. He is an RS, and deserves to be cited with due attribution. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:05, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
K: In case you haven't, please see Bronkhorst papers related to Kashmir, Panini, Chandra, Bhartrihari, Chandragupta Maurya, etc as well. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:23, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Do you think the long quote in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._R._Ambedkar#Opposition_to_Aryan_invasion_theory can be removed or moved to Who Were the Shudras?. I think excessive quotes invite more quotes ... JimRenge (talk) 05:53, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
See here. Doug Weller talk 12:48, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
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Dear @Joshua Jonathan:,
On 5.Feb.2019 I made 3 edits to the article of Swami Satyananda Saraswati which you have reverted using Wikipedia:Twinkle, without taking into account my edit summaries.
Acording to the terms of use of Wikipedia:Twinkle: "Anti-vandalism tools, such as Twinkle, Huggle, and rollback, should not be used to undo good-faith changes unless an appropriate edit summary is used." My edits of 5.Feb.2019 were good-faith changes, with an appropriate edit summary and they were reverted with your Wikipedia:Twinkle without an appropriate summary.
For the reasons set below (which were also implied in my edit summaries of 5.Feb.2019) I consider that the defaming text I removed was using non-neutral languange (see also Wikipedia:Neutral point of view) and was based on unreliable sources according to wiki rules (pls. see brief analysis below).
In my first edit I made reference for violation of wiki rules WP:NOTRELIABLE WP:NEWSORG WP:SELFPUBLISH and in my second edit I made reference to the edit of senior User:Mdann52, who had intervened on 6.June.2016, cleaning the article of similar content, in response to a letter of mine to info-en-v@wikimedia.org in April 2016, regarding vandalism of the said page. So my edits are not a matter of WP:CENSOR as you wrote in your edit summary, but rather a matter of reliability of sources.
The sources used to support the text in the section entitled "Australian Royal Commission inquiry into abuse of children" are either obsolete newspaper articles (# 19,20,22 in the current version) dating back to 2014, expressing views that rely on unsubstantiated gossip, rumor, or personal opinion, or testimonies, while reference # 21 (current version) is a self-published private web publication, which lacks any form of neutrality, is based on testimonies as the mere sources and expresses the opinion of the author. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Questionable_and_self-published_sources "Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for checking the facts or with no editorial oversight. Such sources include websites and publications expressing views that are widely acknowledged as extremist, that are promotional in nature, or that rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions.[9] Questionable sources are generally unsuitable for citing contentious claims about third parties, which includes claims against institutions, persons living or dead, as well as more ill-defined entities. The proper uses of a questionable source are very limited."
Please also note that a testimony is not a reliable source. It is just that, a personal testimony.
As the above brief analysis shows that there has been a clear violations of WP:NOTRELIABLE WP:NEWSORG WP:SELFPUBLISH, I would like to kindly ask you to remove the content of the "Australian Royal Commission inquiry into abuse of children"
user:Sankgeo 07:03, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect How to become a Zen master. Since you had some involvement with the How to become a Zen master redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:07, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi JJ
I am a new user, I might have edited the article improperly. Could you guide me in the process?
Regarding the subsection Demographics under Lingayatism, It's as hard to define and mark Lingayats as it is to mark Hindus. It consists of tens of endogamous castes who do not inter marry or socialise because of the different socio-economic conditions.
Census figures in Karnataka, Maharastra themselves will show you varying % of Lingayats due to the reason because many of these castes follow Lingayat culture and vegetarianism but during identification those who have affirmative action benefits enlist themselves as their caste fellowmen, while those relatively richer castes enlist themselves as Lingayats or Veerashaivas.
MN SRINIVAS, the sociologist lists Lingayats as a Dominant caste(numerical power and economic power) however his is a parochial view. Social dissuasions or political discussions, Lingayats mean the 'dominant castes' and not a dominant caste. So the rich castes professing vegetarianism in Karnataka region have tended to inter-marry and hence there is increasing identification of Lingayat as a caste. However there is a deep split between so called forward castes of Lingayatism and backward castes. This manifested into the Lingayat-Veerashaiva rivalry. Again these 2 terms are vague - Lingayat and Veerashaivas are just political notions, castes will jump on to their bandwagon as time progresses and political divisions take place.
I request you to delete the section. I will run the content through you with relevant citations and get your approval before re-posting?
Gksampath (talk) 01:56, 24 February 2019 (UTC)Gksampath
is apparently the title of Shashi Tharoor's 17th book. Here is talk on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfRIu8t9Jbc
Seems like a timely book. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 22:25, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
@Joshua Jonathan: Hi kind of your guidance. The whole point of Lingayat movement was to oppose the Hindu core beliefs. It's no different from Buddhism, Jainism etc.. But later are considered separate religion but not Lingayatism. Lingayats may worship Hindu Gods but so are jains and Buddhists in India, due to syncretism of beliefs. Confusions are due to the Veerahaivas, who are core Hindu believers trying to identify as Lingayats but rejecting Lingayatism beliefs for political gain, nothing more. I'll try to add information with latest sources, please correct me wrong and notify me. Finally I request you to direct this page to followers of Lingayatism known as Lingayats. Lingayats are the biggest community in Karnataka state of India and form significant population in neighbouring states. The page might help those looking for Lingayat community: "Making Sense of the Lingayat vs Veerashaiva Debate". The Wire. Retrieved 2019-03-16.. Aatoturk (talk) 02:09, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@Joshua Jonathan: thank you for your response. Directly adding to the lead section was actually my fault. Please consider directing this page to term Lingayat also, since this page has large information about Lingayats, who are followers of Lingayatism and this could be helpful for those searching community also. Hindu nationalists like RSS oppose minority status to any anti-stratification faith originated in India. "RSS Opposes Separate Lingayat Religion, Movement Leaders Say We Don't Need Your Approval". News18. Retrieved 2019-03-16. Aatoturk (talk) 07:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@Joshua Jonathan: please instruct me, if I'm gone wrong in any editing in Wikipedia.Aatoturk (talk) 08:00, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Greetings! Still remember me? :-) Gosh, I realized that it's been nearly three years from the last time I've been actively editing!
