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Thanks for your input. Drop the socialist myth thing though, these are supposed to be actually true ;) - FrancisTyers 17:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't know what nationality you purport to be, but I'm fairly convinced that there was a Macedonian national consciousness prior to Tito. Furthermore I have the non-Macedonian, neutral third party references to show it. Do you? - FrancisTyers 19:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
PS. That first appeared on the talk page of User:Hassion who edited your comment. - FrancisTyers 19:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I think all national ideology is a myth and nationalists are useful idiots. Be it Macedonian, Montenegrin, Bulgarian, Serbian, Greek, Moldovan, Romanian, English, Irish, whatever. Nationalism in the Balkans is quite young, perhaps 200-300 years at max. Bulgarian nationalist ideology is only as legitimate as Macedonian nationalist ideology. - FrancisTyers 19:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
...a nationalist is intellectually compromised... How would you describe Bush for example, beside the fact that he's not intellectual...-but if it were...Hmm..maybe is not the best example, let's say Clinton...is he not nationalist? I doubt it, but he covers himselfs....-Hassion 20:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Interesting. I see now clearly much better. --Hassion 19:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
What about European national ideology? Does it exists so far? No. It exists only as german, french, brittish, spanish...national ideology. --Hassion 19:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Can you add four {Hassion 19:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)} to sign your edits? Would be very appreciated, --Hassion 19:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
You are in danger of reporting about violating 3RR rule on Macedonian orthodox church. Please discuss why you are deleting important info on the talk page. MatriX 10:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
While I remain so far unconvinced, you may like to link to this. Also I added Romanian, enjoy! :) - FrancisTyers 19:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Haha, more like 6! you forgot Zlatiborian and Bunjevac. They don't call it BCSMxyZ for nothing! :) - FrancisTyers 19:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
If you speak Albanian I'd love the input on this page :P - FrancisTyers 19:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Some examples of literal translations from other languages:
Hope that helps :) If not, then basically the phrase is a slogan opposing national borders. - FrancisTyers 19:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, have you never heard a similar expression? Is it possible to express this in Albanian? - FrancisTyers 19:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Des tis syneisfores mou amesws prin... NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 21:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Siga mhn to afhna! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 21:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Përshendetje Telex. Flm për përkrahjen në artikujt e mëhershëm. Nga je?Ilir pz 20:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Your comment was very intelligent and I agree with you on some points. However, I would like to ask you why there are no more Macedonians living in the Greek part of Macedonia. Also, let me ask you why Greece doesn't want Macedonia to be named "Macedonia", even though the whole point of that word is to indicate the land where Macedonians live. Since you proved to me that there are almost no Macedonians in Greek Macedonia, why call it Macedonia? Why not change the name of a province, instead of a country? Why is Greece more important then Macedonia, and who decides that?? --serbiana - talk 22:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, I still don't agree with some of your points about Macedonia, but let's just agree to disagree. As far as your userpage is concerned, I'd like to help. Bosnia and Herzegovina is a country that consists of two entities: Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Republika Srpska, so don't put the Federation flag, because thats only one part of Bosnia. If you have further questions, do not hesitate to ask me. :-) --serbiana - talk 23:49, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
You asked for my help, and I never heard from you again. What's wrong? --serbiana - talk 00:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Sure, no problem. Like I said, you're welcome to revert. :) Cheers, —Khoikhoi 09:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=distincta&source= --Steaua 13:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I am afraid that your acitons, ilirpz, are agains 3rr. I hope you will refrain. My reasons are properly discussed on talk page. If you have something to add, please join me there, under any of your identities. --Manojlo 15:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
However, you've missed 2 flags and one of the languages - I'll fix & sign.
I think that adding both Cyrillic and Latin fr some is inevitable. The Montenegrin language officially uses the Cyrillic and then Latin; but in actual usage, the Latin scrypt is much more preferred - and if you place it there, you have to place both versions elsewhere. --HolyRomanEmperor 17:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
So, you are not a nationalist, but you made sure Serbo-Croatian is divided in 25 different languages, according to nations? Rather interesting :) --dcabrilo 17:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
The country has been unconstitutionally annexed by the Kingdom of Serbia in 1918 - which was approved by its transitional government. I consider that the Montenegrins and Serbs are one people - and that the life in one Kingdom of Serbia was a good solution. But too many errors were made, expecially which can be seen in the 1920s - too many errors so that Montenegro deserves to be independent once more, so that it gainst the old prestige that it simply ceised to have when it joined Serbia. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
For instance - the transitional government, the "Great Serbian Assembly of Podgorica" was unconstitutional. Second of all, the annexation entirely deposed Montenegro's dynasty - the House of Njegoš - look what happenned to Nikola I Petrović Njegoš - the longest Serbian ruler in the history. Next, over a million Serbians are of Montenegrin origin. All of Montenegro's effforst in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries were strictly to help Serbia and all Serbs across the world - and how did Serbia pay back to Montenegro? By making it an insignificant part of it, eating its prestige and dethroning the House of Petrović - which had more claims to the unified throne than either the House of Karađorđević or House of Obrenović. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I happened to have read your posting on HRE's discussion page. The Bosnian language can be disputed. However, most Serbs living in Bosnia (some due to free will and others due to nationalistic sentiment) claim that they speak Serbian. It is evident that Serbian uses Cyrillic officially. In Bosnian most Bosniaks and Croatians do not like/are against the use of Cyrillic. Look at it this way, Bosnia and Herzegovina officially recognizes three languages: Bosnian, Croatian, and Serbian. Serbian is the language that uses Cyrllic and that is how people sometimes tend to mix up Bosnian as using cyrllic. Even at the Bosnian Language Wikipedia only the Latin script is used. Cyrllic is not preffered by most Bosnian speakers. I, for instance, along with many Bosnians who had to leave Bosnia due to the war, do not know Cyrllic. Cyrllic does not represent all Bosnian speakers, while Cyrllic represents all Serbian speakers. Cyrllic in Bosnian is used at a minimal, minimal, minimal level, as latin is used at a large, large, larger level. You cannot even compare it close to the countries of Serbia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Russia, Ukraine, etc. It is used a really really low level, and when it is used it is refered to as Serbian.
Thanks, Kseferovic 20:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I moved the Cyrillic because it's primary for the Serbian language. I replaced the Serbo-Croat flag by the standard Pan-Slavic flag, since the current flag resembles in reality the state of SFRJ, and not the language. I also changed the flag of Montenegro to Montenegrins' popular (national) flag. --HolyRomanEmperor 09:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to get into discussions about others, but leave the Macedonans alone already. Claims that Macedonians were invented by Tito are ridiculous to any reasonable person. By claiming that you wont change a single Macedonian mind about his ethnicity, you will only help spread balkan nationalistic poison even further. You claim to be a cosmopolitan, not nationalist - but the judgement about what you really are will come not by what you have written about yoursefl, but by what people think about your oppinions. --Realek 21:51, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
If you want to belive it, be my guest. But it's not true that you are not writing it in the articles. You are heavily POV pushing. Please stop it. You can't impose a nationality to me. Your attempts make you look really bad! --Realek 22:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
How about the Macedonians article? --Realek 22:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
You didnt write it, but you did revert to this irational position. --Realek 22:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
You are not "mentioning" it, but you are heavily distorting the article and falsifying historic facts. Thank you for your "simpathy" for my view about my nationality, but you, that governor and other similar types don't get to decide about my national feelings. BTW is your claim that you are a cosmopolitan and not a nationalist supposed to be ironic? It surely looks that way. --Realek 22:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
No matter how many accounts you create, you can't hide the truth. --Realek 23:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex,
What are we going to do about this guy? He's obviously POV-pusing. —Khoikhoi 00:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure about this situation as Pontic is apparently not mutually intelligible with Greek. I understand it may be considered a dialect by Greeks, but if they can't understand each other, that to me seems to be a different language. Tombseye 20:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry about my editing. I'm new to this site so, can you help me?205.202.85.5 13:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex,
Could you please help me out over on the Adana and Ardahan pages? Much appreciated, —Khoikhoi 14:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex. Did you semi-protect Vlachs? I'm asking because if you did, I have to inform you that I believe only administrators can semi-protect articles. --Aldux 16:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Sweet. :D —Khoikhoi 01:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Ευχαριστώ :-) TheArchon 09:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Δε νομίζεις ότι κάτι λείπει απ' όλα τα άρθρα; Αν δεχθούμε, κατ αρχάς, ότι το άρθρο πρέπει να δείχνει (α) πώς αναφέρεται η χώρα από τους διεθνείς οργανισμούς (fYRoM & RoM) και (β) πώς αναφέρεται από τους κατοίκους (RoM), τότε δεν πρέπει να υπάρχει και η Αλβανική ονομασία; Στο κάτω-κάτω αναγνωρισμένη γλώσσα είναι... (btw, I am assuming that you know Greek, but if you are not comfortable with it, we can switch to English -either way, your posting a message in Greek was much appreciated) TheArchon 09:58, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
...last polls say 57% of the population will vote for independence. --HolyRomanEmperor 10:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Interesting... btw Telex are you an Arvanite? I hope you aren't offended by my question, but you seem to speak Greek and Albanian -- which points toward it. Although equally you could just be an Albanian in Greece. Don't feel obliged to respond if you would prefer to keep your ethnicity private. Regards :) - FrancisTyers 14:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what your intention was here, but I don't think this comment was neccisary or polite. --InShaneee 16:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
It should be "Здравейте, имам само една отличителна черта: космополит съм, а не националист." — word order is somewhat different in Bulgarian in that case. Besides, I believe "гражданин на света" is the way most people would say "cosmopolitan", although the word "космополит" exists with the same meaning — it's just a bit less popular. Greetings from Bulgaria :) → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 18:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Good edits, although the ECRI thing is a quote and not something that Amnesty International is saying. I guess you'd have to check out the pages I'm really happy with to see if I write neutrally or not, viz. Mythical origins of language, Leprechaun, History of machine translation, Sudanese literature. I do tend to knock up a lot of stubs in a hurry when I see they are missing. And being told to edit in an NPOV manner by someone who cites this is pretty funny :P - FrancisTyers 21:38, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
You're a nice guy Telex. I'm glad that editors like you exist. Miskin 22:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
The link you put in the talk page (e-grammes.gr) is from a nationalist organisation (Elliniko Metopo). Although I marginally agree with this article, I do not consider their general views mainstream in any way. Too far-right for my taste. -- Avg 23:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Të falemnderoj nga zemra per medaljen. Do ta vë në faqen time të parë, ne shenje rrespekti. Shpresoj te kontribuojme se bashku ne te ardhmen. (transl. I thank you from my heart for the awarded medal. I will therefore put it in my front page, in sign of respect for you. Hope to contribute together further in the near future) Ilir pz 22:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Ilir pz 00:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
23:56, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
You are welcome to contribute.
Best, Ilir pz 01:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC
Nobody has asked your opinion.Mind your own business...
You must have "Turkish Blood" to have Turkish specialties.So it's impossible... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.102.254.195 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 3 May 2006
Don't you know what you are?
Cause i said what Shakespeare told about jews and i've deleted anyone's comment by mistake.But the real reason is that i know so much things...
I've started the show realities about armenian genocide and intrigues of jews(not to articles).If you criticize those issues, well you will be banned for sure...
I don't, but I went to University in Wales (University of Wales Aberystwyth) and I have friends that do. :) - FrancisTyers 17:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I heard that too! - FrancisTyers 17:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
A cosmopolitan normally wouldn't push an Albano-Greek agenda :) It seems like people are accusing you of that. HRE has some different ideas about Serbian history which happen to coincide with certain nationalist views, which is probably why he gets called a nationalist. On Wikipedia you tend to find people who self-identify as "cosmopolitan" have something to hide ;) Sometimes it is harmless, sometimes not. - FrancisTyers 18:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for warning me! Bomac 17:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Why?!? Bomac 19:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Ahaaa... No, I don't want privacy. Грк (Grk) is the name for a Greek in Macedonian. Bomac 20:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Sure am sceptical... Miskin usually speaks about territorial pretensions towards Greece when mentioning Macedonian language... Bomac 20:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
You can't be a cosmopolitan ;-)
And - Спасиба, Телекс! Здравствуй! Gosh, I know a bit of Русский! And a bit of Українська! Bomac 21:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Yup ;-) BTW, don't you know that one of the rare things that makes Macedonians and Greeks the same is the eastern orthodoxy and Easter? Or maybe I'm wrong? Bomac 22:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Too many different peoples on such a tiny space... Simply nationalism is boiling in their hot-heads... And it can be much better... Bomac 22:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Faliminderit! Përshëndetje (I hope I didn't said smt. wrong) Bomac 22:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey again. Could you help me out on the Batman, Turkey and Batman Province pages? I have to go now. —Khoikhoi 19:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not Bonaparte. I was just reporting a suspected open proxy (217.11.42.142) that appears to be used by Bonaparte to evade his ban. If you think that constitutes me being Bonaparte, your thought process is most likely wrong. --69.117.7.84 19:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm gonna write your quote in Turkish...here it comes:
"Selam, benim sadece tek bir ayırt edici karakterim var: Ben bir kozmopolitanım, milliyetçi değil."
To Telex:
Freedom of speech is different from spreading of FYROM propaganda. When someone claims that the "original macedonian name of Thessaloniki" is "Solun", a name used for thousands of years now (he doesn't even know how this compound word was formed), it doesn't show ignorance; it's intentional. Please help to remove propaganda, if you're more familiar with Wikipedia and it's "policies" (I'm all in for different political views, theories and history translations, but I won't allow it to continue like that). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.74.190 (talk • contribs)
I made a contribution, sourced it, and made a comment in the talk page. It was then reverted, so i reverted it back and asked for an explanation, other than a superficial one such as propaganda, in the talk page. WP advocates the use of the talk page to work through issues, however nobody seems to use it in this case. Due to this attitude i continue to revert, and am now threatened with banning? If my edit is so blatantly biased, how hard is it to prove to me in the talk page? Anything less is just childish.Suicup 13:21, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok but Byzantine and Modern Greek (other than Athenian or standardised) spells it "πόλην". I don't see where Ancient Greek fits into Istanbul's etymology. Miskin 17:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
It is like that. "Από την Πόλην έρχομαι την αστραποκαμένην" as the poem says. Anyway we can leave it as it is, it's not important. Miskin 19:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Where are you from? Miskin 19:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Also, please don't delete ((fact)) templates. It's Wikipedia policy (see WP:V) to mark any dubious statements with those until a reliable source is found supporting them. Happy editing, Telex 13:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[citation needed].
Is it wikipedia policy to paste ((fact)) templates every where just because you don't like an article. Please have a look at where i removed the templates before making such comments. Bretagne 44 14:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I've seen them, no sources are cited, there is no proof that they are true. That is why they should be marked. Telex 14:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Why don't you go and look for the sources then, it would be a lot more constructive. Mmm, i like this template thing, i can just march around wikipedia and put them where ever i want because most quotes have no citations, so where should i start? Bretagne 44 14:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
No but I think you politics cloud your judgment. For example a citation template on the “The constitutional status of Cornwall, in the southwest of Great Britain, is the subject of ongoing debate [citation needed]”.!?
Apart from providing links to pressure groups who question the constitutional status of Cornwall it also contains information on the Cornish foreshore case which witnessed the Duchy itself take the crown to court concerning the status of Cornwall, yet a citation is still need for this statement.
The there is “The Kilbrandon Report (1969–1971) into the British constitution recommends that, when referring to Cornwall official sources should cite the Duchy not the County. This was suggested in recognition of its constitutional position [citation needed]”.
The citation is the Killbrandon report, oh la la!
