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The result was speedy close as the first one isn't even closed yet. —Kurykh 17:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Emma Bentley[edit]

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lulz Wwowbaby 17:42, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Mhiji 23:23, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Glossary of paintball terms (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)

Not a Dictionary so it has Glossary of terms .Pharaoh of the Wizards 11:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete JoshuaZ 18:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Victoria's Secret Fashion Show Themes[edit]

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Non-notable list, unsourced. Oli Filth 23:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Far too self-promotional, virtually all external links are self-referential. And yes, as an llc, the organizations and companies notability guideline does apply. Future recreation remains an option, but only with these concerns having been fully addressed. El_C 20:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Team Pandemic[edit]

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This page is basically an advertisment for this group of video game players and their "partners". I don't feel it asserts enough notability to survive AfD, so I'm putting it up. DurinsBane87 16:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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That TWO tonight ;) I would simply say they are ORGANIZED and a huge step above a clan, winning actual money (that is notable) and sponsored by one of the largest computer makers (one week ago on Dell.com's site, notable) and are not playing a single game, thus they are professional gamers, not people who play "a" game. Ok, they need to trim the spam from the ARTICLE, but they are unique in gaming and noteworthy, even if the article needs work, which isn't a reason to delete. Ok, it barely makes it under the wire, but they are very far from some CS clan with a long flash intro using free web hosting. Pharmboy 01:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Then it's good your not an admin, as it doesn't meet speedy in any way (according to the actual speedy policies), regardless of any other opinion of the article. Dell's sponsoring seems to be a secondary source as well, an actual endorsement.
* http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=823484475&channel=823412078 where they are competing in China (international competition seems noteworthy, they aren't just geeks sitting in mom's basement)
* AGAIN, the link above is covered by multiple news outlets, including [OLGN], and [ZoneRank (China)], [Statesman.com] and others. I don't know the guys, don't really care except policy seems to getting ignored simply because of what they WERE, and not what they ARE. They ARE organized, compete internationally (ie: fly there, not from home), have the endorsement and funding from Dell, generating winnings, and every game blog (albeit, tiny sites) has covered them. It is a novel field as well. I fail to see how this makes them NOT noteworthy. They need to trim the garbage out of the article, BUT this is not a valid reason to delete the article, it is a reason to tag it or edit it out. I am just confused as to why others here can't seem to find all the 3rd party references, and I'm tired of doing others dirty work. Pharmboy 19:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
None of those are particulary reliable sources. Get me the New York Times technology or business pages, or the Wall Street journal. Please read and understand WP:CORP. Yes they might be notable enough to deserve mention in an article related to gaming in wikipedia, but not enough to justify a corporate page. Please keep advertising out of wikipedia. Thanks!--Cerejota 23:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Statesman.com is the web outlet of the Austin American Statesman, a print newspaper founded in 1871 serving Austin, Texas. Are you suggesting this is not a reliable source? --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 10:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article is a good source for Dell, but it is not about Team Pandemic. Riding someone else's notability is not reliable sourcing. A reliable source is not just a publication but the ocntext of the actual source itself. Thanks!--Cerejota 06:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree the spammier portions need removing, but that is an edit and shouldn't be used as a question of whether they are notable or not. Also, I gave just a few quick links, there are hundreds from smaller sites the sheer volume of references from small but real sites is more than adequate, and it is easy to look and see this. AND the first link I gave is from DELL's site. Keep and remove the advert parts of it. They are notable, they just don't know how to write a proper Wikipedia article. Pharmboy 19:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Pharmboy's findings and this which seems to suggest the team was featured on CBS Sports this past weekend. I'm not getting the WP:CORP argument as this seems to be a sports team of sorts, not a corporation. Spam needs removing.--Sethacus 05:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article itself say it is a corporation. Professional sports teams are subjected to WP:CORP too, and we have deleted non-notable professional sports teams before.--Cerejota 06:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete JoshuaZ 18:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mook Productions, LLC.[edit]

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I previously nominated this article for non controversial deletion, but the tag was removed so I will do it here. This page falls under 'blatant advertisement' and fails WP:NOTE, as a search reveals only this wiki page and the companies' own page. References are only praise of the company. Ravenmasterq 23:18, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:28, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blackened thrash metal[edit]

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This is an unused term and play upon Blackened Death Metal based purely on editors opinions of how heavy a Black/Death album is. Note also Deathrash which was previously (and will again soon be) deleted due to consensus of a the same specultive inbetween genres of Death and Thrash Metal. Jimmi Hugh 17:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Worker file manager[edit]

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Non-notable software. No 3rd party sources to indicate how this software is notable. Almost no changes since the article was tagged back in May for notability issues so now its up for deletion. --Hdt83 Chat 19:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was No consensus, default to Keep. WaltonOne 18:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of largest cities in England by population[edit]

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Article has been labelled with the totally disputed template for several days, due to the completely misleading and inaccurate title and contents. See talk, there has been general consensus for deletion or merging. DWaterson 23:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I support deletion. Redirect to "Largest urban areas". --Concrete Cowboy 23:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Your comments are misleading, city does not solely exist under the British definition. A city is not necessairly a settlement that has been granted city status by royal apporvement, by all means Walsall is a city per say. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 16:46, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They do in the United Kingdom! Nevertheless, your point is reasonable - hence why a move to Primary Urban Areas in England is in my opinion a sensible choice. It should be noted that PUAs are NOT the same thing as Urban Areas, but are agglomerations of local authorities. Therefore a use of the unqualified term "Urban Area" should be avoided - as they are defined entirely differently by built-up areas, and are not related to local authority boundaries in any way. Fingerpuppet 17:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
UA, PUA, same terms designated an arbitrary and non unitary area... I could come up with an 'area' type notion now, it doesn't make it any more manageable. Both terms and ideas are lose and it is precisely because those terms are used solely for analytical purposes see ONS quote above that they aren't appropriate for yet another meaningless list article. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 22:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What is "loose" about Urban Area definitions? An Urban Area is a "built-up area that has gaps in development of less than 50m". Seems pretty exact to me. Fingerpuppet 13:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - "A city is not necessarily a settlement that has been granted city status by royal [charter]" - well, actually consensus on Wikipedia has been, for a long time, that yes, that is exactly the only accurate usage. See City status in the United Kingdom (a Featured Article). DWaterson 19:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't remember saying that american cities were only designated as such thanks to a royal charter... I'd hat eto ink New York being called a town, maybe I've missed something but Wikipedia EN is not British but English in language. Anyway, this is all non consequential considering the lobbying that has been made and the member to who the petitioning was made to. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 22:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But this isn't a US topic, but a UK one. Therefore the UK definition is the correct one, just as UK English grammar and spelling is used in articles relating to and within the United Kingdom, rather than the US English versions. Fingerpuppet 13:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maintaining the lsit as such is elitism and is not a correct representation of the largest places with lots of people in cities in the UK, oh sorry the article is narrow enough to be about England only... Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 06:29, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Er, sorry? DWaterson 12:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment "Urban Areas" in the United Kingdom have a different meaning to this list, and are named differently. Urban Areas deal with built-up areas. Primary Urban Areas (which is what this list is) are agglomerations of local authorities. As an example, the Greater Manchester Urban Area is very different from the "Manchester" Primary Urban Area. There are also Primary Urban Areas called "Bolton" and "Rochdale" (based upon those local authorities), whereas the towns of Bolton and Rochdale are part of the GMUA - along with other towns such as Wilmslow which are not in any of the PUAs. Fingerpuppet 17:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete as copyright violation. -- lucasbfr talk 00:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rainbow Chorale of Delaware[edit]

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Delaware community chorus (albeit with a noble goal) that fails WP:MUSIC. No references or assertion of notability. Also is overly promotional in tone and borders on WP:SPAM. Eliz81(talk)(contribs) 23:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup 19:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

James_Slee[edit]

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not notable and most sources are a novelization FreedomByDesign 22:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

correction--it is not a novelization, but I am frankly not sure it's a sufficiently RS to stand alone, and this sort of material needs additional support. At least the court decisions can be cited from better sources. And the tone does need improvement, best done by omission of unencyclopedic detail. DGG (talk) 04:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete JoshuaZ 18:57, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perching[edit]

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Obviously non-notable "sport". WP:NFT. Unreferenced. Creator's name is similar to the editor that created the article so probably WP:COI as well. De-proded by author with no explanation. eaolson 22:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Redirect to Puerto Rican Spanish. Pascal.Tesson 00:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ay bendito[edit]