During the last few years really there hasn't been a lot of time to dedicate to Wikipedia, but I'm glad to see that some "old dogs" like you still hang around here. :-) I've recently been editing something faaaaaaaar away from the Buddhism / Religion -related articles, but I look forward editing with you in the future the familiar topics as well! Well, but how are you? Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 23:50, 16 March 2019 (UTC) |
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If you read the explanation of my edit in the Dharmakaya article it explains that the removed section misrepresented what the source actually said. One can't just insert one's own opinions and add a misleading citation to give it the appearance of validity. In addition the writer seems uninformed about the difference between the Hindu creator called Brahma and the impersonal Absolute which is called by the similar name of Brahman. Finally, he says the Dalai Lama talks about sunyata when, in fact, he never mentions it. Please help me to restore it to accuracy.
IndologyScholar2 (talk) 16:51, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Of course I meant the Dalai Lama didn't mention sunyata in the cited article. He talks about sunyata a lot. 😀 IndologyScholar2 (talk) 16:54, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Water soluble alkaloid. Live with it. Octavius88 (talk) 00:07, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
THe proper way would be to propose the 3-way merger on the article talk pages. I'd support it.PiCo (talk) 10:10, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello. Recently you made a reassessment on the Historicity and origin of the resurrection of Jesus. Just want to know whether you use the criteria in the WikiProject here and here for the consistency of assessment? Peace. JohnThorne (talk) 21:22, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your kindness! Vdongold (talk) 16:37, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Don't you know that in our religion we don't compare a divine saint in this case Ramanuja to a mortal especially a non-Indian person who has not undergone purificatory Hindu rituals. This is a grave offence to our Hindu sentiments. Clarify your position on the matter. Why would you re-edit this with out being sensitive to our ancient belief systems? We Hindus find it blasphemous to compare a divine figure from the Hindu religious tradition to a mere mortal reformer. Blasphemous opinions nor graffiti constitute wikipedia's policies. What if a Christian saint was compared some African shaman? It's an unneeded comment. As I read, I see that you have a history of re-editing pages regarding Hindu people's faith. Let me guess it was to give "a voice to other views" specifically regarding divine figures of the Hindus.
19:29, 26 January 2014 Bbb23 (talk | contribs) blocked Joshua Jonathan (talk | contribs) with an expiration time of 24 hours (account creation blocked) (Violation of the three-revert rule: Dharmacakra)
KaustubhHareKrishna (talk) 10:32, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
... is waking up again. I wonder what is going on? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:23, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Our Swadeshi Indology series is working hard to produce research & publishing at the highest standards of scholarship. These game-changing works are later turned into consumer level products to reach the masses. I explain the difference between B2B (Business-to-Business) and B2C (Business-to-Consumer) as separate areas of focus, and how we are trying to institutionalize our movement.
Hi. Could you take a look at edits of this user? You have already reverted some of their edits. See their edits on Andronovo culture, Turkic peoples, Bashkirs, Hazaras, Turkmens, Uyghurs, and Uzbeks. --Wario-Man (talk) 05:49, 3 May 2019 (UTC)assuming that n
Hello, and thank you for your assistance. My removal of Baba Mohan Rama from the Dashavatara page was due to the reference leading to a temple of that figure, as well as not being a widely accepted or known figure, whereas the belief in Kalki is near universal. My thought was that a Baha'i of Hindu background, such as myself, might believe Baha'u'llah is the tenth avatar or that Muhammad is Kalki himself; this doesn't allow that I change the list to advertise my personal view. Can we not change Baba Mohan Ram (and perhaps others) to merely notes or smaller sections? (Jinabi (talk) 11:54, 3 May 2019 (UTC))
It seems to me to be a mistake to think of the Indo-Aryans as "Central Asian". It is better to think of them as "Russians", who used the inter-montane corridor to move south. The vast Kazhak plains didn't interest them. I have marked Shortugai in the map [2], which is the end of the corridor. After that, they didn't know where else to go. Their wheeled chariots took them to Afghanistan, which was no better than the Kazhakstan that they shunned. Only after they gave up their chariots and took to walking could they reach India. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:10, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi, why did you merge Nirguna Brahman to Para Brahman, is there any reason behind that. MRRaja001 (talk) 02:55, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Merged to Para Brahman; synonymous terms. There was no substantial info whatsoever on that page, while the topic is broadly covered at Para Brahman. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:46, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
If you don't have knowledge of hinduesm you must not edit or write . you area vatican jewish stooge....