The we have this classic already discussed on the Cornish people page “Cornishmen and women continued to regard themselves as descendents of Corineus until well into the early modern period.[citation needed]”
How about Dr Mark Stoyle, West Britons, Cornish Identities and the Early Modern British State; chap 1 page 13. ISBN 0 85989 688 9, University Of Exeter Press.
Come on try and learn about the subject before you get involved.
Bretagne 44 14:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
No but I think you politics cloud your judgment. For example a citation template on the “The constitutional status of Cornwall, in the southwest of Great Britain, is the subject of ongoing debate [citation needed]”.!?
Apart from providing links to pressure groups who question the constitutional status of Cornwall it also contains information on the Cornish foreshore case which witnessed the Duchy itself take the crown to court concerning the status of Cornwall, yet a citation is still need for this statement.
The there is “The Kilbrandon Report (1969–1971) into the British constitution recommends that, when referring to Cornwall official sources should cite the Duchy not the County. This was suggested in recognition of its constitutional position [citation needed]”.
The citation is the Killbrandon report, oh la la!
The we have this classic already discussed on the Cornish people page “Cornishmen and women continued to regard themselves as descendents of Corineus until well into the early modern period.[citation needed]”
How about Dr Mark Stoyle, West Britons, Cornish Identities and the Early Modern British State; chap 1 page 13. ISBN 0 85989 688 9, University Of Exeter Press.
Come on try and learn about the subject before you get involved.
Bretagne 44 14:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
1) Is it only the government that can debate such issues, thats news to me? Are you denying the existence of the Cornish foreshore case?
2) Yes they are the exact words, go read the report.
3) Feel free to make this change.
Bretagne 44 14:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, double standards. First you say is accurate and then you don't agree with it. C'mon, admit that when the issue is Greece/Macedonia, your ,,cosmopolity" dissapears and turns into POV. Bomac 15:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah, sure, sure. Wonder how did you guessed that ? Bomac 16:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd just saved my comment as you made the note on my talk page :) - FrancisTyers 18:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Kαιρε Telex :-) First, let me say that you were right about the tag; I shouldn't have removed, and I promise I'll try to be a good boy from now on ;-) As for the poll, there was one that took place some time ago; it was before I started editing this page, so I thought it was the reason behind the present name. I've given a look at the poll and it was a draw; as you said, it was an arbitrary move by a user. The non-balkan editors judged that adding the parenthesis (ethnic group) would have beem a sufficient guarantee, and as such moved it to its present location. Ciao--Aldux 17:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Instead of using negations - "non Slavic", why dont you just put "greek speaking". That sure will stir the waters. FunkyFly 19:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, darling! ;)
You have yahoo?
I'm talking about messenger.
Hmm...anyway.
Could you please check the image Image:Bulgarian postmark.jpg and tell me whether you believe the claimed GFDL. Did the user create the stamp - I'm not sure which licence goes on stamps, but I don't think that's the one. User:Pulvis angelus and his alter ego Vlatkoto seem to slap copyright tags on randomly. Telex 23:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I have realy different odpinion than yours, i agree not with, european union is darkend by "Greek democracy". It's raely a sad story. Shame on you and your land, How can you be so blind. Vlatko 02:18, 07 May 2006 (UTC)
Could you take a look at the stub I started on the Ohrid Agreement please... I'm fairly sure I've made some mistakes and would like someone who actually knows about it to review it. - FrancisTyers 00:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
You have an email as well. -- Avg 10:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia are illegally occupying Macedonia, with the expiration of the Bucharest treaty in 2012, all Macedonians rise up and take back what is rightfully ours.
so please stop posting on my talk page, cause i dont want any more propaganda on it, go post your crap on some greek usa school website.
i have just this to say.
1-Wich country in the world is called and known as Macedonia?? that's right, The republic of Macedonia;)
2- Wich Language in the world is called and known as Macedonian?? that's right, the language of the Republic of Macedonia, the one you call "Slav dialect" ;)
3- Wich People in the world are called and known as Macedonians?? that's right, the real macedonians in Republic of macedonia, aegean macedonia and pirin macedonia, not the greeks ;)
4- How is Alexander the great and Filip II Called and known in the world?? that's right, as Alexander of Macedonia, the Macedonian, and Filip of Macedonia, every man & historian call them Macedonians or of Macedonia, not Alexander of Greece. ;)
5- With what nation in the world is the Sun of Kutlesh(vergina) Known?? that' right, with the real macedonians in Republic of macedonia, aegean macedonia and pirin macedonia, not the greeks ;)
so conclusion, we are known as macedonians, alexander is known as macedonian and everything is about us is known as macedonian, real macedonian, not greeks. so you can discuss, demonstrate, lobby and try to collect proof as much as you want my friend, but it has no sense, we are known as macedonians and all we have all our history is known as macedonian, the world already made up his own mind. and you or any other propagandic so called Greek can nothing do about it, you could in the past and you did and somewhere even succeeded, but that time is over. the truth is coming out, every day more and more, and the greeks are looked ashamed every day more and more. Gia Mas ! and take a Ouzo to soften your suffering, cause from now one the greeks will suffer only more and more.
oh yeah and you know what? Greeks have problems with Macedonia, Turkey, Bulgaria and Albania. problem with everyone, and you keep blaiming them, why dont you just start looking for the problem at yourself, you make problems with everyone, the only country in the EU. so i think and its obvious you are the ones with a big problem and you are to be blaimed. dont you think you are the ones who are wrong?? since you have problems on 4 fronts?? --Makedonia 11:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
oooh so you are a B(v)ulgari haha, well you and greeks are the same though, both nations from Asia or africa, god knows where you all come from.
but it doesnt matter, lets just stop posting on eachothers pages, it makes no sense, i cant change your mind and you can not change mine. lets just mind our own bussines then. maybe this will be the only thing you will agree with me, if you are open minded, i hope so. greetings --Makedonia 12:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah you should, AVG --Makedonia 12:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Why I have again the strange feeling that we have already met many times in the past (under other user names of course):) Who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I'm just curious. However, you doesn't have to answer this, I just wanted to say what I mean...MatriX 12:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Christ, I just read above o______O - FrancisTyers 15:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
In response to your question, see my note on the talk page. - FrancisTyers 15:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Don't you think that a poll would be a good idea for the issue? And why did you redirected Macedonians (ethnic group) to disambig.? Bomac 20:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
So, this is smt. like The world vs. Greeks? BTW, are you sure that there are only Greeks who are misleaded with this term? 'Caus my friend Yanis certainly doesn't gets misleaded... I've told you, everybody looks Ancient Macedonians in antiquity. Bomac 20:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I've put an example poll on the page, I welcome your comments. - FrancisTyers 21:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I once met a Greek guy who told me "Albanians, they're all criminals you know". I don't know what would be better for the purposes of the poll probably Albanian, but to be honest if it seems like there is obvious nationalistic vote stacking I may well include Albanian/Bulgarian into the partisan mix. Think about it this way, Greece has 11 million people, Macedonia has 2 million people, why doesn't Greece just vote Macedonia out of existence ? :)) - FrancisTyers 22:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Quick work, Telex! I had barely finished typing my complaint -- did you really respond to that?? Thank you so much either way. Regards, ImpuMozhi 23:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Που δεν μάρκαρα και τα υπόλοιπα που έγραψε - δεν τα είχα προσέξει. talk to +MATIA 11:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I added some greek names.I did it because i saw greek places such as Thassos,Kastelorizo and others having turkish names.Why was that?Is turkish an official language in thassos or kastelorizo?I added greek in Istanbul because the city was greek,greeks live there and even the name of the city is greek (istanbul=is tin polin ,in the city).I did he same to izmir and trabzon for the same reasons.
Just a quick note, I think your additions are ok, but the references incomplete, please add full bibliographic entries to the references part, or is that the other way round, full reference to the bibliography? - FrancisTyers 20:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 21:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
. I like those icons FunkyFly 22:37, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
To be honest, I would like to go to sleep (this is a really long night, I think you would agree). Please see the current Bitola version and tell me if it is OK for you. MatriX 23:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Sostos, to eixa sta yp'opsin na bro kati antistixo. Oso gi auto pou mou eipes peri 'enomenis makedonias', ouden sxoleion. Kathenas me tin trella tou. Miskin 00:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Nationalism and stuff between Greeks/Slavomacedonians/Bulgarians/Serbs appears to exist only in certain people's minds... NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 11:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex :-) The problem is that you give too much importance to my opinion; I only attempt to propose a view that can be accepted as verifiable and reasonable by all moderate editors of both parts. That these edits are correct, or reflect my personal POV (all of us has one); it's for this that a molteplicity of editors help producing better articles. Also, if I edit you, you shouldn't take this as a critical judgement of your work; far from this, I appreciate immensely the work you're doing for furthering NPOV in areas so conflictual as the Balkans and Turkey. Ciao, Aldux 13:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello Bomac, hello Telex. You may see this example. Quote: "Οι Μακεδόνες και οι Ηπειρώτες απόδημοι στη Βαλκανική Χερσόνησο, με τη σκληρή τους εργασία και το επιχειρηματικό τους πνεύμα, κατόρθωσαν να αποκτήσουν τεράστια χρηματικά ποσά" translation:"The Macedonians and the Epirots emigrants in the Balkan Peninsula, with their hard work and their bussiness spirit, achieved in acquiring enormous fortunes". I hope that Bomac will relay that, to any friend of his who has the same question. Take care! talk to +MATIA 07:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex. You should really think about making an archive page. Your talk page is 63 kb long. It shouldn't be like that. To see how to archive a page, go to Wikipedia:How to archive a page. Bye. CrnaGora (Talk/Contribs/E-mail/Edit Count) 21:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
It seems that User:Greier thinks he is smart if he introduces his "material" as text already in there (in an attempt to have me banned for 3RR, I guess), and then signs in as an IP to introduce the same change with a slightly different wording. Is it time to call for the banning of Greier (who also, btw, has erased the countless warnings and short-period bans he has received in the past)? Dahn 12:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey man, can I get your input on the talk page regarding the map I added? - FrancisTyers 12:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex. Do you know anything about the Pomaks, or simply have any interest in the argument? Because there would be a question regararding them that should be resolved, only I'm afraid to generate a mass revolt by Bulgarian editors. There are at present two articles, Pomaks and Muslim Bulgarians, which must be merged, as they speak exactly of the same thing. The question is the title: scholarship and good sense wood make me opt for Pomaks, as it's overwhelingly used in pubblications and the web, while the Bulgarians will certainly want Muslim Bulgarians. Honestly, I'm not certain I want to give start to a possible dispute, so also for this I wanted to hear you first. Opinions? Ciao!--Aldux 18:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks for the information. But I cannot help but notice that you are awfuly experienced in wikipedia for a newbie. Assuming good faith I will go no further with this... --Realek 20:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Then you should make an effort to fix all the articles of greeks born during the time Greece was under Ottoman rule. Greece also didn't exist then. --Realek 21:28, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I can unite with Greece? Are you trying to say that Milosevic proposed that Canada should unite with Greece? I'm from Canada, buddy :-) --serbiana - talk 23:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
God no! We have enough trouble with the Montenegrins, all we need is 11 million Greeks... --serbiana - talk 23:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
It's a stupid idea. Greeks are one of the biggest nationalists in Europe, after the French, it's not a good idea to get involved with them... --serbiana - talk 23:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Thats what CNN would like you to think. --serbiana - talk 23:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex. Maybe you could redirect the Albanians in Greece to point at Cham Albanians? or at least say that a part of Cham Albanians live in Greece. You could start that article, as you are the most informed I suppose. Ilir pz 13:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Tha sou fanei periergo, alla tosin ora pou synomilousame sti selida tou lyr, eixa tin entyposi oti milousa me ton realek, gi auto eferna synexeia os paradeigma ta slabomakedonika (ta opoia exoun ontos theorithei apo pollous boulgariki dialektos). Molis katalaba oti isoun esy. Ta arbanitika pantos de miliontai stin ipeiro opos deixnei o xartis. Exeis dei to antistixo xarti stin Macedonian language? Pros stigmin pistepsa pos kai o albanikos eixe ta idia kinitra. Mporei na kano lathos. Miskin 23:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Me sygxoreis gia tin pareksigisi. Miskin 23:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Ton gnorizo auton ton xarti. Tis Hpeirou omos oi albanofonoi itan tsamides pou efygan/ekdioxtikan meta ton 2o pagkosmio. Den itan Arbanites. Miskin 23:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
H prothesi tous kai mono itan thrasitati. Den mporo na katalabo pos bgainoun apo merikes piges oi 200,000 slabofonoi. Tis trixes tous metrane? Miskin 23:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Sigoura tha yparxoun Slabofonoi alla sigoura oxi 200 xiliarika. Tourkoi pou einai gyro sta 100 yparxoun kai tous exo dei, gi auto mou fainetai perioergo pou oi Slaboi krybontai toso kala. Des mia pigi pou eixa parathesei kapote kai tin apopsi tis sta slabomakedonika [7]. O syggrafeas den einai glossologos alla milaei Slabika. Yparxoun glossologoi pou ta theoroun Boulgarika, o monos logos pou ginetai i diaforopoiisi einai i monimi gkrinia tous. Miskin 00:08, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Ha! Toutos mou fainetai pos einai o xeiroteros ap'olous. Ton exo balei sto mati. Miskin 00:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
ntin ntan, exeis ki'allo mhnymataki... NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 00:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Prepei epigontos na eisigithoume arthro en onomati ellinomakedones (sta agglika). Miskin 17:07, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Stin elliniki wikipedia to sbisane me ti logiki "makedonas gia emas simainei ellinas, ara to 'ellinomakedonas' einai pleonasmos". Edo omos opos katalabaineis auti i logiki den ifistatai, opote den nomizo na yparksei tetoiou eidous problima. Piges yparxoun, exo mia sta yp'opsin, alla to xrisimopoiei kapos pio syggekrimena (tout'estin, ellines pou metanastepsan apo ti makedonia stin australia stis arxes tou 20ou aiona). 17:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Mallon tin idia pigi exoume. Miskin 17:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
"Then in the early 1920's the Muslim population was cleansed by deporting most Muslims to Turkey and importing a large Christian Turk population from Asia Minor and other parts of Turkey." Ha-ha, zoa. Eimai periergos an auta ontos ta pisteuouni i apla i amorfosia tous ftanei se tetoious bathmous. Miskin 18:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Considering your posts and edits, you're as much cosmopolitan as Adolf Hitler was!
As a reply to your warning posted to me: I reverted it only once, as a result of a vandalism from FunkyFly. In my prior editing I only made the article as neutral as possible; if you reread it, as a "cosmopolitan" you should be able to see that my edit intended to stop the ridiculous edit-war, and made no conclusion regarding Goce Delchev's nationality - this way nobody should be offended.
By the way, your Macedonian translation is incorrect.
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IPm
Mpa den ton gnorizo. Miskin 18:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Thaumasia arxi! Tha bgaloun spiria kapoioi. Miskin 18:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I would be willing to support an unblocking provided that he is on probation (1RR), is banned from editing articles relating to Serbs or Serbia (including Kosovo), and/or is assigned a mentor. I've seen him cause a lot of trouble (perhaps in good faith, perhaps not) on Serbia related articles. I would be happy to see him editing articles relating to Albania. Let me know what you think. - FrancisTyers 23:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Sure, there are plenty of Serbs who are assholes, but we aren't discussing that here, we're discussing Hipi Zhdripi. Had the rôles been reversed, and this was say, User:Nexm0d (seriously, check that guy out — he's like ultra-hyper-mega-Serb — I bet he sleeps with the Serbian flag above his head and has a lifesize tattoo of Milosevic's head on his back) I would be equally as strict. In fact, if you want to bring a case against him, go ahead. - FrancisTyers 15:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Asterion talk to me has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding ((subst:smile)) or ((subst:smile2)) to their talk pages. Happy editing!