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Unreferenced--and possible original research--article on an expression unique to Puerto Rican Spanish. Seems inappropriate since this is the English Wikipedia after all. Wiktionary and/or the Spanish Wikipedia are probably more appropriate places for this article. --Miskwito 21:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just browsing the web I found an article in El Vocero's webpage with a title involving sayd phrase, [1], there is also this article [2]. As a side note Yahoo! search has 78,200 hits for it. - 23:43, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The content is available on request for any mergers not contrary to the consensus developed here. Sandstein 08:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Galactic Empire ranks[edit]

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File:GrandAd.png (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (added by closing admin)
File:LineCaptain.png (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (added by closing admin)
File:ImpHighAdmiral.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (added by closing admin)
File:HighAdm.png (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (added by closing admin)
File:HighColonel.png (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (added by closing admin)
File:HighAdm2.png (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (added by closing admin)

No assertions of notability, no sources (reliable or otherwise), contains original research, does not meet writing-about-fiction requirements. --EEMeltonIV 20:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - The only bit of notability asserted in Rank insignia of the Galactic Empire is that the rank system "has since become a major point of speculation, conjecture, and entertainment by Star Wars fans" -- but this is wholly without substantiation. Indeed, that article also contains original research with few real-world connections (the closest being claims of "production error" without supporting citation); it may also warrant deletion, or at least stubification for a complete re-write. --EEMeltonIV 20:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
With or without substantiation, notability is asserted. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 21:10, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- Surely you meant "Star Wars". Can you assert even how grand admiral has *real world* notability? Yes, it matters in the Star Wars universe, but what influence or importance has it had in a galaxy not as far away? --EEMeltonIV 03:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, Star Wars. Pardon me. With that point you made, then at least the Grand Admiral insignia picture and some of the data should be merged in with Thrawn. I found 228 thousand internet hits on him when I searched Yahoo. -OberRanks 14:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
comment: maybe transwiki to a galaxy far, far, away... --Jack Merridew 12:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- People are not required to be notified of AfDs; it is a courtesy. That said: [4]. --EEMeltonIV 03:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Besides, I already gave a delete comment above. The merges were a tempoary solution, because an AfD would not have passed 18 months ago. — Deckiller 23:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete (executed by AndonicO, claiming WP:CSD#A7.) --Aarktica 21:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flying Purple Hippo[edit]

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Game guide + non-notable clan Corpx 20:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep JoshuaZ 19:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jochum de Lange[edit]

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Doesn't seem to be very notable (47 Google hits). Neutralitytalk 20:40, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also I redid the header to conform to AfD norms, preserving the original nom. Eliz81(talk)(contribs) 23:45, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that english speaking individulals may have problems verifying the facts about Jochum de Lange. But he is a wellknown character amoung local historians. and it is not hard for anyone who understands Norwegian to verify this information, due to articles in books and on the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superveg (talkcontribs)

Regardless of the language they're in, can you provide us with some verifiable sources attesting to his notability? Eliz81(talk)(contribs) 18:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was DeleteCaknuck 01:56, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agua Dulce Elementary School[edit]

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Not apparently notable elementary school. --ROGER TALK 20:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Kurykh 23:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Edwards (Technology Writer)[edit]

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Technology writer with no clear notability. Notability tagged on 15th July with no response. There are no non-trivial inward links. Article comprises the sole contributions of Ekeiser (talk · contribs), with no substantive contributions by other editors, which suggests possible vanity. Given the common nature of the subject's name, Google hits are of little use here. Although the subject has contributed to several high-profile publications, such contributions do not seem to me to constitute automatic notability, and there's no evidence that any of his articles generated any significant response. The strongest claim to notability appears to be the books published, but of the four books mentioned, one is listed at Amazon under a completely different author name [5], which suggests ghostwriting not authorship, one has an Amazon sales rank of 729,639 [6] and the others have sales ranks well over a million [7][8]. No reviews or other information are cited, and I couldn't find any other than on specialist publications/websites in Google search. Espresso Addict 20:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The lost boys 2 the tribe[edit]

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There's ... nothing to really say about this movie. Essentially admits it's crystallish, stating that "not very much is known but we will soon find out." Blueboy96 19:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Concerns about notability and referencing have not been addressed. However, no prejudice against recreation if such sources are found. Pascal.Tesson 00:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Paul II Minor Seminary[edit]

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Non-notable school The Evil Spartan 19:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete as G7 (author requests deletion) Deletion made by User:B, non-admin closure by me. Ten Pound Hammer(Broken clamshellsOtter chirpsReview?) 19:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Timothy brain[edit]

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    Please delete - I spelt the name wrong Jack1956 18:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete JoshuaZ 19:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Kansagra[edit]

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    Story about a Hindu boy that reeks of WP:HOAX. I was considering requesting speedy delete per G10 attack page, but I'm not sure it clearly qualifies, despite some inherently hurtful language. Not verifiable or sourced story. Eliz81(talk)(contribs) 18:40, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was merge to Yochai Benkler. Pascal.Tesson 00:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Jalt[edit]

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    Neologism (WP:NEO) coined by professor. Fails notability requirements, as does not appear to be widely cited or accepted terminology. Prod was contested and removed: see Talk:Jalt for reasons why. Eliz81(talk)(contribs) 18:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    My mistake... the talk page includes reasons for keeping it, and the prod was removed by the 'prodder'. Eliz81(talk)(contribs) 19:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    (e/c)Comment Would you mind citing some references of its notability? Its inclusion certainly doesn't 'harm' anyone, but it still needs verifiable (WP:V) sources to establish the widespread acceptance and usage of term. If it is truly an established term and does not violate WP:NEO, I'm more than happy to reconsider my nomination. Eliz81(talk)(contribs) 19:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete. Pascal.Tesson 00:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Trickle Creek Golf Resort[edit]

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    stub that was improved. I can't prove it - if it is on the website, I didn't see it - but I swear this sounds like a brochure they send out to interested golfers or tour promoters. Postcard Cathy 18:31, 28 July 2007 (UTC) PS By that I mean copyright vio 18:31, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment. Yes, it was a pretty much a straight c&p from here[11] and hence a copyvio. I have edited back down to a stub. --Malcolmxl5 19:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    P.S. And added assertation of notability and references. --Malcolmxl5 19:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete. WaltonOne 18:52, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Mary Choksi[edit]

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    Biography of a businesswoman. There is a sufficient assertion of notability to make it un-speediable but I don't believe that the criteria in WP:N or WP:BIO are satisfied, unless there is some additional information that my internet search has missed. CIreland 18:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Delete & Userfy. The principal author of the page is Bradbooker, who created the page in their namespace. I have reverted their user page to the most recent version and left a note on their talk page. — Caknuck 02:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Brad Booker[edit]

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    Subject appears to be non-notable, even as stipulated in the article (host of a local morning radio show). Google does have 2000 hits, but it's not clear if it's the same Brad Booker. The Evil Spartan 18:18, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 23:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Kuat Drive Yards[edit]

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    Nine months after original AfD, KDY still does not have an appreciable out-of-universe write-up and still lacks citations. Role in The Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy is stubbish, and I'd be okay with a redirect to that collection if such an entry exists.

    I am also nominating the following related pages

    Santhe/Sienar Technologies (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
    Incom Corporation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
    Corellian Engineering Corporation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

    While all four these companies may have manufactured notable things -- X-wings, Star Destroyers, the Millennium Falcon, etc. -- the companies themselves do not meet notability muster. None of them meet the the writing about fiction guidelines. --EEMeltonIV 17:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • That's the point. They're only only notable in the fictional universe. Corpx 22:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, it's generally agreed that good information alone is not a good reason to delete. For example, the sex life of Lady Bird Johnson might be considered good information by some people, but it's not very notable (unless there was a huge sex scandal). For fiction, a subarticle is notable only if there is significant real-world information from primary and secondary sources. — Deckiller 01:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Query - it's generally agreed that good information alone is not a good reason to delete - did you mean, "not a good reason to keep"? --EEMeltonIV 16:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - As Deckiller pointed out, having good information is not a compelling reason to keep. Yes, there being lots of information, both in the articles and in the rest of the EU, about these companies -- but is there any material out there that indicates these fictional companies have had any influence on the *real* world? (And, as an aside, I think there might be a little emotional attachment here, considering your user name is "KuatofKDY" ;-) ) --EEMeltonIV 17:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete, by overwhelming consensus. Mention of some of these people could be made in a related article, preferably in non-list format. El_C 18:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    List of notable Jalpaigurians[edit]