PRANN-DAIWAN (talk) 07:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi JJ, please check this kind of edits. The user has less than a dozen. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:21, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Hey there! How would you feel about moving Wikipedia:Genetic research on the origins of India's population to some other location, like maybe User:Joshua Jonathan/Genetic research on the origins of India's population or as a subpage of the India WikiProject or something? Pages in the Wikipedia namespace are supposed to be "administration pages with information or discussion about Wikipedia", so the large collection of literature on Indian population genetics seems a bit out of place. I just happened to stumble upon it today while searching for something related to the genetics WikiProject. If you have no objection, I'm happy to move it. Otherwise we could ask for more opinions somewhere (I guess MfD would be the right place, even though we're not considering deleting the page?)?... Anyway, hopefully you don't mind. Happy editing! Ajpolino (talk) 06:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
This is in response to your request to write on your Talk page.
I am glad that you will work on the revisions. By saying that “it is your bad”, I assume you have mostly written it. But do you have the judgment to read academic resumes? If you did, you will realize the hollowness of Michael Witzel’s record. Where are the scholarly notices of his work? Without those, he cannot be considered any better than a third-rate scholar.
The article on him just keeps on citing him, one after another. Do you realize how ridiculous that is? And the article merely lists his papers as, for example, in the paragraph starting with “Shorter papers provide analyses of important religious (2004) and literary …”, which is quite like the others. This is what casebooks for faculty going up for tenure read like! Even a young faculty will be embarrassed to just list papers without clearly explaining what the content is and what the claimed originality is.
He is a fringe scholar of mythology (see the reviews by Lincoln, Thompson and others) and a sloppy one of Indology (again see reviews). He has very few peer-reviewed journal articles and books. If he spent years doing his mythology work, why isn't his work discussed by scholars of mythology?
An entire section on his self-published article on the Indus Script (Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies was run by him) is most bizarre. He promoted it hard but it has been roundly rebutted by everyone. It doesn't deserve to be on his page because it not notable. Of course, a mention of it could go in the Indus Script page.
For the sake of quality on Wikipedia, the article should be severely shortened, the Indus Script section deleted, and a section on the severe criticism that he has received (as above) added. MurkhaHanta (talk) 13:43, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
This is in further response to your request to write on your Talk page regarding my edits to the same article. I have already opened a discussion on the subject's talk page so this can be discussed there. I look forward to hearing your thoughts there. LovaLova (talk) 14:36, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Please check the created new text. Now, there's no a duplicate information with the article Vaishnavism. DayakSibiriak (talk) 16:46, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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suggested) (help) (also 2nd ed. 2005), in which there is a separate article. After all, Krishnaism is not identical to all Vaishnavism and cannot be reduced to any one sampradaya within it, but there is a group of traditions. So why not start with an article stub? Yes, we can write about this in the article Vaishnavism, but at the moment there everything is reduced only to individual sampradays. DayakSibiriak (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Can you explain again your rationale on deleting the information on the origins of the Moral Influence theory with Augustine? Why not just add a section about modern skepticism about the origins of the theory in full? It seems information about the history of Eastern Christianity, information on conflict and criticism, etcetera have also been removed, which would have provided good context to the existing information. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.200.177 (talk • contribs) 25 May 2019 (UTC)
In this talk, around 3:00, David Anthony is criticising the "Mapping the origins" (2012) paper. Do we have this analysis anywhere on Wikipedia? Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 10:54, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
You put an Invalid ref number 27 on turkic peoples, anyway thanks for your great work.MeLoveGames (talk) 16:09, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
So far I've seen more than 10 different editors cleaning up after your numerous edits to Christ myth theory. Making work for other people is not a good thing. At the very least, edit with a browser than has a spell checker active, and review before you hit "Publish Changes". I'm sure 'authentocity' would have been redlined.
Oh good, you are reviewing lately. Shenme (talk) 22:41, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
The Brilliant Idea Barnstar | |
For your new approach to Absolute (philosophy) — nicely done! El_C 03:43, 17 June 2019 (UTC) |
Hello Joshua, I have edited the article Historical Vedic religion and tried to correct it. There are/was several incorrect statements. As this is a controversial topic, I inform you as one of the major contributors of this article. Please, if you have time, can you take a look at the article? If necessary correct mistakes made by me. I think it is now better than before, but to be sure I wanted to let you know. Greetings.212.241.98.39 (talk) 23:10, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is King of troy and WP:SEEALSO. Jayjg (talk) 14:03, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I appreciate your time looking into these cases. And I appreciate your interest in and public display of Buddhism. I have also worked on some articles with regard to this way of life. I've read your Buddhist message: 'Relax!' I agree that we should all take a deep breath and not be too upset by a difference opinion, which is why it would be against the open cooperative free spirit of wikipedia for nick to censor me simply because he does not agree with me.
Many people have thanked me for my edits. But there are for some reason some who seek to vandalize, harass, and revert me; simply because I write about things that does not conform to their point of view.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Racial_discrimination&oldid=903968918
I recently made these edits. They are cited by this article (though you can find others):
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/are-jews-white/509453/
On the talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Racial_discrimination
some seem to disagree that the Jews were discriminated against. These seem to be the same people who believe that the holocaust never existed. Nick is just a really bad person. At this point, I believe I need administrative help.