How did'n anybody think of this before? Why didn't anybody find sources for something so necessary, so obvious and so disambiguating? Congratulations cosmopolitan. Now we have work expanding it... NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 22:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I added another source: The Oxford Illustrated History of the First World War The Germans initially planned to annex only a `frontier strip' of Polish territory (from which, however, Slavs and Jews would be cleared) --Molobo 23:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
OK - this is a souce I can live with :-) --Telex 23:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Den prepei se kamia periptosi na allaksei to simeioma. Eixame symfonisei me to Francis na min allaksei onoma tou arthrou (px se Macedonian (Slavic)) ef'oson yparxei ena kalo dab. An allaksei to dab tote exoume dikaioma na allaksoume onomasia tou arthrou. Miskin 12:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC) Min anisyxeis, o Francis tha mas ypostiriksei. Mou eixe pei pos an to bgaloun tha to epanaferei. Miskin 12:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
An thes to allazoume, kai Slavos/mi-slavos kanei. Pantos to 'moderno' kai to 'asxeto' kollaei sto oti to ena enthos dialithike ton 4 aiona p.x. kai to allo dimiourgithike sta teli tou 20 m.x. Kati oti bebaia briskontai se diaforetika geografika plati. Miskin 14:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
As to afisoume etsi kalytera, symfonise kai o Aldux, kai nomizo pos einai ligotero proklitiko. Miskin 15:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Yet, I have to thank you again, Telex, for taking the fast action to block the impersonator. I already have an idea who that could have been. One of those juvenile editors that vandalized my talk page, if you recall :)). Thanks again. By the way, did you choose the username "Telex" because you like the Albanian music band "telex" or just out of telex as a communications technology? Curious :)) Ilir pz 23:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Do you see ho much information I have cited. It is not my fault that user:grandmaster will not accpet facts. In Iran the Azari population calls itself Azari not Azeri. Why did you revert the edit?
Will you submit a 3RR report or you prefer if I do it? Grandmaster 12:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Done. Academic Challenger 22:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
You have a message inside the shop. Please revisit! (btw wtf happened in your userpage? Where's the history? Aren't you a cosmopolitan anymore? :-)) NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 23:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
De symfono me auti tin allagi [9]. To KKE eixe enopli eksousia pano sti Boreia Hpeiro, kai oi Tsamides ekdioxtikan eks'aitias tis Abanikis stasis ston deutero pagkosmio. Miskin 11:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Mas prosebale kai theorisa pos i symboli tou itan spatali xorou. Etsi ki allios den eixe dikio, den itan o Lucas o protergatis itan o Decius (Alexander_007). Miskin 22:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
To wp:cite den exei ikanopoiithei, to ilegksa kai me administratora. Den exei yparksei oute mia pigi (plin .bg kai .mk pou safos de metrane) pou na onomazei tous idious kati allo apo ellines. To wp:cite egine gia ti mitera tous, kai auto exei ikanopoiithei. Afou kai o idios to leei pos den exei piges, to epixeirima tou einai mono pos "o boulgarikos laos pisteuei tade". Eixe kai to thrassos na mou pei "you're trolling" to zoon. Miskin 22:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, 3RR applys to any revert, no matter what it's about. I learned that the hard way. :( —Khoikhoi 01:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Πώς σου φαίνονται; talk to +MATIA 08:42, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I understand. But he made several personal attacks so I decided to do it. Blocking him won't make any difference, he's able to evade them anyways. It should stay up. —Khoikhoi 20:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
What, you are not a cosmopolitan anymore? It is hard to be a Balkan cosmy? Bomac 20:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd rather prefer patience. And strong will... Bomac 20:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Falemnderit Telex. :) I'll try to be equally creative when I have the time. Cheers, —Khoikhoi 00:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex,
I thought that my impersonator was banned, but he seems to still be active. hmmm ilir_pz 09:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I saw this and got confused, but then checked the date and it was edited before the impersonator was blocked. Sorry. nice picture in the front page, by the way. ilir_pz 10:23, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex. You've stated in Albanians in Greece that 650,000-700,000 Albanians are in Greece, of whom 200,000 ethnic Greeks. If I gather things correctly (the report is quite long, and a bit confusing) These 200,000 claim to be homogeneis, that is ethnic Greeks; and all ethnic Greeks have a sort of natural right to citzenship (a bit like Germans); but the greatest part of the Albanian homogeneis are not accepted as such, or at least the authorities deny them citzenship. Have I made a correct description of the situation? Ciao--Aldux 20:29, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Nuk jamë edhe aq i sigurt, por me sa di une shtetësia Greke ka qenun ngush e lidhur me përkatësin fetare d.m.th me përkatësin e Kishës si bie fjala anëtarët e kishes Greke janë shtetas Grekë. Kjo lejonë mundësin që nëse në një vendbanim ku nuk ka ndonjë kishë tjeter pos asaj greke dhe në të shkojnë anëtarë të kombeve tjera ata automatikisht do të merren si Grekë. Nëse e kam gabim më korigjo por të lutem ke në mendje se ligji i përkatësis shtetrore Greke ka dryshuar diçka në kohët e fundit (çka saktësisht nuk e di)--Hipi Zhdripi 23:48, 18 May 2006
Grekët antik duhet pasur kujdes dhe të mos përzihen me grekët e sotit. Jo pse nuk dua unë apo dikush tjeter, po kështu e ashtu, nga dokumentet e antikës aty është puna shumë e komplikume. Përdorimi i termit "Grekë" nga autoret antik, po më duket shpeshë është bërë jo për të treguar përkatësin por më tepër për të treguar kulturen e një populli (fisi) me të cilen ai popull ka qenë më i afërt. Në shumë shkrime të autorëve antikë Athina është prezentuar si pjesë periferike e Greqisë e shpeshë ajo është kundërshtare e grekëve. --Hipi Zhdripi 23:55, 18 May 2006
Jo nuk mundem, nuk e di pse? Si do që të jetë e di që për shtete orthodokse deri në kohën më të re nuk vlenë përkufizimi i shtetësis sipas përkufizmit perendimorë (Të drejtës romake) është e njëjta gjë sikurse me shtete islamike për të cilat për sistemin e shtetit dhe të shtetësis përdorin terin "kalifat" , shtete orthodokse e përkthejnë fjalën shtet (etat) bukfalisht po nuk e ka të njëjtin kuptim. Sipas këtyre dy sistemeve "kalifati" apo "shteti" janë teritore që kanë një llojë autonomie fetare përbrenda fesë. Kjo me sa di unë nuk ndodhë sipas të "drejtës romake" për të cilen shtete janë anëtare të OKB-së --Hipi Zhdripi 21:25, 19 May 2006
Bravo Telex, i really find it cool, and respect you that you didnt rv or deleted my adjustments on the Ancient Macedonians wikipage, therefore (from my side) you should be honoured with a medall. thank you very much, and thank you very much for even correcting some things in my adjustments, even tough we arent agreeing on 99% of the subjects! Gia Mas! --Makedonia 23:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Actually, I'm going to try following the 1RR from now on. Sure, edit wars get POV-pushers blocked, but the problem with them is that we're always back to square one in the end. They also take up server space. I've also found that when discussing things, I was surprised how reasonable certain people can be, that I wouldn't really have expected from them before. Mirupafshim për së shpejti. —Khoikhoi 01:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a native speaker of English and I'd like to ask you to tell me what "Greek identifying distinct groups in Greece" actually means as it makes absolutely no sense to me. --Damac 11:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
"Please do not feed the troll" |
Hi Telex. Thanks for your support, but unfortunately we are dealing with a very persistent troll. He created a userbox that calls for incorporation of Azerbaijan into Iran and keeps adding it to the Azeri Wikiproject page. What in your opinion is the best way of dealing with him? Grandmaster 11:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, the footnote was added for humourous purposes, for which it served its purpose. It may surprise you to know that outside Greece, the naming dispute is looked upon in a humourous manner. Tomic is actually a she. You lose two liberal points. What you said may be true. I don't speak Albanian so I can't say for sure. I was merely reporting what was in the literature. I think my point still holds regardless as the point I was making was that the past tense was analytical (formed with to have + verb). There are a number of points which may come accross as biased which I have subsequently fixed. Examples being using Pirin Macedonia, Aegean Macedonia, etc. — Which I had understood to be value-neutral geographical terms. Any specific other complaints? - FrancisTyers 13:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure you can quantify grammatically complex. But I suggest you look at: Polysynthetic language — those always blow my mind. She has for Greek To eho diatisi to Biblio, which is apparently neuter. - FrancisTyers 14:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex,
I'm sure you know this already, but could you please note the three revert rule? You've effectively just had an edit war on Priština with the Serbian editors, in conjunction with Ilir_pz in a sort of tag-team style. Edit warring isn't a helpful tactic, whoever starts it, and I'd urge you to avoid getting sucked into edit wars. If you see one developing please let me know and I'll see what I can do to sort it out. -- ChrisO 22:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry 'bout the link, i had no intention to delete it as well. Είναι γνωστό τοις πάσι ότι οι Σέρβοι στο Κόσοβο έχουν μειωθεί κατά πάρα πολύ μετά το 1999. Δεν ξέρω ποιος φταίει, αλλά σίγουρα όχι οι Σέρβοι... Οι Κοσοβάροι ζήτησαν την επέμβαση του ΝΑΤΟ, και αυτοί semi-ελέγχουν την περιοχή τώρα. Εσύ γιάτι το διέγραψες? Παρείχες κάποια άλλη δικαιολογία για τημ μείωση του αριθμού τους, πριν κάνεις delete σε αυτήν; --Hectorian 00:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Si duket janë lëshuar vandalët në gjithë artikujt lidhur mbi Kosovën dhe shqiptarët, dhe dyshoj se është një person i vetëm që ka disa emra të ndryshëm. Kjo të lodh.ilir_pz 01:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
ok, do e shikoj nganjehere. ilir_pz 01:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Ki durim edhe pak, sa te zyrtarizohen numrat. Pastaj keta skane me argumente. :) naten e mire. ilir_pz 22:47, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd love to help out, but I don't currently know much about the Greek language. Let me know when you're working on it... - FrancisTyers 16:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome. Also, don't hesitate to ask if you need to have something in Bulgarian checked by a native speaker. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 17:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex. I've started working on Pomaks, what do you think of the article at the moment (it's only at the beginning). Ciao! --Aldux 18:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Good call on the flag move - lets hope this gives a bit more stability to the page :) Mammal4 08:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
...the most recent polls seem that those for the Union seem to be slowly outgunning the independists. The Montenegrin independence referendum lasts right now as we speak, and disorders have already braken out in Niksic and probably (will if not yet) elsewhere. --HolyRomanEmperor 12:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Please visit [10] and weigh in! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 17:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex,
There is an article missing about Scanderbeg, the national hero of the Albanians, at the Greek version of Wikipedia. I appreciate if you could create the missing article.
Thank you so much in advance!
Best regards,
Albanau 19:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
well you can forbid a government to use it, but you cant forbid the people to use it, it was, is and will always be our sun my friend, this flag is widely used all over Macedonia
you didnt even used the sun before the 80's, but well i cant blame you, your government should be blamed, its like the sheeps are the greek citizens, the dog is your president and the shepherd is your prime minister. ;) --Makedonia 19:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
yeah exactly we macedonians know it for centuries, but the greeks didnt know the emblem before 77 and they first started using it in the 80's after it became clear that there would be a indepent macedonia soon. --Makedonia 23:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
It was 56.3% 55.2% and then 55.8% and 55.1%. Now it is finally 55.3% although it could still change (I'm afraid). --HolyRomanEmperor 22:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
The results are not final until they are confirmed by the state referendum commission. Stop edit-warring over speculations. Thanks, Asterion talk to me 22:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I am actually talking to Telex. Not sure why are you replying, Ilir? This comment is about his recent reverts on Albanians. What has it got to do with you, anyway? Asterion talk to me 22:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
No, I see that I have left a message on Telex's talk page, regarding to the same subject as the header and in relation with my edit summary on Albanians, and you came out of the blue to reply. I am not impressed. Asterion talk to me 22:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Wow..I'm just commenting because I know this will just add to the "wiki-stalking" mania. Cool down folks. C-c-c-c 22:43, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Tung!
Po më duket ti je i informuar mirë për gjendjen e avanitasve në Greqi. Nëse është ashtu, kisha dashur të di mendimin tënd logjikë mbi këtë:
Shtetasit shqiptar, shqiptarë e Kosovës i thërrasin Kosovarë, ndërsa shqiptarët e Greqisë çamë apo arvanitas. Mund të llogarisë që shqiptarët autoktonë në Greqi nuk kanë dëshirë të quhen me të njëjtin emër sikurse shqiptarët që kanë migruar në kohët e fundit. Kjo është e drejt/saktë. Por për të pasur një pasqyrë të drejtë duhet që të mbahet një seleksionim shkencorë d.m.th aty ku përdoret termi çamë/arvanitas të përdoret termi kosovar, aty ku përdoret termi shiptarë të Shqipërisë të përdoret shtetas shqiptar dhe kur bëhet fjalë për të gjith? unë nuk ka zgjidhje logjike po ti.--Hipi Zhdripi 03:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Seen this?Apostolos Margaritis 12:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Why are you constantly removing the flag, it is its official municipality flag, and as I see again you do not interprete the authors right as it should de done>>I refer to the sun of vergina, Even if greece has already registered the simbol as greek, in the document stais that every one is still free to use it.You only have the adjective GREEK by the sun of vergina, nothing more. the Flag and the simbol do diferentiate each other (even if there is an black dot in the center of the sun will be something different).... think about.. Have something to explain to me if I'm wrong...Please I'll wait. Thanx--Vlatko 18:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Vlatko, you have to be patient with the (so often stunted) patriotic Greek wiki users . They simply do not get it Apostolos Margaritis 16:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Wow, you are really sad , im sorry but, a little bit too brainwashed, nationalistic ??? it is the official flag, ACCEPT IT. you cant do anything about it , just as we cant do anything about you greeks using the sun. ok?? just accept it, and go put your energy in some pasok article. --Makedonia 00:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
yes i did experienced it ;) --Makedonia 00:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Are you trying to ruin my shop's reputation or something? NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 00:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh yes, it friggin' does :) No one really takes me seriously, but hell, I really would support such a federation! :P Todor Bozhinov → 10:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
It's a very big issue. None can tell - Montenegro seems to have some ideas (as the leaders have been politicly pushing for independence for a long time), but there is no incinuation for Serbia. --HolyRomanEmperor 13:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
You are really fighting a lost cause there. Many have tried before you and failed :) There is a saying, a wiki cannot be more objective than its administrators. Dont feel bad for them though, if that is what they want to read so be it. /FunkyFly.talk_ 16:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Hope that makes it clear for you.