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    Should be replaced with Category:People from Jalpaigur, which I've already started Corpx 17:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • I strongly disagree with you. Having red links in a list is not a way to get articles created. You can request them at the appropriate wikiproject or elsewhere, but I dont think this is the way to go about it. Corpx 21:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was KeepCaknuck 02:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Soulja Boy[edit]

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    Apparently non-notable rapper. Article attempts to assert notability by claiming his connexions with a notable record company, but it gives no independent sources. Nyttend 17:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    He deserves a page. Tavian Washington— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tavian151 (talkcontribs) — Tavian151 (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


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    The result was Delete and recreate a redirect. Pascal.Tesson 00:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Adele Roberts[edit]

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    The result was merge. —Kurykh 23:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Sequoia Middle School[edit]

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    Not obviously notable middle school. Mostly un-encyclopedic content. --ROGER TALK 16:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Delete. CitiCat 15:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Shahnama theory[edit]

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    This "theory" appears to have been made on Wikipedia. A Google search [17] supports the view that this was created on Wikipedia and was copied elsewhere. So, this should be deleted because it is complete OR... even if it miraculously isn't, then it an utterly non-notable "theory." The Behnam 16:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Redirect. The problem is that there currently is no satisfactory target since the district article does not yet exist. In the meantime, redirected to Hayward, California. I encourage anyone interested to start the article on the district and modify the redirect as well as merge any useful content. Pascal.Tesson 00:49, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Anthony W. Ochoa Middle School[edit]

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    Disputed ((prod)). Non-notable middle school. --ROGER TALK 16:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    STRONG KEEP You have to give an article more than 8 hours to be improved and for the stub tag to "work" esp. when it is a school and those that know the most about the subject are on vacation. I see give it a few months and revisit later this year.Postcard Cathy 18:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    PS Roger was so interested in deleting this that it only took him 1/2 hour to prod it. COME ON! Be a little less trigger happy and give an article time to grow. It isn't like this is an article about how many schools give out gold stars and how many schools give out silver stars to their students. This has potential and you have to give it more than 1/2 hour and 8 hours before you prod/afd. 18:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
    Comments (1) Prod gives five days to sort out the issues. That's not exactly holding a gun at someone's head and, despite the vacations, this was posted this morning. (2) Notability is about non-trivial/indepth coverage from independent third party sources not the word of a parent or teacher. Why should we wait months for material that is required by policy to be in the article from the start? (3) I have no axe to grind on this. I googled and nothing significant turned up. FYI, I also "rescued" a couple of articles from CSD this morning by adding sources and material to them. --ROGER TALK 18:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Hayward Unified School District and geographically in Alameda County. --ROGER TALK 06:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was DeleteCaknuck 02:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    List of films featuring museums[edit]

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    Didn't want to have to bring this to AfD but the PROD was removed. Fits exact criteria of what shouldn't be made into a list on wikipedia. Bulldog123 16:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Point of Information Only equalled by Category: Films about High Class Call Girls and Category:Films about Prostitution --ROGER TALK 19:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Kats (video game)[edit]

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    Promotion of unreleased game `'Míkka 16:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Redirect to James Coburn, content already on the James Coburn page. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer(((Broken clamshellsOtter chirps))) 16:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    James Coburn filmography[edit]

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    this filmography of this actor shouldn't be seperated from his biography Benjaminso 15:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was no consensus, defaulting to Keep. ELIMINATORJR TALK 14:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Big Poppa E[edit]

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    The result was Speedy Deleted as non-notable (A7). ELIMINATORJR TALK 16:31, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Pete Cooper (DJ)[edit]

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    Vanity page of a nonnotable person. Presenter at a student's radio station. `'Míkka 15:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Keep, although I would assume good faith that this is not a POINT violation. The many delete votes at the least suggest the standard is not crystal clear. Cool Hand Luke 08:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Battle of the Pelennor Fields[edit]

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    This does not follow Wikipedia WP:NOTE standards and is an extraordinarily too-detailed article on a fictional event which amounts to a detailed plot summary. This should not be merged, as it is already discussed on the main page of the War of the Ring, and its present summary on the War of the Ring page is suitable enough. Furthermore, this nomination for deletion is to bring universal enforcement in-line with the recent decision to delete the Second Battle of Hogwarts article for reasons of excessive plot summary, notability violations, and fan cruft. (Proponents' arguments in favor of deletion found here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Second battle of Hogwarts) These same arguments are applicable to Battle of the Pelennor Fields. The article for the Second Wizarding War was likewise deleted, and with it all traces of the First Battle of Hogwarts (otherwise known as the Battle of the Astronomy Tower) and is treated with a few sentences in the \Half Blood Prince page. Yet, this has been committed to film, has been the subject of countless articles and interviews and it was axed for the same reasons I now propose deleting Battle of the Pelennor Fields. The aforementioned articles were far less detailed than Battle of the Pelennor Fields. Evidently Wikipedia is not a fansite, be it Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, and this article violates this tenet. Auror 15:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • That's what I meant by real world implications. As far as I can see, there are no independent reliable real world sources giving "significant coverage" to this battle. (WP:N) Corpx 17:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Look at Google Scholar: the first page shows two different references in what appears to me to be a scholarly journal maintained by Johns Hopkins University. Also, this JSTOR article in the journal The South Central Bulletin. Page 2 gives a link to a reference in the British Medical Journal, an article Venerable or vulnerable: ageing and old age in JRR Tolkien’s The lord of the rings. I can't get access to those pages on this computer right now, but this quick search shows that there's plenty of independent, scholarly reference. Nyttend 17:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I looked through the available google scholar hits and they all dont seem to give "significant" coverage to this topic. I cant look at JSTOR at home, so I cant comment on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corpx (talkcontribs)
    The Battle of the Pelennor Fields covers about half of Book 5 (that includes the Ride of the Rohirrim, Denethor's pyre, etc). Again, just because the son of the author wrote History does not mean that it's not independent. Besides, Google Scholar is giving us papers concerning Middle-earth warfare, including this battle. I don't see papers about Harry Potter. Will (talk) 00:33, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    And yet the article links to no other articles substantiating notability other than one CNN article. The article, and something that has not yet been contested, is one giant extended plot summary written in such an esoteric manner that any layman reader wanting to know more about the battle (perhaps pushed by seeing the constant references to the battle all around him?) would have nary an idea what is going on. Clearly, the article's explanation in the War of the Ring entry would remedy the prodigious extended summary flaw of this article. Auror 00:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I mentioned two books. I only own the Atlas, so the other book needs more elaboration. Here's another: [23] Will add it later, or perhaps someone else will (at school now, heh). The "plottiness" of the article is acknowledged and can be remedied per Csernica and Carcharoth. Uthanc 03:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Speedy delete, author request. Pascal.Tesson 15:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    FS (logic)[edit]

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    The present reference doesn't seem to exist, if it's a book. It's not on Amazon.com nor in the Library of Congress database. (Previous references have been shown to be incorrect.) Importance not specified (and ((importance)) tag removed without serious comment). Even if the reference did exist, was a WP:RS, and the importance was specified, it could be merged into a section of formal grammar or formal language. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 14:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


    "you leave me no choice" --A.R. edit summary
    ""I don't know much about philosophical logic" (A.R. talk page.)

    Like I said, I don't play games on Wikipedia. FS is a legitimate formal language.

    The existence of language FS informs us about the nature of concepts such as "theorem," "lemma," "proof," scores of others .... and everything in mathematics.

    ...which explains the hard on this guy has. There is a big entrenchment going on with the mathematical logic people in response to the creation of WikiProject Logic and its "philosophical" logic of which they have no care (or by their own admission, any notion).

    This guy is either a genuine asshole or he is aloof and unaware that he is being an asshole (in which case I sympathize and feel somewhat forgiving). Be well all.