Nick has a track record of stalking and disruptively reverting my contributions to wikipedia. I was hoping Nick could be blocked from editing, or that a report be submitted against him, at the very least. His abusive behavior is getting out of hand.
People like him also launched several smear-campaigns, simply because I wrote about some things that are well-sourced and well-documented that does not fit their chauvinistic point of view. They intend to ban me, and I need support. I have reached out to those who have appreciated my edits. Please do not let these bullies get their way and further censor the internet.
I appreciate your input on this urgent issue. Wikipedia has no space for such bullying and abuse. I trust you as an admin. Thank you very much for your time and support on this. I really appreciate it. Alexkyoung (talk) 05:30, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
75% of the text of History of Xinjiang was added by Milktaco [9], [10] who also created 94,9% of Migration to Xinjiang, [11]. I recommend reading the odd SPI, including the masters (Rajmaan) defense. JimRenge (talk) 22:53, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
When you reverted that page, you reverted the edits of other users too. Those are not just my edits.
Second, we spent months improving the article. Please give an honest comparison of the two. The current one is better.
It has a better toc, it removed many grammatical mistakes, it fixed a lot of style, reorganized the content better. Another user even added the Ush rebellion. So many more links were added, as well as more citations.
If you want to propose specific feedback as to where the article can be improved, please state exactly where. Then I will be happy to help you and others improve it. Alexkyoung (talk) 06:32, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
I believe you would have to agree that on numerous occasions, from your talk page, to the history of xinjiang talk page, to the ANI; that I have consistently invited others to make their own contributions and non-reverting edits to the article. I never claimed ownership of the article, and the words that 'I will stick to my own' were misinterpreted. It was just a reference to how others like Citobun and Nick were stalking pages that I had recently editing. But no way was I trying to claim that I owned the article. I find such an accusation ridiculous, and I apologize as I never meant to come off that way. But in defense, please at least acknowledge that I have always invited others to make specific edits to the pages. Alexkyoung (talk) 06:50, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Ok I am listening to what you want. I have proposed one compromise on the ANI. I would like to collaborate on what steps should be taken next.Alexkyoung (talk) 06:51, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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You restored the tags to the article, even after you and JimRenge edited the article extensively. Is there something more that can be done? Or should the tags just remain there?
Update: Ok I'm not sure what this silence treatment is about, but I think it's helpful to discuss. After all that's what Socrates would have promoted.
I read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Maintenance_template_removal#When_to_remove
and I'm guessing I should just wait for somebody else to fix any pov or or (if it exists), or for Darthkayak to elaborate more and then I can help fix. But if you're just going to remain silent, then I'm just guessing since I'm not the administrator here.
Anyways, I just want to say thanks for listening and editing off of the version I was advocating (which I won't say is 'my' version).
Alexkyoung (talk) 02:29, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Joshua. On 10 June you edited Ascension of Jesus adding the following citation:
Subsequently you added two references to ((sfn|Hurtado|2015|p=508, 591)). I checked the book publication date and have consequently changed the references from 2015 to 2005. I do note that Hurtado has published a lot of works, including one in 2015, so I just need to check with you that you intended the 2005 book, not an uncited work from 2015. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:47, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Help! I have so many accounts that I can't figure out what account I am on [12]. Why does Wikipedia make it so hard to operate multiple accounts? Take a lesson from gmail or something! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:01, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
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Here is a very interesting passage I found buried in Greater India:
The caste system divides Hindus into a hierarchical groups based on their work (karma) and duty (dharma).The caste system, defined by authoritative book on hindu law wrote that the system is a basis of order and regularity of society. Once born into a group, one can not move into different levels. Lower castes are never able to climb higher within the caste system, limiting the economies progress from growing. The system divides Hindus into four categories - Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and the Shudras. Brahmins consist of those who teach and educate such as priest and teachers. Kshatriyas include those who maintain law and order. Vaishyas consist of businessmen such as farmers and merchants. Shudras contain all skilled and unskilled laborers.[1]
Quintessential European POV?
The editor who added this was also writing about Indians expanding into Southeast Asia. A symbol of "limited economic progress"? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:56, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
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I saw a documentary once, where an Ethiopian coffee grower flavored his coffee with ground garlic & ground black pepper.
"How garlic is used in coffee drinks". cafemayancoffee.com.
Coffee with garlic – Ingredients (for 2 servings):
300 gammas [sic] of purified water
2 tablespoons of ground coffee
2 cloves of garlic
sugar - to taste, or not to add at all
black pepper and salt - quite a bit.
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Hi Joshua - I need to ask you some questions, so I can better understand and respond to your notes. I hope it's OK to do that here. If it's not OK, I can re-post in the Ramakrishna talk page. I'm not arguing anything here, just trying to understand your comments.
[1] Where is the dividing line between Vedanta and Neo-Vedanta? From what I've read, some consider RK as the leading edge of Neo-Vedanta, and others seem to report that it was Vivekananda's interpretation of RK that is considered neo-Vedanta.
[2] Here in the US, I've never heard of the word, "Daemonic". After some research, I found that it's a Latin word, but when I looked it up in several dictionaries, it says it's a variant spelling of demon, defined as "a: an evil spirit angels and demons. b: a source or agent of evil, harm, distress, or ruin the demons of drug and alcohol addiction confronting the demons of his childhood..." Perhaps the word is more common in other English speaking countries.