PS. That might be a good idea for an article - Criticism of the Macedonian language wikipedia
/FunkyFly.talk_ 17:20, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Please use difs, not versions, it makes it much easier to see what is going on. JoshuaZ 01:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Ean theleis rikse mia matia ston 'ellino-tourkiko polemo'. Enas anonymos agnoei tis piges kai bazei ta dika tou. Miskin 20:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Please can you stop with your hate toward serb.You may have to look at Serbophobia,because it looks like you got it Dzoni 02:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Am I the only one who tries to discuss the "Montenegrins and their ethnicity" section? As I said on the Talk:Montenegrins, the section is an overlong collection of wikiquotes that cannot be fixed, borderline to WP:POINT. And I didn't blank it out entirely, but properly moved it to the talk page so that people could discuss. No one seems to reading talk pages... sigh... Duja 14:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts in the Bulgarian cities articles. /FunkyFly.talk_ 15:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Elava to mhnyma sou meta tin anastrofi... --Hectorian 23:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
oh, and you aren't?? :) You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Makedonska Kamenica municipality. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. --Makedonia 21:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
you think i am the aureus poto something useR?? well i really am not, im sorry. you are saying me that im breaking the rules with reverting, but what about you?? you have reverted that wikipage the same amount as me, probably even more. isnt that hypocrit? --Makedonia 00:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
well if you are so smart, go check it up, i know we have and had our problems on the wikipages, but honestly i am not aureus poto user. --Makedonia 00:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
well i think that's really low from you, i for example respect everyone on wiki, and don't start acusing people of something he or she didn't even do, but well, good night then --Makedonia 00:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Recently I have realised that there is a grouping of Turkish nationalists in Wikipedia with the objective of turning Kurdish related articles into Turkish propagandas. Would you like to start a project with me called "WikiProject Kurds" to better organize information in articles related to the Kurds. Regards. Ozgur Gerilla 02:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Serbians group is working in en:Wiki 1 out of Wikipedia Law. user page Crna gora:
Slušaj, ja neću ništa za sada da pokrećem protiv tebe, ali te poslednji put upozoravam za tvoje dobro. Ima preko 50 Srba na ovoj Wikipediji, pazi šta će da bude ako se svi okrenu protiv tebe. Skloni samo tu reč, Srbi, i sve je OK. Ubaci C-c-c-c ako hoćeš, ja sam ga već upozorio. -- serbiana - talk 01:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Transletit:
Listen, I will do at now nothing agains you, but I say to you for the last time, for your good. We are more than 50 Serbian user in this Wikipedia, Atencion/(Watch out) what is going to happend when they are goig to be agains/(roul) you.
Is this wikipedia, they are working together and abourting every user wich is traing to saying his opinion or putin the documentation wich is not according to they politic. Somebody must do something again this group. --Hipi Zhdripi 08:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't see that putting Republic of Albania in the box is not extremely dangerous POV. Plus, remember the compromise made few weeks ago? Bomac 12:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I like the nowadays borders. They fit me ;-) But one day we will be all united in Europe (I think) Bomac 12:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't mind it, absolutely. According to me, you can put a userbox in which you claim that you've visited the Borgs. Bomac 12:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Your reversion on this page has again been reverted by this user. This user has reverted changes three times on this page even after warning. Siddiqui 13:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, did you see that Category:Greek identifying distinct groups in Greece is up for deletion? Sorry I didn't actually see it was you who created it before I voted "delete" - please see my reasons on the vote page. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey, can you please add User:Legendary T.H.U.G. to WP:AIV? Also you can report Greier for a 3RRvio at [[Phanariotes]. —Khoikhoi 17:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Den peirazei, min to bazeis kato! Tha parathesoume tis piges s'ena simeio kai meta tha tous anagkazoume na spane to 3rr. The fane ta block tous kai kapoia stigmi tha ta paratisoune, etsi ginetai panta. Den empisteuomai kanenan antministratora. Miskin 18:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Ego eimai yper tou na mi tou dinoume kai poly tharros. Oso pio kathetoi eimaste toso pio grigora tha ta paratisei. Miskin 19:59, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Me peirazei dioti den exei parathesei oute mia pigi mexri tora kai einai geleia ta epixeirimata tou, to blepeis kai o idios. Exo prostateusei auto to arthro apo poly pio eksypnous xristes kai den skopeuo na lygiso se auton. Nomizo pos an eixes akolouthisei tin idia sou tin symbouli (na min tou dosoume apantisi) tha eixe fygei. Tora milise kai o allos kai exei parei aera. Miskin 20:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Ma to ti itan i mana tou i o pateras tou den exei kamia sxesi me to ti itan i idioi kai me to pos anagnorizontai simera. To thema einai oti kanenas den tous exei apokelesei 'boulgarous' i 'slabous', asxeta ti exoun pei gia ti mana tous (edosa to paradeigma kai me ton Skentempei). Autes oi piges to mono pou mas ypoxreonoun na kanoume einai na anaferoume kapou oti "yparxoun isxirismoi oti i mana tous itan Slava", pragma pou ginetai idi sto arthro. Miskin 20:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
De symfoneis mazi mou se auto to thema? To NPOV metraei mono gia isxyouses theories kai oxi gia original research. Otan to WP:CITE exei ikanopoiithei, mono tote mporoume na poume pos yparxei xoros gia deuteri apopsi. Auta pou aneferes os piges milane gia ti mana tou Kyrilou kai einai katagegrammena idi sto artro.Miskin 22:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I will apreciate if oyu explain me. Thanx--->>><<< 01:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
We know each other for a long time, so I can read you too;) MatriX 18:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Cool, I actually had a stub sitting in my userspace for a while -- I merged it in. Hope you like the image ;) - FrancisTyers 23:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm... give me a proof... You awfully have a LOT in common... Bomac 11:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Do you agree with current state of affairs. User:Miskin reverted your change. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saints_Cyril_and_Methodius&diff=55308956&oldid=55305776
Could you please ask Hipi, nicely, to stop making my wiki-life miserable? He's tortureng me. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not telling you because, in this case, HONESTLY, you are being hypocritical. BTW, I'm on my way to ask Francis about this issue. Bomac 15:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
OPEN your eyes and READ the languagebox. Bomac 15:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Exactly. Bomac 15:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah... I've always been The Stranger for the 3RR rule... ;-) Bomac 16:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, is the greek understanding of the term the same as the bulgarian one? Which Macedonian culture was taken as the basis for the creation of the macedonian nation. Please can you explain me the term helenism.--Vlatko 21:16, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, Macedonism can still mean Greek culture and influence of.--Vlatko 21:16, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to excuse myself about the personal attack toward you. It was unintentional. Nedkoself bias resist 19:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
OK, I agree that they should be not on the main page, but you should put on the page for the town description its macedonian name.
I think that you know them, so I should not repeat them?
It will be neutral.
Well, another reason why it should be putted there is that. Bomac 14:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
BTW, Cyril and Methodius are the creators of the Macedonian alphabet as well. Bomac 14:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't know for the others, but there is a category:Bulgarian culture. Bomac 14:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Why don't yo add that category? So you you wan't to deny that these people are important for Macedonian culture? Bomac 11:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Mporeis na ton karfwseis epeidi se eipe fasista kai epeidi vandalise ti selida sou. Mporeis episis na ton afiseis na griniazei oso thelei...allwste, gi'afto nomizw oti ta pire kai epitethike sti selida sou...: epeidi den mporei na epitethei se sena stin pragmatikotita (xeroume poios einai aimovoros:p). des to mail sou. --Hectorian 14:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Prosopika den to theoro lathos na yparxoun katigories Slavikon ethnon ekei. H moni antirisi pou exo einai os pros to onoma tis katigorias to opoio theoro pos prepei na allaksei se 'Macedonian culture (Slavic)' gia eunoitous logous. Oso paramenei sketo 'Macedonian culture' eimai kata tou na to blepo opoudipote. Miskin 14:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Ti les gia metafora tou 'Greek Macedonians' se Macedonians (Greek)? Blepeis ta pleonektimata? Miskin 15:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Sou apantisa se email. Miskin 16:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Euxaristo gia tin proidopoihsi alla gia pio pragma na me karfosei? Gia 2 rvts? Des ti tou egrapsa sto talk, de sevetai katholou to NPOV. Miskin 23:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Den to skopeuo, alla epimeno pos exo dyo. To proto den einai rv einai edit. Kala einai kai poly blakas. :) Miskin 23:53, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
It's not Bonny, I know Bonny, and this ain't him. Look here how he reverted to Greier's version. If it was Bonny then he would be attacking his normal pages. —Khoikhoi 18:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Do you want to revert all your edits? I don't think you will like that...it's exactly what you're doing with my edits. It's not nice of you, you know?--Vlachul 19:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Let me say something to you Telex, you should not use WP:NPOV as a pretext to cover your edits, with other words why your POV edits are good and my NPOV not? --Vlachul 20:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
What do I think? As if really matter to you...but to be polite I will answer you Telex, I think it's tottaly wrong to erase the word Romanians and replace it with Latin people. Do you agree with me? --Vlachul 20:13, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Give me your email Telex. --Vlachul 20:48, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Next time, now a short nap. --Vlachul 21:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I created a new sub-page: User:NikoSilver/List of POV edits by Slavomacedonians. Feel free to post all relative garbage in an organised manner, just for the record. NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 10:12, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
its absolutely insane to add the Albanian name on the header page. albanian is not a official language, it is only in municipalities with more than 80% albanian inhabitants, ohrid does not have such an albanian community, and its already mentioned in the Name History part. so please stop adding nonsense. --Makedonia 11:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Because Seres has a "Slavic" history, as you call it and should be mentioned. on the serres page, the slavic form of the name isnt mentioned in the box right, it is mentioned in the content about serres. as is the albanian and greek form mentioned in the "Name history" content of the ohrid page. --Makedonia 13:07, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Whell, I'm realy greatefull to you that in the article about macedonism you support that. I' makeing you a favor, what can be the meaning of the word macedonism, There are also and Greek POV, you have not to read it from somewhere, you can also uderstand it. I see no poinwt why are you reverting the article, but I'm giving up. There is no point whan you are blind.---User:Vlatkoto:Vlatko 15:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, could you check your mail please? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Greetings. As a recent contributor to the survey on the names of Byzantine rulers at Talk:Constantine XI, you may be interested in the following. A mediation sought by Panairjdde resulted in the recommendation that "that proposal two from this page be implemented in the short term, until a consensus can be reached about proposal three". Accordingly, before resuming the editorial process, I am seeking feedback on whether option 2 or 3 of the former survey is more acceptable. Please state (or re-state) your opinion in the follow up survey on Talk:Constantine XI. Thank you for your time, Imladjov 14:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Telex, what is the relation between Romaioi and Romanians/Vlachs in Greece? --Preacher, or Princelet 18:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
BTW can you do something for me? This khoikhoi is adding his shit on my page, after that he said I will be blocked for erasing it. Do something. --Preacher, or Princelet 18:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Why Romioi refers to Greeks? --Preacher, or Princelet 18:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I dont think that the Bulgarian article "Македонистика"/Macedonistics is the same as Macedonism. As far as I am aware, Macedonistics deals primarily with the language, and not so much so with history and ethnogenesis. /FunkyFly.talk_ 19:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Shiko ç po folë për mua User talk:Dijxtra#Hipi Zdhripi përdoruesi User:HolyRomanEmperor. Këto janë akuza dhe atakime personale. Nuk e di nëse ke njohuri për serbokroatishte por me siguri se do ta kuptonë. Une asnjëher nuk ju kamë kërcnuar ati. E ti më thoje të hekë shënimin për të.--Hipi Zhdripi 02:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Exeis kanei tipota me to ethnic group rfc? Koita ti lene oi kakes glwsses :-) NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 09:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Great idea! I think FlavrSavr had a similar idea in the past, but was shouted down. Kudos for taking the initiative. - FrancisTyers 18:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Mporeis na pros8eseis sth selida mou ayta pou eleges gia ton Asteraki kai ton allo Boulgaro xrhsth (sbhsimo selidas kai mplok)? Mporeis epishs na metafraseis tis le3eis pou den exei metafrasei o funky (meta to "pe8anete oloi oi ellhnes")? An den 8es na bwmoloxhseis dhmosiws steilto mou me mail. NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 20:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Dhladh gia na katalabw: O typos pisteyei oti prepei na zhthsoume emeis na proste8ei to Ellhnikh dipla sto Makedonia, anti to Aigaiakh dipla sto Makedonia? Kai giati na mas peirazei to ena h to allo? Komple3ikoi eimaste? Kai ta dyo (Ellas-Aigaio) dika mas den einai? 8a ton parakalesoume kiolas? Ama 8eloume na diaxwrisoume th dikia mas apo thn "dikia" tous, mporoume na baloume dipla oti 8eloume. Aytos giati den koitaei na balei tipota dipla sto onoma tou na teleiwnoume? NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 21:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
...this and this? How can I help? NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 09:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
well i must, when i got a new source, that source says im right.
--Makedonia 16:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Feel free to revert if you think it really was a sensible comment to make in light of what you could clearly see I was attempting to do. I fear my work might be in vain though, following, "Aha, so you the choose to be neutral", that comment. - FrancisTyers 16:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The open proxy is banned. - FrancisTyers 18:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Good work, did you see my comments at the noticeboard btw? And did you receive the email I sent? - FrancisTyers 18:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Hah. - FrancisTyers 20:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I used your signature with no intention. Hope you wont mind.--Vlatko 23:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Telex, really, did you expect it to remain? First this isn't even a statement of the PM, but of a minister; second, it's months I monitor Macedonia-related articles, and not even a flimsy shadow of proof has as yet been given of a native Greek community; I don't see why we should mix true and real ethnic groups with a non-existant one, and giving highly misleading numbers, given in obvious bad faith (not you, the minister). Independent sources do speak of a Macedonian minority in Greece, but not of a Greek minority in Macedonia. Also, I don't see the claim made by the gov. of Macedonia that 230,000 Macedonian Slavs live in Greek Macedonia in Greece; or the map User:Macedonia maid claiming a million Macedonian Slavs in Greece.--Aldux 21:58, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Γειά σου Telex! Είδα ότι έγραψες στο άρθρο για τα Γιάννινα και τα ονόματα σε άλλες γλώσσες. Είμαι σύμφωνος με αυτό -κατ' αρχάς-, αλλά ίσως χρειάζεται λίγη σκέψη; Πρώτον, με ποιά κριτήρια θα διαλέξουμε τις γλώσσες, ιδίως όταν δεν υπάρχουν επισημα αναγνωρισμένες γλωσσικές μειονότητες; Για τα αλβανικά το καταλαβαίνω το σκεπτικό - στην πόλη ζουν και Αλβανοί. Για τα Aromanian το ίδιο, αλλά είναι κάπως τραβηγμένο, νομίζω. (Εδώ ίσως έχει εφαρμογή και το WP:NPOV#Undue weight). Αλλά τα τούρκικα; Εκτός αν τα κριτήρια είναι ιστορικά, οπότε αλλάζει το πραγμα. Η δεύτερη ένστασή μου είναι πρακτική και αισθητική: αν καθίσουμε να γράψουμε κάθε δυνατό τύπο (3 στα Ελληνικά, 2 στα Αλβανικά -οριστικό και αόριστο- κ.ο.κ.) ίσως γίνει το άρθρο κάπως δυσανάγνωστο. Υπάρχει μήπως τρόπος να μπούν τα ονόματα στο πλάι, όπως στο άρθρο για την Ελλάδα; TheArchon 22:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
just added titles to slav-macedonians article; hope you dont mind--Greece666 22:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
actually your titles were better :). you can also have a look at rainbow.--Greece666 23:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
nice map, good job, but it would be better instead of mentioning "SLAV" to mention "Macedonian" or "Macedonian (Slav)". but well, again good job. --Makedonia 14:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Sure, doesn't contravene the guidelines. Personally I think the bit about "Bulgarian dialect" is a bit puerile, but hardly warrants unilateral action. - FrancisTyers 14:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
if you've read carefully you would know what i have said, i said: we will simply expell the greek majority, just like the greeks did to us:) but i think if it will happen the most of the greeks will move out of macedonia by themselves anyway, and if none of these above, then let them stay, its important macedonia is united, so long those greeks dont make any serious problems, they could stay, we can live together in harmony, the most important thing is that Macedonia is once again a united country.
are you worrying so much about a possible united macedonia, that you repeat your questions and statements so many timeS??;) you even want a federation with albania with macedonia in it :P , thats probably the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard of hahah but well you should give the fed. a try of course ;).
oh yeah, and your statements and mentioning about Greeks living in Rep. of Macedonia, first of all there aren't any official independent sources on any greeks living in RoM, second, and if there is a greek minority in RoM, so what? do you think we, macedonians have a problem with that? no we don't, we accept it and don't see it as a problem, let them live here, let them be greeks, we are not as you greeks are, who are denying any ethnic minorities.
it is not an insult to us macedonians or a problem, so please mention the greek minority on RoM pages that there is a greek minority, however unfortunately there are no independent sources on them, at least i've never seen such, thats the diffirence between Greeks and Macedonians, we Macedonians dont hate Greeks or have any problems with greeks, but we are just defending our nation and our history from being falsified and claimed by surrounding countries, we dont deny any minorities forbid people to be what they want to be and what they are. but not all greeks are like that, i know many greeks who dont even have a problem with macedonia and the macedonians, who also recognize macedonia by her real name and who accept Alexander and ancient macedonians being macedonian rather than greeks. --Makedonia 15:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
well, then probably there are some, i dont know and almost nobody knows, i dont have any problem if there is a greek minority in rep. of macedonia. i do know that in the city of Ohrid wich im from, there were some Greeks in the past, but i have no actual information on them today.--Makedonia 16:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
The map is OK, to be honest, I don't know much about that issue, but the idea is great.But, accidentaly I made a revert there!:( (I forgot what rev link means) Please correct it if the revert was bad.MatriX 19:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
we dont have anything to do with slavs, except for the language, and a part of our population in the northern rep of macedonia wich is mixed and probably almost 90% of serbian origin. Slavs are more an Linguistic group rather than a Ethnical group, we have macedonian cultures, only our language is slav, but i mean in peru spanish is spoken, does that make peruans spanish? No!
the research you call Discredited, was done by Arnaiz Villena, a well known professor and regarded as the best in this subject. the Pakistanis/indian Greeks you are telling about, are actually macedonians, descendants of alexander and his macedonian soldiers.
there was a research on them and many documentaries, those people are claiming themselves to be Macedonians, instead of Greeks, at least thats what they say.!:)
read this letter:
Dear Hardevji,
Kindly accept my best wishes. I have come to know of you through a website that you are descendent of Alexander the Great or his army. Incidentally, Porus the Great and I have common ancestry. I am a professing Sikh, Khukhrain Khatri by lineage. I got your mail ID through your genealogical cousin Risto Stefov.
