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KylieTastic (talk) 17:54, 26 June 2020 (UTC)An article you recently created, Jewish emergent network, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:
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Hello Secarctangent. I've noticed your edits about congressional slaveholders. I'd like to encourage you to continue. I've started doing a bit - alphabetical by 1st name - thru Absalom so far. Did you notice my article in The Signpost? Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-01-30/Black History Month
I'll suggest that you might want to use the following reference (though yours is pretty good too!)
There's a bit about the data on Wikidata there too, though I don't know a lot about Wikidata. If there is anything I can do, please let me know, Smallbones(smalltalk) 00:58, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
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I have no objections to someone being a slave owner being mentioned in their articles, even their lead sections potentially. However, I question the necessity of putting slave ownership first in the summaries of so many people. None of the people were notable because they were slave owners, so I don't get why it should be featured so early in the article. If you don't provide a good justification for putting it first, I'll move the mention of slave ownership to slightly later in the article. Alexschmidt711 (talk) 17:19, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
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Bkissin (talk) 15:41, 27 April 2022 (UTC)Just to let you know, I'm gonna go through the additions you made on congressional slaveowners and adjust them a little bit. While I agree that it is important to notate that these men were slaveowners, I think generally it is not WP:DUE to present this as the first identifier for 99% of these cases. Examples of these instances are Samuel Betts and Asa Biggs, where it is very shoehorned in. I think the instance in Thomas Hart Benton (politician) is a good example of how this should generally be included. Of course, some people like James Patton Anderson should have this identifier clearly in the lede, as it is a major aspect of their biography. Curbon7 (talk) 21:14, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
I notice that this issue has arisen again. Except in rare circumstances where a person's notability derives primarily from their slave ownership, it is clearly WP:UNDUE to describe a person as a "slave owner" at the start of the lede sentence, before the other major attributes for which they were known, especially if the discussion of slave ownership in the article is minor and there are other much more historically significant factors that make the subject WP notable. Ergo Sum 11:20, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
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RE: [1]. Per MOS:LEAD, the lead of an article should be a general overview of an article. In exact the MOS states "The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies.", with the addendum of "Do not violate WP:Neutral point of view by giving undue attention to less important controversies in the lead section.". This additions to the lead of this article is simply WP:UNDUE; while it can and probably should be mentioned within the body of the article, it violates the MOS for inclusion in the lead. I wanted to open communication with you directly instead of starting a revert-war, as I feel you are a well-intentioned editor. Curbon7 (talk) 22:44, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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"No rationale"? WP:POV was the rationale, as I said in my edit summary. Just because something is "sourced" doesn't mean it belongs. And your POV was noticeable; the source talks about Central and South America, where it's legal, and doesn't refer to U.S. drug scheduling. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:14, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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I'm basically saying the same thing you were told before by other users. First off, it's fine that you're adding this information. No complaints there. And yes, slavery was extremely horrible and this isn't an attempt to defend slavery - I've reverted plenty of Lost Causers on other articles. But shaming slaveholders on this does not necessarily mean doing this in the very first sentence unless that is what the sources do. This is simply a matter of proper English presentation and accuracy to sources: one Washington Post article does not override everything else written about someone. Wikipedia should reflect the sources.
Additionally, you wrote in your edit summary "if someone was a murderer, would you say it wasn't notable simply because plenty of people commit murders?" First off, I never said it wasn't notable, I just moved the information to not be literal-first-thing-said-about-them prominence. Secondly, we absolutely do not mention murders as the first thing about people if they're more notable for other things. Henry VIII murdered Anne Boleyn, it's not the first thing said. Or for a more modern example, Edward Kennedy caused the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, and that isn't the first thing said about them either. Or for another more modern example, here's an edit of me ADDING a murder of Harlon Carter to the lede, but it still isn't "First sentence" worthy because his actions as head of the NRA were frankly more important, his crime was as a teenager, and most importantly that the incident was fairly obscure in the sources on him - the problem with Carter wasn't his murder, it was has awful-but-influential politics. The point is, we don't always lead an encyclopedia entry with all the crimes the subject ever committed in the first sentence. This is even more obvious when talking about "reformed" people who committed a crime but then got their life back on track, and shouldn't be defined by the very worst thing they ever did.
Look, if you want to add slaveholding information to articles, please do. But it shouldn't go in the first sentence unless that is also how the sources depict the person, e.g. because they were a notable part of the slavery debate. The Washington Post data is not enough here. SnowFire (talk) 01:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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I see you have been warned about this before, in March 2022, May 2022, and now in February 2023. As other users have said, for example on the edit summaries for Robert E. Withers, please be more careful about how you add this information to Wikipedia. It does not necessarily belong in the lede, let alone the first sentence, and is unlikely to belong in the first clause of the first sentence. Please also check whether the information is already mentioned in the article, for example Robert Witherspoon.
The Washington Post source is just a database; all it tells us is whether a person owned slaves. There is zero further information or analysis of that person. Therefore, to add this information to the beginning of the first sentence of, for example, Samuel H. Woodson (Missouri politician), is WP:Original research. In certain cases, such as George D. Wise (politician), I think your edit is correct, because it is backed up by the other sources. In short, please think a little more carefully about your edits rather than just simply adding the information to the beginning of every article.
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No one has told you to remove the information, the problem is putting it at the beginning of the first sentence.
The relevant policy is Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, which says "According to the policy on due weight, emphasis given to material should reflect its relative importance to the subject, according to published reliable sources."
An entry in the Washington Post database is not enough, by itself, to establish that slave ownership is the most important fact about someone. Samuel H. Woodson (Missouri politician) is notable for being a politician, not for being a slave owner. Therefore, the article should describe him first as a politician, not as a slave owner.
You may think slave ownership is "the most notable thing about [an] individual in question" (your words), but unless you can produce a source that says so, that is just your opinion, which makes it Original Research.
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