When I first read it, I thought it said, "...bring to the realm of Eastern energetics and realization the demonic [as in evil] celebration..." Is there a better word that doesn't have the demonic connotation and derivation?
[3] Regarding Kali's Child Revisited with the subtitle "Did Anyone Check the Translation?", that was a Xerox'd paper, written by Swami Tyagananda, that was handed out at the 2000 American Academy of Religion conference and published in the journal Evam. The book, Interpreting Ramakrishna with the subtitle, "Kali's Child Revisited" was published in 2010 and was written by Pr. Vrajaprana (a senior nun at the Santa Barbara Vedanta Convent) and Swami Tyagananda (the head of the Vedanta Society of Boston and Hindu Chaplin for MIT and Harvard). Interpreting... doesn't have as many citations as Kali's Child (given KC's controversies, it's not surprising), but the book does have many more citations than the original paper.
[4] How can I communicate my proposed edits, so we're not stepping on each other? Should I post changes here for comment? Or my talk page, or the RK talk page? I'm open to what ever works. Thanks, Ellis408 (talk) 08:36, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
After reading the book, what strikes me about the three quoted assessments of the book is the com- monly used term “balanced.” If this book were a balanced assessment of scholarly studies of Ramakrishna, I would hate to think what an unbalanced account would resemble because this book is rather a systematic attack on the work of various Western scholars of Ramakrishna (1836–1886), Bengali saint and/or incarnation and inspiration for the Ramakrishna Math and Mission and Vedanta Society.
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Hi Joshua, I was reviewing all the edits over the last few days, and one thing stuck. In a two places you refer to "the Vedanta Society" - as in, "According to the Vedanta society, this is expressed in Rig Veda..." and "...rendered by the Vedanta Society as "Truth is one; sages call it by various names" The whole paragraph is:
There is no central "Vedanta Society". In the United States, there are many Vedanta Societies, each incorporated as an independent organization, who invites a Swami of the Ramakrishna Order to be the spiritual head of the Society. A better way to express this is either the Ramakrishna Order or the Ramakrishna Movement.
Also the word "Darshana", as used here, is not a term used by the Vedanta Societies or the Ramakrishna Order, They use "Darshan" to mean soaking in the spiritual atmosphere of a holy person or place. I think Darshana may be a Buddhist term - but is inappropriate here. I would suggest this wording for the paragraph:
I've got to reach out to someone who might know, if the "Truth is one; sages call it by various names." phrase is more historic than RK and the RK Order. For my money, "To what is One, sages give many a title" and "Truth is one; sages call it by various names." are just slight variations of an English translation from the original Sanskrit. Ellis408 (talk) 20:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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You said to discuss if there's a disagreement about an edit. You edited my changes to the section that includes a reference to "Truth is One..." interpretation of a passage in in the Rig Veda. I posted a detailed response to you, including suggested wording changes. I left the discussion on the talk page for three days, and after no response from you even though you made edits to the Rk article during that time. I finally posted the changes, and you reverted them with no discussion. I'm disappointed, but will continue to press this issue. This is not just about translation, but interpretation. Please just Google "Truth is One" and see the hundreds of religious organizations who cite this translation and interpretation. To not accept this POV is just pushing a different POV, specifically a belief that all religions do not lead to God realization. The Ramakrishna Order, and the hundreds of other religious organizations who utilize.their interpretation to communicate their philosophy. If needed I can create a list of those organizations, but it shouldn't be necessary. Please discuss. ---- Ellis408 (talk) 01:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Joshua, Just FYI - I noticed a week ago in an article someone used the word attend to mean bring something to someone's attention. I corrected that. I noticed you used it on the RK talk page in response to my comments, "I attended you to William A. Graham". Here are some examples of the correct use of attend and attended: You attended a class last year, or you will attend a play tomorrow. If you attend to a person, you are offering a personal service, as in, "I attended to the needs of Mr. Smith by serving him a cup of tea." It would be proper English to say, "I referred you to William A. Graham.", or "I pointed you to William A. Graham." or "I introduced you to William A. Graham." Hope this is helpful. Thanks, Ellis408 (talk) 15:05, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
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I do not want to escalate this - but this [13] resotred a wordpress blog, not by the BLP subject, to a BLP article. This is a redline WP:BLPSPS violation and is actionable under the DS regime - kindly self revert.Icewhiz (talk) 20:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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Early Jewish Christians referred to themselves as 'The Way'. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:04, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Early Jewish Christians referred to themselves as 'The Way'. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:23, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Looking over the Robert M. Price article, there is no mention of the reception of his theories. Given how much effort has been put into documenting scholars responses to Richard Carrier, this strikes me as strange. Ehrman certainly talks about him quite a lot.--Ermenrich (talk) 21:32, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
See Ramakrishna#Bhakti, Tantra, and God-realization
Hi Joshua, As I was cleaning up my browsers, I came across the reference of William A. Graham, you gave for the Rig Veda quote regarding "Truth is One..." Your note reads as follows:
But, when I was reading the reference further, it seems to support my view that the statement of Truth in the Rig Veda and the goddess Vac is, in fact, a reference to Brahman, the Ground of All Existence, the Godhead, or however it is expressed:
In ancient and modern Sanatana Dharma, the gods are aspects of Brahman. Saraswati, goddess of music and learning; Lakshmi is the goddess of wealth and purity, etc. As world religion scholar, Huston Smith, said in his Hartley film about Hinduism, "350 million deities sounds like polytheism gone haywire, until you learn that nothing exists except Brahman."