You may be knowing Mohayals are Brahmins, Coorgs of Karnataka are Kshatriyas, all of them and few tribes in north-east India are believed to be descendents of Macedonians. Some Jatts and Jats also believe they are Macedonian blood.
Dear Hardev, as you are descendent of Macedonia and Singh you are probably a Sikh or Hindu from Punjab or Kashmir. In Punjab Macedonians may have preserved independent racial identity, but not separate language, rituals or culture. I would like to know more about you and credence of your believe. It will be source of enlightenment to me. Few Ladhakis and Gujjars North of Baramulla are maintaining old Macedonian resembling rituals. To the best of my knowledge the pockets where the distinct Macedonian culture, language and racial integrity is continuing is Hunza, Chitral, and Nathiagali but they are all muslims, infact the few non-muslims, mostly Sikhs, in that area were migrants during Mharaja Ranjit Singh period. In1947, most of them left for India, though some of them moved westward and Gilgit. In this period, migrants and Macedonians were peaceful but apathetic neighbors. Even during the Chitral fort besieging in 1894-95 in which British and Sikh solders were trapped and latter rescued by 14 Ferozepore Sikh Infantry, there was no tension amongst civilians.
In India, your distinct culture, linguist, and religious groups are, not even remotely connected with each other or with Macedonia.
You split descendant of Macedonians in India should organize yourself, the heirs of the great-lost race should rediscover themselves. Even if, for any practical reason, integration is impossible & irrelevant, but emotions and nostalgia makes us human and off course better humans. Nevertheless, reemergence of Macedonia as sovereign nation state after long, it must cheer you all. This will be a good academic kit.
This is all out of my quest to discover the past and present of great lost or extinct races and civilizations. I am sorry, if anything offending in this letter, it is not intentional, so, kindly overlook.
Please be in touch.
Yours
Ravi Ranjan Singh Chairman Centre for Legislative Research and Cause India
--Makedonia 00:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Gnwmh se ayto? NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 13:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Is that really your favourite quote? Or are you just being reactionary? :P - FrancisTyers 16:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations, you are now officially a Bulgarian Nationalist! /FunkyFly.talk_ 19:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Dude, do you consider Google to be the ultimate history telling machine, eh? For now, I will leave this horror and I will leave Goce's page as it is. Just wanted to say, will it be relevant if I publish a page where Goce says "Macedonians are completely different from Bulgarians, Macedonians are Slavs and Bulgarians are Turks (TATARI) and their work is based on destroying Macedonian national sense, so that they can annex Macedonia", will you take this in consideration. I mean, according to your criteria, if Google turns results then it's HISTORICAL FACT, and if not, it's not. By the way, everything that Bulgarians were doing during the ages was forging, hiding truth and propaganda against every single Macedonian movement. After all, there are many web-sites where you can find information, letters and other authentical facts that prove Goce to be a Macedonian fighting for Macedonian freedom. And why the hell do you care, aren't you just an Albanian who lives in Aegian Maceodnian (so called Greek Macedonia) and who is assimilated by the Greek nationalistic politics? Ok, never mind, you don't understand either.. Love you :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.162.235.22 (talk • contribs)
Wisely spoken, like a true Republican. /FunkyFly.talk_ 20:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I think you have once spoken to a user Macedonian or Makedonec or something.. I relly don't see what your point is. Destroying everything that is Macedonian, just like everyone else in the past did to the Macedonians (I'm talking about the Serbs, Albanians, Greeks and Bulgarians the most). No-one ever said that we are the true decendants of the Ancient Macedonia, who were a Hellenic nation. Macedonian Slavs took pretty much of the left culture and symbols of the Ancient Macedonians, such as the Vergina Star (the Sun with 16 rays) and they might have mixed with the left Ancient Macedonians (the Slavs with the Ancient Macedonians), but no-one has ever said that we are Ancient Macedonians lol. There are some doubts about king Samoil or Petar Deljan or sth.. but, there is no doubt and I'm more that sure that Goce Delchev was a Macedonian revolutionary, who fought for Macedonians, and had nothing to do with the Bulgarians. In many occasions he said that Bulgarians try to make a different flow of the Macedonian movement (in their greatbulgarian fictions) and he once said: "all until my arm can hold a rifle, NO Bulgarian officer will command Macedonians!" I really haven't got time now, and I think that the whole time in the world will not be enough to reveal some truths, which are based on facts, science and documents (and logic!), but that's it, that's our (MACEDONIAN) fate, that's our destiny, a great sadness and tragedy for us there is. Wish you well..
And by the way, I'm not anon, I just didn't feel like logging in.. 2lazy, what can u do.. that's why I didn't provide any sources or anything else that could satisfy you (hmm.. WHAT could satisfy you? Maybe just the plain lies, everything contrary to the truth about Macedonians). Never mind, see ya.
First of all, history is for historians, not for politicians, and especially not the politicians from the (Political Banana)Republic of Macedonia, give them a full wallet and they will even sell their mothers. second, In that time Macedonia was in the process of independency and looking to create foreign relations, he said that to not make any tenions on that matter, in that important time for the republic of Macedonia. Mr gligorov can speak for himself, but not for his fellow-Macedonians. --Makedonia 21:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
those were diffirent times, you cant compare demosthenes with someone like mr Gligorov. --Makedonia 22:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
maybe demosthenes was lying, we dont know--Makedonia 22:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Click the link. ;) - FrancisTyers 12:37, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Dear Telex, this is not your fight. Please don't edit there any more. If you support a stalinist, old communist view that moldovans=russians so be it. But you'll have only Node as your friend and you'll be reverted on site. Moldovans=romanians and you or others cannot change this. Judge better and choose your friends. --193.109.91.134 12:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Why should I make another map, so you could abuse it with your claims like the other one?
"The region of Macedonia as perceived by Macedonian irredentists"
-So I guess I am this Macedonian "irredentist" since I was the one who made the map
"Ethnic Macedonian nationalists have expressed irredentist claims"
"The roots of the concept can be traced back to 1946"
Macedonia 14:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I do see, now, that I wasn't supposed to do the move by copy-pasting (WP:MOVE#Page histories), but I would be grateful if you would explain to me how exactly my move is a violation of the GFDL. Perhaps I'm missing something, I'm not that experienced here? --85.187.44.131 17:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! --85.187.44.131 17:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Heh, I was going to have "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic", but that would be too sick, don't you think? ;) —Khoikhoi 19:38, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Mbase duhet ta raportosh ate qe po nderron artikujt gjithandej, per 3RR? Si duket po te lodh, e ska zgjidhje tjeter pervec raportimit. Mos humb kohe me ta. Shihet qellimi i tyre ketu. Gjith te mirat, ilir_pz 22:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh well, If I can live with KLA still being around and killing innocent people, I guess can live without getting that physics problem solved:P. P.S. 4.9m/s, not so tough now is it?:) Have a nice one, C-c-c-c 00:59, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Can you be more constructive here? Have you seen the discussion? Why do you think that my edit is unsupported. Please be more constructive. You are erasing even the POV template. Do you need to be so nationalistic? Why? (Zdravko mk 12:24, 5 June 2006 (UTC))
Did Karev ever declare himself a Bulgarian? Do you have an evidence about that? Karev wasn't fucked nationalist like you and he wasn't interest in the ethic side of the problem. And have you even seen my edit, before reverting it? I have written there that Karev "was a socialist and revolutionary, which both the Macedonians and Bulgarians consider that belongs to their own ethnic group." Is that not true? I am trying to find compromis here so be at least a little bit cooperative! (Zdravko mk 12:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC))
Have you even read the discussion page before reverting?! How can you revert without looking at discussion page?! Are you so irresponsible? (Zdravko mk 12:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC))
How do you in the name of god, know wether he feels greek or not?:P before i started contributing to that article, you didnt even know who stan lazaridis was:)
1- He played at a Macedonian Club (wich widely uses macedonian symbols), do you think a real greek would ever play for such a club??? NO he would not, thats logical.
2- His family comes from Voden, a Macedonian city wich untill today is a significant macedonian community city.
3- As you can see in the E-mail the President of Stirling Lions FC sent to me, you will know that he Speaks Macedonian, that he played for macedonian clubs, and that he is called "a true Macedonian Trait".
4- About his Greek Surname, after 1913 all Macedonians and other peoples who were annexed into Greece, were forced to change their surnames into Greek sounding ones, Lazar became Lazaridis, Spiro or Spirov became Spiros etc etc. However many of those Macedonians whom their surname had been changed have kept their new forced name even when they emigrated outside of Agean Macedonia. For example, Steve Staios the famous hockey player, George Servinis, Another hockey player, Petros Dimtsis a leader of the Rainbow (political party) in Florina and many many others.
Please im asking you and your fellow friends to drop your actions against Stan Lazaridis he is Macedonian and will be Macedonian. It's clear enough, if you have something against Macedonians or me, than show it in another way, but do not keep editing the stan lazaridis page over and over again while you know im right. If it wasnt for GR MANOS i would not even mention Greek Australian on the Stan lazaridis page, but we made an agreement, to mention him as Greek Australian with Macedonian(ethnic group) heritage, to calm both sides down. So please give me a break here and stop with the nonsense. Greetings. --Makedonia 17:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
From Voden yes, you greeks call it Edessa. its the same city. and of course the australian media is mentioning him as a Greek, they think Aegean Macedonia has Always been Greek, and second they are mentioning a Surinam football player from Holland a Dutchman too, but he isnt, he is from suriname.--Makedonia 17:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Some administrators seem to have the FYROM issue high on their agenda, high enough that they are ready to use admin powers on articles they edit, if necessary. Evidence is mounting... /FunkyFly.talk_ 21:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone ever tried learning Turkish? It's a really hard language! --Telex 21:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Are you guys talking about User:Bogdangiusca? - FrancisTyers 21:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Nations are never invented overnight. - FrancisTyers · 22:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
See Montenegro (?)... NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 23:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Damn and I was trying to point out that "nations" are myths. Albeit convienient myths for some. Regard to "Macedonian defectors", might have something to do with the incipient ascension of Bulgaria to the mother ship. - FrancisTyers · 12:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Answer on Talk:Moldova132.70.50.117 06:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
For some reason s'po ma var, kohet e fundit :). Bej shaka! Check here and let me know what you think. Your opinion is appreciated. ilir_pz 00:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Hah! I reverted you! Shameless Greek hyper-nationalist that you are. Let's have a real big edit war now, shall we? I'm going to out myself as the crypto-Albanian I've always been. ;-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, He said so. And what was he learned to believe throught the life, his opinion, pragmatism, if you want you can let the phrase on your page, but it shows only how much unserious you are. There are more greeks convinced that Macedonia is Macedonian than Macedonians thinking that they are slavs. In order to use someones authority to point something that is unproven is silly, he even was no historician. And I do make mestakes whan I write in english, At least I do not use google or some translators like you and Funky.--Vlatko 15:08, 06 June 2006 (UTC)
They'll find out about my SECRET ANTI-SERB AGENDA! - FrancisTyers · 18:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
If theres one thing that I'm always doing, its "rejecting historical facts in favour of what is written at www.maknews.com". I'm almost never accepting historical facts, instead relying on a partisan "news" organisation! Nexm0d is not right, if anything it should be Serbo-Croatian or Central South Slavic. But to be honest, whats the point, each of them has a standard, who am I to judge. Hell, I have Esperanto on there, why not Bulgarian and Slovenian? :) - FrancisTyers ·
Yeah, based on this, I believe it's my best friend Lutherian. :D Always nice to know how popular I am! —Khoikhoi 00:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey Telex, there is currently a vote for a version of Wikipedia in Montenegrin. If you want to vote, go to meta:Requests for new languages. There you can vote. Ask your friends on Wikipedia (if you have any) who haven't voted to vote. Thanks. Crna Gora (Talk/Contribs/Edit Count) 06:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Your thoughts? Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I want to ask you: do you like that your work to be reverted? You come and revert a lot of other people's work from different countries, even if you don't have a clue about that subject. How do you feel when your work is reverted? --201.11.44.5 19:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Bonaparte, bite me. You cannot influence anything, you are banned. Anyone can revert any edit you make without regard to the 3RR, so don't think you can bargain. NPOV does not mean Romanian POV - adding "so called" is POV and you know it. --Telex 19:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
If you want war you'll have it. 201.11.44.5 19:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
ok telex ill accept your last version, now please let it stay this way.Greetings!--Makedonia 19:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Telex, for helping out with the reverts. I need all the help I can get and I appreciate your being there. ImpuMozhi 19:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
...for protecting my user page from obvious vandalism. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
No, no, no, not what you think! This time is for something that all of us need:
Improvement of the <ref> function.
Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Poll! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 21:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Πώς σου φαίνεται (ή αν το έχεις διαβάσει ήδη πώς σου φάνηκε) το βιβλίο του Μπίρη; talk to +MATIA 12:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Telex, I have created the image and uploaded it, so and specified all. what are you playing? What has man to do for you make some rational thing. Pathetic from yopur side. Please explain me where is the problem with the image, or you are the problem.--Vlatko 15:27, 08 June 2006 (UTC)
Telex: WP:AN/I. - FrancisTyers · 13:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
whast your problem with inclusion of Sher Shah Suri in the Indian monarchs Category ?--Irishpunktom\talk 13:50, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Telex, that what you and the Tatar do is ultranationalistic, nationaly conformistic and antimacedonistic, you've started deleting all the images that represent macedonia. Why don't you see it and do it this way, "To make better articles about Greece and Bulgaria", start cleaning up there by removing the images that violate the copyright policy and info without sources, I'm sure you'll find a mess of a "good job" about "you", and probably , maybe, after long long time of sceptic (please be sceptic) research you will realise the Fable.---Vlatko 23:59, 08 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex, I just posted some interesting info regarding Stan Lazaridis here. [25] Regards. ;) ~Mallaccaos, 8 June 2006
[26] Fictional quotes seem very instrumental when a point needs to be proved. /FunkyFly.talk_ 15:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Quotes by Goce Delechev: Macedonia has its interests...... From Dimitar Talev's novel Ilinden
Where did you get that from? :) P.S., I like the quote. —Khoikhoi 22:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex, that statement over at Arvanites about Rainbow and protected-language status seems still to be contentious, between Albanau and Politis at least. In that context, it struck me that I inadvertently wrote something the other day, about there being no political wish for minority-language status on the part of Arvanites, which contrasts starkly with another statement a bit further up, about the "Arvanitikos syllogos" campaigning for just such a status. I don't remember who introduced that statement, was it you? It's currently marked as unsourced. Is there anything we can do to resolve that question this way or the other? Thanks, Lukas (T.|@) 17:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
If you're going to come running to me with tales of outrage, at least make them accurate :P - FrancisTyers · 00:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, they're on my watchlist now. BTW, I noticed in your map it says "Turkic" instead of "Turkish". What other language would it be besides Turkish? Crimean Tatar? Also, this map somewhat contradicts yours. —Khoikhoi 01:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks :)) - FrancisTyers · 18:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Νομίζω θα πρέπει να αναφέρουμε ότι ο Μπίρης αφιερώνει το μεγαλύτερο μέρος στην ιστορία τους με πολύ καλές βιβλιογραφικές αναφορές. Εσύ τι λες; Άλλες ιδέες για το τι να προσθέσουμε για τον Μπίρη; talk to +MATIA 07:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Κάπου έχω όλο το κείμενο του μανιφέστο (και θέλω να το δακτυλογραφήσω), αλλά τώρα δεν έχω κανένα βιβλίο πρόχειρο. Αν μπορείς πρόσθεσε οτιδήποτε σχετικό σε παρακαλώ. Ευχαριστώ :) talk to +MATIA 08:06, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Και τέλος σε παρακαλώ γραψε τι κατάλαβες εσύ για τους Δωριείς από τον Μπίρη. Είναι ένας παραλληλισμος (έτσι κατάλαβα εγώ) ή είναι θεωρία καταγωγής όπως οι Πελασγοί του Κόλλια; talk to +MATIA 11:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
One other view is described in the Serbian dictionary for international terms called "Vujaklija", I'll search for other sources, but to be logical, you know that I'm right, and that the term "Macedonism" refers also and to Greek Macedonian culture, according to me you should ad that in the article, not to remove it.--Vlatko 15:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I actually do use it sometimes, just not when there is more reliable data such as censuses, the UN, etc. It's pretty reliable, but sometimes vague as well. Overall it can be a great help though yes. Thanks. Tombseye 21:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
...ωρέ κοπέλι δε θες να πέμψεις τούτο το κατεβατό παέ; NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 23:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, θα προσπαθήσω χωρίς να ξέρω: "'Οχι, δες δεν είμαι σίγουρος για την παράξενη και...??" Να ψάξω για μεταφραστή ή θα μου πείς τι λές? NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 23:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
-- logged out --Telex 00:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
How prevalent is that number of 800000 people in the Republic of Macedonia though? We all know the diaspora tends to overexaggerate things a bit, Vlatko claims 1.2 million for example, but I was thinking of a more mainstream number, which most people believe in. /FunkyFly.talk_ 15:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Έχεις καταλάβει οτι αυτός που έκανε αυτό έχει εκτός από την ανάποδη λογική, και το ανάποδο όνομα από σένα? Επίσης, ρίξε μια ματιά στο WP:ANI#List of unrecognised countries... NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 09:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Telex, you might want to have a look at the situation over at the Adjara page. Check out this comment. —Khoikhoi 17:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
The names of the great city Konstandinupoli has special page for ist names also covers etymology too. I hope you would embarace this page instead of filling the introduction with every other names, as each one has their only a chauvinist wright to have their name their; I guess you do agree with this, check this list copied from the first sentence.Thnks!--OttomanReference 18:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
That What about Konstandinupoli, the page Constantinople will have them too? --OttomanReference 18:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
BE just cool about this. The people who you are objecting are the ones who want to find a center position in this war of names... You seem to be a good person. Come and join us to end this non productive thing...--OttomanReference 18:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the help on reverting edits, made without basis or evidence.
Ther is a lot of this happening
Ravi Chaudhary 20:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I am making article of it. Luka Jačov 08:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not actually in Oslo yet, I leave tommorow. The Minority groups in Greece rewrite definately looks good. Most of the stuff I put in would probably be more at home in Human rights in Greece to be honest. - FrancisTyers · 20:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Telex. I was wondering if you could help me. For the past few days, I have been trying to acquire information about the stradioti, but I ultimately failed. If it is alright with you, could you please look into Biris' work and tell me what he states about Jacomo Barbarigo or Marco Barbarigo in regards to the Arvanites or the stradioti? I would really appreciate it. A full citation of Biris' statements would be most helpful. Respond whenever you can. Thank you and take care. Deucalionite 21:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex. What is happening, why we have pov titles on Republic of Macedonia, Macedonians (ethnic group) and replacement of names in Macedonia (region)? MatriX 12:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
It's very funny, especially the thing that Bulgarians think that even Bosnia&Hercegovina (according to Evlia Celebia) is even more-western Bulgaria ;-) Bomac 15:48, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I thought that was one of those things you simply know but can't prove, because there simply be a lack of sources, but it turns out sources about it can be found after all!
Anyway, the Pomaks even in Bulgaria sometimes prefer to be called not Bulgarians, but Turks, simply Muslims, or Pomaks, but as a separate ethnic group from Turks and Bulgarians. This disunity, in addition to their specific character, makes them a generally easy target for assimilation, so nothing suprising. Todor→Bozhinov 18:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Please see the second paragraph of the hajji article that I wrote. Was/Is the title used by Greeks to mean a Christian's pilgrimage to Jerusalem? What about Orthodox Albanians?
If it is used, how should it be rendered in the Greek alphabet? I'm almost certain it's haxhi in Albanian, but can't pick out the Christian usage (if any) from the Muslim one. Todor→Bozhinov 17:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
To our many future quarrels ;-)--Aldux 18:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
To a truly tireless editor Aldux 18:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC) |
I am sorry, but you are acting unreasonable. I am merely stating a fact not an opinion --Cigor 18:55, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, maybe I could ask some of the Hungarian editors to help expand it (there are more of them than you think!). And text time Bonaparte comes around I can point him there. —Khoikhoi 20:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Maybe you should made a different section about thrace minority where you will explain what they are considered and by who, and delete both the turkish and muslim (not the whole) sections. Mitsos 08:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
The census does not mean that the Greek belong to a greek minority because it covers all the people who are present at the time of the census even if they living there for a few weeks as guests. Until the population exchanges with Greece there were Greeks in Bulgaria (Petric, Melnik, 'Nevrokop', Plovdiv and Black Sea coast) who had to go to Greece, and Bulgarians in Greece ('Lerin', Serres, Kavala but especially many villages) who had to go to Bulgaria. The truth is that most Bulgarians lived in villages in Greece and most Greeks lived in towns in Bulgaria. Today Bulgaria and Greece do not have a problem about minorities with each other because they have priorities to build a strong region for everybody. All this emphasis on demographics idiotic talk is by irredentist of republic of madedonia and I think it must be cut down to a few lines. Makedonija 16:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Which means you Greeko-guys are not much different ;-) Bomac 16:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Aha... Let's see: PGDM about R. of Macedonia, Makedonia for Greek Macedonia, Archiep. of Ohrid for MOC, Slavomakedonika for Macedonian language... Geez, neutrality rocks in grwiki. Bomac 16:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Then why reactions - Egejska Makedonija to be renamed in Grchka Makedonija? That terminology is more common in Macedonian language. The number of Macedonians in Greece varies even in the non-Macedonian statistics. Simply - the Greek POV rules about the issue in grwiki. Bomac 16:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
,,Irredentist" is greek POV. Simply, ,,Etnichka Makedonija" is widely used in Macedonian language. Bomac 16:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
That is what we are trying to explain to you Bomac, you are so indoctrinated that you do not see it. The Bulgarians do not use 'ethnic Bulgaria' for lands around Bulgaria or the Greeks 'ethnic Greece' for lands around Greece, you the 'macedonians' are the ones using it and you think it is normal! The Serbs used 'ethnic Serbia' and they went to war killing everybody and then have a war of 'ethnic cleasing' for their 'ethnic Serbia'. That propaganda has infected people like you want and you use the same language and you probably dream of war. Makedonija 17:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
But they use "Macedonians" no matter that there is a Macedonian nation. Bomac 17:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Not using Macedonians instead of "Macedonians" is the point. Bomac 18:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh please! Nevermind. Bomac 19:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Колку што сакаш другар шири пропаганда, нема да ти успее!! Ако мислиш дека ќе ме стопираш гадно си се заебал!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by LBakraceski (talk • contribs)
Please note that removing the POV-tags does not help to resolve disputes. The tag should indicate the disagrement until the dispute is resolved as described in WP:DR--AndriyK 12:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
In that case I will fell free to edit the Bulgarian website with my points of view. So lets see how is tougher, because apparently its the only way to talk with Bulgarians such as you are
...mia kai mallon milame gia thn Inanna. Koita se parakalw to Cyprus kai kane ta deonta... :NikoSilver: 15:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Much ;-) Bomac 16:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Wholly is a diplomatic word in this case... In reality, every single country from EU (except Greece, ofcourse) refers the country as ,,Macedonia". ;-) Bomac 17:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Again - diplomacy. Everywhere where Greece doesn't listen, the country is reffered to it's constitutional name - Macedonia. Bomac 17:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
What about it? Bomac 17:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, they are too busy with the Turkish northern part, so they don't listen ;-) Bomac 17:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Guess what is my opinion? ;-) I agree that world is a hell of a place. Bomac 17:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, am I forbidden to defend myself from the attacks of long-gone pall Theathenae? Greek Macedonia is undoubtedly important for R. Macedonia in cultural way. Many prominent Macedonians are from that region, even one of the most prominent - Misirkov, born in Vergina (Kutlesh). Bomac 17:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
No. Bomac 18:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Let me remind you Telex - I said cultural way, I didn't mentioned unification. Bomac 18:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Αν μπορείς να μου κάνεις μια χάρη, κοίταξε σε παρακαλώ λίγο αυτή την κάπως άσχημη δουλειά. Εχω αυτό το πρόβλημα με τον Δ. και του κάνω αναγκαστικά "stalking" για να καθαρίσω τα άρθρα του. Κοίτα λίγο και την ιστορία μου των τελευταίων μερών, σχεδόν όλα που έκανα έχουν σχεσή με αυτόν. Αν μπορείς, βάλε τη σελίδα μου και κάποια απ αυτά τα άρθρα στο watchlist σου, γιατί αυτός είναι πολύ εκνευρισμένος μαζί μου, και δεν ξέρω τι θα κάνει όταν δει τι του έκανα πάλι. Κάπως λυπάμαι κι ο ίδιος που το κάνω, αλλά πρέπει, έχει τα μαύρα χάλια της όλη αυτή η ιστορία. Πες μου την άποψή σου για το θέμα, πως να το διαχειρίζω τώρα καλύτερα; Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Two of my favorite quotes. :D
—Khoikhoi 00:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
To diko sou den exei kampanaki mallon e? :NikoSilver: 00:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Please pay attention to [32]:
If ou are in varience with the WP policy, request for arbitration involving you may filled and you may be blocked.--Mbuk 06:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
See if you wisharticle. I'll link it to wiki Tirana to cheer up the reader. Apostolos Margaritis
Yassou Niko. Dhen eime ego o Bonapartis Apostolos Margaritis 15:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Why are you really giving such importance and exposure -via Khoikhoi- to a 4ever banned (and irrelevant if irreverentious) user such as Bonaparte? What's your point I don't get you really? The same applies to the Gligorov quote. He was for a while in the 1990's President of the Republic of Macedonia. So what? He was a Titoist of the old school and what he had once said IS NOT in any way relevant to the current stance of the Government of that country. Shall I start to look now for quotes of the Greek Colonels and Junta copy&paste them on my discussion page and then pass them as relevant and updated stuff which characterize the Greece of today? Apostolos Margaritis 15:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
BTW There are incipient radio broadcasts and education in Kurdish language in Turkey. No such delicacies for the Arvanites and Vlachs of Greece available as yet. What matters is the stance of the state and not what banned individuals such as X or Y (sometimes Greek provocateurs in disguise) clamour to say. In that respect Turkey has made courageous steps in order to tackle the lack of rights of its ethnic minorities. Not the same thing can be said alas! about the Greek state Apostolos Margaritis 15:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Kurdistan Observer Turkey's parliament voted in August to allow TV and radio stations to broadcast in regional languages such as Kurdish. EU countries welcomed the reform but ... home.cogeco.ca/~konews/ 20-11-02-kurdish-to-be-aired-tky.html - 30k - Cached - Similar pages
BBC News - Country Profile: Turkey Kurdish-language broadcasts, banned for many years, were introduced by the state ... Turkish Radio and Television (TRT) - state broadcaster, operates four ... news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/ europe/country_profiles/1022222.stm - 73k - Cached - Similar pages
Telex, if you go to the top of Category:Macedonian newspapers it clearly states: "This category contains articles related to the Republic of Macedonia". Last time I check Macedonia (newspaper) is not related to the Republic of Macedonia. Unless that heading is changed the category you are placing Macedonia (newspaper) is wrong.[33]. Also Category:Macedonian culture falls under again the Republic of Macedonia, so that newspaper is a Greek newspaper and does not belong in that category. ~Controlls, 21 June 2006
Here are the categories that might need disambiguaition (Republic vs. region):
Yes I can delete your userpage if you would like. Please please the following tag on that page: ((db-owner)) This will add it to the CSD category, which I will go through shortly. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 21:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering, how many days exactly did it took for the first Greek Parliament, to choose between Albanian and Greek as the official language? greier 13:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
BTW, I'm thinking that the only way of getting that Arvanites article stabilized in the long run is to get it to featured-article status. Want to share your ideas? I've been in contact with Matia off-wiki discussing a few things - first want to have a consensus in place about the politically sensitive wording things and then tackle the rest. In these special circumstances I think some private off-wiki "negotiations" between the principal interested parties is legitimate. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I blocked the IP. - FrancisTyers · 14:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Telex, I m very pleased that finally after all these reverts you as well as Hectorian understand that it is very important as well as NPOV to include the Greek name on Istanbul article, if we want to include any Turkish name on Alexandroupoli or Xanthi. However the minute they revert again the Greek name I ll start erasing every Turkish naming from all Greek articles.Thank you.Mywayyy 15:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Can you explain why do you feel the need to put the Greek name in the introduction? DeliDumrul 14:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Would you please kind enough to explain yourself? Why do we need to include the names in the other languages anyways? All governments in the world use Istanbul when corresponding in English, so as all the English media. I don't see any point in including any other names in the main article, as there is already another article on other names of Istanbul and a link to that article in the main article. I would understand inclusion of the Turkish alphabet version (but i don't find it crucial), because that would be what you see when you go to the city. DeliDumrul 15:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
It`s clear that you reverted not because you actually knew what it was all about, but because it was me. Simple as that. You went to history, saw my edit and, without knowing what it was all about, you reverted because I`m a nationalist... So I don`t need your "compasion", as my opinion of you, formed a long time ago, doesn`t allow such acts from people like you or Khoikhoi... greier
Hi! You might like to take a look at the newly-non-redirected Pirin Macedonia article and share your thoughts whether we need it as a separate article from Blagoevgrad Province. I for one think we should merge the new info from Pirin Macedonia in Blagoevgrad Province and re-redirect it back to where it belongs. Not to mention it could become sort of a craddle of Macedonism if the hounds get wind of it. Todor→Bozhinov 15:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
“ | Aegean Macedonia is another name for Belomorska Trakia | ” |
It's incorrect; I remember seeing User:VMORO pointing that out somewhere. --Tēlex 15:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Turns out Macedonian isn't Bulgarian after all (at least thats what I think it says) — maybe I'm wrong? - FrancisTyers · 22:33, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, could you folks please help and keep an eye on the Souliotes article? It seems like just when we are close to pacifying the Arvanites for good, some people are determined to open up the same old story on other articles, doggedly trying to minimize all references to the ethnic Albanian contribution to the Greek nation at all costs. One user, User:Sshadow goes as far as to claim that prior to 1913(!) no Albanians even existed... Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
refering to: [36] The historical periods of the city Istanbul were based on state designations, which were classified on the empires ore states that ruled the city; They are not based on the language such as "period of Istanbul"; or Istanbul period; Don't you think this naming wars are becoming really absurde? Please revert your changes. Thnks--OttomanReference 17:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I just realized now that the articles had name sections. —Khoikhoi 19:11, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. (ESkog)(Talk) 16:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Solanki etc
Thanks for the help.