    Gregbard 14:44, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • Questions. Can you or will you answer any of these few questions?:
    • If the book exists, why is Google not able to find it?
    Not every book is in Google.
    • Where can the book be found, precisely?
    Since it was a textbook, I got it at the Associated Students bookstore at CSUC .
    • If the topic exists and is in any way notable, why is Google not able to find any pages discussing it?
    First of all abuse of the notability criterion is destroying the intellectual integrity of the Wikipedia. There are clearly reasonable cases and clearly unreasonable cases. I think the last paragraph alone justifies this concept.
    • At which university is this theory or system under discussion?
    Same as above, I can't really speak for the rest of the world, but some people feel they can?!
    • What are the names of the professors or researchers who are discussing it?
    Dr. Richard Parker. Author of a bestselling logic text. However, I guess that's not good enough?
    Thanks. --Parzival418 Hello 23:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Be well, thanks for the interest.Gregbard 02:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Dr. Richard Parker. Author of a bestselling logic text. However, I guess that's not good enough? -- well, if he actually is the author of a bestselling logic text, that would certainly be helpful in establishing WP:Notability and WP:V. But when I enter a Google search term of that name, "Dr. Richard Parker" I see several professors and medical doctors, but none are in logic or math or philosophy related subjects. When I enter the word "logic" along with his name, Google shows only one page of results, none of them even close to this topic. While Google may not have every book, it seems highly unlikely that if he is the author of a bestselling text, his name would not appear somewhere on some web page along with the name of his book, or with the word "logic", the subject area of his book. Considering that others have not been able to find the book or the author in the Library of Congress or other universities, it's hard to consider this reference as reliable. That's not " abuse of the notability criterion " - it's pretty much just common sense. How can we trust a reference that seems to be unknown to the world at large? No offense intended, I'm just addressing the point about the reference. --Parzival418 Hello 03:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    The "best-selling book" Greg is referring to is "Critical Thinking" by Brooke Noel Moore and Richard Parker. (At least two of the Amazon.com reviews state it isn't a logic book, but there is room for debate.) It appears to have been published in at least 9 distinct editions, so it probably qualifies as a best-seller by textbook standards. Of course, my late mother's text is a Canadian best-seller by logic standards, selling over 500 copies.... — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 03:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for clarifying that. Now I see it. For reference, here are a couple ISBN numbers from Google books: ISBN 007312625X, ISBN 0874847664, ISBN 0072818816. But this book is clearly described in several places as a philosophy text, not a logic text. Does this book directly support the content of the article, or is it's value as a reference mainly to establish that the author is a notable writer? --Parzival418 Hello 04:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Well no, not really.
    has reference. not or.Gregbard 02:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for your conciliatory tone. I would be humbled and honored if the group would look at the value and place for FS in Wikipedia beyond its obnoxious contributor. Please allow either FS or some other "notable" formal system that demonstrates the same properties to be integrated into the appropriate place. Be well, Gregbard 03:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    You have claimed that this formal system demonstrates some distinction in the meanings of the terms proof and derivation, but that distinction seems unsupported in practice in mathematical logic and unsupported in the logic texts I have seen. If there are a large group of people who do maintain the distinction, surely one of them has described it in a paper or textbook. It is true that this is an example of a formal system that does not model any mathematical phenomenon, but beyond that it does not appear to have a great deal of significance. — Carl (CBM · talk) 11:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Cheap shot. Irrelevant. You don't really know anything about the intellectual integrity of the school at all do you? Gregbard 10:37, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Gregbard, I don't know why you have such a powerful emotional stake in this article, but you really need to let it go. As Arthur said , it's not a cheap shot at all. When I was in school I used at least one textbook that the professor had published himself: it was perfectly suitable for the course. That doesn't mean I write an article about one of the examples in it, no matter how useful that example may have been for conveying the ideas being taught, unless that example became widely known and imitated.
    As for the "intellectual integrity of the school", the fact that CSUC isn't known as a center of philosophical thought is certainly relevant, and not at all cheap. I'm sure a dedicated student can receive as good an education there as anywhere else in the CSU system, but its reputation is well-known. [*ttp://www.snopes.com/college/admin/playboy.asp] My parish's rector is actually an alumnus (he of course did not receive his theological education there, only his undergraduate degree) and I merely echo his sentiment. TCC (talk) (contribs) 16:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Um, I wouldn't look to a parish rector for an objective look at a "party school." I certainly wouldn't echo anything he said either. My goodness. Think for yourself. This is all just propaganda and your rector just buys into it. Chico State has a wonderful program in philosophy. It is the only CSU of the 23 that has a program in teaching logic and critical thinking. We party hard here, but we work hard too. That is the nature of a dynamic intellectual environment. You ought to try it. Gregbard 14:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Why is implying, or even stating, that a professor's textbook for his course is self-published, impune the integrity of the school. (The included clause is a cheap shot, but doesn't significantly affect the rest of the comment.) To phrase it in a way which doesn't insult anyone, Richard Feynmann's self-published course notes would also not be usable in an article unless others in the field referred to them, even if nicely bound, and he wrote QED Press as the publisher. (Although they probably would have been published on DVD by now by CalTech, but he's been dead a number of years.) — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 15:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was DeleteCaknuck 02:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Back in the Mudd[edit]

    Notability concerns, has no mainspace articles linking to it. The sunder king 14:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Temporary keep per OTRS Ticket # 2007072910013442 MessedRocker (talk) 08:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Paul Mowatt[edit]

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    Apparently a photographer, but there's no assertion of notability. (Well, he was married and had kids, but this is of course true for billions of people and anyway WP isn't a genealogical database.) Googling brings up Wikipedia, Wikipedia scrapes, genealogical stuff, and merely the most minor of references. Prodded on 19 July; prod removed (with an indignant edit summary) three days later. -- Hoary 14:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Kindly do not tell me what to say or not to say. I merely demonstrate why the subject is not at all notable. I can assure you nothing is my "imaginations". Giano 12:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Um, but Giano, there's nothing in the article about anyone seeing straight through or disapproving of anyone else, and anyway it's pretty routine for mums-in-law to see straight through their kids-in-law. (I daresay I'm transparent to my own mum-in-law. No big deal.) ¶ Frankly I don't care who he married, or what caused a divorce: If he's notable as a photographer I'm all for his inclusion, and I await evidence from Caroline of DC (and of bt.com) for his photographic notability. -- Hoary 12:55, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    All the article tells me about is his marriage - so I comment on it. Nothing else does it tell me, besides he is photographer - I take pictures of my kids and my wife in her new dress does that make me fashion and portrait photographer? No - it does not. The page is nothingness - delete it. Giano 13:05, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm sorry, Giano, but you raise a serious problem: I can no longer count the indentation colons. That aside, we do have evidence that he takes photos professionally; and while you may as well for all I know, most of us don't. But of course being a pro photographer in itself doesn't suffice. Well, let's see if this will prompt any revelations. As for his marriage, again, I know nothing of this and don't want to discuss it; but it can hardly have been worse than Armstrong-Jones's first marriage, which doesn't detract from A-J's (not stunning, but significant) achievements as a photographer. Really, I'd like to forget all about PM's wife and kids and be told what he has achieved. -- Hoary 13:15, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Redirect to FETCH! with Ruff Ruffman. I'm going to overrule consensus on this one, as this seems like a more common sense outcome. This is a conceivable search term, and the character is mentioned in the parent article. — Caknuck 02:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Blossom von Yum Yum[edit]

    Notability concerns, no mainspace articles link to this one. The sunder king 14:20, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Avada KedavraCaknuck 02:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    That's Delete to you Mugglepedians. Caknuck 02:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Harry potter relationships[edit]

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    Beginnings of an unmaintainable list ... let's kill this before it gets out of control. Blueboy96 14:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Believe me, I wanted to slap a speedy tag on it ... but I couldn't find a valid CSD to use. Only reason I didn't prod it was because I figured that if I brought it here, we'd see snow in July. Blueboy96 14:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Only took 6 minutes to get nominated for AfD, too! - Cyborg Ninja 14:45, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    :::I've tagged it for speedy because the list is incomplete and there is virtually little context.--JForget 00:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I would've tagged this with Nonsense... --Lie!
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    The result was Keep but redirect to practically identical article KARA. The capitalised version appears to be the standard name for the group.ELIMINATORJR TALK 13:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Kara (group)[edit]

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    Non notable music group from Korea. I can't confirm notability via google. I don't think the article is salvagable. Wikidudeman (talk) 13:44, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    A Collection of Michael Jackson's Oldies[edit]

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    Possible hoax page. Google search for verbatim text of album title returned barely 100 hits. Of those, most seemed to be references related to wikipedia or other wikis with no verifiable sources. No external links or sources cited in article. Doesn't appear to be an actual album. Entoaggie09 13:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    In the process of doing that, although the author has had no contributions since April of this year. And yeah, it could exist, but I haven't found any evidnce that it does. --Entoaggie09 13:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Wow. I totally didn't notice the Beatles album cover. --Entoaggie09 14:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was DeleteCaknuck 02:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Diocesan School For Girls[edit]

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    Does not assert it's notability and is very POV. Wikidudeman (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Orange entertainment[edit]

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    Google search for Columbia AND language with the phrase 'Orange entertainement' produces 9 results, most of which are irrelevant, one is a CV. There is no evidence I can find of independent sources to suggest that this is in any way a notable 'academy'. Emeraude 12:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    List of 'Golden Balls' values[edit]

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    A lot of this is original research. We are told there is 'statistical evidence' but there is no link to anywhere to suggest that there is statistical evidence. I have tried to find sources online but failed for some research on this that I could verify it with, alas there is none. Also the paragraph on trying to deduce which balls exist based on patterns could also be original reserach.