I'm OK with the text of the section, I just think your note should change to reflect that "Truth is One, Sages call it by various names", does refer to Brahman, though personified though the goddess Vac, who is the aspect of Brahman that gives voice to the Truth.
Also, in two places I replaced Ekam with Brahman, as Ekam is from a slightly different tradition than mainstream Sanatana Dharma. From the Ekam page:
Ekam may be akin to Brahman, but in this context, I think it proper to use Brahman. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks, Ellis408 (talk) 14:41, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
@Ellis408: "Ekam" is translated as "one"; it is "sat," Brahman, the multiplicity of gods, which are names for the one reality/being. You are interpreting texts. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:01, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi Joshua, I suppose it's pushing against the tide to try and interject that the words Hindu and Hinduism were introduced by outsiders from India, who labeled the people east of the Indus river, Hindus (no matter what Religion they practiced). It's kind of a leftover from colonial times. The real name of the ancient religion of India is Sanatana Dharma, but who knows that label? Ellis408 (talk) 21:33, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Jonathan,You reverted my contributions in the article Rajiv Malhotra where I put his youtube channels links saying it was already given in external link.But it is not given in the external link for sure. So apparently you reverted my edits without checking the links.
Also he has more than 160k subscribers(silver play button) and 13M views in those channels.So it is worth mentioning in the infobox and not in the external link.Hope this clears your confusion. What do you say?A Seeker of Truth (talk) 04:46, 4 September 2019 (UTC)--A Seeker of Truth (talk) 04:46, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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You deleted my last contribution (regarding Andronovo culture) with references to Asko Parpola (2017) and Shubleya et al. (2019) and replaced them by previous references to Witzel (two papers) and Parpola (2015) and Narasimhan et al. (2018). Within your sources I did not find ANY reference to dating of Andronovo, except in Parpola (2015) which mentions the "outdated" beginning around 2000 BC, but you anyway quote it as having 1800 BC, on the other hand Narasimhan et al (2018) do not mention any dating for Andronovo neither. If my contribution is going to be replaced, it should be by a better quoting. --Lic. Carlos (talk) 15:45, 8 August 2019 (UTC.
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Might I ask you to keep an eye on Mycenaean Greece, as I only occasionally edit Wikipedia? The 2019 consensus across multiple fields is pretty damn clear that the Mycenaeans and their language/culture descended from the intrusion of a population descending from the original Proto-Indo-Europeans into the mainland of what is today Greece; I have made a handful of sourced edits making that clear. Another editor, who rather reminds me of a banned one prone to socking, quite clearly wants to pretend that none of this ever happened. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 02:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Hey, the last edits of Hunan are pure POv pushing, as he deleted a sentence which is a direct quote from the reference. This: “However, western Turkic peoples sampled across West Eurasia shared an excess of long chromosomal tracts that are identical by descent (IBD) with populations from present-day South Siberia and Mongolia (SSM), an area where historians center a series of early Turkic and non-Turkic steppe polities.” is written in the reference and he deleted it saying it is not in the reference. Maybe he can not read... could you please reinsert it? Thank you!213.142.96.62 (talk) 10:01, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Just FYI since I see you've been following the dispute, I've asked Doug Weller to look into the Turkic/East Asian genetics wars currently raging here, see User talk:Doug Weller#Edit warring over genetics between Hunan201p and DerekHistorian.--Ermenrich (talk) 00:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi, a section entitled "Rejection of Jewish Christianity" was recently deleted from the article Christianity in the 1st century - I remember that there was an article entitled "Split of Christianity and Judaism" which was merged to another article - was this part of that merge? Can you remember? It may be that "Split of Christianity and Judaism" was merged to Early Christianity, I can't recall - it may be that the "Rejection of Jewish Christianity" section did not belong in "Christianity in the 1st century", but I didn't want the information from the "Split of Christianity and Judaism" article to be lost - just wondering if you remember what went on to be sure the material is preserved - Epinoia (talk) 02:10, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
JJ, @Nizil Shah and Kautilya3: I saw your comments in the threads on Talk:Indo-Aryan migration. I hope you also saw the latest update by Narasimhan &....& Reich with supplement published by Science in September 2019. Unfortunately, the non-specialist reporters of the Indian media (newspapers and magazines) generally seem to lack the care and competence in reporting these findings. Their op-ed and news articles are neither accurate nor RS, each side betraying their bias. The journals papers are RS, but primary and best "quoted exact". Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:28, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Smithsonian magazine on this. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:41, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
"This suggests that the archaeologically documented spread of a shared package of plants and animal domesticates from diverse locations across this region was accompanied by bidirectional spread of people and mixture with the local groups they encountered."
"People of the BMAC were not a major source of ancestry for South Asians."
"AHG- and Iranian farmer–related groups were in contact well before [5400 to 3700 BCE) the time of the mature IVC at ∼2600 to 1900 BCE, as might be expected if the ancestry gradient was a major feature of a group that was living in the Indus Valley during the IVC."