It is hard to a get a good article going, when some people insist on reverting material, for the sake of it.
Ravi Chaudhary 17:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Ravi Chaudhary 17:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for changing your user page. I don't know what made you to change that, but now we can talk like two normal human beings. Mutual respect is the first step in understanding each other. Best regards. --Cigor 22:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
With two words you have brilliantly restored the NPOV we should so selflessly protect.
If this is about Russian Architecture, I have just restored it to something close to your version. Reason: Mbuk reverted pointing to talk about your change, where I could not see anything recently added. Note that I also corrected a gramamtical error in the text. "hundreds years" -> "hundreds of years". Keep up the good work! --[[User_talk:Pan_Gerwazy]] 07:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Slightly confused as to what is going on here, can you be more specific ? Judging by the amount of reverting going on I might just protect the article. - FrancisTyers · 12:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Please vote: Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 June 28#Template:POV-tag --Ghirla -трёп- 18:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Telex, I agree with you that comunism was wrong society, but after all mine people got partial freedom under that eastern regime, something that by novadays states is not recognised by "some" reasons. --Vlatko 20:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
The purpose of the tag is to represent the view opposite to that represented in the article. The present version of the article reflects the view of one side of the dispute. In my opinion, it is not neutral. I marked our disagreement with the tag, which reflects my view. You may disagree with my view. Then let's work together to find a common point. Please do not edit the tag and do not replace it by another one.--AndriyK 21:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I've now written a little template for making the daily reports more efficient. Please see User:Future Perfect at Sunrise/Rajput report, and what it does here and here. I'll appreciate any ideas or modifications on how to improve it. By the way, I'd suggest you and your valiant friends should make it a rule not to revert the guy until he's blocked for the day, that would make it a bit more efficient. If you like the template, we could move it to your space, "User:Telex" is quicker to type than "User:Future Perfect at Sunrise". --Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Its a user I registered to make my sig smaller, like User:N! for Niko. I wanted to have my talk page in my sig, but I didn't want a monsterous sig, so this seemed like a reasonable idea. I didn't intend to edit from it, but I think I may have made one edit by accident. - FrancisTyers · 21:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Have a look at the statements which I deleted. There were all uncited, unhistorical and POV. Mitsos 10:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
This edit [41] of yours is fine by me:). I am not getting it anywhere, but honestly, i cannot even guess where are you getting it:/... your previous edit was like 'definately the Byzantine Empire was not Greek', although most scholars and sources disagree... --Hectorian 19:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
We need one for Greeks, too. The current one is awaiting speedy deletion at Commons. Jkelly 01:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
To 'xera oti tha mou to eleges afto:p. ta katwitalika exoun meikti proelefsi (kathws meiktos itan kai o apoikismos tis perioxis apo Iones, Aeoleis, Dorieis), kai kuriotata attiki, logw tis ellinistikis koinis kai tis byzantinis ellinikis. mono ta tsakonika proerxontai apo ti doriki dialekto, eimai sigouros. --Hectorian 17:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Here is the census data by ethnic group and province. According to it, there were 3,408 people who declared to be Greek (1,157 in the City of Sofia, 766 in Plovdiv Province are the larger numbers). Todor→Bozhinov 19:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Stop the reverting on Arvanites. Please! Both of you...! -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:07, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey, take a deep breath, okay? :-) You know I like you and your work, but between friends, I must say you should be a bit more cautious about using quick repeated reverts as a routine measure (except in cases like the Mutant Killer Rajputs, of course.) Don't let that become a habit, okay? I've seen people branded as edit-warriors at Arbcom for much less, just because they had been innocently standing near some dispute that happened to escalate to Arbcom later, and had a couple of reverts in their edit histories. -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
general wikithanks for doing thankless jobs like looking after trolls and Mutant Killer Rajputs :) But also, along with Fut.Perf.'s cousel, remember to keep a cool head whenever you feel emotionally involved. Try to recuse and trust others when you feel your nationality, creed, political stance or preference of yoghurt flavour is involved. dab (ᛏ) 17:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
By adding an infobox to the Torbesh article you are suggesting that they are not counted as Macedonians in the census - but are in fact an ethnic minority. If this is the case, then an infobox is applicable. However, if they are included as ethnic Macedonians in Macedonians (ethnic group) then you are establishing a whole new ethnicity by adding the population box. Please think over what you're pressing upon the article. All in all, the infobox is unnecessary. Please consider re-removing it. 72.153.53.35 22:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Pomaks live in Turkey as well though - they do not constitute ethnic Bulgarians in that nation. It's different. Torbesh - it says in the article at least - are ethnic Macedonians. 72.153.53.35 22:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh my! Haha thats a classic. I'm slightly confused about their vision of Yugoslavia, will it be a Hellenic client state??? Bosnia is certainly looking not so too well off! - FrancisTyers · 22:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
as you wish :) - FrancisTyers · 23:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Provinces is a region, which its borders are drawn by the country that owns the region. So if we say province we understand political region. Not cultural or geographical. You are adding those politcal regions 1 by 1 like jigsaw pieces which creates a big "political" region and it is called Kurdistan. May I ask what is the purpose? --Kokotek 00:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Your have endorsed the summary by Alex Bakharev at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Irpen which misinforms the community. Alex Bakharev wrote about Russian architecture: "There is no discussion on the talk page, no suggestions on improving the article". In fact there was (and still is) a discussion on the talk page and solution has been proposed. (Please see Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Irpen#Comment_to_the_summary_by_Alex_Bakharev_and_others). I suggest you to withdraw your signature under the summary.--AndriyK 08:40, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, User:Ετσιθελωωω is back and still determined to have it Hiswayyy on the Turkish-Greek placenames issues. Ωρέ Τέλεκς τι να κάνουμε τελικά; -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex. No, really, are you serious? In my opinion we can't really accept weasel words like "Macedonian human rights activists in Greece"; and even if an activist, there is a minimum of relevance that should be respected, as not all statements have the same value.--Aldux 11:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
In the article Macedonians ethnic, you were over enthusiastic and rushed in blind with you revert. Your rushed reverts have re-created the state of Serbia and Montenegro (it no longer exists); they have erased the clarification that it is a militant group of Slav Macedonians who claim that the 5,000 in Bulgaria are oppressed; the revert has re-introduce the term Aegean Macedonia where it is Greek Macedonia. It would be a good idea to be a little more eclectic with reverts. If your look at the results I think you will agree with me. Politis 12:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Goce Delchev. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. the above applies to me also. We don't want 3RR casualties on such a WP:LAME edit war. Bomac 16:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, the IP is registered in Bulgaria. To be honest, I don't think its worth going for CheckUser, just sort it out on the talk page. - FrancisTyers · 19:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
inetnum: 84.43.128.0 - 84.43.159.255 netname: MNETBG descr: MNET Internet provider descr: Varna 9000, Bulgaria country: BG
Hi,
Why did you deleted my warnings from user:Bormalagurski's page. Plase note that removing warnings is considered vandalism. --Ante Perkovic 19:34, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree, lets end that. We should... start from the begining. Hi, my name is Boris :) --serbiana - talk 19:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't see any particular problem with it. See WP:TPG and WP:USER, soapboxing is definately out! :) Depending on how many there are, you should make a list of ones you remove in a subpage to your userpage so someone else can look over them — me if you like, or make a note on WP:AN/I. - FrancisTyers · 20:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
(rv. sockpuppet. Sshadow, Deucalionite or whoever it it - I advise against what you're doing; a positive IP check could result in a block.)
I want to know why you suppose I am a sockpuppet. It could be you who reverted it to cause conflict. Bring the IP address on. — Sshadow 10:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Probably. Nevertheless, the revert he did @ Souliotes was justified. The latest additions f.ex. the names of Souliote fighters written in Albanian, what's the point of that? That language didn't even exist when those people were around. — Sshadow 11:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Telex, could you please take a look at Demographic history of Kosovo, I would like a second opinion. One user constantly removes a template linking the article to other Serbian topics which led to a little revert war between me and him. What is your view on this, am I mistaken in insiting that the template should stay? TSO1D 21:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Please read here [42]. Thank you. Adriatikus 07:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, please see my note at Talk:Georgia (country). I am willing to go to great lengths to show you I have no intention of this affecting Macedonia related issues if you consider changing your vote. - FrancisTyers · 12:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
He's only using Anon-IPs so I'll semi-protect those pages. Did you see my note above? - FrancisTyers · 11:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Ετσιθέλωωω is fast steering towards an indef ban now. There's a notice by Fran on AN/I, and a new report page (also usable as a vandal reporting template) at User:FPaS/Mywayyy. Your thoughts? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
The seem to treat certain facts the way they'd like them to be, without taking other facts in consideration. It's funny and highly unprofessional to support your irredentist claims with such speculative theories, but sadly, this is what a whole newly-emerged nation has been taught at their schools for a number of decades now. The bad thing is they truly believe in it and disregard any evidence proving them wrong, as authoritative as it could be.
Umm, if Goce Delchev had one said 'I'm a pure Bulgarian, f*ck the Macedonians', then they possibly would've interpreted it as 'I'm a pure Orthodox Christian Slav, f*ck the Muslim Albanians from Macedonia' :) I can imagine that...
They (the ethnic Macedonians) are just looking for their identity in the past, for any historical grounds to prove their right to exist as a separate people, and I understand them and feel for them, but the serious science wouldn't ever find any evidence supporting their claims. They have to understand they're a new people, recognize their Bulgarian past, drop the Ancient Macedonians ancestry bullsh*t, and live as a separate people in their separate country in peace with their neighbours. No one has the desire to deny their right to exist, but in return they have to respect their neighbours' (Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, Albanians) history, not try to steal it.
And, of course, they have to leave all Solun, Gorna Dzumaja, Gora and Prohor Pchinski and Mala Prespa and Golo Brdo aspirations in the past. They're totally inappropriate in our multicultural world and our Europe of tolerance. Todor→Bozhinov 12:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Σαν καλτσομαριονέτα μου φαίνεται ένας καινούργιος που γράφει για το συνηθισμένο θέμα και με ιστορικό όνομα χρήστη. Αλλά δεν πειράζει. Politis 12:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Does the Greek government recognise Turks as an ethnic minority? Or does it not place them under the "Muslim minority" category? Why is this nonsense? --A.Garnet 13:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Oops! Sorry :) Well, I can always ask bogdan to close them, just give me the sign. - FrancisTyers · 15:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Cigor etc. Well, I've seen he's reverted once, if this is his IP. The IP is registered as below, and I've checked it for an open proxy, and it isn't running one (at least not a public open proxy). I'd say monitor the situation and if it gets more I'll either block the IP or semi-protect the page. But a single revert by an anon isn't really a big enough deal for semi-protection. Let me know if it escalates. - FrancisTyers · 20:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
OrgName: University Hospitals Health System OrgID: UHHS Address: 11100 Euclid Avenue City: Cleveland
Sadly there is vandalism by 62.162.188.110 and user: Andrej Machkovski in article Macedonia (region). Politis 15:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Telex can you take a look at the article on Francesco Crispi. I think there are enough sources that support Crispi`s Arbëreshë origin. But one user is all the time trying to change this. Can you do anything? Have a nice day—Preceding unsigned comment added by Noah30 (talk • contribs)
Would I be uninvolved after this? What do you think? Jkelly 20:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I think WP:PAIN should be deleted as a pointless bluff and troll playground. According to WP:BLOCK, application of the so-called disruption clause is limited to addresses or usernames that disrupt the normal functioning of Wikipedia, or pose any kind of threat to it. Personal attacks and incivility are not included in the list and I think they oughtn't to, as they're not half as dramatic as the examples listed, nor do they disrupt the normal functioning of Wikipedia, or pose any kind of threat to it. In other words, the threat of a block for personal attacks is a bluff, and an actual block is violation of policy (with the exception of cases where there is community consensus - this is why I believe that consensus should be gathered first). In my opinion, personal attacks for established and experiences users should be handled as follows:
Personally, I ignore personal attacks, and think everyone else should do the same (i.e. don't feed the troll). More harm could occasion from a specific policy regarding personal attacks (abuse of privilege) than anything good, due to the affluent concept of a personal attack. User:MatriX (formerly User:Bitola) seems to think that calling people from FYROM 'FYROM nationals' constitutes a personal attack. I think that the warning he served to the user saying that qualifies as trolling. What do you think? --Tēlex 21:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
As a past participant in the discussion on how to handle the Georgia pages, I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new attempt to reach consensus on the matter being addressed at Talk:Georgia (country)#Requested_Move_-_July_2006. Please come by and share your thoughts to help form a consensus. --Vengeful Cynic 04:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think we're getting anywhere with the Kosovo introduction, particularly since Ferick has openly rejected WP:NPOV and is now refusing to discuss sources. Accordingly, I've submitted a request for mediation. Please indicate on that page whether you consent to having the matter mediated. -- ChrisO 09:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. There is a move request for several Palaeologus/Palaiologos dynasty emperors at Talk:List of Byzantine Emperors. I tought you might be interested in.--Panairjdde 22:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex, you once mentioned you had the text of that old "Arvanitic manifesto" somewhere. Could you send it to me? I'm making some plans for tidying up and rewriting that article, and I think that might be something interesting to include. Also, could you perhaps find in Biris some information about the strength of Arvanite presence in Athens in the 19th century? Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Yesterday, you deleted the dispute tag at Ukrainization. I would like to point you out that the dispute concerning this article has not been resolved yet. There is a discussion at the talk. Please join the discussion instead of removing the tag.--Mbuk 08:51, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
How do you want it moved, Muslim minority (Greece) or Muslim minority in Greece as Duja suggested? I'll either close this, because even though I voted, the outcome is unanimous or I'll get bogdan to do it. - FrancisTyers · 09:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Telex, lets be clear. At the moment I've got to do some things, but I'm intentioned to treat Objectivee's edits for what they are, POV vandalism; anf it there is a thing I feel is important, it is the observance of NPOV. That said, thanks for you-know-what; now I've obtained support from all three nations involved ;-). Ciao, --Aldux 11:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
--Aldux 12:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. There's a debate about how much "X-ian" one must be in order to be considered "X-American" (or X-Yian for that matter) and be categorized as such. The poll is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans. Kindly weigh in! :NikoSilver: 22:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, could you consider stop editwarring on the tags at Ukrainization article and engage in the dispute instead ? --Lysytalk 09:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Telex,
Thanks for the heads-up and support!
Wow, I really tread on a landmine there! (I am neither Greek nor Macedonian, and although I am familiar with the controversy, I thought the article was straight down the line... I was wrong!)