    I have taken the information presented (balls that already appear) and merged it to the main article. As such, there is no real information to keep/improve to make this article any better. Hydrostatics 11:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment I understand your view will be bias towards keeping it and that you will obviously defend against deletion arguements, but surely even if you did input the maxiumum amount of information which would be relavant (however sad that may be), it still would not warrant its own article. The size of the article, at most, would easily suffice as a reasonably sized section within the main article. Bungle44 10:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep. Claims of notability uncontested since addition of new sources. El_C 18:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Creation Science Association[edit]

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    Previously nominated for speedy deletion as spam/due to insufficient notability. Listed for cleanup since December 2005. Procedural nomination - no vote. - Mike Rosoft 11:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    *Delete Not notable, no references. - Cyborg Ninja 14:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Breakin' Dishes[edit]

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    Another article which has no source verifying that this will be a future single. I couldn't find any reliable source in the internet that confirms it. No other useful content in the article currently, so I think this should be deleted. RaNdOm26 10:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Oh, I see it. I think I should vote on that one too! RaNdOm26 12:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete

    List of long-distance mileage signs in the United States[edit]

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    Interesting, yes, but essentially trivia. Besides, it's arbitrary: Who decides what should be included on the list and what not?—Scott5114 09:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The Clairvoyants[edit]

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    per WP:BAND, Iron Maiden tribute band, "one of the best" in northern Italy (but not the best?) 650l2520 08:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was DeleteCaknuck 02:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The Chocolate Trinity[edit]

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    Term used during a lecture to describe 3 chocolate manufacturers. 650l2520 08:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. Appears to be a hoax. El_C 19:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The Battle of Tauntly Flats[edit]

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    No sources, zero Ghits. Is that little known, a hoax, a mis-spelling? 650l2520 07:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Delete. FT2 (Talk | email) 10:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    This is a much-debated AFD about 3 related articles. In summary:

    • Proposed grounds to keep are: encyclopedic summary of series info, list of well referenced verifiable episodes (user:DGG, user:DHowell); real world value, crossref to prior and other AFD, extent of work put in by editors, validty of lists (user:Paxomen).
    • Proposed grounds to delete (including merge, transwiki etc) are: original synthesis (nom), WP:NOT a place for fan projects of this kind (nom), reference to other AFDs (nom), lack of "real world" sources (user:Jay32183), plot summary (user:Corpx), only summaries related to "real world" matters such as publisher or medium are appropriate (user:A_Man_In_Black, the nominator), duplicates footnote navigation info anyway (user:Jeff-El), WP:OR since this is essentially not according to a reliable sources but based on fans working, advancing a position, self-ref since sourced to authors own analysis, misuse of sources, and breach of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) (AMIB again).
    • Rebuttals of OR include that all dates in the "buffyverse " are sourced, often from the actual publications themselves (user:Paxomen), and

    As a matter of policy, AFD decisions are not decided for either side, by reference to other article decisions, or past AFDs (WP:DP). Nor is "a lot of work" a valid argument (WP:EFFORT), or that it's useful (WP:USEFUL) - both of these are forms of arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. (However, note, the suggestion implied that fiction articles cannot include other than "real-world" organization is not correct per policy either.) The crux of the delete case is a concern that the article is a synthesis of editor's views or advancing such a synthesis, not based upon reference to reliable sources, and breaches fiction article guidelines. The crux of the keep debate is that a list of episodes in an in-universe timeline is encyclopedic and notable, and useful to fans and non-fans alike in the context of the series, and that the cites are verifiable.

    I concur with DGG and DHowell that such a timeline could be encyclopedic or useful. It is a well defined, well presented list, doubtless useful, and many lists are to be found in Wikipedia. However AFD is decided based upon policy related points arising, and there are strong policy related points raised by the nominator and others opining "delete" that are not rebutted by evidence to the contrary in this debate. The main problem seems to be with WP:OR - although information on individual records is sourced and verifiable, the chronology as a whole is not. The clearest example of this is, that some items are sourced from book intros, but others just assume that broadcast date is buffyverse date, or use such measures of time and date as the editors see fit to apply. this is the classic definition of WP:OR, although I have no question it is in good faith, it's still a synthesis. To not be OR, the actual list and chronology would need a reliable source, and this doesn't seem to be the case. (But:- It's also questionable whether a reliably sourced "this is what fans think" would be enough, unless there was a published, agreed chronology, in which case Wikipedia is not a republisher of fan-info and that list would be better reflected by an in-article link anyhow).

    (I haven't addressed WP:WAF above, since the matter seems to turn on WP:OR and WP:RS. Separate problems with WP:WAF are that 1/ in-universe views are useful, but are only one viewpoint, and on their own are discouraged, and 2/ plot synopses as a historical account are specifically mentioned -- although appropriate encyclopedic use of an in-universe view is not always forbidden. But ultimately, WP:WAF is a style guideline. WP:OR is policy and WP:RS relates to verifiability which is also policy.)

    It's clear much good faith and hard work has gone into this. But unless someone on review can demonstrate 1/ reliable sources (and by that I think I mean, independent reliable sources, not just the views of a number of fans), 2/ related to the chronology as a whole, 3/ which are notable and 4/ capable of more than just re-hashing, and which are 5/ appropriate to mirror as an encyclopedia article, then I think the delete views are well endorsed by policy, and this article unfortunately fails to meet requirements. I have userified the text prior to deletion, in case it can be useful that way. Details posted at User_talk:Paxomen.

    FT2 (Talk | email) 10:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Buffyverse chronology[edit]

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    Also included are:

    This is an original synthesis of the stories of the various Buffy and Buffy-related stories into a form organized in an irrevocably in-universe way.

    It's largely unsourced, in both the verification sense (there's little sense where any of the claims made here are coming from, and many of them appear to be completely unsourceable except for fan forums) and the notability sense (none of the cited sources are at all concerned with a timeline). Instead, it seems to be the original synthesis of fans, teasing clues or cues out of many disparate sources, primarily personal observation of the subject. Nowhere can this problem be better seen than in Image:Buffyverse Chronology.jpg, the lead image for this page, which is apparently spliced together by fans from various, unspecified images.

    In the previous AFD (which arrived at no consensus), it was argued that this is a useful navigation tool. It might be on a Buffyverse fan project, but Wikipedia handles fictional subjects by primarily regarding their role in the real world, while this timeline is structured in an in-universe way. It's also a terrible navigation tool for the way the articles are actually organized; some entries link to nothing, while there are dozens of links to some articles (like Tales of the Slayer).