Ancestry clines in Eurasia established after the advent of farming. [...] It is unlikely that the Indo-European languages spoken in South Asia today originate from the spread of farming from West Asia.
In particular, the fact that they [ASI, south Indians, Dravidians] harbor substantial Iranian farmer–related ancestry (via the Indus Periphery Cline) disproves earlier suggestions that the ASI might not have any ancestry related to West Eurasians.
Undeciphered is the IVC script. We do not know any IVC-stories or anything about IVC-stories. But your hypothesis makes sense: there must have been legends, myths and cultural knowledge that was borrowed and/or preserved from IVC into the early Vedic texts. The mighty Sarasvati-river story may or may not have IVC roots. Some notable statements from the Cell peer-reviewed paper by Vasant Shinde..et al...David Reich:
The individual [IVC genome] was from a population that is the largest source of ancestry for South Asians(no mass migrations overwhelmed the IVC or post-IVC populations; no extinction of IVC by floods or famine or invader's disease; Wheeler hypothesis was wrong; the non-IVC influence is smaller but significant in both ANI and ASI)
Iranian-related ancestry in South Asia split from Iranian plateau lineages >12,000 years ago
First farmers of the Fertile Crescent contributed little to no ancestry to later South Asians. [...] [The findings] contradict the hypothesis that the shared ancestry between early Iranians and South Asians reflects a large-scale spread of western Iranian farmers east.
These individuals [including the IVC] had little if any Steppe pastoralist-derived ancestry, showing that it was not ubiquitous in northwest South Asia during the IVC as it is today.(Steppe pastoralist-derived ancestry contribution arrived after IVC.)
These papers are worth a read. Anything from these papers into wikipedia articles should strictly follow our WP:Primary "exact quote" guidelines because there is much room to introduce OR and biased-interpretation/POV otherwise. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 10:27, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Lukacs and Hemphill suggest an initial local development of Mehrgarh, with a continuity in cultural development but a change in population. According to Lukacs and Hemphill, while there is a strong continuity between the neolithic and chalcolithic (Copper Age) cultures of Mehrgarh, dental evidence shows that the chalcolithic population did not descend from the neolithic population of Mehrgarh,[1] which "suggests moderate levels of gene flow."[1][a] Mascarenhas et al. (2015) note that "new, possibly West Asian, body types are reported from the graves of Mehrgarh beginning in the Togau phase (3800 BCE)."[2]
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This is regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmi_script. You have reverted my change citing "dispute" as reason. The objections raised here is political one. I have give valid references and the conclusion that earliest brahmi script dated to 6th century is based on archaeological evidences. FYI the materials with script were tested by foreign labs. Let us not suppress the FACT and keep the wikipedia up to date.
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Hi, sorry to hear about your recent harassment, but I do question if the blog [14] cited in the Etymology section of Early Christianity is a reliable source, per WP:BLOGS - it is anonymous and does not cite any reliable secondary sources - also, the blog itself states, "Please don’t believe anything that a man says or writes. That includes everything written in this Blog!" - it might be a good idea to remove this particular reference as an unreliable source - cheers - Epinoia (talk) 17:36, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huineng Could see lots of gaps in wiki's description of Huineng. Many translated verses are not aligned with the original text. Believe you have reverted all changes citing 'not constructive' - would appreciate if you could support with any proof on your conviction. Changes made are based on the original text in Chinese. Please note that Shenhui was not the successor of Huineng. Interesting to find out where you get that from? Many thanks for your kind consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.20.119 (talk) 23:48, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Today, I found to my horros that the Encyclopedia Britannica states that, according to "Ramayana", Takshasila was founded by Bharata's son Taksha. Upon investigation, it turns out that it is in the Uttarakanda [15]. When I was a child, everybody seemed to know that the Uttarakanda was a concoction. But now everybody seems to assume that it is a part of Ramayana. This needs some genuine clarification. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:06, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Divya Dwivedi (video clip) is the talk of the town. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:44, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
See here.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 19:44, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
FYI, I made a new copy pasta article: Gospel of Mark (intertextuality), from an open journal article by W. S. Vorster Old revision of Gospel of Mark (intertextuality) per WP:COPYPASTE policy to copy from open license. --2db (talk) 05:20, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Instead of simply reverting grammar edits to Buddhism it would be more constructive if you could engage with the reason the edits were made. The sentences are ungrammatical: you have adjectives where nouns should be and the result simply does not make sense. I am not concerned about the precise facts here, only that they be understood readily. If you care about the article, you should be concerned by that too. Rollo (talk) 04:56, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Joshua,
I would like to resolve a current dispute with you, concerning your comments to me on the Rig Veda talk page. Although it is in my nature to be blunt and direct, I'll try to soften my language and explain the issue from my perpective.
Your first comment about using primary sources conflicts with the primary sources article, which states:
"Secondary" is not, and should not be, a bit of jargon used by Wikipedians to mean "good" or "reliable" or "usable".
When you asked for a secondary source, which was provided, your response was quite hostile (and somewhat personal) as well, e.g. 'Great, 1873. You forgive if I'm not impressed?', as well as essentially ignoring the source to instead accuse me of imitating or copying blogs. I do not understand why you responded this way, and so would like to be open-minded and discuss. Carlduff (talk) 18:35, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi Joshua, There has been no consensus among editors, re. your references to DONTGETIT. I have made my point and you disagree. No one else has weighed in. That doesn't constitute a consensus. You still seem pretty hostile. Not sure what the problem is.