Anyway, hopefully the disambiguation page will sort things out!
Cheers,
AWN
Id rather say the ethquette fYROM and the word as a whole is funnier. Bomac 14:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Fascinating -- I'd never heard of the Arvanites until visiting your Wiki-homepage.
AWN2 14:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)AWN2AWN2 14:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello :)
I have tried to clarify someone's post of the term "Vardar Macedonia" on my "Jews in the Republic of Macedonia" article. I am not sure if the term is a loaded Greek or Macedonian term -- take a look at the article if ou get a chance and let me know what you think. I am also messaging Bomac to get his thoughts...
Cheers AWN2 16:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)AWN2AWN2 16:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
koita tin allhlografia sou --Hectorian 18:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I think that re:the evangelists statistics, we can see that it is wrong in many places. If you go into Greece, Turks [45] it shows half the Greek islands as Turkish. There are many other mistakes. I think we can show our ability to discern sources of information. You probably see that source in a different way. Politis 19:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Eeep siga ta mousmoula. No hatred dear friend, really, and there was no intension to upset its author (shor term or long term), on the contrary. I think you are overestimating my ability to focus on all pieces of sourced information, that is why it is alway good to have people pointing them out. In fact, I would have done exactly the same with the "Macedonian" minority in Greece; I think that you suggesting that I erase it? Of course I will do it because the last thing I want is to raise suspicions. I agree with you that we need to be fair to all sides. And it must be your sense of humour that the people of those Greek islands are populated by people of Turkish origin. Politis 19:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Kampanaki+Kampanaki+Kampanaki = Tria Kampanakia! :NikoSilver: 21:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
A user was concerned that you tried to blackmail on the Talk Page of Macedonia during a revert war that left Luka Jačov blocked for 3rr, please be a little more civil. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 22:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, no problems, thanks for your reply. Jaranda wat's sup 22:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, that'll be the first article we're not bitching too much about! :-) :NikoSilver: 22:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, were you aware of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Telex? Let me know if you want me to get involved. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
A Request for comment about your conduct has been filled.--AndriyK 10:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Can you believe this? I see from this visit to your talk-page that you are having problems. Tell me how I can help. Regards, ImpuMozhi 12:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
You bet. --HRE 18:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Re.: Rajputs, give it up, VoA's bot has been assimilated by the mutants. You and I are going to be next. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I do not seem to have received email from you. do try again... dab (ᛏ) 21:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Please stop you edit warring at Ukrainization. Edits like these, [47], [48], [49], [50], serve only to continue the ongoing edit war and are not productive. Edit warring is never acceptable or appropriate; edit warring never improves a conflict, but always makes it worse; the proper response to a content dispute is talk page discussion and dispute resolution. You are not a new editor, and the article has already been protected before, so I'm giving you and the rest of the edit warriors there a 24 hour block to cool down. Dmcdevit·t 04:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh well, the pronounciation is the key :) Actually, the yat represented a vowel in Proto-Slavic which has developed to become various vowels in the different Slavic languages, so, basically, neither the letter nor the vowel exist in any modern Slavic language and alphabet. But they've left us a legacy :)
In Bulgarian, the yat vowel became 'e' ([ɛ]) west of a given line (called an isogloss), the yat border, and 'ya' ([ja]) east of it. West of the line (among others) remain the dialects of almost all of Macedonia, so the modern Macedonian language has bel for 'white' (beli plural), to give an example. On the other hand, Bulgarian phonology is a compromise of west and east pronounciation, so we have byal singular for 'white' and beli plural.
The yat (dropped after WWII) used to represent both sounds ([ja] and [ɛ]), so it was a symbol of unity of the west and east pronounciation. It thus evolved into a symbol of unity of the Bulgarian language and the Macedonian dialects, and that's the sense it's used in on this website.
Serbo-Croatian has the same differentiation, by the way — there the yat became either e (like in Western Bulgaria and the Republic of Macedonia), i or ije/je.
That's it. Hope my explanations aren't too confusing :) If anything's not clear, then don't hesitate to ask me to explain it better. Todor→Bozhinov 13:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
"Minority groups in Greece si Hellenization. Te rog sa intervii si tu in incercarea de a stavili ethnocentrismul si ultranationalismu grec. Check out the edits. Ce fac ei nu se cheama weasel words? Si de ce sterg labelul sectfact cand e clar ca (cel putin) acea sectiune nu e NPOV. Te rog sa intervii. (Bogdan a facuto) Mersi 20:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)"
"Minority groups in Greece and Hellenization. Please intervene and try to hold back the greek ethnocentrism and ultranationalism. Check out the edits. What I do * not to * weasel words? And why delete the sectfact label when it is clear that (very a bit) this section is not NPOV. Please intervene. (Bogdan has done) Thanks"
That's the best I can do for now :) Hope it is clear enough. I couldn't work out "se cheama", but I think the meaning is reasonably clear. - FrancisTyers · 22:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Haha that is a classic! :) - FrancisTyers · 22:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, is there a particular reason why you moved the Minority groups in Greece to Minorities in Greece and then back again? - Just for the record, I personally would support the move. If you find people objecting for the usual reasons of Greek allergy against the M word, let me know. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Macedonians (ethnic group)#Please give me a good reason - FrancisTyers · 10:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Text added in demographics and linguistics. Please comment.:NikoSilver: 12:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I have created two new articles: Re-hellenization and De-hellenization. both of them are sourced+references. i hope that u can help in expanding them. Thanks --Hectorian 18:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, can you please explain why you classified the citation sourced FYROM data with your unsourced figure [51] and called it reversion of vandalism? Thanks. Dr.K. 10:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
About population figures, I prefer official census data if available. It's true that in the official FYROM census 422 Greeks were recorded and there are other sources placing their numbers as 20,000. The official Albanian census found 58,785, and there are sources placing their number at 280,000. The Bulgarian census recorded 3,408 Greeks, whereas other sources place their figure at 7,500, and in Hungary, 2,509 Greeks were recorded, but there are other sources claiming 6,000. I think the official census data should go in the infobox, and if there are other estimates, they should be cited in the main text if necessary. --Tēlex 10:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
HAHA! (I literally laughed out loud) Awesome -- I'm tempted to protect the page, I think they'd benefit from "discussion" on the talk page :) - FrancisTyers · 22:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure that Greier's blocked? Judging from his block log, at the moment he's not. But if problems continue to involve the article, I'll consider semi-protecting the article on the ground of constant disruption.--Aldux 11:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Regarding your last edit [55]: i cannot understand why u removed it (but also cannot understand why this was added there...). they are orthodox priests and the rites and sacraments they perform are considered valid by all orthodox. the problem with the Macedonian Orthodox Church relys on its status, not on wether its priests are capable of baptising, etc. all the orthodox churches accepts them as orthodox priests, but consider them to belong to the Serbian Patriarchate (these too things are totally different). --Hectorian 19:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Mporeis na breis sources gia:
Nomizw esy ta pros8eses ayta. Bale tis phges sto Macedonia (terminology). Estw kai e8nikistika sites (opws ayto tou Gerkomani, kanoun). Eyxaristw. :NikoSilver: 10:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Please exercise some caution and restrain in altering the changes made in the Ethnic Makedonian Page. There is some dispute for some of the matters, but it is not really serious. You cannot start a category called Ancient Times, by the phrase modern Mekedonians. Best ofcourse not to have a category at all, but if you insist... All changes to the article were made with caution, are accurate and have a bibliological backround, which i can provide. It is not advisable to delete all changes and step-back to a previous form of the text. It does not show respect to fellow users and ofcourse can provoke a similar reaction. Thanks in advance Haas
I have a neutral point of view, since i gave no subjective opinions in these matters.I an neither Greek or "Makedonian" Of course i have to admit beeing much more favourable for Greek arguments in this debate, and therefore my remarks were not evenly balanced. I dont thnik that this is the objective. If there are serious arguments fopr both sides i do promote them. I will abstain from further changes but will insist into these 2 points. First the matter of the Ancient Madekonians which is transparent. Secondly, i consider the refference of an opinio juris in the International Organization System completely inaccurate. The Makedonias (sic) have of course the right of self definition and that right is respectes. But self definition has limits, the matter is historical, political, and legal. The UN system, and to a much greater extent all others (econimically orientered)International Organizations has indeed a functionallistic approach and cares only of the exeistance of the state and not a nation. Although things may rapidly change in the immidiate future, at this point there a recognition of a Makedonian nation has not occured in International Institutional Politics. These matters belong to my field of expertiese and i would gladly provide refferences, providing of course tha i see that my effort is initially respected. I have some furhter observations for matters regarding the linquistic minority.I am very familiar with the fact that this is an actuall linquistic and cultural minority that has a perception of belonging to the Greek Nation. On the contrary the Muslim religious minority is a very different case. I will as a token of good will abstain from furhter changes to this or other matters, but do insist to my 2 fist observations.
Thanks in Advance
Ps: I dont know how this article was created, but i spotted some not so neutral small additions (expecially in wording) in the history of the text. I have to notice that there are completely inaccurate and that by revising my changes as a whole, you have defended the galantly. I dont as i already described possible a neutral point of view, and to the same extent that i done have one same applies tou you.
Telex, i am sorry i use this page to reply like that.
I do admit that my changes were unbalanced. As i said i was observing the history and making changes in the places that i felt that a subtle effort was made to create impressions. I thank you for the observations, and i see your point. When i have more time at my hands i will make a more prudent effort.
ps: i do insist to the point of accuracy. i do not mislead. Glad to see so many vigilant people
Haas
OK, OK, I believe you. Probably is just another freak nationalist (like many others here). Bomac 17:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Telex! Come on, you know its not a personal hatred! Isn't that statement real?
BTW, nothing personal. Bomac 17:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
'"there are minority communities in Greek Macedonia with their own dialect and history but where the overwhelming majority consists of Greeks (who are also known as Macedonians in the region), as well as in Albania and Bulgaria"
Talking of bad english... This phrase does seem to make sense. Am i not entitle to change it? Seems not.
(In any case between you and me there is no seperate history and if you beleive so please make some reffereces to you sources).
The lack of refferences is quite evident in the whole of the text. I do not see why i should provide bibliography for altering (in good faith) passages that state important but in a way unaccurate facts and do not have any reffences to back them up. In any case, i will do so if anyone asks me for it but i wont lose my time when it seems that certain people are quite satisfied with their wotk and do not accept comments and corrections.(but if this is the case they should not write here, really)
As for the ancient period paragraph. It is quite misleading since it does not refer to ancient times at all. Propably should exclude all the passage from text. It is indeed a controversial article and a very amusing one to follow up, from its creation to the seemingly result. Is like drafting a treaty between hostal tribes. The fact that large parts of the outcome derive from original contributions with very clear, highly nationalistic positions for the one (mostly) and the other side is absolutely charming.
Considering all that, i think that i propably could lower my expectations but of course not abandon them. This article has flaws and can be improved. The fact that is controversial should not be considered a problem. There is no thing like status quo ante in wiki as far as i know. In any case my alterations reffer to comonly accepted facts undisputed by all sides. I will sincerely continue keeping you company in your efforts. Thanks in advance Haas
ps: i am not a freak nationalist. The choice of words should be more carefull. You are lowering the level here Bomac (and may i add: an impresseive page, wow! I wonder if you can tell the same thing for yourself...)
Well you created it wit the Funk, and the SILVER. No comment, do some critisism to your self. Insteed of beeing pragmatic you are idols of your self--Vlatko 06:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I have some questions about that photo, can you come to the Pontian Greek Genocide page and help clarify it? --Awiseman 16:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Eixes kapou ena link pou elege poso pseudoscientific einai h ypo-Saharia proelevsh twn Ellhnwn. Mou to les se parakalw giati den to briskw? :NikoSilver: 16:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi there! I think the Turkish source about Kotzamanis figure is more detailed and reliable. The Turkish source says (having followed the whole conference) the figure is 4,720 people, a considerable portion in the figure are "Antiochians" (no figure on the ratio constituted by Antiochians are given). [57] This seems to constitute a problem: will we place a more detailed and relevant news report, which is in a language not known to most people, or a summary one that is in English? Ciao! --Behemoth 17:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Since the discussion in the edit comments is being carried mainly in Albanian, could you stress the importance of 3RR to Objetivee please? /FunkyFly.talk_ 20:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
To sigekrimeno dokumento Epistola Enciclica, einai mia Papiki Egkiklios (EGRECIAE VIRTUTIS) kai taftochrona i anagnwrisi (tis 31-12-1980, apo ton Papa Ioanni ton B') tis Romeo-Katholikis Ekklisias, sto prosopo ton Kirilloy kai Methodiou, aderfwn, Ellinwn, ek tis perioxis Thessalonikis (Cirillo e Metodio, fratelli, greci, nativi di Tessalonica...) ... os Pateres tis Europis. --Asteraki 21:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
tung telex,
nuk e di a i ke mare mesazhet a maperparme qe ti kam derguar...?
per temen qe diskutoet "albanians in the r.of mac." kjo teme ose duhet qe te hiqet, ose te mbahet ne balanc opinioni, sepse, alduxi sikur duket po behet fjala se eshte neutral sov o mov ose ku ta di une, por ne fakt teksti qe deshiron aji eshte i njeanshem, dhe disa referenca qe perdoren jan te njeanshme gjithastu, ashtuqe i gjit teksti i pershtatet anes maqedonase... per kete arsye ne qofte se je shqiptar do kisha pritur qe te me (na) ndihmoje ne kete drejtim.
pershendetje,
objectivee
Hi Telex! I'm David and I am a pretty frequent user on Wikipedia. Anyway I noticed you archieved the coversation on the page for Greeks, but several people have continued to use the talk page on the archieved page. I'm inclined you let you fix this, since you might have a better idea what's going on. Maybe it would help to put an archieve label at the top of the both of the archieve pages. Davidpdx 04:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Telex... "those people that their leaders at least self-identified as Greeks"??? This sounds ridiculous, and more important sounds quite inaccurate. It is higly unlikely that the Macedonians spoke anything else than a form of Greek and there are certainly no solid evidence supporting such a suggestion. Furthemore despite the isolation of the Makedonians from other Greek tribes, the scientific evidence supporting the fact that the Makedonians were in fact Greeks are overwhelming. In any case if someone feels important to use mitohondrial DNA testing in order to feel complete as human being, no problem there. I am pretty sure that ethnic origins in the Balcans are so mixed up that after some extensive testing all will be considerd brothers and all problems will be solved. (now thats a sollution!!!) But dont go to far to please overgrown egos... (Haas K. D. 02:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC))
Armenian Page, etch is page in Western Armenian transliteration, whereas I would transliterate it as ej.--Eupator 15:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
We're almost done for the FA status, but there is too little time to deal with some final opjections, mainly in citation. Your help is needed, see talk! :NikoSilver: 15:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Se afora ki esena. xaxaxaxaxaxa! Eleeinh brwmokaltsa! xaxxaxa! :NikoSilver: 01:09, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Got you tan already? :) /FunkyFly.talk_ 17:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Jeez, that's way too many. I would go with 10, and then add the rest to Greek diaspora. Since they don't seem to match, use your best judgement of what is the better source, or give ranges between the two numbers. Hope that helped. —Khoikhoi 21:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
hello telex. I am not so interested in Greek Albanian relations but I have read many times in serious Albanians newspapers and Albanian blogs about Northern Epirus, and all of them do not recognize such a term. Recently the term was used by a Greek president and both the authorities and public reacted. I see that you can Albanian, so you can check it yourself. Best regards --Noah30 07:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification but see, Macedonian by itself is not an ethnic identification, rather georgraphical. The article does not equate it with ethnicity, and uses it as a regional designator. /FunkyFly.talk_ 19:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Seen it at last ;-) --Telex 19:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)