    Generally, such timelines have done poorly on AFD in the past, such as here, here, here, here, here, and here. (This isn't even counting the timelines that were just made up on the spot by their author(s).) A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:50, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    It is not based on vague plot interpretations or fan sites. See the Notes and references section. -- Paxomen 01:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    In my view it is not a plot summary. It is a list which includes brief plot summaries. I agree that the article must be improved by demonstrating real world context more effectively. -- Paxomen 01:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Transwiki is not a good resolution for AfD. Generally it is best to avoid using other wikis as links on Wikipedia articles since other Wikis may not have the same rules on verfiability, neutrality.. Also we should improve articles rather than get rid of them by shifting them elsewhere. -- Paxomen 01:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Real world context - This is a subjective matter and many would disagree with this opinion - but IMHO there is a very obvious real-world context: These stories are available in the real world, they sit in shops, on people's book shelves.. people who follow them may appreciate having somewhere to find out what order to do so. Deleting this page will only make Wikipedia less useful to many people. However I agree that the page could benefit from more real-world context.
    • The previous debate - Whilst the result of the previous debate was ruled as "No consensus" by Quarl at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buffyverse chronology. In actual fact if I count right there is 17 keeps (including several "Strong keeps"), and only 8 delete votes, and some people didn't vote instead just commenting, but most comments are supportive of keeping. I know that AfD is not supposed to be simply a vote-count (though in my experience a vote count has often determined the fate of the page) but even reading across the previous debate, it seems that there well reasoned arguments made as to be why the page should be kept as opposed to being deleted, and by wikipedians who had actually given some time to looking at gaining an understanding of the article. The main argument for deletion in the previous debate was that the article was not sourced and could therefore be original research. Since then notes and references have been introduced, to show that it is not based on original research but primarily on secondary sources.
    • It's a list - This is essentially a list, and perhaps needs to be renamed something like "List of Buffy/Angel stories". It does aid navigation (by complimenting other navigation options), and there is basis for keeping and improving it rather than deleting. If this page is removed it will only make it far more difficult to navigate articles relating to Buffy and Angel.
    • It's so much work - Are people really comfortable deleting so much hard work without a strong basis - the article is verified, it is not based on original research (see the Notes and references section), and it is written from a neutral Point of View. It also represents the work of many many wikipedians over the period of a whole year. I suspect that many people who are voting to delete the list are biased against it because they are not interested in the subject matter (though they likely would not admit that in this forum).
    • An image is not a reason for deletion??? - If there is an argument for the removal/deletion of the image, the image can be simply removed (in fact I just took if off the page), this is not a reason for deleting an article.
    • Other AfD results for other articles are not relevent. I noticed the nomination says "Generally, such timelines have done poorly on AFD in the past." That is not relevent. This page needs to be properly looked at on its own terms, and yes that means voters should at least have a look at the article and justify their vote.
    • My proposal for a compromise instead of deletion - If neccessary I could reluctantly accept removal of Buffyverse chronology (canon only), we could then wittle down the list to a single page, rename it the more appropriate title of "List of Buffy/Angel stories." We could then over time more effectively demonstrate real world context (e.g. a good start would be a more effective introduction, and real-world release dates for each episode/novel/comic). I have already removed the image which A Man In Bl♟ck has pointed out may not be appropriate. - Paxomen 01:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    The fact that the works these stories appear in exist in the real world isn't real-world content; this only talks about the events in the stories, not once making mention of conception, fan reception, critical reception, or any sort of other real-world content. WP:WAF has more on this.
    The number of votes from last time doesn't really enter into it. This is still all plot summary, and still original research, and still in-universe. I made a point of specifically answering the arguments advanced for keep in the last AFD, except for the "I like it" or "Buffy fans need this" arguments.
    I acknowledge that it was a lot of work to make this timeline. I'm sure it would fit very nicely onto a Buffy fan wiki. However, here, it does not respect Wikipedia's standards for handling fictional material, and by its nature cannot be cleaned up to meet these standards. It is original research, though; look at how many of those notes and references are blog or forum posts, fansites, or just the works themselves.
    The image is a microcosm of this article's problems. It's a combination of vaguely sourced material, in a way atypical for Wikipedia, into a whole better suited for a fansite than an encyclopedia.
    An appropriate list of Buffy/Angel stories would be arranged in a real-world way (like, say, by publisher or medium or by real world chronology), would ditch nearly all of the in-universe material, and, most critically, benefits in no way from this list with dozens of redundant links, go-nowhere non-linked entries, and gobs of speculation.
    There's no reason this couldn't be transwikied, or userfied to use the tiny kernal of real-world info (such-and-such story exists), but this in-universe arrangment of plot summary and original synthesis needs to go. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    The people including myself who worked on the article worked on it so that it could be on Wikipedia and useful to people interested in the topic, not so that it could be seen by one fan every month on a Buffy wiki. Is no one willing to give a chance to improving the page, adding more real world context is perfectly possible. -- Paxomen 23:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    It doesn't matter that people did a lot of work, being useful and interesting isn't enough, and it isn't enough to say work can be done or sources are out there. When you make a Wikipedia article, get the sources first and make sure it complies with WP:N, WP:V, WP:OR, and WP:NOT. Otherwise, you have no right to complain about a page getting deleted. Jay32183 23:49, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, they have every right to complain about it being deleted after all the work they put into it, but I'd be happy to preserve this work by moving this to a project where it does meet the local standards. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:01, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
    Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Krimpet 07:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Scope too narrow. El_C 19:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Shippensburg Roller Hockey awards[edit]

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    List of awards dispersed internally amongst one collegiate team. 650l2520 07:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. ( ̄□ ̄;) Can't sleep, clown will eat me 10:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Mr. Lee (cat)[edit]

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    According to Ryulong and Kirkend this is not notable. I have put up a lot of sources. All the sources I found are here too: http://www.mr-lee-catcam.de/pe_cc_s.htm for a guide I think. There are over ten global ones. Please let me know. Thanks... Fromage911 07:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Its on DRV now too for the AFD that Ryu deleted as useless. thanks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Mr._Lee_.28cat.29 Fromage911 07:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Michael "Buck" Buckley[edit]

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    No assertion of notability, text of article is stolen from http://www.youtube.com/user/WHATTHEBUCKSHOW, possible self-promotion, warning templates deleted without justification. Ichormosquito 06:44, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I also nominate the following, another article listed at YouTube celebrities, for similar reasons. In this case, the text is not copyrighted:
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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Chechclear[edit]

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    Without any reliable sources, this is original research. The talk page seemed to address concerns about this article, which is why it is here. The article itself is speculative, unsourced and therefore does not fit criteria for inclusion. the_undertow talk 06:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Enlisy[edit]

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    Notability to come. Chealer 05:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was No consensus. ELIMINATORJR TALK 13:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Steal This Film[edit]

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    I'm suspicious about the notability of the "film series" in question. For example, it is completely nonexistent on the Internet Movie Database (not to be confused with the notable Steal This Movie), and it just seems like something that somebody has thrown together and started distributing over the internet. I ran a Google Search to receive 48000 hits, but a very large proportion of the websites are merely torrents sites from which this "movie" can be downloaded, and I personally wouldn't call the sources reliable. Even the purported official website of the film seems completely unreliable. Hopefully this discussion will reach a good consensus. Ackatsis 04:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment. The Pirates Bay article is a blog. Blogs have no peer-review, and anyone can write one...about anything. Therefore they can't act as reliable sources, or help prove notability. What we need here are multiple, reliable, indepenent sources discussing this movie to prove that it's notable. Merely covering "important" topics doesn't make it notable. Someguy1221 09:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • 'Comment I heard this arguement on another article: "If it isn't in the NYTimes or other big media, then it isn't reliable." I just don't buy the arguement that coverage in many smaller outlets, even "unreliable blogs" is meaningless or doesn't make it notable. If that truly the case, half the music articles on Wikipedia would be deleted and we would only have articles on Madonna and Britney Spears, and half the indy films wouldn't "be notable". As for links, Slashdot and everyone else has written about it, to the tune of over 45,000 hits, and each is a combination of reviews by thousands of real people, AND you can watch it on Google anytime to 'verify' that it exists. This isn't mainstream, but obviously SOMEONE has noticed it. Pharmboy 00:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. The issue is the complete lack of notability. The bittorrent part just reinforced that notability is unlikely to be satisfied, as web released movies are not going to get much attention, if any, from reliable sources. Smashing Pumpkins albums, on the other hand, are very likely to have such sources given that they were created by an extremely notable band, regardless of their medium of publication. Someguy1221 00:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Keep. - Smerdis of Tlön 13:39, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Sonic's Rendezvous Band[edit]

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    WP:N; WP:RS. From the article itself: "They remained virtually unknown, but their one and only single retained high interest among fans of high energy rock and roll/ Detroit rock. A badly recorded bootleg LP called Strikes Like Lightning was traded in the 1980s." Has been a stub since mid-2005 without a single reliable source being added. THF 04:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment Please WP:AGF. I did read the article, and don't think that a small press released a small run of reprints to completists creates notability. And see Fred Sonic Smith. This band didn't make the Rolling Stone list, Smith's other band did. This band isn't the notable one. And it surely can't be the case that a member of a notable band's other projects automatically get notability, because that way lies every high-school band on Wikipedia through attenuated bootstrapping. THF 05:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:MUSIC#C6 disagrees with "contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable". Although a case could be made for merging the info to the notable band a member of this band went on to join, that can't really be done because more than one member (in fact, most) of this band were in other notable bands. Furthermore, the Rolling Stone was a list of "Great Guitarists", not "Guitarists in really popular bands", so it was the person listed on article, not the band he was with at the time. Upon further review, yes, my argument for "If he was mentioned in Rolling Stone, other sources probably exist" is likely very weak -- but I still stand by it. Furthermore, regardless of the Rolling Stone article, WP:MUSIC#C6 is on the side of this article. Spazure 05:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know how WP:MUSIC got so watered down that it now contradicts WP:N, but apparently it has. It didn't used to read "any one of the following criteria"; those criteria were guidelines for whether a subject was likely to have independent reliable sources that would allow it to meet WP:N. But apparently inclusionists have gotten hold of it; I won't reargue that here if the rules have changed and people think it more important to follow WP:MUSIC rather than WP:N and WP:RS. It's still a mystery to me why Wikipedia has much softer standards for musicians than for writers. Authors who have sold a million books are absent from Wikipedia, but resources are devoted to bands that haven't sold ten thousand albums. THF 05:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    This is the only edit from this user.--Danaman5 19:10, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Very wise. This band notably backed Iggy Pop on his TV Eye tour in 1978 internationally. Wwwhatsup 06:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Famous Kathakali actors[edit]