Mekinna1 (talk) 19:27, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Should there be an article about this subject? Please give your opinion here.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 15:08, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I think you may not know that Gryffindor is setting italics for dozens of yoga articles (basically, every pose listed in Template:Asanas) which is a bit of a headache. His point of view is that these are foreign words because they came from Sanskrit; however, they are in wide use in English, and have mostly been so for nearly a century (since Tirumalai Krishnamacharya in the 1930s for many asana names), and in the case of terms like Yoga, Asana, Brahmin, Pranayama for much longer. This is getting to be a bit of a headache (disruptive editing), so I would be grateful for some more eyes on the situation. Maybe you and Farang Rak Tham wouldn't mind keeping watch? I'm not asking for people to take "my side", whatever that is, but to join the discussion and deal with the matter rationally. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:04, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
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Hello Joshua, the use of personal letters in a biography of a living person, Ole Nydahl is not acceptable per WP:BLPSPS. I recommend to substitute Scherer´s self-published work(s) with Lewis, Todd (ed.); Scherer, Burkhard (author) (2014). Conversion, Devotion, and (Trans-)Mission Understanding Ole Nydahl. In Buddhists: Understanding Buddhism Through the Lives of Practitioners. Wiley. pp. 96–106. It is very similar to the self-published texts (available on the internet archive) and analyses some of these letters. JimRenge (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
So maybe there is no point in my jumping in here, as it seems that anything I say results in a heated reaction (or even if someone else says it and you think it was me) - but please if you can take a step back and engage in some dialogue I think we can reach some common ground. My intent is just to ensure that this person is treated fairly and to me it look like this article has been used as a means of attacking this guy. If the letters can't be used without first being quoted in someone else's article, then that's fine. I would just like to see the article have a more neutral tone and present more than just negative points of view. Mekinna1 (talk) 01:47, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Sometimes I see something amusing while editing, one editor specialized in trolling (claimed to be Jesus, converted his talk page into a redirect to Jimbo Wales and what not) copied other editors talk pages to his own talk page (show me a rule against it) [16]. Also learned about Sealioning [17] and realized that it happened to me at least once on wp. :) JimRenge (talk) 22:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
JJ, in case you haven't seen the scholarly translations and secondary sources on Weber Manuscript and Spitzer Manuscript, you may want to. The Spitzer Manuscript has quite an interesting discussion on Dukkha and Four Noble Truths... this 2nd-century CE copy of an older Buddhist treatise debates how 4NT works or is supposed to work!, whether the steps of 4NT happen sequentially or is an all at once insight.
There is much more in these and related manuscripts, including historic Buddhist and Hindu doctrines, and surviving fragments of a debate on debate itself. These collections found in ancient monasteries of northwest China on the Silk Route include both early Hindu and Buddhist texts, such as a strota. I have started/bandaged these articles in a summary overview form for now, with a few key scholarly sources, but a lot more depth could be added to each. You and others are most welcome to review and expand them. It would be nice if someone could start articles on a few other notable Central Asian Indic and non-Indic manuscripts. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 22:49, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
A "Cite error: The named reference Harris was invoked but never defined (see the help page)" occurs in the History of early Christianity starting with this edit of yours. Please correct this. Thank you. JohnThorne (talk) 22:05, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
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May your Holidays and the Year that follows shine as much as this coin still does beneath the tarnish of bygone weather and long use. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:23, 20 December 2019 (UTC) |
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Please look at the talk page of Proto-Indo-European homeland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proto-Indo-European_homeland You said "Wang et al. is already mentioned in the paragraph above; and they speak of 'south of the Caucasus', not specifically Iran." What is the name of country which is located in the south of the Caucasus? Armenian is itself a Caucasian country and it says the Caucasus just served as a corridor. And in the paragraph above of it, David Reich also says present-day Iran or Armenia, isn't it a specific mention to Iran?! --MojtabaShahmiri (talk) 08:34, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi JJ, Hope you are enjoying your holidays! If you have time, can you look into these edits? There are a lot of junky citations and the content is quite dubious. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:10, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
The talk of "Dasiputra Brahmanas" brought back the memory of Satyakama Jabala we were having some time ago:
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I think the Satyakama Jabala story gives us some idea of the caste system at that time. The question posed, "what family are you?" quizzes the birth. (I suspect that the English translation "family" probably refers to Sanskrit kulam, a highly understudied concept.) After the boy answered he didn't know, the teacher concluded he must be a Brahmin because he spoke the truth. This indicates the mixing of the varna and jati identity of Brahminhood, but it is the varna (identified by speaking of truth) that triumphed.
Notice also that the boy never interpreted "family" to mean the mother's family. Women didn't have any caste. That makes any idea of endogamy impossible. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Ms Sarah Welch undercut my argument saying that the boy also mentions mother's family. But I have checked the source cited on the page [22] and there is no such thing.
I believe my argument that the Vedic caste system followed the male line is valid. Moreover, the fact that indigenous mtDNA predominates the Indian mtDNA means that all Indians are dasiputras. The caste had to necessarily follow the male line. Necessity is the mother of invention. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
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