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    Subjective inclusion criterion of "famous", I'm not even sure the redlinked names are notable, let alone famous. More than 90% redlinks for a list nearly a year old isn't a good sign, redlinks aren't a problem in themselves, but it shows there isn't much hope of these becoming articles anytime soon. Saikokira 04:04, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment. It's not the name itself, but the absent criteria, and the complete lack of verification. Someguy1221 09:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete JoshuaZ 19:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Ritchie Stern[edit]

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    Author has been asked numerous times to show a source for this idea on the Ramones page, to which he has not came up with anything. This article is based on entirely untrue information.} Hoponpop69 03:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete, for all the reasons stated. El_C 19:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Thin (body)[edit]

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    Nominated for deletion on the basis of WP:NOT (not a dictionary) and WP:RS (needs verification). Underweight and body image articles already exist. May consider merging with body image? Cyborg Ninja 03:42, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. El_C 18:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    2000s in culture[edit]

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    Original research has been used here to decide what is significant enough to be included, and it seems to have been compiled by a single editor. I don't mind the article, it's just a selective list of major news stories from the last few years, but I don't think this kind of news review belongs on Wikipedia. Transwiki it somewhere more appropriate might be an alternative, if people don't want to delete it. Saikokira 03:38, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Drive a stake through the heart, stuff the mouth with garlic, cut off the head, burn the body and sprinkle the coffin with holy water. JoshuaZ 19:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Plasma (movie)[edit]

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    No references to this movie on IMDb, and a search on Yahoo and Google turned up no hits. This movie likely never even existed. Blueboy96 03:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Why don't you look at the producer's website (www.shockhorrorprobe.co.uk) or check sites IN THE UK. That is where it originated. It is notable because Robert Brock is popular in the genre and has directed several films.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by DCTheatreLover (talkcontribs) 04:05, 28 July 2007. (the author of the article)

    • Note to closing Admin - if for some reason this survives, would you be so kind as to leave a note on my talk page (for cleanup purposes). Thanks! SkierRMH 03:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete with no prejudice to re-creation in the future should he become notable. ELIMINATORJR TALK 13:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Anthony Atkinson (basketball player)[edit]

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    The team is minimally notable; one player is not. Does not meet Wikipedia criteria for notability of athletes. Ward3001 03:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Merge and redirect to David Icke. WaltonOne 18:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Gareth Icke[edit]

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    Most notable thing about Gareth Icke is that he's the son of David Icke. As a musician he fails WP:MUSIC, and as a sportsman he fails WP:N as he has only played at an amateur level. Saikokira 03:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Richie and the Creeps[edit]

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    Weak relation to to a notable band seems to be the only thing this article has going. Otherwise it seems to fail WP:BAND. Neutral — Preceding unsigned comment added by WarthogDemon (talkcontribs)

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    The result was Delete. ELIMINATORJR TALK 13:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    List of Tony Reali's nicknames[edit]

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    a giant trivia/fancruft list of alleged nicknames given for a tv personality. Totally indiscriminate Biggspowd 02:10, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 10:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Al Maktoum Floating Bridge[edit]

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    While locally important, it is not a noteworthy bridge, and not every bridge needs an article. Pharmboy 02:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    It is a TEMPORARY crossing, it isn't even a permanant structure, I might add. It's on pontoons. Also, almost every bridge gets some media, and I am not sure we need articles on every bridge in the world, do we? Pharmboy 02:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I know, but how can we be sure when will it be replaced? There is no telling how many years it will take for an official bridge to be built. And of course, the fact that it is on pontoons make it more unique.--Kylohk 02:42, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Unique doesn't meet the criteria for notability, which is the issue. And there are lots of pontoon bridges. ILIKE isn't the criteria either. There are lots of unique, cool, groovy and neat things in the world that are not encyclopedia material. This is one. I'm sure its a nice bridge and all, but it has no history or significance that makes it NOTWORTHY to anyone outside the city. Perhaps it would be better merged into the city article. Pharmboy 02:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Uniqueness isn't the only reason I have stated. The fact that it's: Part of a major trunk road (1 of 5 river crossings), an important infrastructure in Dubai, a major capital, mentioned by a reliable source (Search "Al Maktoum Floating Bridge" -wikipedia, look for a Gulf News article), has a unique construction method, probably worthy of discussion in civil engineering circles (pontoon construction), makes it notable for inclusion.--Kylohk 05:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 10:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Kasumi Nakane[edit]

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    Unreferenced article on a living person; I suspect it's an ad since the only link is her talent agency. Someone de-prodded without comment and added ((Japanese Erotic Cinema)), but she doesn't actually appear on that template. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:04, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Delete. I reckon the numerical vote to be only 12-to-7 for deletion, but arguments for deletion seem more consistent with policy in this case. In addition to NOT and TRIVIA, the article's poor focus condemns it to an irredeemable hodgepodge of original synthesis. Secondary sources about yeti in popular culture could probably correct this problem, but nothing suggests that such sources even exist—a fatal problem that puts the article on the far side of both WP:V and WP:N. Cool Hand Luke 09:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Yeti in popular culture[edit]

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    Just a collection of loosely associated topics, fails WP:NOT#DIR Jay32183 01:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    In that case, feel free to edit the article to add references to the reliable sources that assert the notability of appearances of yetis in popular culture, so we can all agree. spazure (contribs) 09:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:ILIKEIT .. is there a precident and/or policy that agrees with this idea? Keeping the trivia without cluttering the mainspace with it seems a way to keep both viewpoints on the "in popular culture" lists happy. spazure(contribs) 06:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:BASH .. but there is in fact a guideline that supports exactly what I have proposed. On Wikipedia:Subpages, it is written that temporary subpages in the Talk namespace are a permitted use of subpages, and I think they are a good idea for cleaning up these sections without forking them or troubling AfD over them. Note also that we have Template:Workpage for just this purpose as well. - Smerdis of Tlön 16:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the info! spazure (contribs) 09:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    it's a rather detailed description about portrayals of a creature that nearly everyone believes to be fictional, and handles the subject well. If need be, merge into Yeti rather than delete. Author encouraged to save work, just in case. Mandsford 14:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:BHTT isn't a valid delete rationale. spazure (contribs) 06:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, I'm suggesting a kind of converse of BHTT in this case. I think there ought to be some grouping of these fictional Yetis. But because there are so many, it would just be a silly tangent to plop my particular favorites in the main Yeti article. ( The usual BHTT argument would be "we don't really want this list, but its easier to move it into its own article than rewrite into encyclopedic prose" ). Squidfryerchef 06:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Alright, I see your point, and perhaps I was a bit too hasty to respond with BHTT. Nonetheless, I fail to see a policy-based rationale for keeping. Although my opinion may not be relevant on the larger scale, my delete reasoning isn't set in stone, so I'm open to other peoples' opinions. spazure (contribs) 06:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    The back story is, a while back I had flashed on that Yeti from the public service ads, and I'd planned to list it under "Yeti in popular culture". So, if this article gets deleted, there really isn't any place to put two sentences and a link about something, until I get enough material to write an article on the Ritts Puppets. I'm more into an "Is this article good for Wikipedia" argument than trying to find a rule for it. Squidfryerchef 07:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for clarifying. I'll politely oppose your opinion on this article, but I understand your rationale. WP:IGNORE exists for a reason, after all. spazure (contribs) 07:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete. ELIMINATORJR TALK 13:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Zwipes[edit]

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    Not really my area of expertise, but I can see no notability in these products as opposed to any other campany's products. Google search brings up many results, but these are for the company website and lists of stockists in the main. Emeraude 01:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Delete. ELIMINATORJR TALK 13:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Aw2 Networks[edit]

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    Can't see any assertion of notability other than (to paraphrase) "the company exists and has services". Besides which, this article isn't even close to encyclopedic. Oli Filth 00:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Keep. CitiCat 17:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time (TV Guide)[edit]

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    NN. A feature that appeared in an issue of TV Guide once. So someone created a Wikipedia article about it. Also nominating the related TV Guide's List of the 50 Worst TV Shows of All Time. Saikokira 00:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment I had a good idea? I guess even a blind pig can find a truffle every now and then. Pharmboy 01:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The second article seems to be added

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    Oleg Kashin[edit]

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    The result was Speedy Keep - Cyborg Ninja 04:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    Does not seem to satisfy WP:Notability Biophys 00:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was speedy delete Orderinchaos 01:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Big Brother Australia 2008[edit]

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    Future event richi 00:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 10:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Will Saulsbery[edit]

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    Also included:

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    Doesn't seem to be a notable musician, most GHits are for MySpace. Almost reads as if it were copied from someplace. Ten Pound Hammer(((Broken clamshellsOtter chirps))) 00:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete both. Sr13 02:52, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    List of American soap operas aired in the United Kingdom[edit]

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    Indiscriminate information, no better than a List of American police dramas aired in the United Kingdom, or a List of American cartoons aired in Italy. Or even List of Australian soap operas aired in the United Kingdom, which is also nominated for deletion here. Saikokira 23:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Speedy Delete. --Fang Aili talk 01:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Www.dogstarfoundation.com[edit]

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    Duplicate pages on a non-notable foundation that fails WP:RS, WP:V, reads as possible you-know-what (and possible copyvio too). Author declined G11 speedy on Dogstar foundation, so I'm taking both pages to AfD. Ten Pound Hammer(((Broken clamshellsOtter chirps))) 00:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was speedy redirect to Archangel per Grutness and CaveatLector. Band is non-notable but this is a common misspelling. Daniel Case 04:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Arcangel[edit]

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    Non-notable reggaeton artist. Only "reference" is their Myspace page, so it fails WP:V. Does not meet WP:MUSIC, as the article's label is not notable and he has no awards or known media coverage. Article is full of peacock terms with no references to back up the articles claims of fame. I say delete. -- Boricuaeddie 00:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 10:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Dash Signature[edit]

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    Was originally speedily deleted per CSD A7, overturned to relist per DRV This is a procedural nomination. I'm neutral. IronGargoyle 03:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    edit conflict happened has something been unintentionally deleted?

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    The result was redirect to Lilya 4-ever. MastCell Talk 21:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Dangoule Rasalaite[edit]

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    Article seems to be mostly OR. One reference to a Swedish newspaper is provided but... the article is in Swedish. Doesn't seen to be enough to establish notability. The Parsnip! 02:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
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    The result was Delete. ELIMINATORJR TALK 13:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Hippie punk[edit]

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    no sources, only one scant link to UD Will (talk) 06:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was No consensus for deletion in this debate/discussion.. Navou banter 02:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Jake Ryan[edit]

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    Only one source - we need multiple sources. Most of the article is trivia. Will (talk) 07:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Shimeron[edit]

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    neologism, only one "source" to a unreliable site Will (talk) 07:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Delete unreferenced slang. IrishGuy talk 22:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Shambag[edit]

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    The article purports to describe a stereotype, the name of which is a slang word. Searching for sources I find none at all that document any such type of person, let alone that can be used to confirm any of the contents of the article (such as the clothing preferences of this type of person). This article is documentation, being constructed firsthand directly by Wikipedia editors, for something for which there is no prior documentation outside of Wikipedia; it is original research, which is forbidden here. There's no evidence that this is even an alternative name for the stereotypes that are documented, such as chav, so no support even for a redirect. Uncle G 18:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was merge. —Kurykh 23:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Boofing[edit]

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    neologism Will (talk) 07:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Redirected to Electra complex. Redirects are cheap. ELIMINATORJR TALK 13:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Daddy issues[edit]

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    orphaned for twelve months and unsourced for eleven (UD doesn't count). This should redirect, but I know not where. Will (talk) 07:10, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. —Kurykh 22:18, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Fashioncore[edit]

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    only sources are a wiki and Urban Dictionary, neologism, and the second paragraph (concerning several emo/"post-hardcore" bands) is very shaky per BLP Will (talk) 07:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was No Consensus. CitiCat 17:52, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Janner[edit]

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    neologism - only sources UD Will (talk) 07:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup 19:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Newsbabe[edit]

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    a journalist got called it? Big deal. No sources. Will (talk) 07:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Withdrawn - reasonably sourced now. Will (talk) 13:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Reflectoporn[edit]

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    Disregarding the UD ref, we have one source, which makes the subject an nonnotable neologism Will (talk) 07:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was speedy delete per valid CSD A5 and limited but unanimous consensus to delete. Nihiltres(t.l) 13:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Snap inhale[edit]

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    neologism Will (talk) 07:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    It's been transwikied, and I've nominated it for speedy deletion. Moonriddengirl 12:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Withdrawn - got mixed up. No objections. Will (talk) 09:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    White anting[edit]

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    nn neologism Will (talk) 07:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Leave a redirect to wiktionary. Wikipedia is not a dictionary and no sound argument has been provided regarding that concern.. Pascal.Tesson 04:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Yak shaving[edit]

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    no reliable sources apart from its origin and a very shaky notability - its claim is unsourced, and only a few blogs have picked up on the term. Will (talk) 07:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Withdrawn - a merge seems the best way to solve this. Will (talk) 18:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    North American monetary union[edit]

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    cites no sources, OR, possible POV piece. Cites few sources and reads like OR. Will (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Weak Delete. A google search on "North American Union" reveals what seem to be dubious hits with the exception of this one: Urban legend of "North American Union" feeds on fears. If it is to be kept, it needs a complete rewrite, since it's presented very straightforwardly. Moonriddengirl 16:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Speedy Keep, but to a previous version - This is NOT the way to handle a single, disruptive user who keeps reverting the changes of others over the course of one day. The origianl article needed a lot of work, but is was basically NPOV. A comparision of the primary docuement with the above piece on the NAU reaveals a huge difference - the primary source deals with the actual pos and cons of a monetary union of North America along the lines of the Euro, and did not get into the urban legends at all. Please, this AFD should be speedied as Keep, and the disruptive user dealt with individually. However, if the article s allowed to stand as it is as basically a conspiracy piece, then it should be deleted, as such materail has no place on Wikipedia. - BillCJ 17:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 12:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Consciousness Revolution[edit]

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    unverified material, based primarily on one popular book. The whole "US Generations" project is just atrocious! This is but one example Dylanfly 16:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 12:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Gilded Generation[edit]

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    One of many pages dedicated to a single popular book, by Strauss and Howe; serves mostly to promote their consulting business. Not used at all by academics. Deserves one article, not 30. Moreover, very confusing, given widespread use of US Gilded Age, with entirely different dates. Truly below Wikipedia's standards. Dylanfly 16:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't know if I'm allowed to chime in on my own nomination, but a MERGE could work, as far as I'm concerned. I just think its preposterous to have the Strauss and Howe stuff encompass 30 of its own wikipedia articles. I nominated Republican Generation for delete, but it was kept. That and this and a dozen others could be piled onto ONE page for Strauss and Howe's cheesy work. --Dylanfly 13:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was KeepCaknuck 01:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Republican Generation[edit]

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    ibid. Strauss and Howe's stuff; not only unsubstantiated, amateur, and uncited, but also a preposterous view of American history, in which only WHITES (and primarily MEN) are considered. Generally based on ELITE cultures too. Ignores diversity, and perpetuates a very biased view of US History. Dylanfly 16:38, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. Does not appear maintainable nor even remotely holistic; overlap seems arbitrary. El_C 20:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    List of LGBT-related topics[edit]

    List of LGBT-related topics (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)

    This list is of no use. One, it is impossible to update - WP:LGBT have over 7000 articles, a tiny fraction of which is represented here. It is were fully filled up it would be too large and unwiedly to navigate. Two, the list is arranged alphabetically andnot by category and thus does not help any user looking for something. Three, mere article titles are not helpful, as many are ambiguous. No-one's working on this, and we have a category system if you're looking for something in particular. Let's delete it and write some more useful and interesting lists. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.